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childeye 2 · Nov 22, 2025

CoreyD said:
@childeye 2 there's not much to say to you, since I know you read my posts, so I'll just say you chose to have a conversation with yourself rather than with me, by talking about "will" rather than the subject of the OP, which is "free will".
That's off topic, and I am not taking this thread off topic.
If at any time you want to get back to the topic, and actually discuss it with me, feel free to respond to the posts that actually discuss one's "free will".
That would be these...
Posts #172, #184, and #209, if you like.
These make clear that both you and I understand that we aren't discussing "the will".

I think I have covered everything here.

I disagree. I am on topic. The record shows I asked you for clarification about what you meant by free will. That would include the term "will" and whether it denotes a desire or the ability to choose. The op asserts that free will exists, so I am invited to challenge that premise. The record shows that in that endeavor my comments on the will would be strictly in the moral/immoral context. I didn't say comments on the 'free' will because free is qualified several different ways in your op and other posts, and I don't think you're even aware of that. In some places it's an adjective or an adverb and other's "will" is a noun. At any rate I do not want to accept a false premise and speak against God as if free will is real or not real, when I can't be sure of what you mean by free will.

As it stands, I don't believe we can choose to be righteous apart from God's Spirit; to know Him is to know brotherly love. That's my contribution to your thread. This is why I don't believe free will is real if it means we choose to be righteous apart from God. The record shows that to me it's the same form of lie in the garden. The record also shows that because you neglected to qualify your terms, I posted the Merriam webster definition for free will myself. Here it is again. And as you can see, just like I said, in a moral/immoral context belief in free will asserts that God does not intervene in human choices.

freewill

1 of 2

adjective

free·will ˈfrē-ˌwil

Synonyms of freewill
: voluntary, spontaneous
free will
2 of 2

noun

1
: voluntary choice or decision
I do this of my own free will.

2
: freedom of humans to make choices that are not determined by prior causes or by divine intervention.

Examples of divine intervention

Proverbs 16:9– “The heart of man plans his way, but the Lord establishes his steps.”
- Human beings make plans, but God determines the outcome.
Jeremiah 10:23– “I know, O Lord, that the way of man is not in himself, that it is not in man who walks to direct his steps.”
- Human choice is not autonomous; God directs the path.
Philippians 2:13– “For it is God who works in you, both to will and to work for His good pleasure.”
- Even the willing (the choice itself) is God’s work in us.
John 6:44– “No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him.”
- The choice to believe in Christ is initiated by God’s drawing, not human free will.
Romans 9:16– “So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy.”
- Salvation is explicitly said to depend on God’s intervention, not human will.
Acts 16:14– “The Lord opened her heart to pay attention to what was said by Paul.”
- Lydia’s “choice” to believe was enabled by God opening her heart.
Ezekiel 36:27– “I will put my Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes.”
- Obedience is caused by God’s Spirit, not independent human decision.

67_Reasons · Nov 22, 2025

And even a night torch frame is in the works. Last of 8 4/4; all I needed was a BG legal caliber.

NxNW · Nov 22, 2025

Brother Del said:
In regards to airplane windows, they are all convex, much like the lens on a go pro camera. In other words, you are looking out a curved window, not at a curved earth.

And yet, the wings of the plane and straight features on the ground are not distorted.

Brother Del said:
Ships don't disappear over the curvature of the earth

Yes they do.

Brother Del said:
That what you call science, and established facts have already had this effect is beyond dispute. The theory of evolution being a prime example. How many people will never believe in God based upon that one scientific theory alone, how many others raised in the faith have abandoned that faith because of the things they were taught as facts during the process of higher education?

Facts are taught as facts because they can be proved, which is what makes them facts.

Dan Perez · Nov 22, 2025

# 1 FOR // GAR is a CONJUNCATION

# 2 IN //. EN is a PREPOSITION

# 3 CHRIST //. CHRISTOS. is a DATIVE CASE. in the SINGULAR

# 4. JESUS //. IESOUS. in. the DATIVE CASE in. the SIGNULAR

# 5. NEITHER // OUTE. is a CONJUNCATION

# 6. CIRCUMCISION. // PERILOMO is a NOMINATIVE CASE in. the SINGULAR. and circumcation are the JEWS

# 7. AVAILETH //. ISCHYO. in. the PRESENT TENSE. in. the ACTIVE VOICE. in the INDICATIVE MOOD. in. the SINGULAR

# 8 ANY THING. //. TIS. INDEFINATE. PRONOUN. is a ACCUSATIVE CASE in. the SINGULAR an in. the NEUTER. , means

either MALE or FEMALE

# 9. NOR // OUTE. is a CONJUNCATION

# 10. UNCIRCUMCISION. //. AKROBYSTA in. the NOMINATIVE CASE is a SINGULAR

# 11. BUT //. ALLA. is a CONJUNCATION

# 12. A NEW //. KAINOS. is a CONJUNCATIO

# 13 CREATURE //. KTISI. in the NOMINATIVE CASE in the SINGULAR

#A. IT means that the CIRCUMCION , GENTILES availeth. not. , meaning JEWS

# B. It means that the UNCIRCUMCISION availeth not , meaning GENTILES

# C AND the new CREATURE. is the BODY OF CHRIST

# D. And that means to be SAVED and be BAPTIZED / PLACED into the BODY of Christ ROM 6:14. all have to be SAVED by the GRACE

as we are NOT under the LAW , BUT UNDER GRACE ,

# E. And in 1. Cor. 12:13. Paul. by the HOLY SPIRIT we are v BAPTIZED // PLACED into. ONE BODY

# F And the only ONE WAYS to be SAVED and GO. to Heaven. is by Rom 9:9 and 10

#G. And PAUL is our APOSTLE to the GENTILES

# H And in 1 Cor 11:1 he HOLY SPIRIT had Paul write , YOU BECOME IMITATORS. of ME , means it is EMPHATIC. , means follow me

and no one else , , just as I follow CHRIST

# I. REMEMBER we are ONLY SAVED BY ROM 10:9 and 10.

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essentialsaltes · Nov 22, 2025

Hentenza said:
Why do young, non sexual children have the need to learn this kind of convoluted sexuality?

In the context of the material in the OP, it includes resources for teachers who happen to be trans and how best to go about '"coming out" at work and "tips" for "transitioning at work."' For all the scare tactics, the training materials appear to be about how teachers should deal with issues professionally, not about curriculum to be taught to students.

But yes, if a kid's teacher is trans, they will face this issue.

wing2000 · Nov 22, 2025

"I love the smell of appeasement in the morning." -Vladimir Putin

NxNW · Nov 22, 2025

YeshuaFan said:
As some 4 Million have reported that has happened to them, and it seems like we are getting more "space alien" encounters annual basis, is this building towards something ng then or?

This corresponds to people in olden times who thought they'd experienced demonic possession.

Maria Billingsley · Nov 22, 2025

FAITH-IN-HIM said:
Undoubtedly, Jesus would show compassion toward everyone. He would invite them by saying, "Come to me; I will give you eternal life." Likewise, Jesus would expect his followers to emulate this approach and extend compassion to others.

However, the question I will ask you; if someone from the LGBTQ community accepts the "living water" that Jesus offers through his mercy, will they return to their previous lifestyle? If so, can we truly say they are Christians or have received Jesus's mercy? As someone who is a sinner saved by grace, I wonder—if I revert to my old ways, am I genuinely a follower of Christ?

This question is often raised among Christians: "What would Jesus do?" The consensus is that Jesus would respond, "Come to me; I offer eternal life."

But you know what comes next ? Jesus would say “ Go and sin no more”.

To" sin no more" happens over time through sanctification, the process of being set apart and made holy. This is a continual work through His Holy Spirit in a believer's life. This leads us to progressive spiritual maturity and Christ-likeness.Whether or not a person is tempted to return to their lifestyle, they always have the option to repent from that lifestyle until its draw has been eliminated all together.
Thanks for sharing!

Fervent · Nov 22, 2025

essentialsaltes said:
From back in June, when the National Guard was first being deployed to Los Angeles:

Ever since President Trump seized control of the California National Guard and deployed thousands of troops to Los Angeles, calls from distressed service members and their families have been pouring in to the GI Rights Hotline.

Some National Guard troops and their loved ones have called to say they were agonizing over the legality of the deployment, which is being litigated in federal court, according to Steve Woolford, a resource counselor for the hotline, which provides confidential counseling for service members.

Certainly some troops are thinking about these questions already.

Which makes the video pretty ill-advised, since it seems to trivialize refusal to act on orders rather than making it clear just how high the threshold is for such disobedience to be the proper course of action.

wing2000 · Nov 22, 2025

mark46 said:
The politics of NYC don't represent the politics of America.

Obviously. NYC has always been unique, going back to pre-coloinial days.

Warden_of_the_Storm · Nov 22, 2025

Apple Sky said:
Why not ? We are talking 10 to 12 miles difference, that's 12 miles more than my 60 miles..

Because it's shifting the goalposts. At flat elevation, with my own eyes, on a flat earth, I should have no problem at all seeing the Isle of Man. I do not.

Ergo, through simple use of logic, the flat earth models is incorrect and impossible.

essentialsaltes · Nov 22, 2025

From back in June, when the National Guard was first being deployed to Los Angeles:

Ever since President Trump seized control of the California National Guard and deployed thousands of troops to Los Angeles, calls from distressed service members and their families have been pouring in to the GI Rights Hotline.

Some National Guard troops and their loved ones have called to say they were agonizing over the legality of the deployment, which is being litigated in federal court, according to Steve Woolford, a resource counselor for the hotline, which provides confidential counseling for service members.

Certainly some troops are thinking about these questions already.

Apple Sky · Nov 22, 2025

Warden_of_the_Storm said:
Don't shift the goal posts by adding telescopes or binoculars or cameras or whatever into the mix.

Why not ? We are talking 10 to 12 miles difference, that's 12 miles more than my 60 miles..

Brightfame52 · Nov 22, 2025

Dikaioumenoi said:
The verb in John 6:44 does not govern whether the capacity is actually used; only that if and when it is given, the giving of it is successful.

Doesn't the drawing activates the coming unto Christ as here Jn 6 44

44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

The word come erchomai: is active

to come
1. of persons
  1. to come from one place to another, and used both of persons arriving and of those returning
  2. to appear, make one's appearance, come before the public
metaph.
1. to come into being, arise, come forth, show itself, find place or influence
2. be established, become known, to come (fall) into or unto
to go, to follow one

to commit oneself to the instruction of Jesus and enter into fellowship with him,

So I believe the drawing results into discipleship and fellowship with Christ.

wing2000 · Nov 22, 2025

rjs330 said:
They were trying to say Trump has given illegal orders.

You, and the right wing media are trying to spin it as such. They said no such thing.

Hentenza · Nov 22, 2025

BCP1928 said:
Still, it exists and is legal so there is really no reason to hide it from kids.

Why do young, non sexual children have the need to learn this kind of convoluted sexuality? It’s not really a matter of hiding it but a matter of not being age appropriate.

childeye 2 · Nov 22, 2025

Colo Millz said:
1 Corinthians 10:13

“…God will not let you be tempted beyond your strength…
but will provide the way of escape, that you may be able to endure it.”

I testify to God that He does do that for me. Thank God

Fervent · Nov 22, 2025

Yarddog said:
Which is closer?

"Closer"? In what sense?

mark46 · Nov 22, 2025

comana said:
The voters of NYC disagree.

The politics of NYC don't represent the politics of America.

essentialsaltes · Nov 22, 2025

rjs330 said:
I will be honest. As a law and order guy, I am frustrated at ICE. Every single Ametican rhat is picked up for assaulting or impeding, obstructing should be charged. They should have to go to court.

ICE is only responsible for arresting these citizens. It's the Trump DOJ that is declining to charge them because ICE's lies don't hold up to even the slightest scrutiny.

rjs330 said:
If ICE is truly wrong in their arrests they will stop doing it

What makes you say that?

BCP1928 · Nov 22, 2025

Hentenza said:
That so many people find it acceptable is of recent development. There are also many people that do not find it acceptable.

Still, it exists and is legal so there is really no reason to hide it from kids.

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