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Question on Gun Control - real life question asking for practical answers.

Mandatory registration. You have some kind of grace period, maybe a year or two depending on the logistics involved, in which people are free to come in and register their weapons, after which anybody found in possession of an unregistered weapon is guilty of a crime.
500,000,000 weapons - a whopping 0.028% of which are used in some type of crime. That leave 99.972% of that 500 million never used for criminal activity.

Let me explain - I have x number of weapons in my home right now - not one of which is registered - why? Because I don't have to. I'm not alone - there are tens of millions of gun owners just like me. How does the Government know what I do and do not have? There is no way for them to know.

What if someone changes their barrel?

In addition, it has been suggested and roundly defeated for reasons already cited. But your post bring something else up I would like to ask about.
All newly-created weapons should have their serial numbers and rifling patterns logged. It's probably unreasonable to log rifling patterns of existing weapons, but logging the new ones is better than nothing.
According to the ATF


Between 9.9 million and 13 million weapons are manufactured each year.

Picture what would be needed to build a database that would house 500,000,000 current weapons and 9-13 million additional weapons a year that would actively track them from manufacturer to subsequent owners - giving access to 3,142 counties and innumerable police departments.

While it is not a bad idea - I doubt if it is even partially obtainable from the start.
It's more practical than a lot of things we do. All it takes is money and willpower. We manage to stage elections every other year that are way more resource intensive than a gun registration.
Somehow I doubt that.

But thanks - It is an interesting point.
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Here’s the No. 1 fallacy on eternal security

"But I will harden his heart so that he will not let the people go." (Ex 4:21)

"Duplicitous" with Pharaoh?

Moral: Don't measure God by man's standards, such as duplicitousness.
Did Pharaoh let the people go? Did God get what He wanted, iOW? Do you think that God did not want the Jews to be set free?

Moral: Consider the whole story not just bits of it.
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Trump suggests he’ll release Jeffrey Epstein ‘client list’ if elected: ‘I’d have no problem with it’

Epstein List Could Be Read On House Floor Under Constitutional Immunity

Republican Representatives Thomas Massie and Marjorie Taylor Greene have said they would be willing to take advantage of a constitutional immunity rule to read the names of Jeffrey Epstein's associates allegedly involved in abuse.

But will she show us anyone's junk this time?
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Chicago Mayor - the city is safe needs no help

That's reductionist. You could LITERALLY put any number in there and say the exact same thing....

Try it!

"Oh and if 9 people get shot; 2 murdered in one weekend is not a sign of needing help, how many have to die before it is?
But it's so useful if you want an eternal military presence in our cities.
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Consequences of firing government employees - USDA says it accidentally fired officials working on bird flu and is trying to rehire them

That's not accurate. Most is inspected by other agencies, primarily the FDA and USDA.
Well, given what else Senator Kennedy had to say, I should have questioned his statements about NOAA.
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Here’s the No. 1 fallacy on eternal security

That's another error. God wanted Pharaoh to free His people. In fact, if His people were not freed then we'd have no faith to be discussing right now.
"But I will harden his heart so that he will not let the people go." (Ex 4:21)

"Duplicitous" with Pharaoh?

Moral: Don't measure/describe God by man's standards; e.g., whether or not God is "duplicitous."
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DeSantis to make Florida first state to end *all* vaccine mandates for schools

I have to admit, it's fascinating in a weird way to watch a once great nation fall lower and lower and more and more rapidly, not because of any external issues, but out of sheer internal stupidity.
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Chicago Mayor - the city is safe needs no help

oh and if 54 people shot, seven murdered in one weekend is not a sign of needing help - how many have to die before it is?
That's reductionist. You could LITERALLY put any number in there and say the exact same thing....

Try it!

"Oh and if 9 people get shot; 2 murdered in one weekend is not a sign of needing help, how many have to die before it is?
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Trump dispenses with trials, orders military strike on alleged Venezuelan drug-trafficking boat (Now up to 2, 3, 4...)

Legal Issues Raised by a Lethal U.S. Military Attack in the Caribbean

Although the facts are still emerging, the Trump administration’s extraordinary lethal attack on this purported smuggling vessel – and its vow that the strike was a start of a campaign – raise a number of significant potential legal issues. And even apart from these legal concerns, the strike constitutes a deeply troubling gratuitous use of the military that resulted in the unnecessary killing of 11 individuals.

Public reporting on the past interpretation of the assassination ban indicates that the U.S. executive branch has recognized two potentially relevant exceptions to the prohibition in recent decades: (1) actions taken in self-defense; and (2) use of lethal force consistent with the law of war.

With respect to self-defense, the Trump administration has indicated that it is countering the flow of drugs to the United States. But drug trafficking by itself does not constitute an “armed attack,” nor a threat of an imminent armed attack, for the purposes in international law. Nor does drug trafficking represent the predicate for self-defense commonly recognized as required for the invocation of self-defense under criminal law in the United States.

civilians directly participating in hostilities may also be made the object of attack. Smuggling drugs by itself does not render a civilian a combatant/fighter subject to status-based targeting. Nor does it constitute direct participation in hostilities. [with respect to the law of war]

Experts Say Trump Administration’s Deadly Boat Attack Amounts to Extrajudicial Killings

Experts say the administration’s deadly strike violated international law.

“Labeling someone a terrorist and deploying the military does not make them a military target,” Vincent Warren, executive director of the Center for Constitutional Rights, said in a statement to Truthout. “These actions amount to an extra-judicial killing, a violation of international law, which should raise extraordinary concerns.”

“Using military forces to kill alleged drug traffickers is an act of murder, not war,” Wells Dixon, a senior attorney with the Center for Constitutional Rights, told Truthout in a statement following the attack on Tuesday.

Civil rights attorney Alec Karakatsanis called the killings “extra-judicial assassinations — a preemptive death penalty with no process — for vague alleged nonviolent drug distribution offenses.”
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OCA and Macedonian Primates Concelebrate Divine Liturgy in Washington DC

North Macedonian.
That is what they agreed to in the fight with Greece over their illegitimate claim to the name, "Macedonia".
Unfortunately even our primates are ignorant of history.
Does no one recall that they were schismatics not many years back, that the Church was created by the communist government in a successful attempt to create a new national identity, completely cut off from their genuine heritage? Should they be rewarded now with recognition?
This doesn't sit well with me at all. Perhaps after a generation or two, but this is way too soon.
Correct, the country is the Republic of North Macedonia. However, the name of the Local Church there is Macedonian Orthodox Church - Archdiocese of Ohrid, MOC-OA. And since that the the name that the OCA has decided to use, that is what I'm using in this thread - especially since the article comes from the OCA herself.

The Churches of Serbia, Romania, Czech Lands and Slovakia, Constantinople, Russian, Georgian, Albanian, Antiochian, and, Jerusalem Churches; also recognize the Church in the same name as the OCA. The Bulgarian Church doesn't recognize the "Archdiocese of Ohrid" part and the Church of Greece (Athens) I don't believe recognizes the "Macedonia" part, but both still recognize her autocephaly. Not sure about the rest of the Greek Churches like Cyprus or Alexandria, but I think they just haven't recognized the autocephaly part.

And while she did begin as schismatic, as have many other currently autocephalous Local Churches, I think at the very minimum their return to canonical Orthodoxy is worth celebrating. I think it is also worth celebrating that part of their return included the reintegration of the then-Serbian-led Archdiocese of Ohrid previously led by a once imprisoned Archbishop Jovan of the Serbian Orthodox Church. He is now a part of the MOC-OA and from all reports all prior bad blood has been forgiven.
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Consequences of firing government employees - USDA says it accidentally fired officials working on bird flu and is trying to rehire them

TIL another job NOAA does is to inspect seafood entering the country
That's not accurate. Most is inspected by other agencies, primarily the FDA and USDA. NOAA only inspects as a fee for service and grading, and it is voluntary. The overwhelmingly vast majority is inspected by the FDA, including visiting other countries facilities. The NOAA service is centered around helping fisheries provide a product that is graded and can be advertised as such.
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Trump suggests he’ll release Jeffrey Epstein ‘client list’ if elected: ‘I’d have no problem with it’

Massie's discharge petition had 206 signatures as of Wednesday afternoon. It needs 218 to compel a vote on the House floor.

So far, four Republicans have signed on to the Massie and Khanna discharge petition -- a procedural tool to bypass GOP leadership and force a vote. Those signers include Massie, Reps. Nancy Mace, Marjorie Taylor Greene and Lauren Boebert.

‘She’s Trying to Take Down Trump’: Laura Loomer Slams ‘Despicable Traitor’ MTG for Joining Epstein Files Push

Far-right provocateur Laura Loomer is going scorched earth on Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.), accusing the congresswoman of betraying Donald Trump by joining a bipartisan push to unseal the long-buried files of Jeffrey Epstein

“There’s become two Americas,” Greene said during the press conference. “There’s the America for the rich and the powerful and the elite—where they never face any struggles or problems… And then there’s forgotten America that faces all the problems and deals with all the issues and never gets justice for being sexually assaulted and raped by a monster.”

“This isn’t one political party or the other,” she added. “It’s a culmination of everyone [who] worked together to silence these women and protect Jeffrey Epstein and his cabal.”

Greene later revealed on Real America’s Voice that she had received “a lot of pushback” from Trump’s orbit for supporting the petition—but stopped short of blaming Trump himself.

Will the true protectors of Donald Trump please stand up? Is it the group trying to hide the files or the group trying to expose the files?
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Here’s the No. 1 fallacy on eternal security

That's another dodge. . . in relation to Pharaoh, who was commanded by God to do what God did not want him to do.
That's another error. God wanted Pharaoh to free His people. In fact, if His people were not freed then we'd have no faith to be discussing right now.
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The Baptism of the Holy Spirit in Acts 2

Two baptisms then?
Hebrews 6:1 Therefore, leaving the discussion of the elementary principles of Christ, let us go on to perfection, not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God, of the doctrine of baptisms, of laying on of hands, of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. And this we will do if God permits. ..

I agree with the writer of Hebrews - baptisms - plural
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Consequences of firing government employees - USDA says it accidentally fired officials working on bird flu and is trying to rehire them

NOAA firings [from a meteorologist]

I don't get involved with politics on this page, but I can't stay silent anymore. DOGE today announced a 10% staff reduction at NOAA which includes the National Weather Service, Storm Prediction Center, National Hurricane Center, River Forecast Centers along with several other agencies. Around 1000 people at NOAA lost their jobs (with potentially more to follow), including ones that issue tornado warnings, produce aviation forecasts, and develop/maintain/improve our weather forecast models...scientists who are tasked "to protect life and property from natural disasters by providing weather forecasts and warnings".
TIL another job NOAA does is to inspect seafood entering the country. How might that harm people if staffing is down? Let Senator John Kennedy of Louisiana explain it.

He warned that shrimp is not being inspected – as it is supposed to be – by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, a US government agency tasked with ensuring the safety and quality of seafood entering the country.

‘This is what you could end up looking like if you eat the raw frozen shrimp being sent to the United States by other countries.'
[I mean, you should certainly cook any raw frozen shrimp you intend to consume. Or at least thaw it for ceviche.]

‘How could you end up looking like the alien in the “Alien”?

‘Because the shrimp was radioactive. I kid you not… It will kill you even if it does not turn you into the alien. If you eat this, I guarantee you that you will grow an extra ear.’
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Trump calls Epstein disclosures battle ‘a Democrat hoax’

Yup and the Democrats, who were and still are actively finding anything and everything to charge Trump with had all the information and the authority to release it - and did not - gotta ask why?

Who mentioned charging Trump?

I questioned why is he cotinuing to act guilty?
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The Baptism of the Holy Spirit in Acts 2

It's a long passage with many details. You think it is about a second baptism? A baptism in/with the Holy Spirit?
yup and it is demonstrated other places that the infilling was after Salvation.

Did repeating it help?

Notice the Writer of Hebrews

Hebrews 6:1 Therefore, leaving the discussion of the elementary principles of Christ, let us go on to perfection, not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God, of the doctrine of baptisms, of laying on of hands, of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. And this we will do if God permits. ...
Baptisms - plural.


****Humble request*** please stay on topic.
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Trump calls Epstein disclosures battle ‘a Democrat hoax’

Yup and the Democrats, who were and still are actively finding anything and everything to charge Trump with had all the information and the authority to release it - and did not - gotta ask why?
Most of the clamor for releasing the files can from far right corners. D's werent in the habit of gratifying far right people for no apparent good reason. Id ask: why does this even matter?

Trump absolutely knew Epstein was shady - it is why he has Epstein banned permanently from Mar a Lago.
Evidence suggests Trump knew something worth keeping secret was going on, and slyly encouraged it. Maybe the files will show otherwise. Maybe not.
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