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UN says Hamas police executed Palestinians in Gaza

No you're sticking words in my mouth constantly. And I'm not going to forever continually correct you on it. So again, have a good night.
The essence of what you are saying is, until such time as there an official verdict from something like ICJ, no blame can be apportioned to Israel for the Gaza killings. Right?
That is what I am disputing.
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UN report confirms Hamas is controlling Gaza with murder, torture and ‘fear-based’ rule

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1) Several former members of Benjamin Netanyahu's administration have accused Netanyahu of policies that propped up, funded, or supported Hamas. - Netanyahu has denied it but sources included former Ministers in his own Cabinet

- former Prime Minister Naftali Bennett,

= former Defense Minister Avigdor Lieberman

- former Defence Minister Moshe Ya'alon,

- former Prime Minister Ehud Olmert

2) Cash Transfers to Gaza: F
- former Prime Minister Naftali Bennett has stated publicly that when he took office in 2021, he attempted to halt his predecessors "cash suitcases" policy—allowing millions of dollars from Qatar to enter Hamas-controlled Gaza

=former Prime Minister Ehud Olmert confirms Bebbett's revelations, also accusing Netanyahu of allowing money from Arab sources to reach Hamas which financed weapons for its military wing, build miles of tunnels and increase financial reserves

- Netanyahu's policies provided no guarantees that these "cash suitcases" funnelling $ millions to NAMAS, was financing what much of the world had determined to be a terrorist organization

=facilitating the acquisition of weapons that could be used against the Israeli military

The "Divide and Conquer" Strategy:
- critics that had served in the Netanyahu Administration have argued the Prime Minister was serving as an"ENABLER! - intentionally maintaining Hamas as a strong, viable counterweight to the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank

- the primary goal is to prevent a unified Palestinian leadership that could press for a two-state solution - a strategy -allowing Hamas access to $ millions may actually create a greater threat to Israel than the 2 state option

Arming Rival Factions:
- former Defense Minister Avigdor Lieberman has severely criticized Netanyahu for allegedly supplying weapons to specific clans and factions in Gaza

- given that HAMAS is not the only Palestinian group that is vying for power in Gaza, as the most powerful faction it would be constantly attempting to suppress the other factions intent on replacing it

- providing different groups with the means of buying weapons ensures that Israel shares a common border with 2.13 million Palestinians subjected to a perpetual state of political instability

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The ,most vocal criticism of Netanyahu are former Prime Ministers who inherited his "cash suitcases" strategy and 2 former Ministers of Defence who had served in Netanyahu's Cabinet - despite his denials, they know where all "THE SKELETONS ARE BURIED!"

So from what I have read on wiki, it seems like a long term Israeli strategy of trying to fight Palestinian terrorism backfired by supporting Islamist militants against secular nationalists. Israel thought they could use Qatar as a presentable middleman to help make social welfare payments for the people in Gaza.

Whatever mistakes Israel did make it seem like they actually had more pragmatic concern for social welfare in Gaza than whoever were the Palestinian political leaders. Netanyahu is a hardliner but he carried on a policy that preceded him in an Israeli establishment has become so divided and perhaps no longer capable of internal cooperation ( like the USA now is).

It seems strange that a faction with people like Ehud Barak point fingers at Netenyahu towards the Palestinians. Barak obstructed the 2000 accords where the last shreds of secular Palestinian rebel groups ( like the PLO) dissolved.

Hamas is an evil jinn spreading jihad and the people under it are secondary and those who will not submit are to be eliminated.
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Must I keep Saturday as a day of scrupulous rest from worldly works?

... If you agree the new moon is the first day of the month than 8/15/22/29 Sabbaths stand.
No. I agreed that the new moon is always the first day of the "month", not "week". "months" and "weeks" are on differing calendations. The word "month" comes from the word "moon" - Month - Etymology, Origin & Meaning

The "week" begins in Genesis before there ever existed the "lesser light" or "moon". The 7th day is calendated from the first day, when the light of Christ Jesus (2 Cor. 4:4-6) shown forth by command of the Father.

Once in a while the beginning of the "month", such as Abib, coincide with the "week", as the linked material showed - The 7th Day The Sabbath - The Rest Of His Eternal Story (by Aaron Earnest) : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

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However, when the next "month", such as "Zif", comes, then the calendation differences of "months" and "weeks" are witnessed:

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'Lunar Sabbatarian' calendation doesn't work - The 7th Day The Sabbath - The Rest Of His Eternal Story (by Aaron Earnest) : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

Think of the "months" and "weeks" like "hours" and "minutes" on a clock. Once in while they will align together, but most times do not.
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JPPT's Faithful Thoughts and Devotions (3)

JPPT1974's Thurs Thoughts 6/18/2026:
It has been six years since the
Police riots and COVID and
How in celebrating Juneteenth and
Really freedom is not really free
Ask the US troops that are fighting and
Defending our country and world in Iran.
You see freedom is indeed NOT FREE!
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Mike Waltz hedges on Iran signing

US and Iran reach peace deal after talks

Following intensive talks, we are pleased to announce that the Peace Deal between the United States of America and Islamic Republic of Iran has been REACHED.

"Both sides have declared the immediate and permanent termination of military operations on all fronts, including in Lebanon.

"The official signing ceremony will be on Friday, 19 June in Switzerland.
nice!
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Amid anti-DEI push, National Park Service rewrites history of Underground Railroad

Why? I can not for the life of me understand why he does this?
It's Trump's role in the culture war. It's what he's consistently doing "right" as far as MAGA is concerned--it's what he was elected to accomplish.
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Why biblical servitude is not American chattel slavery

I give you a like because of your good elaboration on the Bible/slavery issue. However, even after reading up more on the pastor firing, I can't figure out whether the charges are valid or not.

I did learn just this week about the slavery issue being the primary cause of the Baptist split in 1845. The SBC sure got that one wrong, defending slavery with misinterpreted Bible scriptures. They've repented and changed though and now represent biblical/evangelical Christianity better (in my view at least) than any other denomination, including the other American Baptist Churches USA that have gone liberal.
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Most pastors, practicing Christians worry about AI replacing God but use it anyway: Barna

In a way, AI will replace God for some people, those earthdwellers left behind after the rapture.

AI is Satan's method of deception planned for the anti-christ's use in the end times, and as such, cannot, nor should it be, stopped.

I never use, and am firmly against generative or agentic AI for the present time, just for the principle. Certainly not for spiritual guidance. That's just going to be end times stuff, for the (hopefully) near future. It's for others to buy into the deception. But I won't be around to have to see it happen.
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Poll: How much do you trust AI?

AI is Satan's method of deception planned for the anti-christ's use in the end times, and as such, cannot, nor should it be, stopped.

Having said that, there are many forms of AI.

I find it useful only as an advanced search engine. I can spend hours and hours searching for something online, clicking on website after website, reading post after post, often finding the issue devolves into divisive talk among posters, and never having my question answered.

With LLM AI I can ask the question using natural language, it goes out into the Internet, finds the answer, and presents it to me. Saving me hours of wasted time.

However, I never use, and am firmly against generative or agentic AI for the present time, just for the principle. That's just going to be end times stuff, for the (hopefully) near future. It's for others to buy into the deception. But I won't be around to have to see it happen.
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Is this why God put "Rules" in place for mankind?

Presbyterians are followers of the doctrine of grace.
In fact, the doctrine of grace alone (sola gratia) is a foundational pillar of their faith
I would say not all presbytarians have the same understanding of grace.

But ones might have highjacked the presbyterian reputation and changed its meaning.

To me, it is very clear how God does destine people, plus God has rules for us. His grace works to change a person to trust in Jesus and His grace has us obeying His rules . . . including about marriage, yes.


COM
so I assume you are a follower of Grace -- no rules
Well . . . in my comments, I do not think I said grace means no rules. I referred to, among others > the rule >

"Do all things without complaining and disputing," (Philippians 2:14)

And this rule is needed in an obedient marriage.
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RFK Jr’s ‘Maha’ report found to contain citations to nonexistent studies

Remember boys and girls, this is the guy running our current health department:

"COVID-19 is targeted to attack Caucasians and Black people. The people who are most immune are Ashkenazi Jews and Chinese."
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What does God promise us if we believe in Jesus?

In my last post I gave what the world considers the downside of being a Christian. Jesus did not come to destroy our fun. He came so we could experience true happiness. The things that give us pleasure will change. The pleasure we will have in heaven is so much more intense and greater than anything in the world can give. Even though we are not in heaven now His joy and peace is better than what the world gives

John 15:11 "These things I have spoken to you, that My joy may remain in you, and that your joy may be full. NKJV

The joy that Jesus had, He has given us that joy. The more we start to look like Jesus the more we experience that joy. As we shed more and more sins of the flesh it gets stronger and last longer. It does fade as we get past the triumphant victory but the joy never leaves completely even in the hard times, if we keep looking to Jesus as our source of joy.

John 14:27 Peace I leave with you, My peace I give to you; not as the world gives do I give to you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid. NKJV

Jesus also left us His peace. A better feeling of peace and joy only those in Jesus can know. We have it here and it will only get better in heaven. The struggle is well worth it.

For those in Christ who think they do not sin in Christ and are not convicted by Jesus for any sin.

Matthew 11:11 "Assuredly, I say to you, among those born of women there has not risen one greater than John the Baptist; but he who is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he. NKJV

Matthew recorded that Jesus compared the least in the kingdom of heaven was greater than John the Baptist.

Luke 7:28 For I say to you, among those born of women there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist; but he who is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he." NKJV

Luke recorded that the least in the kingdom was greater than the prophet John. Dose this mean that the least in the kingdom of heaven was a greater prophet that John? No, it could not mean that the least in the kingdom of God is a greater prophet.

Matthew 5:19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. NKJV

A false teacher is the least in the Kingdom of God. The thing that makes a false teacher greater than John the Baptist is God does not impute sin to a person in the kingdom of heaven. Therefore, Jesus was saying that John the Baptist was the least sinner of all the other prophets, but those in the kingdom sin less than John. So John the Baptist was the person who sinned the least among the prophets.

Matthew 19:21 Jesus said to him, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell what you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me." NKJV

Jesus also told a young man if he wanted to be perfect, as a man could be, to become like John the Baptist. Own nothing but the cloths on your back and point people to Jesus 24/7 until you die, and you are as sinless as a living man can be.
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Hall of Mirrors

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Hall of Mirrors

Living in a monastery, where we share life in such a close way, can be daunting. We have different generations praying, eating, and working together. Each brings his own history, temperament, and perspective. Add to that differing political views, and it is not surprising that tensions can arise.
Love and Discernment

Jesus gave us counsels for living that are not always easy to apply. They require discernment.
For example, there are times when turning the other cheek is the right response—and times when it is not. Without discernment, even something good can be misapplied, and harm can be done. So we are asked not only to obey, but to reflect, to pause, and to seek wisdom before we act.

The Commandment of Love

There is, however, one commandment that admits of no exception:
to love God and to love others as we love ourselves.

This is not a sentimental love, nor one limited to friends or those we naturally get along with. It includes everyone—especially those who are different, difficult, or even unsettling to us. Such love is beyond our natural capacity. It can only grow in us through grace.
And yet, this commandment includes something we often overlook: we are to love others as we love ourselves. If our relationship with ourselves is marked by rejection or harshness, that will inevitably shape how we relate to others.
The Danger of Judgment

In monastic life, we encounter brothers we do not fully understand. Some remain, in a real sense, an enigma to us. We are not called to grasp everything about one another, but we are called to resist harsh and final judgments in our minds, which closes us off from who they really are. In a deeper sense, this is a failure of love—it diminishes both the one judged and the one judging.

A Hall of Mirrors

Our community can be seen as a kind of hall of mirrors. In others, we often encounter reflections of parts of ourselves—especially the parts we have lost touch with, or would rather not see. What we react to most strongly in others can reveal something within us. When we reject or condemn those reflections, we may also be rejecting something in ourselves. In that sense, judgment becomes not only a lack of charity toward others, but also toward our own inner life.

Self-Knowledge and the Inner Life

This is why self-knowledge is so important. It is part of the long and often difficult journey toward genuine self-love.
In prayer, as we go deeper, we begin to see ourselves more clearly. But this deeper knowledge can only take root if we are willing to accept what we see. This includes what is sometimes called the “shadow”: those underdeveloped, wounded, or even self-destructive aspects of our lives.
As our love of God grows, we slowly gain the capacity to face these parts of ourselves. When we can name them and hold them in Christ, they begin to lose their power to harm us—or others. They are no longer hidden forces, but something we can bring into the light.

Growth in Compassion

From this comes a deeper compassion. We begin to recognize that others are struggling as we are. Their faults no longer seem entirely foreign. We see that we are all on the same path, all in need of patience, mercy, and grace. Community life then becomes less of a burden and more of a place of transformation.

A Choice

But this path can also be refused. If we avoid self-knowledge, if we cling to judgment, then community easily becomes a cycle of tension and opposition. Relationships grow adversarial instead of life-giving. The hall of mirrors then becomes a place of distortion, where we only see what confirms our judgments.
But if we accept the work—if we allow God to guide us into truth—then those same mirrors can become a place of insight, humility, and growth in love.-Br.MD
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Hall of Mirrors

hallofmirrors.jpg


Hall of Mirrors

Living in a monastery, where we share life in such a close way, can be daunting. We have different generations praying, eating, and working together. Each brings his own history, temperament, and perspective. Add to that differing political views, and it is not surprising that tensions can arise.

Love and Discernment

Jesus gave us counsels for living that are not always easy to apply. They require discernment.
For example, there are times when turning the other cheek is the right response—and times when it is not. Without discernment, even something good can be misapplied, and harm can be done. So we are asked not only to obey, but to reflect, to pause, and to seek wisdom before we act.

The Commandment of Love

There is, however, one commandment that admits of no exception:
to love God and to love others as we love ourselves.

This is not a sentimental love, nor one limited to friends or those we naturally get along with. It includes everyone—especially those who are different, difficult, or even unsettling to us. Such love is beyond our natural capacity. It can only grow in us through grace.

And yet, this commandment includes something we often overlook: we are to love others as we love ourselves. If our relationship with ourselves is marked by rejection or harshness, that will inevitably shape how we relate to others.

The Danger of Judgment

In monastic life, we encounter brothers we do not fully understand. Some remain, in a real sense, an enigma to us. We are not called to grasp everything about one another, but we are called to resist harsh and final judgments.

To label someone, to “box” them in, is to reduce them. It fixes them in our minds and closes us off from who they really are. In a deeper sense, this is a failure of love—it diminishes both the one judged and the one judging.

A Hall of Mirrors

Our community can be seen as a kind of hall of mirrors.
In others, we often encounter reflections of parts of ourselves—especially the parts we have lost touch with, or would rather not see.

What we react to most strongly in others can reveal something within us. When we reject or condemn those reflections, we may also be rejecting something in ourselves. In that sense, judgment becomes not only a lack of charity toward others, but also toward our own inner life.

Self-Knowledge and the Inner Life

This is why self-knowledge is so important. It is part of the long and often difficult journey toward genuine self-love.

In prayer, as we go deeper, we begin to see ourselves more clearly. But this deeper knowledge can only take root if we are willing to accept what we see. This includes what is sometimes called the “shadow”: those underdeveloped, wounded, or even self-destructive aspects of our lives.

As our love of God grows, we slowly gain the capacity to face these parts of ourselves. When we can name them and hold them in Christ, they begin to lose their power to harm us—or others. They are no longer hidden forces, but something we can bring into the light.

Growth in Compassion

From this comes a deeper compassion.
We begin to recognize that others are struggling as we are. Their faults no longer seem entirely foreign. We see that we are all on the same path, all in need of patience, mercy, and grace.

Community life then becomes less of a burden and more of a place of transformation.

A Choice

But this path can also be refused.
If we avoid self-knowledge, if we cling to judgment, then community easily becomes a cycle of tension and opposition. Relationships grow adversarial instead of life-giving.

The hall of mirrors then becomes a place of distortion, where we only see what confirms our judgments.

But if we accept the work—if we allow God to guide us into truth—then those same mirrors can become a place of insight, humility, and growth in love.-Br.MD

Browns Players Carson Schwesinger and Raheim Sanders Baptized at Cleveland for Christ Event

At the inaugural “Cleveland for Christ” event on Sunday (June 7), two pro football players were baptized and community members gathered for prayer, worship music, and faith-sharing. Cleveland Browns chaplain Nobles Darby IV led the event, which was free and open to the public.

Metro Cleveland FCA, the organizer behind “Cleveland for Christ,” encouraged people to especially invite young athletes and non-believers. Because the gathering was held at a municipal swimming pool, it was the ideal place to make faith declarations through baptism.

Two Browns players did exactly that. Linebacker Carson Schwesinger and running back Raheim Sanders were both baptized at Sunday’s event. Other players present—and wearing matching “Cleveland for Christ” shirts—included Shedeur Sanders (no relation to Raheim), Taylen Green, Zion Washington, Chris Edmonds, Mason Graham, Daniel Thomas, and Tyson Campbell.

Thomas and Campbell, who previously played together in Jacksonville, each led portions of the worship event with Chaplain Darby.

Continued below.

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