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How is "glory" different from "ego"?

God is love, and that, before His omnipotence, omnipresence, omni-whatever is His real glory, that which makes Him worthy of praise and worship. He’s sheer, pure, ineffable, infinite goodness itself. And that love is the opposite of pride or narcissism. It’s self-giving, not self-seeking. And when we’re oriented towards it, towards Him, as acknowledging the highest good, then we, too, participate in that goodness, and are existing in a state of true justice/righteousness, as we’re then valuing the right thing above all else. God is sharing Himself with us, and that experience, itself, is 100% exaltation, happiness, uncompromised satisfaction, the fulfillment of all possible human desire. It’s what we thirst for, and were created for, without yet knowing it, or fully knowing it.
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Mass Shooting at Annunciation Catholic Church/School in Minneapolis

Millions of Americans pose no risk at all for any reason. Yet we still have lots of gun deaths and it isnt stopping anyone from relying to limit their rights to a gun. What we do know is that the majority of these mass shootings or even self inflicted gun deaths are committed by those who have mental health problems and are often on drugs for the conditions. So, it we are really serious about this, limiting them from having guns will have prevented the majority of these shootings and will prevent a whole host of gun deaths.
I agree in principle. However, my point is that you have to somehow identify them. How do you propose we go about doing that? Obviously, we cannot rely upon a self-report check box on a firearm purchase form.
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Here’s how the first proteins might have assembled, sparking life

Yup.

We call those people: "mission fields."
Who? are these proteins ? (haha(God Laughs at the schemes of the wicked) , ugh)
"They shall fall and not arise; and even if they would try to repent, they will not do so.

5Why then is this people of Jerusalem perpetually backsliding? They hold fast to deceit, they refuse to repent.

6I have given ear and heard, but they did not speak aright; no one repented of his evil, saying, What have I done? All of them walk according to their own will, as a horse that rushes into the battle.

7Yea, the stork in the sky knows her appointed times; and the turtle-dove and the crane and the swallow observe the time of their coming; but my people know not the judgment of the LORD.

8How do you say, We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us? Lo, surely the lying pen of the scribes has made it for falsehood.

9The wise men are ashamed, they are defeated and caught because they have rejected the word of the LORD, and there is no wisdom in them.

10Therefore I will give their wives to others and their fields as a spoil; for every one from the least even to the greatest deals treachery, from the prophet even unto the priest every one deals falsehood.

11And they try to heal the wound of the daughter of my people mockingly, saying, Peace, peace, when there is no peace.

12Now they are ashamed because they have committed abomination, but the impudent are not at all ashamed, neither do they know what chastisement is. Therefore they fall among the fallen; in the time of their punishment they shall be overthrown, says the LORD.

13I will surely consume them, says the LORD; there are no grapes on the vine nor figs on the fig tree, and the leaves are fallen down; and the things that I have given them are passed away from them.

14And they shall say, Why do we dwell here? Let us gather together and let us enter into the fortified cities and let us be silent there; for the LORD our God has silenced us and has given us bitter water to drink because we have sinned against the LORD.

15We looked for peace, but no good came; and for a time of healing, and behold distress has befallen us!
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How the prosperity gospel has driven Nigerian Christians away from Christ

Perhaps, but I would argue not since the entire movement is neo-gnostic heresy, and ethics outside of Christ are meaningless.

I doubt the recipients of Project Angel Food would agree that Marianne Williamson's ethics are meaningless.

Just keep in mind Marianne Williamson was raised a nominal Jew, not a Christian.
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Here’s how the first proteins might have assembled, sparking life

Yup.

We call those people: "mission fields."
What group are you in that denies Scripture ? (God does not call them , those particular ones who refuse to turn to God , that refuses to give up serving demons, anything good , remotely or future, at all. )
..unless, though it does not look that way, you refer to the one third that dies .....
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Chicago Mayor - the city is safe needs no help

What has Trump done for you lately? This is exactly whiny I have given up trying to reason with the left. Can you think of a single thing Trump has done that you like or agree with? Anything?
Should I take that as a no, you're not going to answer my question?

-- A2SG, figured as much, but I decided to give you the benefit of the doubt anyway....
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What to do about a bad heart?

Try to praise Him, even if you don't feel like it.
I would strongly advise you to not heed this advice.
Whatever you say to God, it better be from your heart
and you had better mean it.

Otherwise, you will find yourself in even more trouble than you started.

God told me He hates flattery. And it is disrespectful.
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Chicago Mayor - the city is safe needs no help

Yes, it's a good thing if murders have ceased. The reasons why that happened (assuming it has, that is) might be questionable, but that's a different issue.

So, I've answered your question. Care to answer mine?


I didn't say anything about that, one way or the other. I don't live there, so it's not something I have any cause to appreciate or not appreciate.

-- A2SG, what has he done for me, lately?
What has Trump done for you lately? This is exactly whiny I have given up trying to reason with the left. Can you think of a single thing Trump has done that you like or agree with? Anything?
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Under RFK Jr.'s Leadership, CDC Launches Large Wasteful Study on Vaccines and Autism

Where is your evidence?
Do you mean evidence that those are really my children's behaviors and they are representative of DDS [short-bus] autism?
Or evidence that my ASD1 children & I were successfully mainstreamed* [a.k.a. long-bus autism]?
Your source does not discuss this.
From page 5,
DDS autism cases: Typically are the more substantially disabled among those on the autism spectrum. (Lake, 2014).

*My ASD1 son was accelerated in his math classes and I participated in gifted classes. Having autism & giftedness at the same time is called "twice exceptional." It is abbreviated 2e.
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Chicago Mayor - the city is safe needs no help

Is it a good thing that murders have ceased since Trump sent the national guard or not?
Yes, it's a good thing if murders have ceased. The reasons why that happened (assuming it has, that is) might be questionable, but that's a different issue.

So, I've answered your question. Care to answer mine?

The DC mayor thinks so and showed her appreciation for Trump. So why cant you?
I didn't say anything about that, one way or the other. I don't live there, so it's not something I have any cause to appreciate or not appreciate.

-- A2SG, what has he done for me, lately?
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Are we spiritual beings or just spiritually minded and/or spiritually filled?

All my life as a Christian, having been brought up predominately in a Baptist church, I was taught that humans are not just physical but also have a spiritual entity that can continue to live beyond our phyisical death. However, recent study of the Bible teaches me that this is untrue.

I believe that we have been interpreting and using the word spirit as if that word means the same thing of given the same classification.

The bible does tell us, and I am sure most will agree that God is spirit. I also believe God exists as God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. Other created spiritual beings are the angels, both holy and fallen angels, including Lucifer, plus the Beasts mentioned in Revalation.

Now, when it comes to humans, Adam being the first created human, the bible states Gen 2:7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. This verse is plain and simple stating the two ingredients of which humans are made/created. What we are told by bible teachers that this verse is saying we received a 'soul' or 'a spiritual entity' that now never dies. Why do they interpret that the breath of life or spirit of God that makes us alive as being an actual spiritual entity? God clearly states to Adam that due to his disobedience to God, that Adam would, Gen 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return. While we are alive, Job 27:3 All the while my breath is in me, and the spirit of God is in my nostrils;. Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it. This clearly says that the spirit of God is the breath of life that sustains us as living human beings, not a separate spiritual being!

The bible does teach us that we (believers) will become spiritual beings in the future as Christ did after he died on the cross as a human being. The Son of God became a sinless human being through the union of the seed of Mary and the Holy Spirit. Jesus lived in complete dependence on the Father, Greek term Kenosis. Philippians 2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:. Jesus emptied himself, however not completely cut off from divine knowledge. Jesus still read peoples thoughts and performed miracles, through the will of the Father. John 5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.

When we read the whole chapter of 1 Corinthians 15, Paul fully explains the resurrection. Yet most Christians use, misquote and take out of context, 2 Cor 5:8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord., to explain away every other verse and the entire chapter Paul wrote on the resurrection. I would describe 2 Cor 5:8 in this way... Imagine you have a wonderful holiday booked in a month's time, however you are still stuck at your mundane job. You could quite easily think, 'Oh, how I would rather be enjoying tha holiday now rather than being here at work!' It will happen, but I still have work to do first. Yes, we would rather be in heaven with Christ, however we still have many 'not yet Christians' to show them who Jesus is, the way, the truth and the life.

! Cor 15:
20 But now is Christ risen fro
23 I believe all believers go to heaven at the same time. Not before Christ returns. What do you believe the bible teaches? Not what man teaches; what does the Word of God tell us?

Hi Bill, Yes, Christ meets us in the air when he returns. I didn't say otherwise. Yes, Jesus returned to heaven to build us a mansion. I didn't mention. You mention a seven year period but gave no bible verse and have not made mention of anything I wrote about. I am puzzled at your response.
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Air Force to provide funeral honors to Ashli Babbitt

7th keeper you say she was part of the exact mob. Meaning that if I belong to Democrat or Republican Party or the proud boys that gives you the right to shoot me ?
Depends on what you are doing. It certainly doesn't exclude it. If you were breaking in to my house in the US for example, yes, I do believe I'd have the right to shoot you. As the guard/police in the case of Babbitt, as she was breaking in. See what you tried to do there?
You immediately tried to conflate the issue, as if it was just about being part of a group or party or whatever, and not what she was doing. She was part of a mob trying to force their way in, trying to stop a lawful democratic process. The issue is in what she and that group were doing. But I can understand why you'd try to gloss over that.

And so what if she was was first through the breach but was she the one trying to bang the door at the final breach ? No she wasn’t she was quite a distance away occupied with other people. What am I down playing ? Nothing. Only that an officer broke under pressure but the protesters did back off at the site of his drawn gun.
She didn't back off. She was heading straight through. After being warned not to. With people those police were supposed to protect behind them. She wasn't quite a distance away, we literally have the link to the video showing her going through the breach in the door when she gets shot.
A bullet to the ceiling would have been adequate enough for everyone to get the message loud and clear. Do I hold the officer accountable. No I don’t due to the pressure of a highly charged situation.
A bullet to the ceiling indoors? Yeah, let's just hope no one is up there and it's not a thin ceiling. You really have never had any firearms training, have you? They were already aware there was a gun and they'd been warned about what would happen if they tried to go through.

As to you saying with my example of down playing the matter with other protests . Am I ? Considering the that Floyd jones protests were a thousand fold more destructive with hundreds of businesses being raised to the ground and with a much higher loss of life for protester and law enforcement alike. I down play nothing despite what you claim . Even more so considering that the matter of the January protest was over in within a day what I take issue with is the callous coldness of contempt from some here that now label her as traitor. She was a patriot and loyal to her country and never a traitor who tragically lost her life due to the circumstances on that fateful day. About the only sad thing here is the unforgiving spirit of those who here now try to belittle her name even more by now labelling her as a traitor. Ashley was never a traitor
She is a traitor. Betrayed her oaths, very literally. Trying to disrupt and destroy the democratic processes that make one's country what it is, isn't patriotism. She was anything but.
As to my final conclusion you must remember also that many millions of Americans believed that the 2020 election was stolen . Now wether the claims are true or not is not for me to determine here .
... So? Doesn't matter what they believed, they'd still be wrong.
Only that is was many that believed . So we must take that into consideration also that it was a powder keg waiting to spill over and explode . President Trump did offer Nancy Pelosi the services of the national guard weeks prior to the event. Tragically that advice wasn’t heeded and if it were and we wouldn’t be having this discussion here now .
Now here's where you make a false claim. Trump CLAIMS he made that offer, but there is no evidence of it ever being made. His military leadership even confirmed there was no formal offer made.
7th keeper there be enough hatred and unforgiveness in our world today without us adding to the flames. It is wise to let go in order to let life and love flourish once more.
I'm sorry, but... No. No as in, trying to paint a traitor who was killed in the middle of an insurrection attempt, as a patriot, is not "letting go". You're personally trying to fluff her up and make her into something that she's not. Lying about what she was and what happened, isn't letting love flourish.
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Under RFK Jr.'s Leadership, CDC Launches Large Wasteful Study on Vaccines and Autism

That's true. During COVID, the CDC ignored all kinds of science. You may recall that the top two vaccine regulators at the FDA resigned in protest over the unscientific recommendation of boosters for all.

Again, the politicization of the CDC is not a new problem.
They resigned over the timing of when to get boosters shots, not the science itself. They were not cooking the books like this admin.
And btw, this today: "COVID-19 Is Surging Again, And These States Are The Most At Risk Right Now"
Maybe it's time to refocus on the booster shots.
Then this: Increases in vaccine-preventable disease outbreaks threaten years of progress, warn WHO, UNICEF, Gavi.
Quacks in, quackery out.
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I believe that ALL who ever lived will be in God’s Kingdom

I was in a meeting one time (I was in my mid 20’s) with people who had mistaken me for a prophet, who were eager to hear what God was telling me … as we sat fellowshipping over the word I heard in my mind a thought go by me and could tell it was not aimed at me … after a little while and the meeting having ended, I asked this woman sitting across from me if she had a thought about not being able to have a child … she was astonished that I would know that … I simply replied it went by me to get to you, because that is what it felt like … the snare that is laid in vain in the sight of any bird is a thought … the thoughts that are earthly, sensual, devilish … this is what angels/children represent to me ... from one place ...

I had a dream three years after I accepted Jesus Christ as my personnel Lord and Savior that I awoke from sweating, huddled in the corner of my bed. In the dream I found myself in a small washed out gray cell in the corner of a bed in the twilight … the door had a small window in it, with three iron bars, from this window stared a beast whose face brought an uncontrolled horror over me … I could feel it’s hatred like a stifling presence pressing upon the room. The Lord said to me ... That was what was in you …
...the thoughts that are earthly, sensual, devilish … this is what angels/children represent to me ... from one place ...

Blessed is he who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks.
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Are we spiritual beings or just spiritually minded and/or spiritually filled?

But Christ does not come to earth when we are caught up together with Him.
He takes His bride to His Father's house first where He built each of us a mansion and we will abide there with Him 7 years before Jesus and His bride return to earth as one.
Hi Bill, Yes, Christ meets us in the air when he returns. I didn't say otherwise. Yes, Jesus returned to heaven to build us a mansion. I didn't mention. You mention a seven year period but gave no bible verse and have not made mention of anything I wrote about. I am puzzled at your response.
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