And to put all this nonsense together...

Spiritual E/c2 - Warmth as in love... c2 as in motivation
Material E/c2 - Since c2 is in the denominator makes for the potential of a lot of energy. Such energy makes up the atom. There are trillions of atoms within a single cell. There are trillions of cells within the human body.
Intellectual E/2 - The ability to figure all of this as a mathematical equation. Even so... The intellectual ability is neither spiritual or material. Merely a figment of the imagination.

And since these objects are different forms of reality apart from one another. we humans attempt to structure reality as we behold the mass. If our structure is really good an intelligence is developed. In Plato’s doctrine of the divided line it shows the progress through our vision of objects to intelligence. In book IV of his Republic Plato illustrates the doctrine of the divided line through an allegory about human beings imprisoned in a large cave. The darkness of the cave and the images of their reality reflect the lower level of living. Having a prisoner released and journeying upward through the cave into the actual outdoors reflects the gaining of knowledge. Upon gazing at the sun, he beholds the chief good and the highest form of intelligence. Having seen these things, he feels the responsibility of liberating his friends from their imprisoned minds. To become educated then means to pass from opinion to knowledge, to progress from what seems real to what is actually real.

Kathleen30 said:

The Palestinians probably have more Jewish blood running through their veins due to Abrahams son Ishmael.

Click to expand...

I agree, as wasn't it the Palestinians who were the original Jews to begin with ?

Always in His Presence said:

78,000,000 voted for the deportations -

Click to expand...

You gotta get with the times. Looking only at past elections doesn’t say much about how people are feeling today.

Most are now regretting their initial choice.

From AI:

As of October 2025, Donald Trump's approval rating on immigration is underwater, with disapproval outweighing approval in several polls, though figures vary by survey
. His approval on the issue is consistently higher among Republicans than among independents or Democrats.
Recent polling data includes:

• Quinnipiac University (Sept. 2025): 41% approve, 55% disapprove.
• Washington Post–Ipsos (Sept. 2025):44% approve, 55% disapprove.
• AP-NORC (July 2025): 43% approve, with a slight dip from 49% in March.
• Reuters/Ipsos (Sept. 2025): 42% approve, which was his highest rating on any single issue in that poll.
• Pew Research Center (June 2025): 42% approve, 47% disapprove of his overall approach to immigration.
• Gallup (June 2025): 35% approve, 62% disapprove.

And let’s keep in mind, that 70 something million votes is still less than 1% more than Harris received.

DaisyDay said:

That's one of those "we won't know what's in the bill until we pass the bill" things. This bill is not in its final form and contains no guarantees.

Click to expand...

No - it is a literal offer to negotiate for the ending of the Schumer Shutdown - It bring the issue up and guarantees a vote - you know - how democracy works at it's core.

Abraham1st said:

it has, amazing, the truth shall set us free=faith, and law was what we needed to be set free from.

Click to expand...

True, properly understood. We're free from the idea, the curse, that mere external observance of the commandments (=legalism), will actually make one holy. We're no longer under the law, IOW. We still must obey the commandments but in a new way that God has provided, His way, by the Holy Spirit. under grace.

Kathleen30 said:

Here’s a book that might interest you.

But anyway I wish you well in tracking down the tribe of Dan

Click to expand...

Thank you, I shall take a peek.

AV1611VET said:

All I hear you saying here is that we don't know the future second by second with 100% accuracy.

To that I agree.

So are you rejoicing about it? or complaining?

Click to expand...

I'm not doing either, just trying to get you guys to see it, etc.

Omniscience negates free will, etc.

BCP1928 said:

And Trump will give them the Department of Education back? A department he promised on the first day of his term to eliminate? LOL!

Click to expand...

Hans Blaster said:

They were fired, not furloughed. Funding the ED will not give their jobs back.

Click to expand...

Thanks - your answer is better than mine.

Paulos23 said:

American citizens. And the fault is ICE being over aggressive and even arresting citizens.

Whoever trained ICE really did a poor job. I have never seen any police being this community tone deaf.

Click to expand...

The problem is not ICE. The problem is violent groups like antifa. And people calling for them to be shot and killed.

RestoreTheJoy said:

For brutally attacking someone? Yes, they should get prison time.

Click to expand...

As teens, doubtful. And we are stretching "brutally" if that brutality didn't end up causing anything permanent. Doubt that's a legal term either.

Always in His Presence said:

John Thune offers Schumer vote deal to end government shutdown​

Senate Majority Leader John Thune said he has offered the Democratic leadership a vote on extending the Obamacare tax credits that are about to expire—if they get behind reopening the federal government from its more than two-week shutdown.​

​

“We can guarantee you get a vote by a date certain,” Thune, a South Dakota Republican, told MSNBC in an interview published Thursday morning. “At some point, Democrats have to take ‘yes’ for an answer.”​

Click to expand...

That's one of those "we won't know what's in the bill until we pass the bill" things. This bill is not in its final form and contains no guarantees.

Fantine said:

Now if they just go after the rural entrepreneurs along I49 cooking meth out of sudafed.

Click to expand...

How would they get the boats there?

fhansen said:

Tradition would necessarily not disagree with Scripture. Whether or not they both share all that was revealed, at least materially, would be another question.

Click to expand...

No problem if all is in agreement with Scritpure. . .seriousu problem of error if any is not in agreement with Scripture or is an addition to Scripture.

An addition to Scripture, not being written down, suffers from modification over time.

Hazelelponi said:

There's no resistance to simple background checks. We already have them. You cannot purchase a gun without an extensive background check and someone's guns and gun rights can be removed for cause (someone threatening to commit suicide or murder, for example.)

Click to expand...

Most states don't require a background check for private sales or transfers of guns, and most don't have red flag laws that allow the removal of guns from people who might be a danger to themselves or others.

keras said:

Art Katz also said:
'Nothing has more disarmed the Church of the necessity for preparation, discipleship and maturity that can stand strong in faith, in these end times; than the mistaken idea of a rapture to heaven, so they won’t have to face the Lord’s wrath'.

Click to expand...

The apostolic teaching (1 Th 4:16-17) of Jesus Christ (Lk 10:16) is that the catching up of the saints occurs after the resurrection at the second coming at the end of time.

Paulos23 said:

American citizens. And the fault is ICE being over aggressive and even arresting citizens.

Whoever trained ICE really did a poor job. I have never seen any police being this community tone deaf.

Click to expand...

78,000,000 voted for the deportations -

Mercy Shown said:

There’s no need to rely on complex religious philosophies — the Bible speaks plainly when read in context. The problem arises when we bring our own preconceived ideas to Scripture and then try to force the Bible to fit them, rather than letting Scripture interpret itself.

Click to expand...

This is true. There is nothing complex about the temporary Priesthood "works" "added" as a Mercy "because" of sin, and was to be in place until the True Priest should come.. God's Laws that define Good, Holy, Righteousness and Transgressions have always been separate from the Law that was "ADDED" because of transgressions (Sin).

As it is written, "To Obey is better than Sacrifice". I would ask you, "To obey what", but your religion it seems, doesn't allow you to answer questions.

"Many", who come in Christ's Name, have adopted and are now promoting a "preconceived idea" that there is no separating God's Law that defines sin, from God's Laws ADDED "because" of Sin. (Transgression)

The foundation of this teaching is founded on the preconceived idea that there is no difference between the two laws.

Since your religion will not allow you to discuss these scriptures, or answer any questions asked of you, in order to preserve, defend and promote these preconceived ideas, there is no renewed spirit of the mind. No growing in the knowledge of God. No correction or reproof.

Just self justification.

I have tried in great detail to show through Scriptures, that there is a separation/parsing by God's Word, between God's Laws that define Holiness, Righteousness, and Godliness, from God's LAW that was ADDED "BECAUSE" of transgression of God's Laws that define Holiness, Righteousness, and Godliness.

But the preconceived ideas of men are most precious to them, and they don't believe in God enough to trust His Word where they are concerned, because they might expose the preconceived ideas as from man and not God. Jesus speaks to this in John 3:20.

Clare73 said:

Which would necessarily agree with what is recorded in Scripture.

Click to expand...

Tradition would necessarily not disagree with Scripture. Whether or not they both share all that was revealed, at least materially, would be another question.

BPPLEE said:

No, it's you complaining about Kirk

Click to expand...

Nope.

Jerry N. said:

Among Messianic Christians I have known in northern latitudes, they either keep the Sabbath from 6:00pm to 6:00pm or the times of sunset in Israel. Catholics often begin The Lord’s Day sometime between 5:00pm and 7:00pm on Saturday. I don’t agree with the Roman Catholics, but they believe that they are keeping the commandment, and it is commendable.

Click to expand...

Oh definitely

What I was bringing out is that there is no scripture saying what to do. Not even an AI can find one.

So a person living there can follow the scriptures as written and have some days hundreds of hours long, or they can take a modified approach

Better is one day in Your house than a thousand elsewhere!

Servus said:

So you've already said, but it doesn't have anything to do with John Bolton being indicted.

Click to expand...

QFT

Hentenza said:

Let me remind you that your church has the dubious title of being the first denomination.

Click to expand...

Ok, I'm not sure what's dubious about that, though.

Hentenza said:

There are differences in interpretation among the orthodox churches, and no, I’m not talking about the EO.

Click to expand...

I brought up the EO to emphasize that, when it comes to the most basic understanding of the faith, that of justifcation, what it means to be right in the eyes of God and whether or not that status can be compromised, forfeited, lost and whether or not salvation is a journey, a process as much as it is an event, I've never heard anything from the east or any of those ancient churches that I could object to- I've always agreed.

Hentenza said:

All churches that accept the Nicene Creed are orthodox. There is no debate about that.

Click to expand...

All churches that accept the Nicene Creed are certainly more orthodox than those that don't but they vary in how fully well they understand the faith. And, again, that's why we can have serious disagreements here on these forums.

Hentenza said:

Your opinion of what constitutes an Orthodox Church is of little value to me.

Click to expand...

"Let me remind you" that you brought the concept of orthodoxy up here, and have debated others over what constitues orthodoxy, and the CC for its part accepts the Nicene Creed and was even part of its construction.

Jerry N. said:

Your example illustrates an important problem. My wife asked a vet to prescribe a medication for a little animal. She had used the medication before, but this was not the usual vet. The vet calculated the dose and wrote it down, but she didn’t question the vet at the time. She later looked at the dose and realized that something was wrong from experience. The vet had made an error of a factor of ten, which is easy to do. Had she given the dose the vet wrote, the animal would have died in a short time. Calculations always have to be checked, but I wonder if AI is the best way to do that check. If AI replaces people with practical experience, will there be enough experienced people to notice errors?

Click to expand...

It reminds me of that movie Robo Cop where they were programmed to look for certain signs of panic like increased heart beat and shifty eyes lol.

Ai robots may become so advanced in human learning that they can pick up on many signals of human emotion and experiences. But as you mention knowing what all that represents is more than the individual signs or the sum of those signs even.

Theres something in humans that only another human can pickup on. Sometimes theres no outward sign or its too hard to read. But we still have this intuition that something is wrong.