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Abraham1st · Oct 28, 2025

Anyone on this thread want to see a good VERY RELEVANT passage for how to keep in faith, not hear liars about saying you cant lose salvation, or they would have at least a word or two to speak about a whole chapter, wouldn't they.

2 Timothy 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.
9 But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as their's also was.
10 But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience,
11 Persecutions, afflictions, which came unto me at Antioch, at Iconium, at Lystra; what persecutions I endured: but out of them all the Lord delivered me.
12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.
13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;
15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

Always in His Presence · Oct 28, 2025

House Speaker: Schumer 'Terrified' of Political Winds

House Speaker Mike Johnson, R-La., told reporters at the Capitol on Tuesday that Senate Democrat Leader Chuck Schumer D-N.Y., is "terrified" about his political future.

That's why, Johnson claimed, Schumer is continuing to vote against a funding measure to reopen the federal government.

Johnson told reporters at the briefing that it wasn't long ago when Schumer voted in March to support similar stopgap funding and said the potential consequences of a shutdown were worse than the short-term budget option.

MissH84 · Oct 28, 2025

It seems like a lot of Christians get married when they're very young so have any of you met someone and started dating when you were over 30?
Christian men, would you start dating a woman in her 30s or even 40s or is that too old for you?

Hentenza · Oct 28, 2025

SabbathBlessings said:
John14:15 1 John5:3 Luke23:56 Heb4:4,9-10 etc

None of those are post crucifixion and in some you can’t even prove which commandments so try again.

SabbathBlessings said:
The days start at evening to evening, yes it was a Saturday night or the beginning of the first day for biblical days. Still doesn't change the context of why they were meeting, or that it deletes one of God's commandments. The apostles met on various days, doesn't mean it starts deleting commandments.

It does change the context. They gathered to worship.

SabbathBlessings said:
sabaton means sabbath agreed. It could mean the weekly Sabbath or yearly sabbath(s) context tells us what it means. Which Paul did a good job of explaining, but sadly most will gloss over or not read.

You can’t eliminate definitions just because you don’t like them. The context of the verse does not remove the Jewish sabbath.

SabbathBlessings said:
“... Or of the Sabbath days - Greek, “of the Sabbaths.” The word Sabbath in the Old Testament is applied not only to the seventh day, but to all the days of holy rest that were observed by the Hebrews, and particularly to the beginning and close of their great festivals.

Which is why you cannot discount that Paul is indeed talking about ALL sabbath days including the seventh day sabbath.

SabbathBlessings said:
There is, doubtless, reference to those days in this place, since the word is used in the plural number, and the apostle does not refer particularly to the Sabbath properly so called. There is no evidence from this passage that he would teach that there was no obligation to observe any holy time, for there is not the slightest reason to believe that he meant to teach that one of the ten commandments had ceased to be binding on mankind. If he had used the word in the singular number - “the Sabbath,” it would then, of course, have been clear that he meant to teach that that commandment had ceased to be binding, and that a Sabbath was no longer to be observed. But the use of the term in the plural number, and the connection, show that he had his eye on the great number of days which were observed by the Hebrews as festivals, as a part of their ceremonial and typical law, and not to the moral law, or the Ten Commandments. No part of the moral law - no one of the ten commandments could be spoken of as “a shadow of good things to come.” These commandments are, from the nature of moral law, of perpetual and universal obligation. ...” - Albert Barnes, Colossians 2:16 Commentary. E-Sword App.

Adam Clarke, states on the same passage:

There is no intimation here that the Sabbath was done away, or that its moral use was superseded, by the introduction of Christianity. I have shown elsewhere that, Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy, is a command of perpetual obligation, and can never be superseded but by the final termination of time. ...” - Adam Clarke, Colossians 2:16 Commentary. E-Sword App.

Jamieson, Fausset and Brown Commentary states:
“... the sabbath — Omit “THE,” which is not in the Greek (compare Note, see on Gal_4:10). “SABBATHS” (not “the sabbaths”) of the day of atonement and feast of tabernacles have come to an end with the Jewish services to which they belonged (Lev_23:32, Lev_23:37-39). The weekly sabbath rests on a more permanent foundation, having been instituted in Paradise to commemorate the completion of creation in six days. Lev_23:38 expressly distinguished “the sabbath of the Lord” from the other sabbaths. A positive precept is right because it is commanded, and ceases to be obligatory when abrogated; a moral precept is commanded eternally, because it is eternally right. If we could keep a perpetual sabbath, as we shall hereafter, the positive precept of the sabbath, one in each week, would not be needed. Heb_4:9, “rests,” Greek, “keeping of sabbath” (Isa_66:23). But we cannot, since even Adam, in innocence, needed one amidst his earthly employments; therefore the sabbath is still needed and is therefore still linked with the other nine commandments, as obligatory in the spirit, though the letter of the law has been superseded by that higher spirit of love which is the essence of law and Gospel alike (Rom_13:8-10). ...” - Jamieson, Fausset and Brown, Colossians 2:16 Commentary.

The problem with commentaries is that you will choose the ones that agree with you and will ignore the ones I post that don’t agree with you. And as you have stated many times before they are not scripture so I find it interesting that you use them when is convenient for you but ignore the ones that other people post as not being scripture.

I don’t agree with the ones that you posted because they are ignoring actual possible definitions of the word and assuming others. If you want have the battle of the commentaries then I’ll find some that I like.

Abraham1st · Oct 28, 2025

Guojing said:
So if you are sealed by the Holy Spirit after you believed, no one can break that seal.

That was my point.

Everyone can break that seal, is the point.

The whole world is downhill in faithlessness, of course that breaks any seal, as it is FAITH WHAT YOU STAND BY, in a world that was said to have none at this time.

Luke 18:8 I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?

Dan Perez · Oct 28, 2025

Soyeong said:
Paul’s letters were speaking to the people that they were addressed to in order to answer questions that they were having or in order to resolve situations that they were dealing with. Some of things that he said were very context specific while other things that he said were true regardless of who he was speaking to.

And. in. John 3:5. John. wrote , b Jesus answered , Most addurely I say to you , unless one is BORN of WATER and the SPIRIT

he cannot. enter the KINGDOM of God !!

Since John wrote this book. , this means. John was talking to Jews and NOT to GENTILES is what it means !!

And in. James 1:1 here he wrote to the 12 tribes SCATTERED ABROAD. and we see that the HOLY SPIRIT. had men

write to different people to. Jews and GENTILES !!

What say you. ??

dan p

Abraham1st · Oct 28, 2025

Clare73 said:
It is no true faith, it is counterfeit faith, as the faith claimed by those in Mt 7:22-23.

They did not claim faith, they are FALSE PROPHETS, it is an EMAMPLE, HOW TO BEWARE OF FALSE PROPHETS

Mercy Shown · Oct 28, 2025

Servus said:
A former SDA pastor told me there's inconsistency in that regard. It mainly seems to be about going to church on Saturday instead of Sunday, and having Saturday as a day off from your job. Those two are a must.

Unless someone can justify working on Saturday, they are expected to refrain from labor. If they are a police officer, hospital staff member, or even a janitor in a necessary role, the work is considered permissible. As long as they can show their job is essential, they are not seen as violating the Sabbath. In practice, very few churches take disciplinary action against those who break the Sabbath unless the behavior is blatant or the person is a church leader.

FreeinChrist · Oct 28, 2025

Baseless accusations of it toward the Democratic party is not okay.

per AI
New York City politician Zohran Mamdani has explicitly denied being a communist, and is more accurately described as a democratic socialist.

Just because Trump throws out insults at others and makes claims, it doesn't mean those claims or insults are true. Nor does it mean that those supporting Momdami are what Trump claims.

Studyman · Oct 28, 2025

Hentenza said:
Brother, all I did was post the verses that you said were not in scripture. I provided no comment. Do with them as you will.

I said the Bible doesn't teach a man can't have a fire in his home or take a walk on God's Sabbath. Your 2 verses don't teach that, unless you separate them from the rest of the Bible

Dikaioumenoi · Oct 28, 2025

d taylor said:
The Bible is clear a person does not have in them a fountain of water springing up into everlasting life.” (regeneration) and then they take a drink of whoever drinks of the water that I shall give him will never thirst. (belief in Jesus)

Why do those who take a drink, do so? Do they have the natural capacity apart from saving grace?

GoldenBoy89 · Oct 28, 2025

Landon Caeli said:
Neither is Communist, if you ask an actual communist. I actually know people who are communists, and they identify as such.

Right. I don’t take any offense to the term. It’s mostly right wing silliness that has made people deathly afraid of the dreaded C word.

Mercy Shown · Oct 28, 2025

SabbathBlessings said:
There are 22 million SDA’s, not everyone who says they are SDA’s are. We will not be judged based on what others (preceivied) do or don’t do. We all stand before Christ based on what we do 2 Cor5:10. I do not believe He is going to cut anyone slack because one person didn’t obey therefore, it relieves our moral obligation. It’s didn’t work out that way in the days of Noah and He told us it would be similar to His Second Coming. Mat 24:37-39

Have you made it to perfection yet? Anything less is damnation. I don't think there is such a thing as passing by anything less. We must not just be similar, we must be perfect even as the father in heaven is perfect. If you have screwed up you have failed already.

Hentenza · Oct 28, 2025

Studyman said:
In the very beginning of the Holy Scriptures, God, in His eternal Mercy, showed us how the deceiver deceives His people.

1. He professes to know God.

2. He quotes "some" of God's Word to promote the Philosophy that couldn't stand if more of God's Word was considered.

He said, "And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

And sure enough, in Gen. 2: 15 And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it. 16 And the LORD God commanded the man, "saying", Of every tree of the garden "thou mayest freely eat":

Now if a person carefully selected this one verse, and used it to promote a teaching that couldn't stand if more of the Words of God were considered, they could and have been deceived in this way.

This has been repeated over and over and over through out the entire Bible, and Jesus even pointed it out about the mainstream preachers of HIS Time.

So because even a nobody like me has studied the Scriptures, I know that these verses you separated from the entire bible, to promote the teaching that God's Sabbath Commandment forbids a person to light a lamp, or start a fire on a cold day, or take a walk in fellowship with God on His Holy sabbaths and pick a blackberry is not inline with God's Teaching, in my view, even though there are "Many" who come in Christ's Name that promote just that. I think that if you were to study yourself with the purpose of SEEKING God's Truth regarding the Sabbath, you would find as I did, that God's Sabbath has a purpose, but it isn't to freeze your family or lock them up in tent or house, or starve them.

My hope is that you might do the study.

Brother, all I did was post the verses that you said were not in scripture. I provided no comment. Do with them as you will.

Landon Caeli · Oct 28, 2025

GoldenBoy89 said:
Why? King isn’t automatically a bad thing. I doubt Charles takes any offense to the title. We just don’t want any kings here.

Neither is Communist, if you ask an actual communist. I actually know people who are communists, and they identify as such.

eclipsenow · Oct 28, 2025

GoldenBoy89 said:
I don’t get how some think billionaires and corporations buying favor with the president is better than splitting the cost of the renovations across 150 million taxpayers.

I think Elon helped pay to elect the guy - he should pay for the "Wannabe a Russian Dictator Ballroom" as a bill for getting to play DOGE master for a few months.

gzt · Oct 28, 2025

I don't think you can distinguish purely by orthography, Philokalia and Philocalia are both trying to represent the same Greek word.

FreeinChrist · Oct 28, 2025

You already had it.

FreeinChrist · Oct 28, 2025

Landon Caeli said:
I think calling Trump a King should be included in that. It's an unpleasant mockery of the president.

You can take it to support. 7-8 million + are involved in that protest which will be repeated.

GoldenBoy89 · Oct 28, 2025

Landon Caeli said:
I think calling Trump a King should be included in that.

Why? King isn’t automatically a bad thing. I doubt Charles takes any offense to the title. We just don’t want any kings here.

Landon Caeli · Oct 28, 2025

FreeinChrist said:
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It includes: 'Do not call either political party in the US or members thereof Fascist, or Socialist*, or Marxist or Communist. '

I think calling Trump a King should be edited into the list then. It's an unpleasant label of the president.

GoldenBoy89 · Oct 28, 2025

FreeinChrist said:
QFT

There is no path for Trump to be president if he is the VP. He is not eligible to be the VP.

Yeah and can you even imagine Trump being second in command to anyone? He wouldn’t allow it for one second.

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