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The Truth About Invincible Ignorance Ultimately, only God knows who is truly invincibly ignorant

One of the most dangerous things that we can get wrong in Catholic theology is what the Church means by invincible ignorance. The Catechism reaffirms the traditional teaching that “outside the Church there is no salvation” and then explains that “this affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church,” quoting the Second Vatican Council (Lumen Gentium 16) that “those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience—those too may achieve eternal salvation” (847). This ignorance—“through no fault of their own”—is what the Catechism means by invincible ignorance.

Understood properly, this is what Catholics have always believed, and what Scripture plainly teaches. But it’s possible to misunderstand the teaching in two serious (and dangerous) ways.

First, let’s consider what this teaching doesmean. In short, it means that we’ll be judged based on what we knew (or should have known), not for what we didn’t have the power to know. Jesus gives the standard that “every one to whom much is given, of him will much be required; and of him to whom men commit much they will demand the more” (Luke 12:48). God gives some people more helps than others, but he also expects more of those people. In the parable of the talents, the Master (clearly representing God) “called his servants and entrusted to them his property; to one he gave five talents, to another two, to another one, to each according to his ability” (Matt. 25:14-15).

In his commentary on the parable, the Lutheran scholar Arland Hultgren points outthat “the sums distributed to the three slaves are enormous,” since a single talent was worth 6,000 denarii (a denarius being the standard daily wage for a laborer), or about sixteen years’ worth of salary. In other words, there is no one whom the Master leaves empty-handed or ill equipped. There are only those to whom “much is given” and those who to whom even more is given. When it comes to divine assistance, no one is poor: there are only the rich and the super-rich. Everyone has at least natural law and conscience, as St. Paul points out (Rom. 2:13-16):

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Richfield Minnesota Police Arrest, Release 2 dozen protesters at Target Amid ICE Demonstrations

Oh their polices changed. Target faced a boycott from parents and concerned citizens over their DEI policies, based on what children saw in the aisles and also what was being marketed to children. Target scaled back their DEI policies. Then they were threatened with a boycott from the DEI crowd. They are very much caught in the middle. More recently they have changed their customer policies towards all, working more to give a friendlier image and engage people.

Their policies towards LGBT persons haven't changed. They are still an equal-opportunity employer and still committed to non-discrimination in service.
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California governor signs $90M 'emergency' funding bill for Planned Parenthood, abortion providers

Gov. Gavin Newsom's wife slams media for ignoring 'war on women'

A press conference to mark the signing of a bill that grants $90 million in “emergency” funding for Planned Parenthood and other abortion providers was nearly derailed after California Gov. Gavin Newsom’s wife linked the media with a “horrific war on women.”

The incident occurred during the signing of Senate Bill 106, which was introduced by state Sen. John Laird, D-Santa Cruz, in response to the Trump administration’s efforts to defundPlanned Parenthood, the nation’s largest abortion services provider. Following the passage of President Donald Trump’s “Big Beautiful Bill,” Planned Parenthood warned it would have no choice but to close as many as a third of its 600 facilities across the United States.

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Breaking: Venezuela attacked by U.S. Update: Maduro and wife captured.

Hegseth's Caribbean adventure is apparently over....for now:

WASHINGTON, Feb 13 (Reuters) - The Pentagon is sending an aircraft carrier from the Caribbean to the Middle East, two U.S. officials told Reuters on Friday, a move that would put two carriers in the region as tensions soar between the United States and Iran.


https://www.reuters.com/business/ae...id-iran-tensions-us-media-reports-2026-02-13/
“The pace of repression outstrips our ability to understand it....It is easier to hide behind forty atrocities than a single incident.” -- Karis Nemik

What Karis Nemik means is that oppressive systems cannot pause. If repression slows, people notice it, analyze it, and begin to resist. Therefore, the regime must increase the tempo of control, punishment, and intrusion. As the pace accelerates, oppression becomes normalized through sheer volume -- atrocities blur together and lose individual salience.

But if oppression survives by speed, that same speed guarantees its eventual failure. Speed leads to overreach, overreach produces mistakes, mistakes create visible injustice, which fuels resistance.
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Is this the real reality? What do you believe or think?

If God is talking about astrophysics, the primitive scribes writing the message would not get it and could only try their best to write down what they're hearing that people of their time might understand. The many modern terminologies for science does not exist in their vocabulary back then.

Even just few centuries ago, galaxies were referred to as universe itself or "island universes".

There's volumes of knowledge in astrophysics alone and you can't expect them to all fit in just few chapters of Genesis. Eventually, you'll have no other choice but look to science.
I've read Genesis. There is no astrophysics in it, nor anything even remotely resembling astrophysics.
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Shaped by ancient humans, 430,000-year-old wooden tools are the oldest ever found

I'm really confused by the direction this thread is going now.

@Tuur, how exactly does what you're saying relate to the OP topic of human tools being dated back to 430,000 years ago?

I'm responding to myself sure, but it needs to be done because this whole thing started by me pointing that a guy who claims that radiometric dating is done purely off assumptions claims that theories are the same as beliefs, which are his own words, and then Tuur decided to support his claim, even though what the two are talking about are ENTIRELY DIFFERENT THINGS.

Like, the guy making the claim that theories are the same as beliefs is a guy who does not accept any scientific findings, and this is not a matter of conjecture but record.
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IF (conditional) our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved...

Peace in Christ.

“Mortal” = (of living beings, esp human beings) subject to death.

Being “mortal” means we are subject to death but are still living. A “mortal” has not died but is subject to death.

We are to be changed from “mortal” (our body which had not died) to immortal at the “last trump”….which is the last day of this age. We will have had an age-lasting life in this mortal body until then. This change is the "redemption of the body" that we are to earnestly expect. We do not mortally die while we WAIT for it.

Those Christians who had mortally perished (the “corruptible”) shall then be raised unperishable. They mortally died but because they believed in Christ, they will be resurrected AT the last day of this age. In the meantime, they are considered "asleep" because their death is only age-lasting for God will bring them back with Christ at the resurrection of the dead.

We have 2 groups (the dead and the living) of Christians being talked about here in 1 Corinthians 15.

The “dead” who mortally perished shall be resurrected AT the last day unperishable (the resurrection of the dead) and the “living” who had not mortally died (having an age-lasting life until then) who shall be changed from mortal to immortal.

The living were “mortal”….being subject to death but still living (having an age-lasting life) until that moment.

1Co 15:52-55 KJV
(52) In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

(53) For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

When the living….the mortals who had an age-lasting life…are changed into immortal, they will be no longer “subject to death” as death shall be swallowed up in victory.

(54) So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
(55) O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?

While we have an age-lasting life, we are to be earnestly desiring for this mortal body to be clothed with immortality. We will then be clothed upon with our house which is OUT of heaven (because we will still be here in this earth for the next coming age) We shall then no longer be “subject to death” as death shall then be completely swallowed up of life. There will then be no possibility at all to die. The possibility is there as long as we are still “mortal” while we have an age-lasting life. (Matthew 10:28 )

2Co 5:2-8 KJV
(2) For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from (OUT OF) heaven:
(3) If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked.


In this tabernacle we do groan. We want our “mortality” to be swallowed up of life. Notice death is not mentioned here at all as this applies to the living who have an age-lasting life.

(4) For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life.
(5) Now he that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing is God, who also hath given unto us the earnest of the Spirit.

We are given the earnest of the Spirit while we wait for the redemption of our mortal bodies.

Being at “home in the body” applies to being mortal. To be present with the Lord applies to being made immortal.

(6) Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord:
(7) (For we walk by faith, not by sight)

(8) We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

IF…IF…..IF (a conditional particle) our earthly house this tabernacle is dissolved, we have a building of God AGE-LASTING IN the heavens. Those who perish in their mortal bodies are given an AGE-LASTING home IN the heavens where they die and go to. It is only AGE-LASTING ...and it is IN the heavens and not OUT of the heavens a mentioned 2nd Corinthians 5:2 .

2Co 5:1 KJV
(1) For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal (AGE-LASTING) in the heavens.

IF our earthly house (our mortal body( is dissolved, it is only AGE-LASTING as the corruptible will be raised incorruptible at the end of this age. Those whose earthly house were dissolved shall be brought with Him at the end of this age. They are only “asleep” as they have departed from this earth for the duration of this age. Those who sleep in Jesus will God bring with Him back to earth and given a body as determined by Him. They will be resurrected AT the last day of this age...being given a body as determined by Him. 1 Corinthians 15:38 .

Concerning them which are "asleep" = those believers in Christ who mortally perished. They believed in Christ but were led astray by false prophets to their mortal deaths.

1Th 4:13-15 KJV
(13) But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.

(14) For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

We “which are alive and remain” are the “living” who will never die throughout this age unto the coming of the Lord. They will remain here in this earth until the resurrection of the dead who had mortally perished.

(15) For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

Christ BOTH died and rose and revived so that He might be Lord of BOTH the dead (those who Christians who mortally perished…who “sleep” in Him) and the living…..those who will NEVER DIE mortally but will live to the very end of this age where they will be changed from mortal to immortal (the redemption of the body).

Rom 14:7-9 KJV
(7) For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself.
(8) For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.

(9) For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.

Those who are alive and remain....the living.... WAIT here in this earth until the redemption of their body….the change from mortal to immortal. We do NOT DIE while we wait for the redemption of our mortal bodies.

Rom 8:23 KJV
(23) And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.

We are sealed in this mortal body....the earnest...UNTO the day of redemption which happens at the very end of this age. We have an age-lasting life until then. We shall never die until we are changed from mortal to immortal thereby circumventing death completely in Christ.

Eph 4:30
(30) And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
(31) Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice:

(32) And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.

Multiple immigration sweeps reported across Los Angeles, with a tense standoff/protest downtown; SEIU union leader arrested

Father of three Marines beaten by masked federal agents, set to be released from immigration facility

The father of three U.S. Marines who was violently tackled and beaten by masked federal agents in Orange County is scheduled to be released on bond after spending 20 days in federal custody.

Mexican father of 3 U.S. Marines in California gets deportation reprieve

A federal immigration judge has ended the deportation case against Narciso Barranco, the Mexican father of three U.S. Marines whose arrest on video showing masked federal agents pinning him down and punching him outside an IHOP in Southern California went viral last year.

Rigo Hernandez, 44, told The Times that the judge terminated his stepfather’s case during a virtual hearing on Jan. 28.

At the time [of the arrest], the Department of Homeland Security denied Barranco’s shoulder had been dislocated and blasted him on social media, accusing him of assaulting federal law enforcement with the weed whacker.

But ... no charges were ever filed against him.

During his father’s hearing last month, Hernandez felt anxious, he said, as the judge listened to arguments from attorneys representing his father and the Department of Homeland Security. But he started to feel slightly better as the judge’s questions started to lean in favor of his father.

Since the ruling, Hernandez said, his father no longer has to wear an ankle monitor or check in with federal immigration officials. The ruling also means he’ll be able to get his bond money back.

“He still has to settle his legal status,” he said. “But this clears the way for that.”

...his father’s attorney petitioned for him to be put into a federal program [Parole in Place] that allows immediate family members of U.S. citizens or military service members to temporarily remain in the country and apply for a work visa.

Barranco’s attorney, Lisa Ramirez, said it was the Parole in Place program that ultimately helped convince the judge that his case should be dropped.
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The origin of the Left and Right in politics.

The actual divide is between those who see God as the ultimate moral authority and those who see man as the ultimate authority. The video is somewhat over simplified, but it is not far off. However, the division goes all the way back to Babylon or further. When the Roman Church strayed from the teachings of Christ, they tried to make themselves the moral authority. The Roman Church and many other denominations strayed, but modern Communism and Globalists are clear in their demands to submit to them over God and His word. It is no different from those who deny God and make themselves their own little gods to dictate their morals on an individual level. The “right” and “left” division might be a simplified way of looking at it. However, I have known left wing people who had no intention of imposing their moral standard on me, and I have known right wing people, who claim to believe in God, who have imposed their personal moral standard on me without deference to Christ. It all comes down to making human authority above divine authority.
I agree, I think ultimately it is about who is the moral authority. I think this traces back to the original deception about who had authority in the garden.
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Divine Self-Giving and the Limits of Palamism

The essence-energies distinction was born in apologetics, not encounter.
not true, it’s before St Gregory by centuries, and not just in apologetics. it was born in encounter. the distinction was clarified precisely because the encounter was being denied.


The experience it was meant to protect becomes subordinate to maintaining the framework's coherence.
not what is happening here.

Soon the experience itself comes to be seen as an elite enterprise that must be managed and controlled.
also not true since there is no elitism to manage or control.


And that can be leveraged in the form of spiritual abuse to protect perceived institutional or personal interests.
just like anything if it gets twisted beyond its intent.

you’re not providing any real critique.
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Christian Music Icon Sandi Patty Calls on President Trump To Apologize to ‘America, Especially Black America’

I'd settle for something like this: "I see now how offensive the video was, and I apologize for posting it. From now on, I will personally oversee anything that is posted in my name on Truth Social to ensure that nothing like this happens again." And then follow through.

Repentance, confession, amendment of life.
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Trump suggests he’ll release Jeffrey Epstein ‘client list’ if elected: ‘I’d have no problem with it’

Goldman Sachs' top lawyer Kathy Ruemmler to resign after emails show close ties to Jeffrey Epstein

Up until her resignation, Ruemmler repeatedly tried to distance herself from the emails [written to "Uncle Jeffrey"] and other correspondence and had been defiant that she would not resign from Goldman’s top legal post, which she had held since 2020.
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Israel-Hamas Thread II

Israel came under criticism in 2016 when it arrested World Vision's Gaza director, Mohammed El Halabi, for collaborating with Hamas. European diplomats, United Nations representatives, and so-called “humanitarian” NGOs accused Israel of convicting an innocent man.

Three documents from the Hamas Ministry of Interior and National Security (MoINS) prove that Halabi, who served as director of World Vision's Gaza operations, was a Hamas activist and diverted aid funds to the terrorist organization.

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Try that in a MAGA town. PA couple allegedly beats woman after asking her ethnicity: 'This is MAGA town'

Note to self - as an Aussie, if I ever find myself in the US and the conversation turns to pyrotechnics, don't fondly reminisce about "cracker night".
Britain sent a lot of their crackers to Oz as well.
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hello to everyone

Just a brief introduction about myself. I am not sure if I was a previous member or not? But anyways I was saved at the age of 19 - but have attended Sunday school since I was about 6 years of age. I first acknowledged God at the age of 12 when I beheld his creation one morning walking along the footpath with my sibling brother. From there I held bible studies at home at the age of 17 but realized they were JW's and stopped them from coming in time. The Jesus facto however became reality a few years later! and I am now approaching 63 years of age. By the grace of God I still stand today; and my background is i have served in evangelism, and on the the mission field, and have openly preached behind pulpits in Sunday services and prayer meetings also, I have conducted open air evangelism on the streets and in high schools to the unsaved. I am a graduate ✔️ of full-time Bible college and graduated with paper in hand and I feel by Gods grace i have somewhat to contribute and share my experiences and also my current understanding of the scriptures. Sometimes I write with great sharpness, but that is intended for edification and never to anyone's destruction! Anyways a brief introduction and hello to every one
Welcome!
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Can a faithful Christian be damned for not being baptized?

. Plain H20 has no power to cleanse the heart from sin and regenerate the new believer. As for water that does cleanse the heart (living water) see John 4:10,14; 7:37-39.
God has all power. Water is an instrument used by God in Baptism. Jesus told the blind man to wash in the Pool of Siloam. So too the water was an instrument, it was Jesus that made him see. Clement of Alexandria said:

"When we are baptized, we are enlightened. Being enlightened, we are adopted as sons. Adopted as sons, we are made perfect. Made perfect, we become immortal . . . ‘and sons of the Most High’ [Ps. 82:6]. This work is variously called grace, illumination, perfection, and washing. It is a washing by which we are cleansed of sins, a gift of grace by which the punishments due our sins are remitted, an illumination by which we behold that holy light of salvation” (The Instructor of Children 1:6:26:1 [A.D. 191)."
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anyone know anything about Gematria?

Grace
( Part 3 )

The 1012th prime number is 8053 (Verify Here)!
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:) grace from Benaiah468 :)


The first occurrence of 8053 in Phi is followed by the #153.
28121042762177111777805315317141011704666599
...................................^ <-- 447th digit

Preceding the #8053 is numeric string 111,777
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111 + 777 = 888 Jesus

I am the LORD thy God

אני יהוה אלהיך

(Original Text)
153

The first occurrence of grace
appears in Bk 1 Genesis 6:8 (Verify Here)!


"And Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD."
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in the eyes of the LORD בעיני יהוה (Original Text) 26+142 = 168


168 appear at digit of 2701.png


2701 × 168 = 453,768 = 453 + 768 = 1221

The English words
praise + Jesus appear exactly 1221 times
in the Entire King James 1769 Bible (Verify Here)!

The last occurrence of grace appears in the last verse:

The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.
(Plain English Standard) = 3,885

3
+ 885 = 888 Jesus

8
×8×8 = 512

Revelation 5_12 ( Worthy is the Lamb that was slain ).png


2701 × 888 = 2,398,488
1 + 398 + 488
888

God came to the earth in the flesh
אלהים בוא ארץ בשר
basar erets bow elohim

H1320 H776 H935 H430
(Hebrew Standard)
888

The English name + title
Jesus Christ appears exactly 196 times
in the Entire King James 1769 Bible (Verify Here)!

888 × 196 = 174,048 = 174+048 = 222

The English words
wisdom + truth each appear in 222 verses
in the King James 1769 Bible (Verify Here + Here)!

The first occurrence of
Noah _ Daniel _ Job in the same verse: appear in
the King James 1769 Bible in Ezekiel 14:14 (Verify Here)!
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14 × 14 = 196


Bk Chapter Verse 111 = 7 Hebrews Words 28 Hebrew Letters.png


7 Hebrew words × 28 Hebrew Letters = 196

Lucifer said in:

Isaiah 14:14
I will ascend above the heights
of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

Jesus

Ezekiel 14
:14
Though these three men, Noah, Daniel, and Job, were in it, they
should deliver but their own souls by their righteousness, saith the Lord GOD.
והיו שלשת האנשים האלה בתוכה נח דנאל ואיוב המה בצדקתם ינצלו נפשם נאם אדני יהוה
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Noah Daniel and Job נח דנאל ואיוב (Original Hebrew) 25 + 85 + 58 = 168

The first occurrence of 973 in Pi appears at position #783.
9999983729780499510597317328160963185950244
..............................................^ <-- 783rd digit

7 × 8 × 3 = 168

The English name
Jesus appears precisely 973 times in
the Entire King James 1769 Bible (Verify Here)!

wisdom G4678 σοφια (Greek Ordinal) = 64
wisdom H2451 חכמה
(Hebrew Ordinal) = 37
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64 × 37 = 2368

Noah Daniel Job ( 168 + 78 + 42 ) = 288.png



The first occurrence of 2368 in Pi is followed by the #288.
44521274739245449454236828860613408414863776
...........................................^ <-- 7,481st digit

Jesus Christ Ιησου Χριστου (Original Text) = 2368
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In the beginning Jesus Christ (English Ordinal) 288

Surrounding 2368 are 454 + 288.
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454 + 288 = 742

totient of 888 = 288.png


The English phrase
I am appears precisely 742 times in
the Entire King James
1769 Bible (Verify Here)!
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I am Jesus

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