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How do we set aside the grace of God?

I didn't say we did. In fact, no rightouesness will come by mere observance of the law: 'By the law no one will be justifed', IOW (Rom 3:20). But that doesn't mean that we don't need to be righteous, with a righteousness that is apart from the law (Rom 3:21). IOW, we need a righteousness that doesn't even need to be heard (Rom 2:13) in order to live and practice and fulfill it, a righteousness that 'comes from God through and on the basis of faith' (Phil 3:9), from the inside as His Spirit dwells within us.

Well, we're approaching agreement here, then. Love is that righteousness, apart from the law, that fulfills the law by its nature. It opposes and overcomes sin (lawlessness). It would've inherently produced the obedience that Adam lacked in Eden. Faith is the doorway to that love as faith is the doorway to it's Source, to God.
In fact: "Anyone who does not love remains in death." 1 John 3:14
I have always said that we need to do them, to stay in the Spirit, because we love Jesus. So, if what is what you say then we have always been in agreement. It's so much easier to do them out of love, rather than out of fear. I know the opposite side will say they do not do them out of fear, but if they say they have to do them to be righteous, then they do them out of fear.
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Obama referred to DOJ for criminal charges

One instance was on Dec. 7, 2016, weeks after the election. Then-Director of National Intelligence James Clapper’s talking points stated: "Foreign adversaries did not use cyberattacks on election infrastructure to alter the U.S. presidential election outcome."
Fox News Digital obtained a declassified copy of the Presidential Daily Brief, which was prepared by the Department of Homeland Security, with reporting from the CIA, Defense Intelligence Agency, FBI, National Security Agency, Department of Homeland Security, State Department and open sources, for Obama, dated Dec. 8, 2016.​
Yes, back in 2016 we had heard that the Russians poked around some voting systems but did not change anything. Why is this interesting now?
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Substitutionary Atonement

The cross defeated death. Hebrews says that it was through death that Jesus destroyed him who had the power of death. The resurrection was the proof.
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The cross did noting it was Jesus who did, which was through death. Meaning that Jesus died as the perfect sin offering. That through death Jesus was able to be resurrected. If Jesus had not died, Jesus could have not been resurrected.

But still knowing and believing all this about Jesus' death and resurrection. Does not matter, if a person does not believe in Jesus (the living Son of God) for God's free gift of Eternal life.
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trumps ambasador calls canadians nasty.

I am astonished everyday by how hard other nations try to be civil to the members of the Trump Administration. To a person, their behavior is usually so abominable and hateful that it is difficult to be in the same room with them. When I hear that Trump calls someone nasty I think that it must be a lovely person that I would enjoy getting to know.
pretty much just about every time trump complains about how he's treated, "they are an evil blight on the US and are trying to destroy it, but saying i'm a bad president is them being mean.
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Now drink your lead and other poison.

Texas parents of child who died of measles urge others not to vaccinate

The couple, members of the Mennonite community in Gaines County, were interviewed by the anti-vaccination group Children Health Defense [founded by HHS Secretary RFK Jr.].
The couple ... spoke ... to CHD Executive Director Polly Tommey and CHD Chief Scientific Officer Brian Hooker.
Guess who got measles?

Prominent US anti-vaxxer says he caught measles in West Texas

Brian Hooker seems to not have alerted authorities of his illness after leaving west Texas

One of the most prominent anti-vaccine activists in the US says he caught measles in west Texas and traveled back home – but he seems not to have alerted local authorities of his illness, which means the highly transmissible virus may have spread onward.

[After filming the interview above and others in that community,] Hooker then traveled home to Redding, California, and developed measles symptoms, he said.

“Full disclosure, 18 days after visiting Seminole, Texas, sitting in a measles clinic and being exposed to Doctor Ben with the measles, I got the measles. So cool,” Hooker said.

Hooker says he turned to the alternative treatments hailed by anti-vaccine activists. [antivax Dr. Ben] Edwards had given him cod liver oil and vitamin C supplements in Gaines county, Hooker said, noting: “I stuck them in my luggage, and that’s what I did.”

Hooker is a prominent figure in the anti-vaccine community. He testified on Tuesday before a US Senate committee in its first-ever “vaccine injury” hearing, attempting to link MMR vaccination to autism – despite numerous studies showing no relationship.

Hooker said he became sick with measles despite being vaccinated as a child. But because he was born before 1989, he probably only received one dose of the MMR vaccine, which is 93% effective at stopping illness. Vaccination may also make breakthrough illness milder.

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In other news, 1309 confirmed cases in the US in 2025 (so far).
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Anyone have good arguments against Calvinism.

You are talking about the lifelong journey for sanctification. You have been justified but not sanctified yet.
I can't agree, as the atoning, sanctifying, justifying, blood of Jesus has been applied to my vessel already, at my baptism into Jesus and into His death.
Also John tells us the following in his epistle.
“If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous, so that He will forgive us our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar and His word is not in us.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭1‬:‭8‬-‭10‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬
That verse, and verses 6 and 10 of 1 John 1, apply to those still walking in darkness. (which Pro 4:19 says "is the way of the wicked")
The verses applying to those walking in God, (the light), are verses 5, 7, and 9...which is the first step to righteousness.
Thankfully, I walk now in the light: and all my past sins were washed away by the blood of Christ.
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Anyone have good arguments against Calvinism.

I don’t completely agree with that assessment.
Repentance is not only for avoiding punishment, but is an act of love for Jesus. As He said, if you love me, keep my commandments. We love Him by obeying Him.
If you look at it this way, Jesus died for all of our sins, and by His stripes we are healed. Out of ignorance it can be excused and is the act of God’s love toward us; however, if we deny repentance once we have come to the knowledge of the truth, we deny love for Jesus and would rather see Him continually beat with stripes in order that we may be healed. If we do that, how can we say that we love Him?

No, repentance is not just it avoid punishment, but out of love for Jesus and not wishing to see Him continually beat for our transgressions

Scripture says that if we sin willfully, we crucify the Lord afresh and bring Him to open shame. I don’t know how repentance can be denied or written off as merely to avoid punishment
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Repentance is certainly not for receiving God's free gift of Eternal Life. God has stated receiving God's free gift of Eternal Life is by belief in Jesus.

So repentance is for a believer who is sinning, to reestablish a broken relationship with God their Father. That has been broken because of their sin. If they do not repent God may bring punishment and judgment upon the sinning believer even take their earthly life. Read all of Hebrews 10:26->

For we know Him who said, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay,” says the Lord. And again, “The Lord will judge His people.” It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
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If forever punishment is true and if all dead babies go to Heaven...

Being born again means accepting Christ and receiving eternal life, John 3:36, 1 John 5:12. It means we move from death to life, Romans 6:2-3, Romans 6:23; from the realm of the flesh to the realm of the Spirit, Romans 8:5-8. It means we become new creations, 2 Corinthians 5:17, children of God, John 1:12, heirs with Jesus, Romans 8:17 and reconciled to God, Romans 5:11, 2 Corinthians 5:19.

How can any of that happen before a person has confessed their sins?
Any ones thoughts as to what Rom 6:3 says , That as many were BAPTIZED /. BAPTIZO. , into Christ Jesus.

were BAPTIZED /. into His Death. ??

And the Greek word Water /. Hydor. is. not. in. the Greek Text.

So how are WE. Baptized into His Death. ?/

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Trump suggests he’ll release Jeffrey Epstein ‘client list’ if elected: ‘I’d have no problem with it’

Deputy Attorney General [and former Trump personal lawyer] Todd Blanche will meet with Ghislaine Maxwell 'in the coming days,' Bondi says
Attorney General Pam Bondi said Monday that Deputy Attorney Todd Blanche will meet with Ghislaine Maxwell, the convicted associate of deceased sex offender Jeffrey Epstein, sometime in the "coming days."

‘She Deserves to Be Out’: Alan Dershowitz Wants Epstein Accomplice Ghislaine Maxwell Released from Prison

After Real America’s Voice host Eric Bolling asked, “Should Ghislaine Maxwell be behind bars?” Dershowitz responded:

She shouldn’t be, but she is. She is really serving Jeffrey Epstein’s sentence. After he committed suicide, there was no one else to prosecute ’cause there was no real information against anybody else and so they went after her and they sentenced her to the sentence that would have been appropriate for Epstein, but not at all appropriate for her, and so she’s appealing now and I hope the appeal will be granted. She deserves to be out.
Maxwell groomed underage girls by taking them shopping and to the cinema and was “present for certain sexual encounters between minor victims and Epstein,” including nude “sexualized massages,” according to the DOJ.

Dershowitz admitted to receiving a “therapeutic massage” at Epstein’s home, though insisted it was conducted by “an old Russian.”
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Trump's Juneteenth message: "Too many holidays in America ... The workers don't want it either!"

My bad. Feel free to use my WFTH-I (Warning For The Humor-Impaired) I assume your name here is in homage to G.K. If so, I should have realized the dry humor.
It's not your fault that the joke wasn't a good one. :)
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trumps ambasador calls canadians nasty.

An Ambassador relaying the POTUS verbiage...how diplomatic.

Canadians avoiding travel to the United States and banning American alcohol are among the reasons U.S. President Donald Trump thinks the country is “nasty” to deal with, the U.S. ambassador to Canada said Monday.
yup - that is what was said -
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Trump wants Bondi to take the fall for him

President Donald Trump is tired of defending Attorney General Pam Bondi and wants her to take the flak for the administration’s handling of the Jeffrey Epstein files.
“One thing that’s been clear is his feelings about it,” an unnamed White House official told


President Donald Trump is tired of defending Attorney General Pam Bondi and wants her to take the flak for the administration’s handling of the Jeffrey Epstein files.

“One thing that’s been clear is his feelings about it,” an unnamed White House official told






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Trump Wants Pam Bondi to Take the Heat Over Epstein Crisis/

The president doesn’t want to be on the hook for the outrage over his administration’s handling of the Epstein files.

Anyone have good arguments against Calvinism.

Not married.
Did not God and His Son provide all we need to accomplish that on your list ?
Yes He did; and I use all His grace, Spirit, and word to remain always pleasing to Him.
It is written..."But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life." (Rom 6:22)
And..."Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:" (Col 1:28)
Do you want to be like that ?
You are talking about the lifelong journey for sanctification. You have been justified but not sanctified yet. Also John tells us the following in his epistle.

“If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous, so that He will forgive us our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar and His word is not in us.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭1‬:‭8‬-‭10‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬
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