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Israel is out of control.

The point we are all failing to remember is that Palestinians aren't human beings. And so it doesn't matter how they get treated.
And the other point we are all failing to remember is that the modern state of Israel created in 1948 is always on God's side because some 20th century Dispensationalist teachers said so, and anyone who cares about things like what Jesus taught, human rights, or the Gospel is an enemy that must be shut down without mercy.
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JPPT1974's Daily Devotions

JPPT1974's Thurs Thoughts 6/18/2026:
How our world will one day
Not be without sin and without violence
Along with heartache and sadness for all of
Us who believe and repented and
Jesus coming back to the earth on a white
Colt/horse and that it will be totally come out o
Left field as we can only hope and pray for those that go from
Unbelievers to believers in Christ and being reunited in eternity.
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Please pray for me and my family

Financial is apart of life and it always has trials this time of year for us. We both had melt downs, then got up to speed. We are working on each one at a time. God does provide. Besides being the beginning of sorrows he is testing our faith and trust and making them stronger. But also it is needful to know that the rapture may be near. So hold on we have a wonderful future ahead. It seems bad but our redemption draws near. And we are not children of wrath.

i pray we make it through our financial troubles Heavenly Father, and I pray you provide for everyone who needs it. Those without jobs or rent money or food please help them to live and be encouraged by seeing you have not forgotten us, nor will you. Keep us on the road and make our needs be there when we are ready. Help us trust and carry on with an attitude of prayer and be close and comforted by your presence. I have never seen the righteous forsaken nor their seed begging for bread. It is a time for rejoicing and praise for your goodness. Help us to dwell in the positive side with confidence and trust. In Jesus Name
Thank you for your encouraging words and prayers. They were a blessing to read and came at a time when I needed the reminder to keep trusting God.

I appreciate your perspective that even through financial struggles and difficult seasons, the Lord is strengthening our faith and teaching us to depend on Him more. It is comforting to remember that God is our provider and that He has never abandoned His children.

Thank you also for praying not only for us, but for everyone who is facing hardship. Your prayer reflects Christ's love and compassion for others.
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Questions About Prophets & Prophecy.

What is prophecy in Scripture?
In very simple terms, Biblical prophecy is God speaking through a person. It is essentially Spirit inspired communication- God revealing something to a person (the prophet) who then speaks it out to others.

Numbers 12:

6 He said,
“Hear now My words:
If there is a prophet among you,
I, the Lord, shall make Myself known to him in a vision.
I shall speak with him in a dream.
7 “Not so, with My servant Moses,
He is faithful in all My household;
8 With him I speak mouth to mouth,
Even openly, and not in dark sayings,
And he beholds the form of the Lord.
Why then were you not afraid
To speak against My servant, against Moses?”
Prophecy is to be evaluated, to test the genuineness of the prophetic word.
1. It was of God if it came to pass. Deut 18:22.
2. It should not cause people to depart from God. Deut 13:1-3.
3. Prophecy is to be judged 1 Cor 14:29, 1 Jn 4:1.
true
Questions to consider.

1. It is commonly taught by some that there is a difference between Old Testament Prophets and New Testament Prophets, and how they function. Can this be validated from Scripture or not?
it is not in scripture
2.There are many who claim to be prophets today. Is there any Scriptural proof for this claim or not?
yes the Bible says to test the prophets to see iF what they say is of God, is true. Acts 17:11
3. Is prophecy in the New Testament the same as the Old Testament or not?
Same Holy Spirit, same gift of prophecy
4. How do we view modern day so-called prophecy that often, does not come to pass, is often at variance with Scripture, and goes unjudged?
false prophets
5. How can the idea of modern prophecy that brings 'revelation' be reconciled with the closed canon of Scriptural revelation?
Many prophets in both OT and NT never wrote a word of scripture.

All scripture comes from the prophetic gift, but not all with that gift write scripture , see 1 Cor 14.
6. Is there genuine prophecy happening today or did it cease with the early church?

Please discuss your thoughts.
happens today but rarely
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A woman’s hypothermia death in Pittsburgh after her release from ICE custody is ruled a homicide

A medical examiner has ruled the death of a Haitian asylum seeker after being released from federal custody a homicide. An attorney representing her family said he expects her relatives to sue Immigration and Customs Enforcement in connection with her death.

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Trump says US-Iran deal to be signed on Sunday as Tehran casts doubt on timing

In a post on social media, Trump said the Strait of Hormuz, a key shipping route, would be "open to all" once the deal is agreed.

Pakistan, a key mediator, also said the deal was expected to be finalised within 24 hours and they were "preparing for the electronic signing".

Before Trump's comments, Iranian foreign ministry spokesman Esmaeil Baghaei expressed caution over the timeline, saying: "We will have to wait and see about the exact date of the signing of the memorandum of understanding, although it will not be tomorrow."

In a post on Truth Social, Trump wrote: "The Deal is scheduled to get signed tomorrow, and immediately after it is signed, the Hormuz Strait is OPEN TO ALL."

In an apparent reference to Iran's enriched uranium stockpiles, Trump said that "at the appropriate time, when all is calm, we will go in and get the Nuclear Dust", adding it would later be destroyed.

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An example of how the whole law cannot be practiced today (discussion)

Clare73 said:
Including what Paul was taught by him in the third heaven (Gal 1:11-12, 2 Co 12:1-9),
and what he authoritatively teaches us in Ro 13:8, that the one who loves has fulfilled the law.


HIM said:
Will not has.

Mark Quayle said:
Why would you change what the Bible says? — "has", not "will"
go and sin?
I don't follow what—or maybe why—you are saying this. Did you, or did you not, change what the Bible says? If you did, what did you intend, by doing so? Don't make me guess.
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Christ is given as gift of God for our salvation in many aspects, but one is unacceptably bypassed....

In the Pentecost service our preacher reminded us that His presence with us does not need to be invited by us. Because in the Spirit He is always with us. We need to accept the gift and just get on board in obedience. Great stuff, so I thought about the various gifts of God in Jesus and spelled them out for the preacher's pleasure afterwards.
Prophecy of His coming, Incarnation, Miracle-working, Cross, Atonement, Resurrection, Ascension, Intercession, Return, Judgement, Shared Glory. All greeted with audible approval, APART FROM ONE. Silence, then slight embarassment and clear discomfort.
Because like most preachers on the rota he dislikes or certainly downplays the atonement of Christ, by which the justified anger of God towards rebellious man was turned aside in Christ's death. This wonderful truth that gives assurance of God's acceptance and love (and makes sense of all those bloody animal sacrifices in the OT) and enables us without guilt or soul-searching or insecurity to follow Him in brotherhood and in freedom.
Why is this such a stumbling block?

Idolatry and Demons

Great post! But I'd to add that idolatry is also putting something equal to or above God. That doesn't just mean sins in general, but can also include your spouse being an idol. A spouse becomes an idol when a person values that relationship more than God Himself. This happens when pleasing a husband or wife becomes more important than pleasing God, when fear of losing the relationship causes a person to compromise God's commands, or when their identity, security, purpose, and happiness become rooted primarily in the spouse rather than in the Lord.
Thank you! Yes!
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Discerning The Spirits

1 Corinthians 12:1-3 NKJV

“1Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I do not want you to be ignorant: 2You know that you were Gentiles, carried away to these dumb idols, however you were led. 3Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God calls Jesus accursed, and no one can say that Jesus is Lord except by the Holy Spirit.”

So Much Fakery

In our world today, among so much of what is being called “Christian,” there is so much fakery, lies, false gospels, false gifts of “The Spirit,” and false teachers of “The Word.” So many people are creating their own “God” in their own minds for their own purposes. So many of them are adding on to or they are taking away from the Scriptures in order to justify their own lifestyles. And so many are falsely attributing to The Spirit of God what is not of The Spirit at all, but that which is of the flesh, and/or which is of Satan.

So we have a lot that is being done in the name of God, and in the name of Jesus Christ, and in the name of the Holy Spirit which is of the flesh and/or of the devil. So we need to know the gifts of the Spirit and how they are to be used, and we need to know the fruit of the Spirit, which includes “self-control.” So if you are being led to do something that makes you or your body do something over which you have no control, that is not of the Holy Spirit. And if what you do is contrary to the will of God, it is not of God.

But here we have another issue. Since so many people are abusing the “gifts of the Spirit” or they are creating their own “gifts,” claiming that they are of the Spirit of God, when clearly they are not, we have a group of people who are denying some of the primary gifts of the Spirit, teaching that they no longer exist. And they use some Scripture references out of context to try to prove their point, but it is not valid. For in the last days God’s daughters and sons will prophesy, dream dreams, and see visions. But we must test them.

1 Corinthians 12:4-11 NKJV

“4There are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. 5There are differences of ministries, but the same Lord. 6And there are diversities of activities, but it is the same God who works all in all. 7But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to each one for the profit of all: 8for to one is given the word of wisdom through the Spirit, to another the word of knowledge through the same Spirit, 9to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healings by the same Spirit, 10to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another discerning of spirits, to another different kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues. 11But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually as He wills.”

Discerning The Gifts

“Spiritual gifts” is clearly a controversial topic, for things which are of the Spirit of God are not always easily discerned. And so many of the gifts are being abused and misused. And I believe that is one of the reasons why a certain group of people at some point in time decided that certain gifts no longer exist, because they are not things which they can control or easily explain or discern. So many, thus, have stayed with ones which they can control, like gifts of teaching, giving, mercy, serving, and leading others.

But we read in the Scriptures: “19Do not quench the Spirit. 20Do not despise prophecies. 21Test all things; hold fast what is good. 22Abstain from every form of evil.” (1 Thessalonians 5:19-22 NKJV)

So, we are neither to deny all which are being called “gifts of the Spirit,” nor are we to embrace everything being called “gifts of the Spirit” or “prophecy.” But honestly, I believe many people stay away from such things as these because it is so much work to test everything, to take the time to search the Scriptures to see if something is or is not of God, and to see if it contradicts the Scriptures or if it supports the teachings of God. So they “play it safe,” by just ignoring what they regard as just “too hard” to understand.

Applying This to Today

Now, what was written here in the Scriptures was during a time in history when people did not have television, radio, and the internet, like we do. So, what was written to them was to be applied to them and to the people who were in their inner circle, i.e. in their Christian fellowships. So this is not saying that we have to try to discern every “prophecy” we hear people speak in the name of Jesus if they are on television, radio, or on the internet, and if they are not in our inner circle, unless they are influencing our inner circle.

But if there is someone who is very popular among the people of my nation or in the world, and if the masses appear to be following after them and what they are teaching, and if the Lord leads me to do so, I will take the time to search out what they are teaching, and to compare it to what the Scriptures are teaching, and then to share what the Lord has taught me in the hope that it will keep at least some people from being deceived and from following after the lies, lies which might send them to hell, especially.

But please do not deny the gifts of the Spirit just because a group of people are denying them or are abusing them. The Lord gave us these gifts for a reason, that we might help one another to grow to maturity in our walks of faith in obedience to our Lord and to his commands. In what I write each day, I am exercising, in the power of The Holy Spirit who lives within me, the gifts of God within me which I am to use for the salvation of human souls from hell and for the encouragement of the body of Christ, his church.

Gifts, Ministries, body life, Ministers of the Gospel Scriptures:

[Matthew 5:13-16; Matthew 28:18-20; John 4:31-38; John 13:13-17; John 14:12; Acts 1:8; Acts 2:14-18; Acts 26:18; Romans 10:14-15; Romans 12:1-8; Romans 15:14; 1 Corinthians 12:1-31; 1 Corinthians 14:1-5; Ephesians 4:1-16; Ephesians 5:11-27; Philippians 2:1-8; Colossians 3:16; Hebrews 3:13; Hebrews 10:23-25; 1 Peter 2:9,21; 1 John 2:6]

Love Never Fails

Based off 1 Corinthians 13 NIV
An Original Work / August 20, 2012
Christ’s Free Servant, Sue J Love


If I speak with tongues of men and angels,
But do not have love, my speech is but noise;
It sounds like thunder from above.
If I have the gift of preaching,
Knowledge, faith and prophecy,
But I do not love my brothers, oh, what vanity!
If I give all I possess to help a neighbor who’s in need,
But I do not love my sisters, I gain not a thing.

Love is patient; love is kind; it does not envy;
Is not proud. It is not rude; not self-seeking;
Selflessly gives out. Love does not delight in evil,
But rejoices with the truth; Protects always;
Hopes and trusts, and always perseveres.
Love is not easily angered; keeps no record of the wrongs.
It forgives when wrong’s intended; returns hate with love.

Love will never fail when it is God’s love
Reaching out through us, selfless in its care for others;
Yielding to the cross. Prophecies and tongues
And knowledge, wisdom, teaching, miracles,
Gifts of healing, helping others – these will all be stilled.
When perfection comes the imperfect will surely disappear.
Faith and hope and love remain; the greatest of these, love.

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Modern Day Antinomianism.

Well to be fair, John Calvin also practiced Infant Baptism; the Synod of Dort, where the Five Points first appeared, likewise was not an Anabaptist synod. In the 16th century only the Anabaptists subscribed to the idea of Believer’s Baptism and were viewed unfavorably by the other Protestants and were not treated graciously, which is unfortunate; I am descended from an early Baptist pilgrim to the US, but I have also never subscribed to Baptist theology; I was baptized as an infant and I agree with Orthodox and Lutheran views on Baptism and Baptismal Regeneration.
I agree with that, as I said above, that is a reformed position, but it is separate from Calvinism. Calvinism is strictly a soteriology theology.

However, we are somewhat off-topic. My original post was to speak to the very biased POV of the OP, who feels that people who believe they are saved again subscribe to cheap grace.
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Tim Allen reflects on finding God after prison sentence, regrets he carries

Actor Tim Allen recently opened up about the role faith has played in his life and the lessons he has learned after three decades of sobriety, and what it means to be part of the “Toy Story” movies, a franchise that has connected with multiple generations of families.

During an interview with Us Weekly, the actor and comedian said he remains amazed by the lasting appeal of "Toy Story," which debuted in 1995. The actor noted that few people involved with the original film anticipated the cultural phenomenon it would become.

“When we first saw 'Toy Story,' everybody was in the room going, 'I don't know what to make of this.' [The] powers-that-be were very unsure it would [translate]. [They] thought, 'Maybe we just go right to DVDs,'" Allen said.

Three decades later, the franchise is preparing to release its fifth installment. Allen said he was particularly struck by the film's willingness to address children's relationship with technology.

“They’re into tech, and yet they’re putting a light on their own tech,” Allen said.

At a screening of “Toy Story 5,” Allen, the voice of Buzz Lightyear, said the room became quiet during a scene depicting children absorbed in their phones. The actor praised Pixar, calling it courageous to re-encourage kids to play."

Beyond "Toy Story," Allen has built a career that includes starring roles in the "Santa Clause" film series and the television sitcoms "Home Improvement” and "Last Man Standing.” Allen now stars in the ABC comedy series "Shifting Gears," playing the lead character Matt Parker.

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Adventist Beliefs on Biblical Signs of the End Days.

AI has picked it up pretty straight forward it appears...

The Seven Last Plagues in Seventh-day Adventist Teaching​

In Seventh-day Adventist eschatology, the seven last plagues are described as the final judgments of God poured out on the unrepentant before the Second Coming of Christ. They are introduced in Revelation 15:1 and detailed in Revelation 16, symbolizing the “wrath of God” that is “filled up” (Rev. 15:1) EGW Writings+1.

Timing and Purpose​

Adventists teach that these plagues occur after the heavenly sanctuary work is completed and the final judgment is sealed (Rev. 15:8; 22:11–12) cutsdasm.adventisthost.org. They follow the plagues of the seven trumpets, which are mixed with mercy and aimed at bringing repentance Sabbath School Net. The last plagues, however, are without mercy and mark the end of probation for those who have chosen the mark of the beast or worship its image (Rev. 16:2) Ellen G. White Estate.

Who Will Be Affected​

The plagues will strike the men who have the mark of the beast and those who worship his image (Rev. 16:2) Ellen G. White Estate. Those who have “victory over the beast, his image, his mark, and his number” (Rev. 15:2) — such as the 144,000 sealed saints — will be protected and will not suffer these judgments Sabbath School Net+1.

The Seven Plagues (Revelation 16)​

  1. A grievous sore (Rev. 16:2) — a virulent, incurable disease.
  2. Blood from the sea (Rev. 16:3–4) — oceans and rivers turn to blood.
  3. Fresh water turned to blood (Rev. 16:4–7) — God’s true people receive fresh water.
  4. The sun given to the beast (Rev. 16:8–9) — symbolic of the beast’s power over the sun.
  5. A great darkness (Rev. 16:10–11) — spiritual darkness over the earth.
  6. The Euphrates dried up (Rev. 16:12–16) — withdrawal of support from spiritual Babylon; Armageddon near.
  7. Judgment on Babylon (Rev. 16:17–21) — earthquake, lightning, and hail; the Second Coming of Christ occurs under this plague Ellen G. White Estate+1.

Symbolism and Connection to Egypt​

The seven last plagues are often compared to the Egyptian plagues (Exodus 7–11) in purpose: both are divine judgments showing God’s power and holiness, separating His people from the unrepentant Sabbath School Net.

Key Adventist Beliefs​

  • The plagues are future, poured out before the resurrection and transformation of the saints (1 Cor. 15:51–54) EGW Writings+1.
  • They are successive and rapid, with some interpreting “her plagues come in one day” (Rev. 18:8) as either literal or prophetic time cutsdasm.adventisthost.org.
  • The righteous are hided with Christ until the plagues are over absg.sspmadventist.org.
In summary, the seven last plagues are the climactic divine judgments in Revelation, marking the end of God’s patience and the final confrontation with the unrepentant, with the righteous protected and the Second Coming occurring under the seventh plague.

Which AI did you use?
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They did it first!! Therefore pointing out the error is moot!!! How is running with something you supposedly know is wrong a good decision?

You objected to the "gestating" and "non-gestating" language on the documents and said that "mama" and "dada" are the first words everyone says. You are correct that you did not specifically say that the first words everyone says :rolleyes: should be used instead of the more clinical and inclusive language that you mocked.

I did not mock you - I mocked the idea.

I have not attacked you but the idea that "mama" and "dada" should be used instead of "gestating" and "non-gestating" - and I stand by this. Also that if one doesn't understand what pronouns are maybe shouldn't pontificate on the importance of them.

If "snarky jabs" on ideas are too upsetting, then use the ignore function. Or - here's an idea! - treat others how you wish to be treated. Post with respect and good faith and that will more likely be returned to you.

Sorry, bud, attacking then crying victim describes your routine; there have been several posts about you doing this from which you seem to be cribbing.

Is it possible to stick to the contents of the post and stop making personal remarks about me? TIA.
What a leanthy load of nonsense.
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Man known as ‘prophet’ of an Oroville religious group sentenced to 250 years for sexually assaulting members

Sansue Bee Vang, 58, was found guilty of eight counts of child molestation and three counts of rape following a seven-day trial in February. As part of his sentence, Vang is also required to register as a sex offender, the Butte County district attorney’s office said in a news release.

At the sentencing, Judge Philip Heithecker heard testimony and statements from five of the six named victims that Vang was convicted of abusing.

Vang is the founder, creator and leader of a Hmong religious organization called Kev Ntseeg Leej Niam Kee Tiam Vaj Lis Thum, which can loosely be translated to “belief in the mother.” The organization was originally founded in Appleton, Wis., where it gained a following, and was moved to Fresno in 2015. In 2020, Vang selected families from Wisconsin, Minnesota, North Carolina and Fresno to relocate to Oroville to build a temple at the base of Table Mountain, according to the release.

All of the victims in the case were members of the religious organization. Vang was referred to as the leader or “prophet” of the organization and created the readings, songs and the requirements for the movement, authorities said.
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Vietnamese prisoner of Faith, Ksor Ruk

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On March 15, 2019, Ksor Ruk, was sentenced to 10 years in prison by the People’s Court of Gia Lai Province. Ksor was accused of being allegedly involved with FULRO, an exiled group in America, and charged with ‘undermining the state’s unity policy’, Article 116 of the 2015 Criminal Code.

Ksor Ruk, a Montagnard (Jrai) Christian, was first imprisoned in 2007, charged with ‘undermining the state’s unity policy’. However, after being released, he continued his missionary work in his local area. He is married with five children. His youngest child was just one month old when he was arrested in October 2018.

Charged with undermining unity policy.

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Gia Trung Prison,
Mang Yang district,
Gia Lai Province
Vietnam

Vietnamese Prisoner of Faith, Y Pum Bya

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On April 10, 2018, Montagnard Church of Christ leader Y Pum Bya was arrested during a police raid at a church member’s home during an unregistered church meeting. He was accused of spreading false information about Vietnam’s violations of minority rights, and religious freedom, in order to convince people to join efforts to establish an independent state.

At the police station, he was interrogated, tortured, and forced to sign a statement agreeing to stop worshipping in a group while belonging to the Gospel Missionary Church.

Y Pum Bya had previously been threatened with arrest for his religious activities. On March 15, 2017, he requested permission to register unregistered religious activities in Ea Dron Commune, but his request was rejected and police threatened him with arrest and imprisonment if he continued to engage in his religious activities.

On January 31, 2019, Y Pum Bya was sentenced to 14 years in prison and four years probation, for ‘undermining national unity policy’ under Article 87/1999. He is currently imprisoned at Gia Trung Prison in Gia Lai Province.

Family Situation​

Y Pum Bya is married with children
Charged with:
"undermining national unity policy"

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Gia Trung Prison,
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