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Keeping people down, who could climb up if you'd leave them alone

If you consider Indian reservations, the Roman bread and circuses, black ghettos, or Appalachia, one finds all sorts of examples of the corrosive effect of subsidization.
I think you’ll find it’s more likely the deprivation caused by a society that marginalised such areas that is the problem. America has a proud history of victimising certain peoples to it’s own advantage and then abandoning them to history.

Funny how subsidises never have that corrosive effect on businesses.
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Another look at the moon landing.

If it was, I'd tell you that English has a capital "E" and a question needs a question mark.

I deliberately wrote it like this too see what you'd say.

No, I meant what you should say is that you don't believe there are any galaxies. That doesn't mean there aren't any, only that you don't believe it

Prove it .........
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Chatting With AI ‘Saints’ — Opportunity or Peril?

Can you elaborate? How can a machine “learn”???
It's mainly pattern recognition.

It's very similar to how people train "muscle memory" through experience and/or training. The best example of application of muscle memory is in driving. Spectacular examples of it in gymnastics, martial arts, figure skating, ballet.

Such process can give rise to logic if certain patterns are reinforced such those that define reality, cause and effect in the real world. So it won't just repeat or "parrot" what people say if what people say contradicts reality.

But not in the strictest sense because AI must also account for Political Correctness which is part of its training so it's not going to tell you that God does not exist. At least not by default...

I was also able to test chatgpt in made-up scenarios to force it to innovate and surprisingly, it was able to come up with original ideas. AI or LLMs have certainly come a long way. Definitely a force to reckon with now.
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Another look at the moon landing.

What's this, an english lesson ^_^
If it was, I'd tell you that English has a capital "E" and a question needs a question mark.

No, I meant what you should say is that you don't believe there are any galaxies. That doesn't mean there aren't any, only that you don't believe it.
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Historic Poll Devastates Democrats: Worst Voter Approval Rating in 35 Years

The thing is if the economy gets hit that hard, those programs wont survive. Those programs NEED a flourishing economy to actually have any chance of success. Capitalism has to be very active and growing. But the left is this country are anti-capitalist. Its a dichotomy that will never work. But Americans will try it, if they get hit too hard with a bad economy.
We have to keep the rich, rich, in order to keep the present system...of keeping the rich, rich!?

Okaaaay.
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The ‘woke’ words Democrats should cut from their vocabulary

What, exactly, is your major objection to "Clintonomics"? (I assume you're referring to Bill and not Hillary -- and by people who brought that, you're referring to Carville?) While I'd admit that Carville's advice is a little stale (he got quite a bit of mileage out of that 'it's the economy stupid' quote...but that's determining wins and losses to the degree it used to)

By most available metrics, it would appear that economy under Bill Clinton was fairly stable.

- GDP growth under him was better than had been since 1970
- He still holds the record for job creation (22.7 million new non-farm/non-government payroll jobs added - about 236,000 jobs per month on average - the fastest for any presidential term).
- Inflation went from 6% down to 2.6%
- Unemployment halved
- Tax revenues up, federal spending down (it was the last time we had a surplus)
- Welfare rolls dropped, home ownership rate per capita increased by 5%


The reason they're losing has nothing to do with "being too much like Bill Clinton"... if modern day Democrats were more like Bill Clinton, they'd be winning. (socially moderate, economically a touch left of center)

Kamala Harris caught on to what the problem is that the democrats have, but she did it about 2 months too late. Politico (I believe it was them, but perhaps it was HuffPo) did a piece about it entitled "Harris pivots towards patriotism" -- in which they detailed how she attempted to distance herself from the extremes, and started projecting the message that it's okay liberals to wave the American flag, be proud of their country, and all of the great things America has done. It was just too little too late.

Which, ironically enough, is the approach Bill Clinton used to win over the moderates... it was what became known in "politics talk" as the "Sister Souljah Moment"

That moment where you publicly stand up to the more radical element of your own base in order to signal to the independents/moderates and the other side that you're not going to be captured by the extremes.


Whenever I see progressive people try to dissect it and determine "why are we not winning", they're overthinking it.

"It's because she didn't signal enough to the blue collar workers that she'd fight for more pro-union policies"
"It's because she didn't signal enough that she would stand up to the big banks and the corporate CEOs"
"It's because her voting record didn't sufficiently demonstrate that she'd prioritize the workers over the investor class"


None of that is the reason why she lost....

Bill Clinton did none of those things, and he cruised to victory twice.
Obama gave it a C+ (and that may be being generous) effort in regards to those things, he cruised to victory twice.


I like Bill Maher's quote about it "You're pandering to people who are even crazier than the person you're running against. You lost a crazy contest against an actual crazy person"

Strong GDP growth is meaningless if it doesn't translate to rising living standards. Clinton's economy worked great for the investor class you mentioned, but real wages actually stagnated during the "boom".

GDP alone is meaningless. If most Americans got diabetes, for instance, the GDP would go up, but we'ld hardly consider that evidence that people were better off.
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Difference between praying in your native tongue compared to other language?

By accident I prayed the lord's prayer in Romanian. It just came out, I intended it in English. One hour after I fell asleep, I woke up with the thought of some hideous black creature moving towards me. Everything felt real.

It just doesn't make any sense. I know the English language very well. There's no reasonable explanation for this other than... the demons are tied to the geographical location, and only understand the local language. Whatever it is, it is highly affected by the Romanian language.

I do not believe I am the first to notice this. (And if I am, it is very bad. New tactics, new hidden measures...)
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What did they teach you in school , flat or round earth?

I know this but why would Elihu say this if it weren't true ?

Maybe Job's friend really believed he was right even though he wasn't. You have yourself said lots of things that's not true in this and other threads. Same reason?
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Cracker Barrel loses almost $100 million.

Wokeness is all about unwanted change.
Yes but “whatever got us here is just fine, don’t change anything” isn’t really reasonable, either.
Arguing about where the change-line is, is what politics is all about.
And it’s always been this way, we’ve fought for forever and will continue to do so.
Why’s this “bad”?
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Cracker Barrel loses almost $100 million.

People.... Cracker Barrel is all about the sides.
Well, the ol’ “there’s no such thing as bad publicity!”, yeah. Part of the desire to change the logo is to generate arguments over the changes, then the company will weather the “storm” of people thinking about their company more than if the company had left the logo the same…all the way to the bank.
The -$100m in value is a nice way to make a buck if people were “smart enough” (or “inside-enough”?), to short the stock.
Yup, if we still had journalists in this country we might find out if anyone close to Cracker Barrel’s management shorted any stock.
Give it two months.
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Cracker Barrel loses almost $100 million.

What's God's opinion on being in a christian forum?
What does God say about being in a christian forum if you're an atheist?

I mean, we could come up with a long list of these type of questions if ya think about it.
Yeah, but we’re all friends here, you see.
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ICE notifies Kilmar Abrego Garcia's lawyers of possible deportation to Uganda after Tennessee jail release

The president sets the policy. Yes, the state troopers could have given him a citation for speeding and having no driver's license. In fact my point was that typically they would give at least one citation. They didn't pull him over for human trafficking, they recognized a human trafficking situation.
Didn’t the local/state cops call the FBI who told them that the Feds weren‘t interested?
Maybe the LEOs on the ground decided that the guy wasn't worth their time?
”Officer discretion“.
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Trump suggests he’ll release Jeffrey Epstein ‘client list’ if elected: ‘I’d have no problem with it’

Because you are demanding or at least castigating someone for behaving in a way that you and everyone other human on this planet behaves. Its hypocritical.
Yeah, but as you say, we’re all guilty of it, so trying to use it as a point-of-contention is disingenuous.
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Trump Threatens Federal Takeover of Washington After Member of DOGE Is Assaulted

Apparently, it's not working...
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These numbers are weeks old, given the attention-dearth Americans have fallen into, is would have been 6-8 months ago in The Before Times*.

*2015
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Biden Appointed Judge Orders Release of ‘Teens’ Who Violently Attacked Ex-DOGE Employee Edward Coristine, AKA “Big Balls”

Hahaha! The last part of my post is contained in the thread title. So yeah, it's relevant.
But we don’t know why the defendants have been released.

Arguing about the “why” they were released, serves little purpose other than to have something to wrangle over, which, as forum-fare goes, is a bread-and-butter topic.

I’m only here to point out our present paucity of facts.
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Florida officials deny accusations of inhumane conditions at Alligator Alcatraz

In an op-ed published by the New York Times on July 11, Esau McCaulley — a theology professor at Wheaton College in Illinois and author of the forthcoming children's book "God's Colorful Kingdom Storybook Bible" — examines the role Christianity plays in the anti-Trump resistance. And the op-ed's headline poses the question: "Is the Christian Resistance to Trump Growing?"

"For too long," McCaulley argues, "this administration has presented itself as the only defender of Christianity while it engages in merely symbolic gestures like posting Bible verses or publicizing worship services in the White House. Frederick Douglass described this type of performance: 'Religion simply as a form of worship, an empty ceremony, and not a vital principle, requiring active benevolence, justice, love and good will towards man.' I fail to see how you can shout glory to God one minute and laugh about the harsh conditions of Alligator Alcatraz the next."

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counterpoint (hat tip Michie)

Christians can 'love all people' and support 'Alligator Alcatraz,' Evangelical group says

Sharayah Colter, chief communications officer at The Danbury Institute, a nonpartisan association of Evangelical churches based in Dallas, Texas, says while the controversy over the facility is likely to continue, Evangelicals and other Christians “should support earnest efforts to secure the nation and to uphold law and order.”

“People inside and outside of America are taught by the actions of the nation that our laws are impotent,” she added. “It is wrong to convey to people that it is OK to break the law since Scripture calls people to obey the laws of the land so far as they do not cause a person to break God’s law. When a nation passes laws, the righteous thing to do is to uphold and enforce those laws. To act otherwise is both wrong and cruel.”

[Not sure where the alligators come in. Probably through gaps under the fence, yuk yuk.]

Wheaton is a northern Evangelical college.

In my experience, southern Evangelicals are alot less willing to question racist dog-whistles like appeals to "law and order", than northern Evangelicals.
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