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The theology of Jeremiah 8:8

a verse to consider

“For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.” (Hebrews 4:2)
Jeremiah 8:8 still says what it says though, and all such implications ripple through history.
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The Spirit, Our Helper

“Likewise the Spirit helps us in our weakness. For we do not know what to pray for as we ought, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words. And he who searches hearts knows what is the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for the saints according to the will of God. And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good, for those who are called according to his purpose. For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. And those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and those whom he justified he also glorified.” (Romans 8:26-30 ESV)

This was Paul speaking, and the lesson that he was teaching, under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, is that those who are in Christ Jesus are those who have died with Christ to sin and who are now walking in obedience to his commands in holy living. They are those who are no longer walking (in conduct) according to the flesh, but who are walking (in practice) according to the Spirit in righteousness, in truth, in the forsaking of their sins, and in living holy lives pleasing to the Lord Jesus, in his power and strength.

So, when this says that the Spirit helps “us” in our weakness, it is speaking of the “us” as described in Romans 8:1-25, which I have described, in summary, in the paragraph above this one. This does not apply to everyone who says that they know God and that they are in fellowship with Jesus Christ and that Jesus has now saved them from their sins, and now they have the promise of eternal life with God. For if sin is what we practice, and not obedience to our Lord, we don’t have salvation nor eternal life.

Some people, nonetheless, who profess the name of Jesus, but who are still deliberately and habitually sinning against the Lord, and for whom obedience to God and to his commandments is not their practice, are taking this out of context, and they are claiming that the Lord is helping them while they are still living in opposition to his plan and his purpose for our lives. So many of them are believing that they can keep on living in sin, and not in walks of obedience, but that they will still be saved and on their way to heaven.

But that does not fit with the whole of the context of Romans 8 nor the whole of the book of Romans, nor with the whole of the New Testament teachings under the New Covenant. In context, this is speaking to those whose lives are surrendered to the Lord to forsaking their sins and to following him in obedience. That does not make us perfect, but lack of perfection is no excuse for continued, willful, deliberate, habitual, and defiant disobedience to God in continuing in deliberate sin against Him.

Now, does the Spirit help us to resist the enemy of our souls? Yes! Does he help us to say “NO!” to sin and “YES!” to God and to his commands? Yes, He does, if we are yielded to his control, and if we are willing and obedient, and if we are not stubborn and strongminded with a “My Do It” childish approach to how to live life on this earth. We have to humble ourselves before the Lord, willing to have him change us and rearrange us to suit his purposes, and for his glory, if we are going to be helped by the Spirit in our weakness.

But, sometimes when we are weak and tired, we may not even be able to think well, and so we need the help of the Holy Spirit to intercede for us to God the Father, according to the will of God, and not according to the will of human flesh. And we need help in discerning the will of God and in knowing what to do next, or what direction to go next, especially in areas that are not spelled out for us in Scripture, such as where we are to live, or what job we should take next, or to whom we should give money to help them, etc.

Now there is a promise to us here which is for us who love God. And to love God is to obey him. If obedience to our Lord is not what we practice, then we are not those who love God. But for us who love and obey the Lord, in practice, God will work all things together for good, for us who are called of God according to his purpose, who are living out that purpose. But “good” is defined by God, and not by us, so “good” may include suffering for the sake of our faith, for the sake of the gospel, and for the sake of righteousness.

For all who are of God, who are called of God according to his purpose, which requires that we die to sin and now live for God in walks of obedience to his commands, he predestined to be conformed to the image (likeness of character) of his Son Jesus Christ. And this is what it means to be holy, to be different from the world because we are being conformed by God to the likeness of Jesus Christ. For Jesus shed his blood for us to redeem us out of our lives of slavery to sin so we will now serve Jesus Christ with our lives.

[Matthew 7:13-14,21-23; Luke 9:23-26; John 1:12-13; John 6:44; John 10:27-30; Acts 26:18; Romans 2:6-8; Romans 6:1-23; Romans 8:1-14; Romans 12:1-2; 1 Corinthians 10:1-22; Galatians 5:16-21; Ephesians 2:8-10; Ephesians 4:17-32; Ephesians 5:3-6; Titus 2:11-14; Hebrews 3:1-19; Hebrews 4:1-13; 1 Peter 2:24; 1 John 1:5-10; 1 John 2:3-6; 1 John 3:4-10]

Total Praise / Richard Smallwood

Lord, I will lift mine eyes to the hills
Knowing my help is coming from You
Your peace You give me in times; of the storm
You are the source of my strength
You are the strength of my life
I lift my hands in total praise to You.

You are the source of my strength
You are the strength of my life
I lift my hands in total praise to You.

Amen, amen
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Amen, amen
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An Original Work / February 17, 2025
Christ’s Free Servant, Sue J Love

Collapsing Angels and Echoes from Eden

"Paul gives requirements for women in 1 Timothy 3:11 but then says “let deacons be the husbands of one wife” in verse 12. Since women are included, the statement is masculine yet gender-inclusive, not gender-exclusive or male-exclusive. Paul wouldn’t leave requirements for women deacons in 1 Timothy 3:11 but then dismiss them with the masculine language of 1 Timothy 3:12. So, women reading “husbands of one wife” have no need to feel as if they’re abandoned in verse 12."

“Husband of One Wife”: Paul’s gender inclusiveness in 1 Timothy 3

You previously shared a feminist pride promoting article on 1 Timothy 2:12-15 , and now you are sharing another on 1 Timothy 3:1-7 and 1 Timothy 3:8-12.

Of course, we have Titus 1:5-9, Philippians 1:1-12, and 1 Corinthians 14:31-38 that still need to bow before feminist pride. And spare not 1 Corinthians 11:1-16, Titus 2:2-5, Ephesians 5:22-33, Colossians 3:18-21, 1 Peter 3: 1-6, nor Matthew 19:4-6.

Gay pride loves how feminist pride makes alternative interpretations. Both are strange fire (Leviticus 10:1-2).

As I wrote in my original post, I am interested in feedback from those that hold to the more traditional interpretations of the scriptures, but not the alternative progressive views. What I write about emanates from the orthodox or traditional position and is antithetical to progressive views. Paul’s spiritual meat is made into a sour milkshake by both articles and all the ones like them, as they split apart what should be comprehended holistically. I do not follow these modern alternative interpretations that have been forged in fires that burn like Sodom and Gomorrah.

And you are an ACNA member so I quote the 39 Articles of Faith: "The Church hath power to decree Rites or Ceremonies, and authority in Controversies of Faith: And yet it is not lawful for the Church to ordain any thing that is contrary to God's Word written, neither may it so expound one place of Scripture, that it be repugnant to another. Wherefore, although the Church be a witness and a keeper of holy Writ, yet, as it ought not to decree any thing against the same, so besides the same ought it not to enforce any thing to be believed for necessity of Salvation."
Yes, that is what the alternative gay and feminist pride views do. Unfortunately, all denominations, certainly mine, have been touched by this vile scourge but I have great hope that it will not be a thorn of the flesh that remains in His Bride much longer.

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Thank you for admitting that you are deliberately misrepresenting the positions.

My post #63 does not ask a question, here it is: "Egalitarianism is not "feminist pride", you keep using this expression I have never seen anywhere else. It reads like you are totally trying to present feminism, gay, egalitarian Christianity, transgender, transexual, and the ordination of women like these entirely different thing are all the same."
It’s a fact. All those positions are different expressions of pride. Read #69 again.
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And To His Love Clinging

We suffer in silence, on God our reliance,
And not in defiance, with Him an alliance.
We live in compliance, while under His guidance,
While facing our giants with all He supplies us.

Our lives not in danger, for He is no stranger,
A life rearranger, He is our life changer.
From sin, our exchanger to life with our trainer,
His grace, our restrainer, so we can live saner.

We have not to worry, or be in a hurry,
Or up in a flurry, if our eyes are blurry.
He is our attorney, we’re now on His journey,
Let nothing deter me, may I now live worthy.

So pattern His thinking, not leave your eyes blinking,
From His cup be drinking, so you’ll not be sinking.
In life, don’t be swinging, but lift your voice singing,
And hear His bells ringing, and to His love clinging.

An Original Work / February 17, 2025
Christ’s Free Servant, Sue J Love

Get over it. No love

I share my burdens and people tell me to get over it, or they don't seem interested in sharing my burdens. They act like my suffering is no big deal, and there suffering is worse.

But does that fulfill the law of Christ? I would like to see them go to the prayer forum and tell people to get over it. They have no love

Donald Trump disallows displaying Confederate flags

Indeed. One gets a pardon, the other gets an executive order ban.
A soldier in uniform or a federal worker on a government facility carrying any flag other than the three permitted is also under the executive order ban.

I'm okay with that.
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DOGE trims 900,000,000

It's amazing - for close to 35 years the Democrats and Republicans have bloviated about eliminating waste and excess spending - President Trump is the only one with enough back bone to do more that talk about it. And people are complaining about him doing what former presidents said needed to get done. Incredible!
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When Thomas said, "My Lord and my God", did he address both the Son and the Father?

J 20:


Jesus appeared in their midst supernaturally.


Thomas reacted to Jesus' appearance with awe. Was he addressing two individuals?

No, he responded to Jesus singularly. He called Jesus his Lord and his God as a single person.

Was he addressing his God who was working inside his Lord Jesus?

I don't think so. Thomas's statement does not explicitly separate "Lord" and "God" as two distinct entities. Instead, he uses both titles together to address Jesus directly. Jesus is not merely a vessel through whom God works but is himself God in the flesh. Thomas had finally understood what Jesus said a while back in J 14:


Thomas affirmed the unity of the Son and the Father.
There is a common use of "and" in Greek, even in English, which could be understood to mean, "even".
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Trans migrant finding sanctuary in NYC accused of raping 14-year-old

There is no excuse for committing a crime, especially rape. I don't think that highlighting every immigrant crime is worthwhile though because studies show that that immigrants legal and illegal commit less crimes per person than citizens. So if you ship out all immigrants, the crime rate per person will go up, not down. It seems racist and scapegoating to out every immigrant offense when the U.S. citizens are the most criminal group. Immigrants are significantly less likely to commit crimes than the U.S.-born
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Trump ends policy of treating churches as ‘sensitive locations’ for immigration raids

The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) under President Donald Trump this week rescinded Biden-era guidelines that previously required Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agents to seek their superior’s approval before arresting people at or near “sensitive locations” such as churches, hospitals, or schools.

The “sensitive locations” policy began in 2011 with a memo from then-ICE director John Morton. It precluded ICE agents from carrying out immigration enforcement actions in locations like hospitals, places of worship, schools, or during events such as weddings or parades unless there is an urgent need, such as a person who poses an imminent threat or if the agents have sought higher approval to do so.

The Biden administration later issued anexpanded definition of “sensitive locations,” which added places like playgrounds, homeless shelters, emergency response centers, and domestic violence shelters.

The order was signed by Acting Homeland Security Secretary Benjamine Huffman, who is serving as head of the agency pending the confirmation of South Dakota Gov. Kristi Noem.

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Trump's war on Christianity.
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Lakewood Church shooting to be reviewed by grand jury as status of boy shot in head remains unclear

The investigation of a shooting at Lakewood Church last year ahead of a Sunday worship service involving a mother who opened fire inside the megachurch while she was with her 7-year-old son before being killed by off-duty officers will be reviewed by a grand jury.

Courtney Fischer, a Houston District Attorney's Office spokesperson, told Houston Public Media Thursday that the case will be presented to a grand jury on an undisclosed date.

"Grand juries meet every so often," Fischer said. "We never publicize exactly what cases go when. We don't want it to taint a grand jury pool."

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‘Look At Me!’: Drag Queens Hijack City Council Meeting Demanding Town Become Trans Sanctuary

Lesbian pastor blasphemes Jesus as 'drag queen,' trans activists issue threats at city council meeting​


Among those who spoke out in favor of the resolution was Julie Payne-Britton, a pastor at the Hadwen Park Congregational Church, which is affiliated with the progressive United Church of Christ. Payne-Britton, who identifies as a disabled, cisgender lesbian, sported a clerical collar as she told council members that if Jesus were at the meeting, He would be “dressed in full drag.”

“The Jesus I know would be dressed in full drag and serving face, or handsome as a trans man, or wrapped in the garb of a non-binary person who knows one gender is way too small to capture their gloriousness,” Payne-Britton claimed. “The Jesus I know would be at this mic with a trembling voice and a shaking body and tears that will not be held back crying, ‘make this city safe for my child.’”


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Is logic part of creation?

Is logic part of creation?
The word "logic" means "of words". The words of God are good, and He is the only one, who is good. When everyone walking around Jesus tried to use so-called "logical reasoning", He delivered very differently than they.

So. Enough freedom to use words in ways that are not good, is part of Creation.
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Church petitions National Lottery Heritage Fund to save rare 500-year-old wall paintings

A church in North Yorkshire is planning a bid to the National Lottery Heritage Fund in an effort to preserve incredibly rare wall paintings dating back over 500 years.

St Peter and St Paul's church in Pickering features wall paintings which depict the passion of Jesus Christ and scenes from the lives of the saints.

It is believed they were first painted around 1470. They are believed to be one of only five surviving examples of medieval church wall painting in England.

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Sexlessness’ is on the rise. Can the Church use this moment to promote marriage?

Increasing numbers of young adults in the United States are reporting a lack of sexual activity — dubbed “sexlessness” — a trend experts say presents “a huge opportunity for evangelization” for advocates of marriage.

The most recent data from the National Survey of Family Growth, which has been periodically administered since 1973 by the National Center for Health Statistics, shows that, between 2013 and 2023, “all measures of sexlessness rose for both young adult males and females,” according to an analysis from the Institute for Family Studies (IFS).

For young adult males, “sexlessness has roughly doubled across all measures over the last 10 years or so,” while for young adult females, “it has risen by roughly 50%.”

Though the data could in theory be construed as encouraging, at least for those who oppose extramarital sex, IFS fellow Lyman Stone noted that one of the biggest drivers in the collapse of sex is “the decline in marriage.”

“Married people have more sex, and for most young adults, marriage is occurring later or not at all,” he wrote. “As a result, sex is declining.”

Society is ‘starved’ for real relationships​


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This is sad.

One reason sex is fun is to replicate the species. Modern culture has severed that link, but it is real. We can be sex-positive and baby-positive and marriage-positive like nobody else. It's what most of us, almost all of us, were made for.
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Is Addiction to Tech, the Enemy of Worship?

He could be talking a lot about what is possible with misuse of technology, instead of pointing to how God is able to have us using it well.

You might be able to use his reasoning to ban the use of money by churches > money can be addictive and distracting; therefore do not have or use money in church activities.

"But we can learn how to use money without abusing it."

We can learn how to use technology.

God is able to guide our attention . . . while we have technology, attractive women, and money present during worship.
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Why was Jesus upset with the Pharisees who were asking for a sign?

Mt 12:

38 Some of the Pharisees and teachers of the law said to him, “Teacher, we want to see a sign from you.”
They demanded a miracle.

39 He answered, “A wicked and adulterous generation asks for a sign! But none will be given it except the sign of the prophet Jonah.
They had already witnessed numerous signs and miracles performed by Jesus, such as healing the sick and casting out demons (Mt 8:16). Despite this, they demanded yet another sign, revealing their hardened hearts and refusal to believe.

They had ulterior motives. Mk 8:

11 The Pharisees came and began to question Jesus. To test him, they asked him for a sign from heaven. 12 He sighed deeply and said, “Why does this generation ask for a sign? Truly I tell you, no sign will be given to it.”
He warned them against seeking signs for the wrong reasons and a call to genuine faith and repentance. Faith does not rely on constant miraculous proofs but trusts in God's word and his promises. J 20:

29 Jesus said to [Thomas], “Because you have seen Me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”
That's true faith.

Why was Jesus upset with the Pharisees who were asking for a sign?

Jesus was upset with the Pharisees because their request for a sign was not a sincere inquiry but a manipulative attempt to undermine him. It revealed their lack of faith, their hypocrisy, and their hardened hearts. Jesus' refusal to grant their request served as a testament to their spiritual condition and their rejection of the truth.

Jury foreman in CNN defamation trial speaks out, says network’s staff did more harm than good on witness stand

CNN settled on punitive damages after the jury found Navy veteran Zachary Young was defamed​


The foreman of the jury that found that CNN committed defamation against U.S. Navy veteran Zachary Young doesn’t believe the network did itself any favors during the high-stakes trial.

"I think it may change the way a lot of people look at CNN and maybe not take their news 100% to be correct," Katy Svitenko told Fox News Digital in her first interview.

Last month, Svitenko and five other jurors sided with Young, who had accused CNN of defaming him in a November 2021 report led by correspondent Alex Marquardt. The report implied Young illegally profited when helping people evacuate Afghanistan on the "black market" during the Biden administration's military withdrawal from the Taliban-run country that year.

After the jury reached its defamation verdict and ruled Young could seek punitive damages, Young and CNN reached a settlement.

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