Always in His Presence said:

That is where you're missing it.

The polls are speaking of the total populist - the 78,000,000 are Republicans.

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Not sure how this makes your point.

Always in His Presence said:

What does that have to do with who likes ICE?

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You brought up how many people voted for deportations.

What did that have to do with who likes ICE?

In my experience I am amazed that you can have two study the same material under the same environment... And still have two totally different people of character. I am Pentecostal Holiness of doctrine... I was brought up under an evangelist turned preacher. He would have wonderful revivals as he would seek out people with great testimony for revival. He retired and we got one with a Masters Degree from Liberty University. We use to have 300 for Sunday School now there are barely one or two cars.

Gravity - True spirituality, like true mass... Has potential and drawing effect. Take away the spiritual and there is nothing there to draw. John Owen, when asked by King Charles why he, a great and learned scholar, went to hear an uneducated tinkerer like John Bunyan preach had this to say: "I would willingly exchange my learning for the tinkerer's power of touching men's hearts."

GoldenBoy89 said:

From AI:

As of October 2025, Donald Trump's approval rating on immigration is underwater, with disapproval outweighing approval in several polls, though figures vary by survey
. His approval on the issue is consistently higher among Republicans than among independents or Democrats.
Recent polling data includes:

• Quinnipiac University (Sept. 2025): 41% approve, 55% disapprove.
• Washington Post–Ipsos (Sept. 2025):44% approve, 55% disapprove.
• AP-NORC (July 2025): 43% approve, with a slight dip from 49% in March.
• Reuters/Ipsos (Sept. 2025): 42% approve, which was his highest rating on any single issue in that poll.
• Pew Research Center (June 2025): 42% approve, 47% disapprove of his overall approach to immigration.
• Gallup (June 2025): 35% approve, 62% disapprove.

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That is where you're missing it.

The polls are speaking of the total populist - the 78,000,000 are Republicans. If you ask your AI what is his approval on immigration among Republicans:

As of October 17, 2025, President Donald Trump (in his second term) maintains strong support on immigration policies among Republicans, despite a broader decline in overall public approval amid mass deportation efforts, protests, and economic concerns. Recent polls indicate Republican approval ratings on his immigration handling or deportation program ranging from 85% to 93%, with no major shifts reported since mid-summer.

Here's a summary of key findings from the most recent relevant national polls (June–July 2025, as no October-specific breakdowns are available):

Always in His Presence said:

What does that have to do with who likes ICE?

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It doesn't.

GoldenBoy89 said:

And let’s keep in mind, that 70 something million votes is still less than 1% more than Harris received.

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What does that have to do with who likes ICE?

The Liturgist said:

How do you know which Bibles my friend @Xeno.of.athens has?

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I know by reading his post.

Xeno.of.athens said:

And I have numerous Catholic bibles with 73 canonical books.

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It is what this whole thread is about.

NewLifeInChristJesus said:

The point is that it is not a slow fade. If Jesus were to exit our hearts, none of those things would continue to be true.

• We would not be one with the Father and the Son (Jn 17:22),
• We would not be in Him and He would not be in us (Jn 17:23),
• We would not be joined to the Lord and would not be one Spirit with Him (1 Cor 6:17),
• We would not have eternal life because life is in Jesus and Jesus would not be in us (1 Jn 5:11–12),
• We would not escape judgement because we had passed from life into death (Jn 5:24),
• With an veiled face, we would not behold the glory of the Lord and would not be transformed into the same image (2 Co 3:18),
• We would not be have the firstfruits of the Spirit, and we would not groan within ourselves, or eagerly await our adoption (Ro 8:23),
• We would not be earnestly desire clothing from above and would not have the Spirit as a guarantee (2 Co 5:1–5),
• We would not have the mind of Christ (1 Co 2:16),
• We would not know Him because He was not living in our hearts (Jn 14:19-23),
• He will have left us and forsaken us (Heb 13:5), and
• We would no longer be partakers of the divine nature (2 Pet 1:4).

And since you think it would be a slow fade, and not an instantaneous loss, I think it points to a difference of opinion on the residency of Jesus in a person's heart. And what I mean by that is that oneness with God is a spiritual matter. If we are one spirit with Him, that means our spirits are joined to His Spirt (1 Cor 6:17). And His exit from our hearts would be catastrophic. So I don't see how it's possible to believe on one hand that God's Spirit literally resides in our hearts and believe on the other hand that His exit from our hearts does not undo everything that His presence creates. In my mind, the only thing that reconciles those two beliefs is if oneness with God is something like "oneness in purpose" or "having the same mind" or "aliging ourselves with Him" or something along those lines.

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It's simpler than this. We simply enter a state of justice as we turn to God in faith-which is "just" because we were made for the union that results and being apart from God is a gross injustice for creation, for us. That justice consisits of the remsision of sin and a new heart and spirit with which to overcome sin, to be holy. If we remain there, in Him, if we don't seriously return to the flesh, we will remain in and grow in holiness. We can also turn back away from Him. Nearness to God=holiness as nearness to God=love. to put it anoither way. If we begin to persistenty engage in unloving acts, acts of the more nefarious and ugly kind, then we're most likely not His, or not remaining in Him. We're not forced to remaiin, He's not creating puppets.

Immanuel Kant- Tinted Sunglasses: Our mind organizes experiences in different ways. The mind (reason) and the senses both make important contributions to knowledge. Immanuel Kant’s reflection on Physics led him to develop a new theory of knowledge that combines rationalism and empiricism into a new synthesis called critical philosophy. Kant agrees with Hume that knowledge begins with experience, but disagrees to the experience sensual limitations. “Though our knowledge begins with experience, it does not follow that it rises out of experience. Just as a person wearing sunglasses sees things differently, so the human being sees things according to that structure.”

And to put all this nonsense together...

Spiritual E/c2 - Warmth as in love... c2 as in motivation
Material E/c2 - Since c2 is in the denominator makes for the potential of a lot of energy. Such energy makes up the atom. There are trillions of atoms within a single cell. There are trillions of cells within the human body.
Intellectual E/2 - The ability to figure all of this as a mathematical equation. Even so... The intellectual ability is neither spiritual or material. Merely a figment of the imagination.

And since these objects are different forms of reality apart from one another. we humans attempt to structure reality as we behold the mass. If our structure is really good an intelligence is developed. In Plato’s doctrine of the divided line it shows the progress through our vision of objects to intelligence. In book IV of his Republic Plato illustrates the doctrine of the divided line through an allegory about human beings imprisoned in a large cave. The darkness of the cave and the images of their reality reflect the lower level of living. Having a prisoner released and journeying upward through the cave into the actual outdoors reflects the gaining of knowledge. Upon gazing at the sun, he beholds the chief good and the highest form of intelligence. Having seen these things, he feels the responsibility of liberating his friends from their imprisoned minds. To become educated then means to pass from opinion to knowledge, to progress from what seems real to what is actually real.

Kathleen30 said:

The Palestinians probably have more Jewish blood running through their veins due to Abrahams son Ishmael.

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I agree, as wasn't it the Palestinians who were the original Jews to begin with ?

Always in His Presence said:

78,000,000 voted for the deportations -

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You gotta get with the times. Looking only at past elections doesn’t say much about how people are feeling today.

Most are now regretting their initial choice.

From AI:

As of October 2025, Donald Trump's approval rating on immigration is underwater, with disapproval outweighing approval in several polls, though figures vary by survey
. His approval on the issue is consistently higher among Republicans than among independents or Democrats.
Recent polling data includes:

• Quinnipiac University (Sept. 2025): 41% approve, 55% disapprove.
• Washington Post–Ipsos (Sept. 2025):44% approve, 55% disapprove.
• AP-NORC (July 2025): 43% approve, with a slight dip from 49% in March.
• Reuters/Ipsos (Sept. 2025): 42% approve, which was his highest rating on any single issue in that poll.
• Pew Research Center (June 2025): 42% approve, 47% disapprove of his overall approach to immigration.
• Gallup (June 2025): 35% approve, 62% disapprove.

And let’s keep in mind, that 70 something million votes is still less than 1% more than Harris received.

DaisyDay said:

That's one of those "we won't know what's in the bill until we pass the bill" things. This bill is not in its final form and contains no guarantees.

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No - it is a literal offer to negotiate for the ending of the Schumer Shutdown - It bring the issue up and guarantees a vote - you know - how democracy works at it's core.

Abraham1st said:

it has, amazing, the truth shall set us free=faith, and law was what we needed to be set free from.

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True, properly understood. We're free from the idea, the curse, that mere external observance of the commandments (=legalism), will actually make one holy. We're no longer under the law, IOW. We still must obey the commandments but in a new way that God has provided, His way, by the Holy Spirit. under grace.

Kathleen30 said:

Here’s a book that might interest you.

But anyway I wish you well in tracking down the tribe of Dan

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Thank you, I shall take a peek.

AV1611VET said:

All I hear you saying here is that we don't know the future second by second with 100% accuracy.

To that I agree.

So are you rejoicing about it? or complaining?

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I'm not doing either, just trying to get you guys to see it, etc.

Omniscience negates free will, etc.

BCP1928 said:

And Trump will give them the Department of Education back? A department he promised on the first day of his term to eliminate? LOL!

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Hans Blaster said:

They were fired, not furloughed. Funding the ED will not give their jobs back.

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Thanks - your answer is better than mine.

Paulos23 said:

American citizens. And the fault is ICE being over aggressive and even arresting citizens.

Whoever trained ICE really did a poor job. I have never seen any police being this community tone deaf.

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The problem is not ICE. The problem is violent groups like antifa. And people calling for them to be shot and killed.

RestoreTheJoy said:

For brutally attacking someone? Yes, they should get prison time.

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As teens, doubtful. And we are stretching "brutally" if that brutality didn't end up causing anything permanent. Doubt that's a legal term either.

Always in His Presence said:

John Thune offers Schumer vote deal to end government shutdown​

Senate Majority Leader John Thune said he has offered the Democratic leadership a vote on extending the Obamacare tax credits that are about to expire—if they get behind reopening the federal government from its more than two-week shutdown.​

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“We can guarantee you get a vote by a date certain,” Thune, a South Dakota Republican, told MSNBC in an interview published Thursday morning. “At some point, Democrats have to take ‘yes’ for an answer.”​

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That's one of those "we won't know what's in the bill until we pass the bill" things. This bill is not in its final form and contains no guarantees.

Fantine said:

Now if they just go after the rural entrepreneurs along I49 cooking meth out of sudafed.

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How would they get the boats there?

fhansen said:

Tradition would necessarily not disagree with Scripture. Whether or not they both share all that was revealed, at least materially, would be another question.

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No problem if all is in agreement with Scritpure. . .seriousu problem of error if any is not in agreement with Scripture or is an addition to Scripture.

An addition to Scripture, not being written down, suffers from modification over time.

Hazelelponi said:

There's no resistance to simple background checks. We already have them. You cannot purchase a gun without an extensive background check and someone's guns and gun rights can be removed for cause (someone threatening to commit suicide or murder, for example.)

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Most states don't require a background check for private sales or transfers of guns, and most don't have red flag laws that allow the removal of guns from people who might be a danger to themselves or others.