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Yarddog · Oct 20, 2025

Yarddog said:
I saw something about Hama's firing on some Israeli soldiers and Netanyahu was going to retaliate.

It looks like Israel is returning to the cease fire.

Neogaia777 · Oct 20, 2025

Neogaia777 said:
@Strong in Him

For the true children of God, there won't be, but that's not going to be revealed to or for anyone until, or at, or in the judgement.

For the true children of God, the day of judgement is going to be a very, very good, and maybe even a little bit exciting, thing, etc, and they'll have not even one single thing to fear from it, etc.

God Bless.

The question will be, after initial salvation probably, did I do the works that God had individually prepared for me to do beforehand, and that were individually custom taliored for me to do beforehand, as a true born again child of his, that will show that I always was a true born again child of his, versus those who maybe tried to put on a good show maybe, but that weren't really ever a true born again child of his?

This will all be revealed in the judgement, etc. For which the true born again child of God will have absolutely nothing to fear, etc. (No condemnation, etc).

God Bless.

Ophiolite · Oct 20, 2025

stevevw said:
There is never room for other causes that may give deeper knowledge such as belief or conscious experience.

Do you mean powerful beliefs such as the belief one might be worthy of the Nobel Peace Prize. Yes, I can see just how valuable your confidence in belief is as a source of meaningful, practical, realistic information. Science tests beliefs. You seem to want to test beliefs against other beliefs. It's almost as if you are prone to confirmation bias. What a surprise!

stevevw said:
I see various forms of the same sort of knowledge from the ancients where they lived within a spiritual world completely different to now and where perhaps there was a deeper knowledge of nature and reality. Not in reductive and naturalistic terms. But just as being one with nature. More experiential where they understood natures secrets better

Ok. Convince me. Give me a single example of the "better understanding" that is not already recognised by the professionals.

privatepop · Oct 20, 2025

All works in accordance to God's time table. 1988 was the 13,000 year of the history of the world. This is why when we see the number 13 in the Bible its usually pointing to judgment day. For example, Israel marched around Jericho 13 times. Leading this historical story to about judgment day.

Paidiske · Oct 20, 2025

If you don't make a misstep from time to time, are you even trying?

But that's great feedback.

Hentenza · Oct 20, 2025

RamiC said:
We are not in a time when no one knows Him as God. Father, Son and Holy Ghost = God.

The definition of Christian from CF - CF Statement of Faith -

"Faith groups and individuals that deny the full, eternal deity of Jesus Christ or His incarnation whereby He, as God, took on human flesh (becoming fully God and fully man in one person), are considered non-Christians at CF. Posts that deny the full, eternal deity of Jesus Christ or His incarnation are considered non-Christian theology and are not allowed in "Christians Only" forums. Discussions in all "Christians Only" forums must be in alignment with Trinitarian beliefs."

jas3 said:
"If you throw out the entire Christian understanding of the Incarnation, Eucharist, and eschatology, does your church's practice still make sense?"

In other words, no, your church would not allow Him to have communion.

Maria Billingsley · Oct 20, 2025

HeWept said:
I agree with the verses, but doesn't it kind of challenge the necessity of needing to be born in important royal lineages?

The Kingdom of God is made of His Flock, also known as His family. All are equal and there is no earthly royal lineage continued in the New Jerusalem.
Blessings

Shane R · Oct 20, 2025

My first Presbyterian service went very well. The bulletin I had been provided to prep was not altogether helpful and there are a couple of things I will prep differently next time. But that's the great thing, they told me I am a good preacher and booked me twice in November.

JulieB67 · Oct 20, 2025

walter45 said:
1. Because my logic includes every scripture on a Bible topic, not just a few scriptures that obviously do not agree with the other scriptures throughout the Bible.

2. Everlasting life is a consistent teaching in the Bible, and there are no scriptures that explain it is only figurative or symbolic.

When some scriptures disagree with other scriptures, would that be the correct understanding? Especially when we discover the Eternal fire is not eternal.

Exactly. This is my point in that we need to take the Bible as a whole.

Jerry N. · Oct 20, 2025

Tuur said:
A check shows Windows 11 can do that, or at least mess with it. It may be more likely to do a number on GRUB, but GRUB and Windows have never really liked each other much. This will be a Windows 10 / Linux dual boot machine, and might have that tendency, but, having only run dual boot on separate drives, didn't run into that in the Windows XP days.

WINE was always iffy for me. Sometimes it works; sometimes it doesn't. One year, when the kids got a game from grandparents, it wouldn't run on our old machine under Windows, but worked perfectly fine on the same machine in Linux under WINE. In those days was tinkering with Debian and Ubuntu, so don't recall which distro it was.

You are very correct about GRUB and Windows not getting along.

I might be silly, but I liked Windows XP, except for the authorization code problems. Install a new hard drive, and BOOM, you have to call Microsoft and argue with them. Anyhow, I had an XP machine with Puppy Linux. Puppy was great if you didn’t need to do anything but send emails and look at the internet. Fedora was also a nice system.

WINE has the problem that it sometimes partially works.

7thKeeper · Oct 20, 2025

rjs330 said:
Disagree, you have no idea if these kids had previous record or not.

... Which is what I said. Not sure if you read that correctly.

rjs330 said:
With this kind of beating, jail time was appropriate. A punch in the nose or just a black eye, no. Probation completely appropriate. A concussion beat down? No, that deserves jail time.

Guess we'll just have to disagree. But your approval for rhe sentence is juat more evidence how the left is soft on crime.

What makes you think I'm "the left"?

Maria Billingsley · Oct 20, 2025

Fervent said:
As with the Leviticus passages, context matters. Jesus did not deliberately break the law in John 8, but prevented it from being broken through false testimony. When Jesus said "he who is without sin," he had a specific sin in mind and it takes understanding the legal procedures of Torah to understand what happened there. The person who throws the first stone in a case like the woman caught in adultery is her accuser, and through throwing the first stone was testifying to the guilt of the accused at risk of being cut off by God. The one throwing the stone was saying they personally witnessed the act of adultery, which if the men's statement about her being caught in the act were true they would have been in full rights to do so. There certainly wouldn't have been any consciousness of general guilt or a need for perfection to participate in the legal action, so when Jesus said "he who is without sin" what he was saying is if you can make that accusation without lying then throw the stone. He called their bluff, and evaded their trap. And in doing so prevented the law from being broken.

As for Leviticus, the book is about how to prevent contamination of the land so it doesn't vomit the people up and is principally dealing with religious practices. Its various bans must be understood in reference to the religious practices of the Canaanites and the social implications within the ancient near east's hierarchy. We cannot simply hold them up as universal dictates, we have to work through the context.

The Pharisees had their own interpretation of this particular law. Jesus Christ of Nazareth masterfully exposed the accusers' failure to uphold the Law's true requirements and intent.The Pharisees frequently and repeatedly accused Jesus of breaking the Law of Moses, their accepted interpretation of the Law at that time.
In their standards they intended to accuse Jesus of breaking the Law if he showed mercy. Jesus's action was not a nullification of the Mosaic Law, but a powerful act of justice that upheld the Law's strict requirements for a fair trial, and an act of mercy that extended forgiveness to the repentant sinner. In other words, by breaking " their" law , the purity of the law was exposed.

Abraham1st · Oct 20, 2025

SabbathBlessings said:
Paul said Mat5:19-30 that was Jesus.

sabbathblessings:..........I am not sticking around because its what Jesus said over this exact teaching.

But believe and teach as you wish.

Guess we will all find out soon enough.

Take care.

sabbathblessings again:

But I am going to move on now. Take care.

IN CASE YOU MISSED IT:

James 1:6 But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed.
7 For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord.
8 A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.

2 Peter 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

Abraham1st · Oct 20, 2025

SabbathBlessings said:
Just thought I would give it one last try.

I'll place this here, as it appears you missed it

But I am going to move on now. Take care.

James 1:6 But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed.
7 For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord.
8 A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.

2 Peter 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

Bradskii · Oct 20, 2025

Stopped_lurking said:
I'm more of a non-cognitivist in that I don't feel that moral statements are truth-apt in any objective sense.

I agree. But the argument against that is that surely some acts are so heinous that they must be objectively bad whatever the circumstances. My response is always to point out that the act must be defined by the circumstances. And is therefore relative to those specific circumstances. For example...

Stopped_lurking said:
I have more like moral feelings, when I see someone staeling candy from a kid I get irritated...

So, is stealing morally wrong? Well, what are the circumstances? If someone is stealing candy from a kid, then those circumstances dictate that it is. It is morally wrong relative to those circumstances. If someone is stealing a gun from a man intent on shooting his wife then relative to those circumstances it would be morally correct.

The question might then be on what basis we make those decisions. Emotively? I'd say yes. But the emotions are hard wired into us. And we can rationalise why that is the case if you dig around into evolutionary psychology. In short, feeling that it's wrong when someone does something wrong is natural for almost all people because those that didn't think it was wrong were (mostly) excluded from society. Leaving us.

Put ridiculously simply, morality is a system that (generally) works. And that sounds too cold blooded for a lot of people to accept. But it's like me explaining the evolutionary, biological, sociological reasons why I happen to love my wife. It doesn't make it any less real.

RDKirk · Oct 20, 2025

Aaron112 said:
It looks like this whole topic/thread is not only distracting away from knowing Jesus, but may actually be preventing some souls from being saved, or trying to anyway.

This forum is for hard topics.

Abraham1st · Oct 20, 2025

By the way this also:

Matthew 12:33 Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit.
34 O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.
35 A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.
36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.

Abraham1st · Oct 20, 2025

SabbathBlessings said:
Try reading what causes them to be least in heaven and compare it to what you are teaching.

Try reading your own words...

sabbathblessings:..........I am not sticking around because its what Jesus said over this exact teaching.

But believe and teach as you wish.

Guess we will all find out soon enough.

Take care.

Abraham1st · Oct 20, 2025

SabbathBlessings said:
Try reading what causes them to be least in heaven and compare it to what you are teaching.

They don't believe as the little ones, humbled, they are ones of the law that is why Jesus instructed them according to their own ways.

Neogaia777 · Oct 20, 2025

@Strong in Him

For the true children of God, there won't be, but that's not going to be revealed to or for anyone until, or at, or in the judgement.

For the true children of God, the day of judgement is going to be a very, very good, and maybe even a little bit exciting, thing, etc, and they'll have not even one single thing to fear from it, etc.

God Bless.

Abraham1st · Oct 20, 2025

SabbathBlessings said:
You quote Scripture but say the opposite of what its telling us.

Abraham1st · Oct 20, 2025

SabbathBlessings said:
You quote Scripture but say the opposite of what its telling us.

Matthew 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Looking at the next verse least in heaven means not there. Love is keeping these commandments, its what fulfills them, not breaking them Rom13:9 that is sin and rebellion. 1John3:4 Rom8:7-8 Heb3:7-13

But believe and teach as you wish.

They are called the least, they are not in Heaven according to Matthew 5:20,, these are in heaven Matthew 18:4-6:

Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Matthew 5: he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven

Matthew 5:20
For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Matthew 18:6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.

Matthew 18:4 Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven.

Abraham1st · Oct 20, 2025

SabbathBlessings said:
Rom 3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

If you have your own righteousness and do not need God's Psa119:172 Psa56:1-2 they are probably not for you.

I have no righteousness, so I need Gods and He told us to keep them, so thats what I shall do through His Spirit John14:15-18 John15:10

Our decisions will be sealed Rev22:11 and He determines who enters His gates of heaven Rev22:14 and does not Rev22:15 Rom7:21-23 1John3:4

The law and the prophets are this:

Matthew 7:12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.

We keep them this way:

Galatians 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

We enter in by BELIEF FREELY

Revelation 21:6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Revelation 21:27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.

Revelation 22:114 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

o_mlly · Oct 20, 2025

Hans Blaster said:
I thought everyone was against "preferred pronouns". Did this spirit ever state a gender identity?

Those aren't gifts. They are things that are earned with experience and effort.

You were given the seeds but they did not take. The only question to be answered is: When did you stop praying? Mat 13:3-9.

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