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when God says NO! (a look at Torah Portion "V'et"Chanan" (and I pleaded)

DEUT 3:23-7:11 "V'et'Chanan" (and I pleaded)

Moshe continues to retell the experiences of his life to “Am Israel” as the end of his life is nearing. He is like a father on his deathbed, and causes all of his children to come near and listen to their father’s experiences, or rather “all” of their experiences

“V’et ‘Chanan l’Adonai” begins Moshe, “I pleaded to YHVH…” on the account of entering into the promised land. As we remember, Moshe, in anger and had struck the “Rock” (Selah), and yet water still came forth because of the mercy of Adonai; now Moshe pleads for mercy; the word “chanun” is a form of the Hebrew “mercy”. One Israeli singer has a song which is: “Avi Chanun” (My merciful father). So, Moshe in a way is saying, “I plead for mercy to Adonai; let me see the promised land.

Yet the answer of Adonai was still “No” (Speak no more of this matter). We are all destined an “x” amount of years on this earth; who knows if, through actions we do, might “speed up” that time, or even “prolong” the time.

We should take advantage of the years that God is giving to us here on earth and make the best of them. If He has called us into ministry, let us perform that which He has called us to do to the best of our ability, using our Spiritual Gifts up to our final days (if we know when they are).

Moshe did not ask for more years of life, only that he would be permitted to enter the promised land of Canaan. The request was denied; God said, "Rav Lakh" (it is too much for you). Yet was he allowed into the land of Canaan? Yes, it was a delayed entry. 1500 years later, he was with Yeshua and with Eliyahu on the Mt. of Transfiguration. Right there is the WHOLE TORAH. The Pentateuch, The Prophets, and the New Covenant.

In this Parashah, we see the review of the Ten Commandments. Why is Moshe repeating and reviewing the Ten Commandments? We need to remember that in Exodus 20, those that we at Mt. Sinai were part of the first generation that left Egypt. Now there is the second generation, many of whom were not even born then, and those who were were 19 years old or younger. This generation needs to hear the commandments. The first generation is dead and buried.

(4) “Now, therefore, harken O Israel, unto the statutes and unto the judgments which I teach you, for to do them.” Moshe was the teacher, taking all that God charged him to teach, and not “adding to” nor “diminishing” anything, teaching all the details, the “fine print” to say. Teachers of God’s Word have a unique calling: it is their life, their passion, and they will not rest until they accomplish what they set out to do.

I AM the LORD thy God: “Anochi Adonai Eloheicha.” He is emphasizing “I AM” (I MYSELF AM) “Anochi,” a very important statement, telling his people that it was HE who brought them out of Egypt, and out of slavery. Two very important things, therefore: He has every right to be their God, and He has every right to be OUR God, since He has taken us out of the “World of Sin” (Egypt) and out from “Spiritual slavery”

“THOU shalt not have any other gods before me.” Since pagan worship was the norm of Egypt, worshiping and bowing down to false “elohim,” this was a reminder to Israel that YHVH is different; He is NOT like the false deities of Egypt; He is UNIQUE (Yachid) and He is ONE (Echad). But when people over-emphasize jobs and work, making money, sports, etc.… making them more important than our worship and attention towards Adonai, those “things” become “other gods.” Yes, Adonai is a “Jealous” and “Zealous” God! (El Kanah) and has every right to be so.

“THOU SHALT NOT take the name of YHVH thy God in vain.” What is that? It is using our LORD’s holy name in unholy ways, in unholy conversations, making promises using God’s name, like “I swear to God that I’ll…” and then not fulfilling those promises. We should use HIS HOLY NAME in worship and praise only.

“KEEP (guard) the Sabbath Day to keep it Holy.” Where are we on the sabbath day? We should be in God’s House to worship, praise, and learn from his word through teachers of the Word. It is a time of rest, a time for family to get together and worship the LORD, even for the housewives to turn off the ovens and husbands to take them out to eat, or just whip up some sandwiches.

Enjoy the Sabbath day; it is the LORD’s to rejoice and relax in. The Sabbath day has always been Saturday; it was never changed to Sunday (this will probably create some comments). But EVERY day of the week is a time to study God’s Word and praise Him for all of his blessings.

“HONOR Thy Father and Thy Mother.” This goes without explanation. I think it is common sense for children to honor and obey their parents, for they are the ones who raise them up. Yet the Fathers and Mothers have a GREAT responsibility to raise them in the knowledge of God and his word. If not, then, they will be responsible for possible “rebels” later on in life.

“THOU shalt not kill; THOU shalt not commit adultery; THOU shalt not steal”. Ever wonder why these are listed together? For example, if one commits adultery, takes the wife of another in sex, that person is “killing” that relationship and is “stealing” what does not belong to him. The word “Kill” means “murder,” taking an innocent life; it does NOT refer to self-defense or soldiers fighting in a war. There are many ways of “stealing.” Some rabbis say that “all sins” are a form of “stealing,” not just taking money; coming back late from lunch break is “stealing” time from your employer, telling a lie is “stealing” the confidence one might have had in you, and it is “murdering” that trust.

“THOU shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.” Being truthful to someone is very important, and not telling the whole truth is, in fact, telling a lie, and being false to someone close to you; again, it is “stealing trust” and “murdering a relationship” through being “false”.

‘THOU shalt not covet. ' If Adonai wants you to have what your neighbor has, He will give it to you. We should be content with the much or the little we have; anyway, when we die, ALL will be left behind. So, no need to covet; it just brings about headaches.

(6) This chapter has the “Shema,” one of the most important verses in the Torah; “Shema Israel, YHVH Eloheinu, YHVH Echad” “Shema” (Listen to and heed/do/obey). Israel started as 12 tribes, sons of Jacob; then those Egyptians who chose to follow Moshe out of Egypt were grafted in. Adonai did not reject them just because they were Egyptians; they also became part of the nation through “adoption”.

In the beginning, America consisted of only the indigenous tribes that came from Asia during the Ice Age, but later, European peoples came as immigrants and settlers. When it became a nation in 1776, the United States of America consisted of ALL peoples who were living in the land. The 12 tribes of Israel became a great “Adat” (congregation, community) now consisting of all believers in Yeshua.

We have been adopted into HIS Chosen family through Yeshua HaMashiach; it pertains to ALL believers. Adonai is OUR GOD, since we are FAMILY, and He is ONE in Unity (Father, Son, Spirit “Echad”). The word for “Adonai Eloheinu” consists of the most sacred letters YHVH; in ancient Hebrew, those letters symbolize “Behold the hand, Behold the nail”. So, if we looked at the words “YHVH Eloheinu” from an ancient Hebraic position, we could read: “Behold the hand, Behold the nail, who is God that instructs (us) and leads us to (eternal) life through the nail that (penetrated) the hand.” I guess that is one way one could look at it.

The word “Elohim” has three meanings; One is the Tri-unity of G-d, yet if we spell it “elohim” with a small “e” in English, then it means “gods” in plural (usually false gods) yet it also means “ambassadors” or “representatives” of “Adonai-Elohim” Remember that Yeshua, when He addressed the Prushim (Pharisees) said, “No ye not that ye are gods?” (John 10:34; Psalm 82:6)

“You shall love…” (vs 5) Yes, with all of our heart, soul, mind, and strength. This includes “teaching” His word to our children, at all times, to others who have the ears and willingness to listen

Be the person in our house, be the person “walking with us on the “way” at bedtime and at morning time; the time for God’s Word and teaching it is at ALL TIMES, provided, of course, that the other person wishes to hear it. God’s Word is to be shared and taught, NEVER to be forced upon another!

Binding upon the hands and frontlets between our eyes, using Tefillin, is symbolic in that God’s Word is to be in our minds and put into action using our hands, in performing mitzvoth (good works)

Writing them and putting God’s Word on our doorposts and gates using “mezuzot” is symbolic to let people know that “living here is a family who honors God and His Word”

Moshe reminds the people again and again to “Keep the commandments of the LORD thy God and his testimonies and statutes” in many verses. Just keep in mind that “keeping the commandments does not “save a soul.” Salvation comes only from accepting Yeshua (Jesus) as LORD and Savior, that and that ONLY saves a person from eternal condemnation. Obedience to the commandments comes “after” as a sign that we are now part of HIS family, and we now have new desires to follow HIM in HIS ways. There is “Yeshuah Kadosh” (Righteous Salvation) and “Mitzvoth Kadoshim” (righteous works); both are separate, yet both go together. The latter is a result of the first.

All in all, what can we take away from this study? Loving God with all of our heart, soul, mind, and strength shows when we love our neighbor as ourselves; obeying and following God's Word should be our goal for godly living. Yeshua said it himself: "If you love me, obey my commandments"
(John 14:15).

(I will probably modify this post for non-messianic subforms). Always feel free to comment, but keep the comments positive. We are here to build each other up and encourage each other, not discourage.

Shavua Tov

Adventist view on Hell/Hades the Lake of Fire

We see 2 Peter 2:4 in Young's Literal Translation
4 For if God messengers who sinned did not spare, but with chains of thick gloom, having cast [them] down to Tartarus, did deliver [them] to judgment, having been reserved,

Now a question that poses itself is whether the evil angels feared to be sent there to this place of darkness 'thick gloom' to such a degree that they thus asked to be sent into the swine on the hill..

Matthew 8:31-32
So the devils besought him, saying, If thou cast us out, suffer us to go away into the herd of swine.
And he said unto them, Go. And when they were come out, they went into the herd of swine: and, behold, the whole herd of swine ran violently down a steep place into the sea, and perished in the waters.

Mark 5:12-13
And all the devils besought him, saying, Send us into the swine, that we may enter into them.
And forthwith Jesus gave them leave. And the unclean spirits went out, and entered into the swine: and the herd ran violently down a steep place into the sea, (they were about two thousand and were choked in the sea.
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Is there any hope for humanity?

there is Always hope and there is Always Jesus i put my trust in him , i use to let things in the news upset me i dont trust this new PM he is an snake oil salesman i dont trust him but i have the lord and he is always with me my hope is the lord our God , and we can put our anxieties and life in Jesus' hands all you have to do is pray and believe in him
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One of the most confusing quotes of Jesus, IMO

Part of doing good is to trust in Christ for salvation.

Then, since we want to please God, we submit to Him so He has us doing the good that He desires.

And so, 0ne thing Jesus means by the scripture is that we trust God to take care of us so we do what is good. And we do not doubt how God is so able to have us living well >

“casting all your care upon Him, for He cares for you.” (1 Peter 5:7)

We do not each live in isolation, then, worrying about our own selves, but we share as family to bless and to help one another > this is included in doing good.

It is not only about good or bad works, then, but how we do the good of trusting and depending on God and sharing with one another as family. This is good to do.

Yes, “Accept Jesus’ free gift.” And included in the package deal of salvation is how we are guaranteed God’s correction > Hebrews 12:4-14 < so we are changed in our character to share with God in His holiness . . . in His love’s “peaceable fruit of righteousness”. This is guaranteed to every person who has trusted in Jesus.

So . . . trust Him for this. And do not only trust some ideas, but submit to God in order for Him to change us so we are His way . . . so that we are doing all that ***He*** means by doing good . . . not merely what we might boast about, or worry is not enough.

And you might read and feed on Galatians 6:7-8 . . . about how we will reap what we have sown. We are becoming how we will be for eternity. How we become . . . this is how we will be reaped to become so much more strongly > in the corruption of a self-seeking personality, or in the likeness of Jesus.

“For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren.” (Romans 8:29)

So - - - salvation, and what works we do, is a matter of what is possible with God. We trust God to have us succeeding with Him and to guide us.
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Adventists: Should Andrews University be Renamed?

While we wait for more folks to weigh in on whether the university should be renamed, here is a bronze statue of J. N. Andrews in front of the church where graduations are held:

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US walks out of UN Security Council meeting as France condemns US voting alongside Russia and N. Korea against extending UN human rights chief's term

What makes you say that? He has made very clear statements about Hamas and Israel. I don't know that he's said much about 'the Jews' or 'the Muslims' other than both face unjust discrimination.

AI Overview (Google "volker turk on hamas")

United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights Volker Türk has repeatedly condemned the October 7, 2023, attacks led by Hamas as heinous, brutal, and constituting war crimes, while also criticizing violations committed by Israeli forces. He has consistently called for accountability, the immediate release of all hostages, and an end to the conflict

War Crimes and October 7: Türk stated clearly that the atrocities, killings, and the taking of hostages by Hamas and other Palestinian armed groups on October 7 violated international law and amounted to war crimes

Calls for Investigation: Türk urged independent, thorough investigations into credible allegations of sexual violence and other grave human rights abuses perpetrated during the October 7 attacks.

AI Overview (Google "volker turk on jews")

United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights Volker Türk strongly condemns antisemitism, calling it an assault on collective humanity and warning that hatred against Jewish communities has grown rampantly. At the same time, he maintains that criticism of Israeli government policies is distinct from antisemitism, though he cautions against holding all Jewish people responsible for state actions

Stance on Antisemitism
    • Zero Tolerance: Türk has urged a zero-tolerance approach from online platforms, political leaders, and the global community to eliminate rising antisemitic rhetoric, threats, and physical attacks. [1, 2]
    • Holocaust Remembrance: Marking Holocaust commemorations, he frequently emphasizes the lessons of the Nazi genocide, stating that society has a daily duty to stand up against dehumanization and bigotry

    AI Overview (Google "volker turk on muslims")



    UN High Commissioner for Human Rights Volker Türk strongly defends the rights of Muslims, consistently condemning global Islamophobia, hate speech, and discrimination while honoring Muslim contributions to society. [1, 2, 3]

    Stance on Islamophobia and Discrimination
      • Sounding the Alarm: Türk frequently warns about surging anti-Muslim harassment, violence, and discrimination worldwide

Turk could be more impartial and fair than I'm giving him credit for... After all, the US only voted against him. It's actually France that's throwing the hissy fit here, because they disagree with a vote of all things.
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Why Christ is called "Immanuel" and Satan is called "Lucifer" in the Bible

Because of the Roman Catholic Church dismissing the books called Scripture, by our ancient Christian and Jewish "fathers" of the faith; in particular, the Book of Enoch, in which the foundations of all biblical doctrine are laid plainly out, and not re-laid, because once laid, no need to re-lay them.
Josephus reminds us that those Greek inter-testament books were never included in the Hebrew Bible.
Our 39 books of the OT are the same as the Hebrew Bible of Christ's day kept in the temple and unchanged since Malachi.

The "books" of Enoch from around the 2nd century were not written by the actual Biblical Enoch living before the flood. They have multiple authors and claim that non-corporeal spirit beings mated with woman who then gave birth to 450 foot tall offspring along with a lot of other myths. The fact that they manage to preserve some fragments of legitimate tradition is not disputed, only that the source had been mobbed by a lot of creative writing and did not come into existence until after the Babylonian captivity
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Chad to join raft of withdrawals from International Criminal Court - military juntas happy to answer the US call to avoid accountability

Birds of a feather flock together.

And I LOVE the folks that are flocking to the US. It's strange how the richest country can still be such a huge loser.
The USA has always been in favor of international cooperation (but only when that meant “be reasonable you other countries and see things the U.S.’s way!”).
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Idea For A Billboard Or Church Front Signage

I remember when I was younger, I also did not have much reverence for God because I didn’t fully understand the greatness, holiness, and majesty of God. The people around me, including many in the congregation and even leaders, often had the same casual attitude, so I didn’t realise there was a problem. It wasn’t until I began to truly understand the magnificence of the cross and the seriousness of our sin that my view of God changed. A deeper reverence for God grows as we come to know Him more.
So, we all need to keep praying that God would reveal more of Himself to us and give us a greater understanding of His holiness, love, and majesty.
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HERE IS PAUL''S TEACHING IN 1 TIM 6:4 !!

#1 HE IS PROUD. //. TYPHOO. in. the PERFECT TENSE in. the PASSIVE VOICE in. the INDICATIVE MOOD

#2 KNOWING // EPISTAMI. in. the PRESENT TENSE in. the PASSIVE VOICE in. the NOMINATIVE CASE

#3 NOTHING. // MEDEIS in. the ACCUSATIVE CASE in. the SINGULAR. in. the NEUTER. meaning either MALE. od FEMALE

#4 BUT. //. ALLA. is a CONJUNCTION

#5. DOTING. //. NOSEO. in. the PESENT TENSE in. the ACTIVE VOICE in the NOMINATIVE CASE in the SINGULAR

# 6 ABOUT // PEN is a PEPOSITION

#7 QUESTIONS. // ZEIESIS in the ACCUSATIVE CASE. in th PLURAL

#8 AND // KAI is a CONJUNCTION

#9 STRIFES OF WORDS in the ACCUSATIVE CASE

#10 WHERE OF // EK is a PREPOSITION

#11. COMETH // GINOMAI in. the PRESENT TENSE in the PASSIVE VOICE. in the INDICATIVE MOOD.

#12 ENVY. //. PHTHONO in the NOMIAITIVE CASE in the SINGULAR

#13 STRIFE // ERIS. in the NOMINATIVE CASE in the SINGULAR

#14 RAILING // BLAPHEMIA. in the NOMINATIVE CASE in the singular

#15 EVIL // SUMISINGS in th NOMINATIVE CASE in. the. PLURAL

#16. SUMISING // HYPONOIA. in th NOMINATIVE CASE in the PLURAL

#A And to RIGHLY DIVIDE THE WORD of TRUTH. as God had PAUL WITEB IN 2 Tim 2:15

#B IS TO IMITATE PAUL. as Paul wrote in 1 COR 11:1

#C. AND Paul is the APOSTLE to the GENTILES

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Trump BBB cuts exacerbate budget problems in red states; potential solutions include new taxes and cuts to childcare and disability services

Changes to SNAP and Medicaid requirements are also costing states millions. Many red states are funding technology and additional staffing to process new Medicaid work requirements and improve the accuracy of their SNAP payment system

A cancer diagnosis may not be enough: Trump and Democratic states clash in court over who’s too sick to work

Medicaid eligibility will soon hinge on how the government defines “medical frailty.”

The administration declared in an interim final rule released last month that a diagnosis, even for a disease as grave as cancer, isn’t enough to claim an exemption from the 80-hour requirement, unless beneficiaries submit additional proof that they physically can’t work. Democratic attorneys general from 25 states and Washington, D.C. plan to argue the rule is both too strict, in not offering blanket exemptions to people with certain diseases, and too vague, in failing to guide states on how to determine who is too sick to work — and will ask the judge to block the stricter medical frailty policy.

“This is one of those cases where it’s really hard to overstate how dire the consequences could be,” said North Carolina’s Democratic attorney general, Jeff Jackson, who has joined the lawsuit with other Democratic state officials challenging the policy. “You’re going to have 50 states doing 50 different things, and we’re all going to have to create a whole new bureaucracy. …You are talking about a lot more paperwork, more evaluations, more doctor visits, and a lot more work for doctors themselves.”

As states wait for the Trump administration to answer their questions on how to enforce the policy, doctors say they’re being inundated with questions they can’t answer from Medicaid patients who are scared of losing their insurance. They worry those queries will skyrocket next month when states are required to start reaching out to impacted beneficiaries to inform them about the incoming work requirements.

“They need to give us some very specific guidance,” said Barbara McAneny, an oncologist and CEO of an oncology practice in New Mexico who sees Medicaid patients. “If you have skin cancer are you medically fragile? And if you are a cancer survivor, you aren’t [in active treatment], but may have a disability from the treatment to cure you.”

“There is going to be a lot of denials and fighting back,” she said. “It’s an unfunded, administrative burden.”

As they wait to hear whether the district court in Boston will halt enforcement of the medical frailty provision of the law, doctors and health officials around the country are closely watching Nebraska — which opted to start enforcing the rules in May and will begin dropping people from Medicaid at the end of July if they fail to prove compliance — for signs of the challenges they are likely to encounter next year.

Health care workers and patient advocates say the state’s rollout has been marked by mass confusion and a lack of transparency. State health officials, who previously held monthly meetings with patient and provider groups, have canceled all scheduled sessions since the May start date.
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Buckled columns at Midtown Manhattan high-rise under construction prompt evacuations

The failed cols were steel wide flange cols. Not sure how you "reinforce" those. Maybe weld on some fat plates along the length of it to make it into a hollow section? I dont know.
So far it looks pretty much like what I'd thought:

Two columns that buckled and failed in a Midtown Manhattan tower on July 7 were supposed to be strengthened with steel plates to support the addition of 15 residential floors above, according to structural drawings obtained by The New York Times through a records request to the New York City Department of Buildings.

But engineers who examined both the drawings and photographs of the buckled columns said there was no evidence that the plates were added to the columns as designed. The plates would have turned the columns — which had a classic, wide-flanged, I-shaped cross-section — into boxlike pillars that would have been easily identified in photographs, the engineers said.
https://www.nytimes.com/2026/07/16/nyregion/manhattan-building-collapse-nyc-drawings.html

So basically, the engineers accounted for the additional floors (of course) and produced drawings that for some reason were not followed at these 2 columns.
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Trump federalizing DC police, deploying National Guard in capital crime crackdown

The National Guard recently awarded a $292 million contract to D.C.-based apartment-hotel company Placemakr for up to 2,000 apartment-style units for troops deployed in D.C.

The National Guard said the move is meant to provide more stable housing for troops — who are slated to be stationed in the nation’s capital until 2029 — while also saving money.

“This contract delivers stable, secure housing for our soldiers and Airmen while achieving significant cost savings for the government,” Monica Williams, executive director of acquisitions and the head of contracting activity for the National Guard Bureau, said in a statement.

National Guard troops had been staying in hotels across the region before the Placemakr contract.

While it may represent a savings over the past year of hotel costs, this is still a lot of money that We The People are shelling out for negligible benefits.
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Supreme Court rejects (6-3) Trump’s attempt to end birthright citizenship

Trump to ask Supreme Court to reconsider birthright citizenship case

Under the Supreme Court's rules, parties in a case have 25 days to petition for a rehearing to challenge a judgement or decision based on the merits.
Regardless of what President Trump may say, the administration did not petition for a rehearing. It's over.
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Ellen White: Meat eating weakens moral powers

While still on the far side of the Jordan, in the initial conquest under Moses, we see that the people of Reuben and Gad had "a very great number of livestock".


Numbers 32:1-4​
1 Now the people of Reuben and the people of Gad had a very great number of livestock. And they saw the land of Jazer and the land of Gilead, and behold, the place was a place for livestock. 2 So the people of Gad and the people of Reuben came and said to Moses and to Eleazar the priest and to the chiefs of the congregation, 3 “Ataroth, Dibon, Jazer, Nimrah, Heshbon, Elealeh, Sebam, Nebo, and Beon, 4 the land that the LORD struck down before the congregation of Israel, is a land for livestock, and your servants have livestock.” (ESV)​
Surely these livestock were never intended to be eaten. Israel, being a very moral and kindly nation, probably had adopted the livestock as pets which, in due time, would be accorded proper burials in landscaped cemeteries.
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Commitment to Truth and Character

It is up to each of us. We have to respect and seek the truth even when it does not support our worldview, beliefs, and biases. Do we have the character to such a commitment?

I don’t think so. It saddens me to say that truth and character are no longer priorities.
I'm not knocking truth. But it is a means to an end. If one knows the truth, but it doesn't result in being kinder, more compassionate, more just, it is worthless. It is a tool. It is not a destination.
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