We can argue translations all day, but it comes down to this... Concepts/teachings dont conflict with each other. So if you make a statement that says the church is now the true Israel, then nothing else in the bible should conflict with that view. The problem is, there ARE conflictions.
The reference to the "body of Christ", the reference to a distinction between "Christians" and "Jews" when Paul taught.

Zion was a fortress that David captured in ancient Jerusalem. An Israelite is someone from the country of Israel. I think you're trying to argue a "spiritual" Israel which doesn't exist. I don't have ancestry in Israel, nor was I born in Israel, there for I am not an Israeli. I suggest you take a step back, and realize that your argument has a lot of holes and the fact it contradicts scripture in general, means it needs to be thrown out.

NxNW said:

The topic is the anonymity of the doctors prescribing mail order abortion medication.

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Like an executioner. Appropriate - but in this case they are not performing a public service.

Tropical Wilds said:

I mean, other than I don’t lie, have no reason to lie, and your argument makes zero sense…? Ok. Rock on.

For much the same reason most of us don’t take the time to reason with the person yelling at a mailbox, I suspect. Not being one who lives in a world where my reality involves having a grudge with a mailbox, there’s not much I can say about it… Not because they’re bringing up some really good points and owning the mailbox, but because they’re yelling. At a mailbox.

Either it will work itself out and they’ll rejoin reality with the rest of us, or they won’t. Regardless, there’s nothing I can say in either case to make them realize yelling at a mailbox is craziness.

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You understand how illogical this stance is.

You are claiming that I am wrong and that what I said makes no sense - yet you feel no desire or obligation to explain how any of this is so.

You just claim that I am somehow insane because you and I disagree.

Those on the Right see this all the time coming from the Left - which is why I believe you are of the Left.

This is a form a delusion. In this delusion you are never wrong - you can never be proven wrong - because anyone who claims that you are is just crazy and not worth talking to.

This is exactly what Charlie Kirk warned us about - that when people stop talking - that leads to violence.

He was always right. Unfortunately.

FireDragon76 said:

There's no evidence of politically partisan motivation so far, as far as I'm concerned.

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Oh of course. I'll bet this was a very poorly planned armed robbery.

Tropical Wilds said:

62, 73, 79, 88, 94, 97, 101…

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Very funny. You're wasting my time and embarrassing yourself. Have a good evening.

Trogdor the Burninator said:

Maybe that's what Kirk's killer thought they were doing?

Because that's the problem - everyone will define what their version of "a tyrannical government" is.

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The delusional people might - sure - because no one recognize Charlie Kirk as any form of government.

This is why Trump wants to stop transgender people from being allowed to purchase and own guns.

DaisyDay said:

A gratuitous insult highlighting an ignorance of Australia! He explained exactly why.

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What insult?

And no - he gave no reasons.

He claimed that Australia was superior because they are a "full democracy" - which he has no basis for claiming.

The US is a Constitutional Republic.

And no one has convinced anyone that redistricting is somehow wrong in any way.

Steve Lookner is reporting that claim that the bullets and gun had "symbols" of "trans/antifa ideology" is mistaken reporting. Some low level law enforcement must have been the source, but it's incorrect misindentification. The gun (a .30 caliber hunting rifle) and ammo are being taken to Quantico for analysis by the FBI.

There's no evidence of politically partisan motivation so far, as far as I'm concerned. Trump and other MAGA supporters are playing up that is was an obvious left-wing attack, but that seems unfounded speculation at this point.

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So, that's the thing. There doesn't seem to be depth. It's very much one dimensional in terms of how they talk about God. I have been there for a year and it's all about love, compassion and using examples of everyday life to tie it together but it just seems elementary, scripted and scaled down for the masses, I guess?

Also, I was raised in the US and this is an English church. I don't know if I should expect these differences? It's the first church I've been to here so I have nothing to compare. They don't do alter calls but they invite people to discuss any questions about getting saved with elders after the service.

Thanks for the tips. He has said he doesn't mind if we leave but I am worried about rocking the boat because he's not introverted, as such, but this is all new to him and he seems to enjoy the praise singing, the familiarity and the routine of it, I guess. I know that's not a good enough reason to stay, for me especially, but I worry for him and my kid.

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Well then you could stay an additional year and talk to the elder about your husband getting saved in a church he likes. That’s the most important step for him, whiles he is happy. Which is additional fuel to get saved. It’s Gods goodness that helps us repent’. Then discuss it and move on when he gets some maturity. It sounds like I have it all figured out…. But you said there were opportunities to learn ministry, you could do that…

DaisyDay said:

He was not particularly bright, but he was politically shrewd and very aggressive.

Not disputing that.

But you're describing an alternate reality, deliberately offensive.

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Charlie Kirk was exceptionally brilliant and effective. You are just applying copium.

Zaha Torte said:

The topic is abortion. People keep claiming there is some magic argument out there, but they never share it.

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The topic is the anonymity of the doctors prescribing mail order abortion medication.

DaisyDay said:

I thought that was what you were getting at but you framed the question in such a way that all you've actually done is highlight your own ignorance and assumptions.

Your hypothetical defined murder a certain way then asked if something were not how you defined it, would it be what you defined - obviously, it would not. That has absolutely nothing to do with my morals and everything to do with your lack of logic. I am not the drifter here.

In other words, another clumsy, failed got-cha.

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My argument is that what is or is not murder can get complicated - but not in regard to abortion.

If any nation's government selected a group of people and claimed that it was not only legal - but that it was a good thing to kill them - that would not change the fact that that nation has legalized and encouraged murder.

If we operate by your flimsy and every flip-flopping subjective definition - then you would need to speak out against the results of the Nuremburg Trials.

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That's unlikely and an inflammatory accusation. Watch yourself - take a breath and stop making unwarranted attacks.

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You have given me no reason to believe that that would be unlikely.

You believe it permissible to kill the unborn because it is legal - so if you are willing to go to that extreme - why not the lesser evil?

DaisyDay said:

I'm not a Democrat, you know. And Democrats of the 1860s became the Republicans of the 1960s.

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That never happened and you are not convincing me.

DaisyDay said:

No such arguments are allowed here, so...

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I was speaking in the general.

Postvieww said:

A very inaccurate portrayal of Charlie who was well known for civil discourse with those who disagreed with him.

Again an inaccurate portrayal of his events . If there was outrage it was from those that mistakenly thought they were smarter and could not deal with his factual debate.

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"Civil discourse"... you mean like saying the 1964 Civil Rights Act was a mistake, or that Martin Luther King Jr. was a person of poor character? Or the same guy that said that gays should be stoned to death. How exactly is that "civil discourse"?

DOW breaks 46,000.

ETA: DOW falls below 46,000.

The bad economic news continues.

rambot said:

Hey man....WHATEVER it takes to make the right look good and the left look bad.

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Such a weird timeline we are in.

It's been a strange week or 2. I don't want this to be a political discussion, but now this one guy got shot dead too. It's just all been a reminder we're all on borrowed time.

Carl Emerson said:

I had experienced a prodigal’s return

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For a while I was quite into self-righteously judging and looking down my nose at pretty much everyone.

Carl Emerson said:

repeatedly, when God impacted a whole society

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Well, God's word says God gives "increase", right? So, if some whole society thing takes off, God keeps giving increase.

Carl Emerson said:

He sent word to John, in order that these would be no doubt, “the blind receive sight, the lame walk, those who have leprosy are cured, the deaf hear, the dead are raised, and the good news is preached to the poor.”

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That is what Jesus used with John who perhaps had given in to doubting. So, Jesus reached him at his level of that time. So, that might not have been the golden standard of how Jesus confirms Himself.

Carl Emerson said:

these signs confirm the presence of Jesus.

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Why are certain people giving so much attention to this outward confirmation????

Carl Emerson said:

in the early church

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And how mature were those Christians, who had just started in the Holy Spirit.

I would say . . . in any case . . . first be submissive to God, yourself. And you will have exactly all that God has for you . . . right *n*o*w*. And He will do with you all that He pleases, right now . . . because of you obeying Him now.

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Those committed to our church work have become sophisticated and professional. They are generally well trained, talented individuals, able to lead, good managers, but are usually unfamiliar with the power of Jesus at work.

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So . . . if we obey Jesus, this will connect us with others who are obeying Jesus . . . now. So, I would not spend much time on ones who are not obeying the Lord Jesus who died for us and rose on the third day from the dead. We can have a way of connecting with ones who are like us and who support how we are ready to see things.

Right now, Jesus can do whatsoever He pleases with any of us.

Carl Emerson said:

We need to return to the early church model clearly represented in the first Jerusalem Church (Acts 2:42-47), and the writings of Paul.

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Well, I have offered how the early church did not have people who were forty or fifty years mature and growing in Christ. They did have gifts, though, which are good and perfect like God Himself, in them; however, they had not matured in love to make them good and perfect like the Holy Spirit operating those gifts.

However, our Apostle Paul . . . by the time he wrote certain epistles, he might have been more than forty or fifty years mature and growing in Jesus. So, I would not lump the early new church together with Paul when he became mature enough to write what may be his more mature letters.

And look how John became able to write, and Peter . . . I would say, after they grew for decades in the Lord and relating and sharing with God's people.

Praying for your healing.

Zaha Torte said:

I have no reason to believe you and believe this is just cope.

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I mean, other than I don’t lie, have no reason to lie, and your argument makes zero sense…? Ok. Rock on.

Zaha Torte said:

People keeping making a lot of claims about the things I say - but never any attempt to refute them.

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For much the same reason most of us don’t take the time to reason with the person yelling at a mailbox, I suspect. Not being one who lives in a world where my reality involves having a grudge with a mailbox, there’s not much I can say about it… Not because they’re bringing up some really good points and owning the mailbox, but because they’re yelling. At a mailbox.

Either it will work itself out and they’ll rejoin reality with the rest of us, or they won’t. Regardless, there’s nothing I can say in either case to make them realize yelling at a mailbox is craziness.

Larniavc said:

Americans.

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What kind?

iluvatar5150 said:

oooohhhh.... that's what we're working with... ok


Oh? I don't remember that. To what are you referring? I do recall the incident in Charlottesville, and the incident in Austin, some others where I can see the visuals but forget the location, a couple different states trying to make it easier to run over protestors,

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There was a brown guy up here in my home town who went after people....but he wasn't targetting any race or anything.

Praying for your success.

-Luca said:

If successful, I can move to Japan with my partner, who is also Japanese and is planning to return there.

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Just a note on this, is your partner a Christian, do you plan to marry?

rjs330 said:

I don't recall anyone saying that. As we learned from Charlies death "punishing" your opposition doesn't work. We can't punish our way out of the rhetoric the left is spewing. The only way to stop this violence is for those who are on the left to do it themselves. We can punish the perpetrators of violence, but only those on the ideological side of those who would do this can stop it.

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So you missed when Goldenboy posted a dozen calls for civil war from the right hey?

Zaha Torte said:

Americans want guns so we can protect innocent people from criminals and a tyrannical government.

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Maybe that's what Kirk's killer thought they were doing?

Because that's the problem - everyone will define what their version of "a tyrannical government" is.