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Multifavs · Jul 25, 2025

The last few posts I made in this thread were written during one of my lowest points. Reading some discouraging things about anxiety sent me into a deep depression. Symptoms I usually don't have very often suddenly became frequent and persistent, which had me scared. But I'm doing a little better now. Two weeks ago, I was recommended some videos made by a therapist which have been very helpful. These videos don't tell you anything scary or depressing, they're positive and give all kinds of insight on what to do with your mental health. Best of all, I've learned from them that anxiety is NOT permanent! It's only lifelong if you don't do anything about it! And that gives me hope. So now I'm working on making changes.

iluvatar5150 · Jul 25, 2025

Vambram said:
I did write a relevant response.

No, you didn't.

Your original claim was:
"Unlike the majority of liberals in the mainstream media and the Democratic Party, conservatives have been telling the truth for many, many years."

To which I replied, "Oh, like how the 2020 election was stolen?"

My reply there was not addressing anything about the mainstream media or the Democratic party. Rather, it was addressing the second half of your sentence where you claimed that conservatives have been telling the truth for many years. I presented an example of a lie spread loudly and widely by a number of conservatives in government and media. An example of a lie by Democrats is not a rebuttal to that; it's irrelevant.

Vambram said:
It is not my fault that you are dismissing it.

It's your fault for not understanding what I was talking about.

The Liturgist · Jul 25, 2025

Amo2 said:
Please do provide more accurate or detailed references concerning your accusations above, that they may be examined for accuracy and or origin, as I have already requested once before I do believe. Thank you.

Firstly, I haven’t accused you of anything. Stating that a claim you’ve made is inaccurate and providing correct information is not an accusation, but rather a clarification or correction. It is not immoral to unknowingly post inaccurate information. For example, if you did not know that the New World Encyclopedia was affiliated with the Moonies, and were relying on it and other false sources for your information, you’re not responsible, because you received inaccurate information, and many people who haven’t studied the history of the Christian church in an academic or otherwise unbiased context, and who aren’t aware of how to screen for peer reviewed publications, might inadvertently make use of such material. Furthermore, the people who wrote the inaccurate material in most cases probably believed it. Many people do not understand what confirmation bias is, or how to do objective research and how to apply critical thinking, or are reticent to do so with regards to religious issues, although the Christian faith will stand up to objective scrutiny (but some views of some denominations can be shown to be inaccurate, and other aspects of the Christian faith to have to be taken on faith, but there is a difference between that which is unproven and that which is demonstrably false.

I want to assure you I would not accuse you of anything, because to do so would be abrasive and inflammatory, and could constitute an argumentum ad hominem.

At any rate, I have provided numerous sources throughout this thread as have other users such as our friends @tall73 @prodromos @Valletta @boughtwithaprice @JSRG and other users. Why don’t you begin with those, and if you want additional information on something more specific, then get back to us?

For example, regarding the history of the Spanish Inquisition, you could review The Cambridge History of Christianity (volumes 5 through 7), which should also address the persecution of Catholics by Protestant states.

Nithavela · Jul 25, 2025

rjs330 said:
Oh? What women's rights dont we care about?

I give up, which are they?

wing2000 · Jul 25, 2025

Always in His Presence said:
words that never existed???

Seditious refers to actions or speech that incite rebellion or discontent against the established government or authority. It often involves promoting resistance or insurrection, and can include both spoken and written expressions that challenge the legitimacy of the government.

Hans Blaster said:
Clearly, Mr. Trump misspoke and meant "salacious conspiracy", which is a conspiracy to tie someone to salacious information like the Epstein things.

Always in His Presence said:
You should use your spell check. The word is an accurate depiction of what Barack Hussein Obama may have done.

The DNI has no business suggesting *any* charges against *anyone* - much less a former POTUS. Her job is to coordinate and report intelligence.

Postvieww · Jul 25, 2025

Fantine said:
And, BTW, Obama would have immunity.
Sorry to disappoint you. It applies to the good guys, too.

Maybe not . Is treason to be considered an official act by a sitting President? Treason should be handled by a military tribunal. The Supreme Court would have no say in that matter.BTW Obama is not a good guy!

BCP1928 · Jul 25, 2025

2PhiloVoid said:
It's a current fad that seems to be going around like a meme ---- "the universe is conscious" and that sort of thing. It's the sort of thing that some people acclimate to who want to think in metaphysically laced spiritual terms but don't want to subscribe to biblical theology.

There are plenty of ways of doing it besides that which aren't as silly and which people have been embracing for thousands of years. I don't think that is a very convincing reason.

iluvatar5150 · Jul 25, 2025

BCP1928 said:
I wonder why she thinks that is important?

Because she's a vitriolic opportunist who'll take any chance she can get to gin up hatred and make money.

ViaCrucis · Jul 25, 2025

Must...not...post...chubby...Vance...meme...must...remain....strong

-CryptoLutheran

Vambram · Jul 25, 2025

iluvatar5150 said:
Oh, I don't doubt that. If you were able to explain it to me, you would've crafted a more relevant response in the first place.

I did write a relevant response. It is not my fault that you are dismissing it.

Ignatius the Kiwi · Jul 25, 2025

A New Dawn said:
It is implied in all of your comments, including this one. This is the problem - you offer no solution when you make statements like this, when the USA has the best designed foundational governing documents that allow freedom of worship of every country on earth. You complain and complain but offer no solution. If we shouldn’t support an empire like the US, what should we do? We have to live somewhere. Yet behind your comments it feels like your suggestion is that we make the US a Christian nation. From the moment you first engaged with my comments, that is the overwhelming feeling you have projected. So if that is not your opinion, what IS your suggestion? Where is there a nation that is a better place to live?

I'm not offering a comprehensive system as a replacement model and that's your problem? Did thr early Christians who undermined Pagan Rome and transformed that state away from what it was in the times before Christ have to offer a complete system as a replacement? No, all they had to do was live according to their values and not be bound by the values of Pagan Rome and that is what I am suggesting regarding the USA. Christians should live according to Christian values and not feel ashamed of having influence on power as so many Christians are because of a subservience to secular enlightenment.

iluvatar5150 · Jul 25, 2025

Vambram said:
If you don't know, then I cannot tell you.

Oh, I don't doubt that. If you were able to explain it to me, you would've crafted a more relevant response in the first place.

iluvatar5150 · Jul 25, 2025

probinson said:
The bottom line is the link I posted goes to the press release

Right, just like I said.

probinson said:
, which links to the report and the memo.

It links to a page with both of those, just like I said, which is not, as you put it "direct links to the content." It's indirect.

probinson said:
You, OTOH, had posted absolutely nothing when you accused people of not "reading and parsing sources".

Swing and a miss again. You're doing great here.

I had not posted much in this thread prior to that. But this is not the only ongoing thread on the matter. There are at least two others in which I had participated prior to that.

Obama referred to DOJ for criminal charges

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/doj-receives-gabbards-criminal-referral-bombshell-claims-obama-admin-manufactured-russian-collusion-hoax.amp The Department of Justice confirmed Monday that it has received Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard's criminal referral related to her...

www.christianforums.com

Director of National Intelligence Gabbard calls for prosecution of Obama

"Their egregious abuse of power and blatant rejection of our Constitution threatens the very foundation and integrity of our democratic republic. No matter how powerful, every person involved in this conspiracy must be investigated and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, to ensure...

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Vambram · Jul 25, 2025

iluvatar5150 said:
How is that a rebuttal?

If you don't know, then I cannot tell you.

durangodawood · Jul 25, 2025

I wonder if anyone here grants Candace Owens any credence generally? I certainly hope not!

Amo2 · Jul 25, 2025

FaithT said:
So what we’ve learned thus far is all the evidence shows that the universe and earth are billions of years old, there is no proof or logical evidence that it’s 6,000 years old, some of the YEC here acknowledge that that’s where the evidence points but because THEIR INTERPRETATION of the Bible says otherwise, people go with a YEC point of view anyway? Correct?

No one has, does, or ever will this side of heaven, observe the historical scientific theories of YEC's, or deep timers. Deep timers therefore have learned nothing regarding established and or observed and verified facts. They have learned about theories based upon deep time world views, that is all. In the very same manner in which YEC's learn theories about the unobservable past, based upon faith in their world views. I believe YEC's though, have more observable facts with which to base their young earth views upon, than deep timers have regarding theirs. As there deep time views themselves, require much faith in many more unobservable events of the past, which can only be conjectured upon.

While YEC's have increasingly been rapidly developing proof that a very great deal of what we see around us, is observed to have been easily established through rapid cataclysmic events. All of which are directly in line with the base testimony of that in which we place our faith, the holy scriptures. So also are the continuous observations of scientists from both disciplines, that complexity seems to have existed further and further back in time. Which is exactly what YEC's would expect, but is erosive of deep time scenarios of slowly developing complexity by way of evolutions. We ever increasingly see this concerning the universe as well.

Concerning theories, it is of course possible to be ever learning about them, but never obtain to a knowledge of truth. Because some of their base line assumptions are wrong. The scriptures themselves address this phenomenon, regarding those who reject some of it's basic tenets.

2Ti 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. 2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, 4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; 5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. 6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, 7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. 8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith. 9 But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was. 10 But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience, 11 Persecutions, afflictions, which came unto me at Antioch, at Iconium, at Lystra; what persecutions I endured: but out of them all the Lord delivered me. 12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution. 13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived. 14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them; 15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

2Pe 3:1 This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you; in both which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance: 2 That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour: 3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, 4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. 5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: 6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: 7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

BCP1928 · Jul 25, 2025

I wonder why she thinks that is important?

FAITH-IN-HIM · Jul 25, 2025

Always in His Presence said:
You original assertion was regarding the present administration advocating for limited government no longer existing.

To which I provided multiple example of that assertion being incorrect.

Every single one of those actions are being undertaken the the current administration - that is a fact.

Thank you for providing the list. I have not individually reviewed each item, but accept the statement that these policies involve a transfer of authority from the federal government to local and state governments. If this is accurate, President Trump's actions regarding these policies could be considered consistent with conservative principles of limited government.

If an administration advocates for limited government, actions such as threatening tariffs on companies unless they bring jobs back to the United States may be interpreted as inconsistent with that principle. Similarly, encouraging universities to alter their curricula or publicly commenting on Federal Reserve decisions while requesting lower interest rates might also be viewed as inconsistent with the philosophy of limited government.

So, it is accurate to state that contemporary conservatism does not consistently follow the traditional limited government philosophy. In some instances, policies reflect limited government ideology, while at other times, contradictory policies are implemented that do not align with that principle.

durangodawood · Jul 25, 2025

iluvatar5150 said:
You were the one wondering aloud about the “liability” posed by the show after the WH’s comments. That’s censorship.

Yes people are cheering for the government's success in muscling media into modifying its programming.

You can see how disingenuous all the "free speech!" talk was.

Not saying anyone here in particular was doing that. But was anyone here doing that?

dlamberth · Jul 25, 2025

2PhiloVoid said:
It's a current fad that seems to be going around like a meme ---- "the universe is conscious" and that sort of thing. It's the sort of thing that some people acclimate to who want to think in metaphysically laced spiritual terms but don't want to subscribe to biblical theology.

Personally, I don't go in for pantheism.

It's more of a Panentheist perspective.
Rather than a "fad", I'd suggest it's a change in conscious awareness.
I'm totally dialed in as it's how I experience life well as the presence of God through out the reach of the Cosmos.
I guess another way of saying it is that it's my reality in life.
I feel its all about consciousness so much so that I believe it's consciousness that's evolving through the different life forms.

The Liturgist · Jul 25, 2025

Amo2 said:
a few following facts and details of which, will clarify and justify this claim. Emphasis in the following quotes is mine. Emphasis in all following quotes is mine.

Sorry, but that’s not a credible source - the New World Encyclopedia is a publication of the Unification Church (the Moonies), whose now deceased leader was a heresiarch who falsely claimed to be Jesus Christ.

Even biased works like the 1911 Catholic Encyclopedia (which is not an official publication of the Roman Catholic Church and is regarded as obsolete by Catholic scholars; its main use is it provides very good documentation of Catholic liturgical practices and organizational infrastructure as they existed in the first decades of the 20th century) are inherently more reliable, since they’re actually written by Christians.

If you’re going to quote from sources like the New World Encyclopedia, rather than serious academic sources such as the Cambridge History of Christianity, I have no choice but to regard that as an appeal to unqualified authority, since any publication by the Moonies must be closely scrutinized for historical accuracy. The Unification Church is a dangerous cult, whose activities in Japan were exposed following the tragic assasination of former Prime Minister Shinzo Abe by a man whose family had been brainwashed into giving all their money to the Unification Church.

Now, I’m going to assume you‘re not a member of the Unification Church and agree with myself and other members of the site that he was not Jesus Christ, and that the views of his cult are entirely incompatible with the Nicene Creed and the other parts of the Christian Forums Statement of Faith; if this is not the case, please let us know so that we don’t waste further time on this discussion.

Christsfreeservant · Jul 25, 2025

5 From my distress I called upon the Lord;

The Lord answered me and set me in a large place.

6 The Lord is for me; I will not fear;

What can man do to me?

15 The sound of joyful shouting and salvation is in the tents of the righteous;

The right hand of the Lord does valiantly.

19 Open to me the gates of righteousness;

I shall enter through them, I shall give thanks to the Lord.

20 This is the gate of the Lord;

The righteous will enter through it.

21 I shall give thanks to You, for You have answered me,

And You have become my salvation. (Psalm 118 select verses NASB1995)

When we believe in Jesus Christ to be Lord and Savior of our lives, we enter into a personal relationship with the Lord, which is a close intimate relationship with God – Father, Son Jesus Christ, and Holy Spirit. Jesus is now our husband, and we are his bride, and we are to be faithful to our Lord just as anyone who is married should be faithful to his or to her spouse. And we are now to follow the Lord with our lives in obedience to his commands, and in surrender to his will and purpose for our lives, for the glory of God.

[Matthew 7:13-14,21-23; Luke 9:23-26; John 1:12-13; John 6:44; John 10:27-30; Acts 26:18; Romans 2:6-8; Romans 6:1-23; Romans 8:1-14; 1 Corinthians 10:1-22; Galatians 5:16-24; Ephesians 2:8-10; Ephesians 4:17-32; Ephesians 5:3-6; Titus 2:11-14; Hebrews 3:1-19; Hebrews 4:1-13; Hebrews 12:1-2; 1 Peter 2:24; 1 John 1:1-10; 1 John 2:3-6; 1 John 3:4-10]

But following Jesus Christ with our lives is not an easy road, and he never promised that it would be. It will be filled with trials and tribulations to test our faith and to strengthen us in our walks of faith in obedience to our Lord, and to mature us in Christ. And we are going to come up against “brick walls” and “high waters” and all sorts of obstacles which God intends to use for good in our lives, but which Satan intends for evil in our lives as a means to try to get us to give up on God and on faith and on service to our Lord.

And these difficult situations, which we will encounter from time to time, may tend to distress us and to make us afraid, in our natural human emotions. But this is where we need to look to the Lord and trust him to work it all out according to his plan and purpose for our lives, as he continues to mold us and to make us into his likeness. For if we are on God’s side, obeying his commands, and doing his will, he is for us, and he will watch over us, and he will give us victory over the enemy of our souls.

So, rather than respond to life’s difficulties with fear and distress, and/or with retreating and escaping and running away from our circumstances, we are to be even more dedicated and serious about our walks of faith in obedience to our Lord in surrender to his will and purpose for our lives. And we must continue in the work of the Lord, to which he has called us, despite all the obstacles in our way. And we must keep on in serving the Lord and in living holy lives, pleasing to God, living out the salvation he provided for us.

[Matt 5:10-12; Matt 10:16-39; Matt 24:9-14; Luke 6:22-23; Luke 12:49-53; Luke 21:12-19; John 15:1-21; John 16:33; John 17:14; Acts 14:22; Rom 5:3-5; Eph 6:10-20; Phil 3:7-11; 1 Pet 1:6-7; 1 Pet 4:12-17; 2 Tim 3:12; 1 Thess 3:1-5; Jas 1:2-4; 2 Co 1:3-11; Heb 12:3-12; 1 Jn 3:13; Rev 6:9-11; Rev 7:9-17; Rev 11:1-3; Rev 12:17; Rev 13:1-18; Rev 14:1-13]

I Need Thee Every Hour

Hymn lyrics by Annie S. Hawks, 1872
Ref. by Robert Lowry, 1872
Music by Robert Lowry, 1872

I need Thee every hour, most gracious Lord;
No tender voice like Thine can peace afford.

I need Thee every hour; stay Thou nearby;
Temptations lose their power when Thou art nigh.

I need Thee every hour, in joy or pain;
Come quickly and abide, or life is vain.

I need Thee every hour; teach me Thy will;
And Thy rich promises in me fulfill.

I need Thee every hour, most Holy One;
O make me Thine indeed, Thou blessed Son.

I need Thee, O I need Thee; every hour I need Thee;
O bless me now, my Savior, I come to Thee.

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essentialsaltes · Jul 25, 2025

d taylor said:
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Again so, have they broken any laws

Undetermined at the moment. Arkansas AG: “My office is reviewing the matter.”

d taylor said:
and are people not allowed to have beliefs that do not line up with yours.

Certainly they are allowed, and I'm allowed to point and say, "Hey, look at those racists being racist."

iluvatar5150 · Jul 25, 2025

GoldenBoy89 said:
Well one’s too young, two are women and the other one is Eric so… yeah Jr gets it by default.

I'd take Eric first, personally.

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