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Open Doors Highlights And Prayer Points Nov-Dec 2025

1. Please pray for the verdict of what happened to abducted pastor Raymond Koh, due 5 November in Indonesia. Amazingly, Susanna Koh is still thanking God and thinking of how Raymond's case can be used for God's glory.

2. Believe it or not in some areas and communities in Mexico Christians face persecution. Ten year old Alissa had her pet dog poisoned, while poisoned the dog licked Alissa's sister, sending her to hospital. Alissa's former best friend is no longer friends with her due to Alissa's faith and all of her classmates bully her.

3. We learn of another child Robin from Bangladesh- at his village and at school he is blanked and simply known as 'The Christian'. His mum came to faith first, then her husband had a false conversion, then Robin came to Christ.

Robin and his family had fellowship at a local house church but one day a mob came to destroy it, thankfully all the brothers and sisters in Christ were warned in advance and managed to avoid the mob but the building was destroyed.

Jubayer (Robin's dad) obviously had a false conversion as he went with his own parents and tried to force Robin and his mum Moly to leave Christ- they would not so Jubayer divorced Moly and Jubayer refuses to provide them with financial help.

It was very moving to read how Moly encourages her son Robin with Bible stories and how at Christmas they gather at an event where Robin can play with other Christian children who know what he is going through and Moly can talk to other brothers and sisters in Christ.

4. I did a post awhile back on Jorina from Bangladesh - despite all she has been through she has a passion to serve other persecuted sisters in Christ. Hear her quote "If we live, we should live for the Lord. If we die, let it be for the glory of the Lord."

5. I mentioned pastor Yang from Myanmar and once again his family were displaced but now he has made the bold decision to return to the place he was displaced from to serve other believers. What a shepherds heart.

6. In the lead up to Open Doors IDOP event remember the words of our sister in Christ Khada from Afghanistan- "In a world that often forgets us, just knowing that someone, somewhere, is praying with a bright heart for us means that we are seen".

7. Dayang from the Southern Phillipines is yet another child that suffers for her faith in Christ- no other student at school will sit next to her, she is mocked for her prayers and on a recent afternoon she was injured by fellow students after they threw rocks at her. It was moving how Dayang's mother strengthens her in her faith in Christ.

Bonus Video

This will hit home- see a Nigerian pastor reacting to a massacre as he is conducting a burial.

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OSAS - I was wrong...again

OSAS is absolutely true, sinning to cheat grace is already dealt with in Paul's letters. OSAS does not mean genuine Christians don't grow in holiness.

God would not save someone from hell and then push them back into hell and say "just kidding".

“God loves the saints as the purchase of his Son's blood. They cost Him dear, and that which is so hardly got shall not be easily lost. He that was willing to expend his Son's blood to gain them, will not deny His power to keep them.” William Gurnall
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US Citizens detained for hours during massive immigration raid that empties Chicago apartment building in the middle of the night

It's been a month.

So far the government has alleged only two gang members were among those arrested. This is what required helicopters and zip-tying citizens.

Takeaways from AP report on a Chicago raid that signals a major escalation of immigration crackdown

The raid, led by U.S. Customs and Border Protection, targeted the Venezuelan gang Tren de Aragua, though officials said only two of the 37 immigrants arrested were gang members.
So there was Tren de Aragua there. And apparently 37 other illegals immigrants. Sounds like a successful raid. So they thought there more there. The fact that there were at least 2 is good enough for me.
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Trump live updates: President expands ‘narco’ boat strikes to Pacific Ocean as 8th boat is struck

How do you feel about legislative terrorists? Do they have it coming too?
Whats a legislative terrorist? Would that be Cuomo who killed thousands of old people in NYC?
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There’s a Giant Flaw in Human History

You can't skip provenance, all the vases in that article from Max was from Bealls collection. Not one of them have good provenance. If you keep using them as examples I'm going to point out their bad provenance.
Hum surely the idea that they don't have good provedence is subjective. Many date back to the mid to early 20th century. The problem is going to be that just about every vase including the ones in museums will date back to this period and mabe later 19th century. Because this is when they were discovered.

So many went to private collectors or were donated to museums. But even then theres no certificate of guarentee that they came directly from digs. So the whole provenance thing can be used subjectively.

Therefore we can determine their authenticity in other ways. For example the vases may have unique signatures that are exactly the same for which forgers would not bother. Little witness marks.

Also the owners of vases who sold them trace back to authentic people who had recieved them from digs. So its only one more step in the chain.

Still we have vases with good provenance that have the exact same signatures which lend weight to them being from the same sources.

But do you notice that in attacking the provenance people are actually admitting the vases are too modern to be from such early times. Which makes the ones with good prevenance out of place.
So no context for the one found under Mastaba 17?
Yes, they were found under the Stepped pyramid and Mastaba 17. There were 1,000s of vases let along fragments because of collapses. So found under dirt and rubble and there for as long as the pyramids they are in. But many have engravings from predyanstic kings.
Is that an actual ongoing dig? Any organics that could be carbon dated? Is the fragments from the same time as other proposed predynastic vases, if not why are we talking about them in conjunction?
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Karl Barth's doctrine of repentance

Could you possibly explain the the tenses for me, I am not sure the meaning AORIST?
And the AORIST. TENSE means is a simple Past tense and it correspomds. to our. past tense.

AND you can GOOGLE IT , but I have book called A MANUEL GRAMMER OF THE GREEK. NEW THEAMENT

by DANA. and MANTEY. and try a CHRISTIAN USED BOOK STORE and have brought a lot books by. ROBERT

C BROCK

that has NOTES , but he died many years ago , AND HAD. the opportunity. to visit his ASSEMBLY. in FLORIDA. and what a

TEACHER. and you can ask anything. an. be glad to help anytime. !!

And there is the PERFECT TENSE , Is a. present. results. is based on. a PAST ACT

The INDICATIVE MOOD. used to express Facts

the SUBJUNCATIVE MOOD , WHICH. ARE POSSIBILITIES. of thing that can HAPPEN

And the Imperative MOOD. to Express Commands

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Does Regeneration Precede Faith?

Why do those who take a drink, do so? Do they have the natural capacity apart from saving grace?
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God has given every person born the ability to exercise faith in something.
Atheist have faith in science and what evidence science presents, kids believe there actualy is a santa claus that brings their presents, etc.. . People either convict or exonerate because the evidence presented at a trial, so they either come to believe a person is innocent or guilty because of evidence.

When Jesus was alive and walking on earth in and around Jerusalem. People either believe in Jesus because they personally saw the miracles (the evidence) Jesus was doing or were told about what Jesus was doing by people who saw what Jesus was doing. And because The Tanakh fore told of a promise coming Messiah and gave signs as to who this person would be.

The woman then left her waterpot, went her way into the city, and said to the men, “Come, see a Man who told me all things that I ever did. Could this be the Christ?” Then they went out of the city and came to Him.
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And many of the Samaritans of that city believed in Him because of the word of the woman who testified, “He told me all that I ever did.” So when the Samaritans had come to Him, they urged Him to stay with them; and He stayed there two days. And many more believed because of His own word.

Now in contemporary times people come to believe in Jesus because of the witness of The Bible and the drawing of God to the truth presented in The Bible, that Jesus is The Christ. Especially The Gospel of John as it was specifically written to people who have not yet come to believe in Jesus for God's free gift of Eternal life.

And truly Jesus did many other signs in the presence of His disciples, which are not written in this book; but these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing you may have life in His name.

Now when a person believes in Jesus, they have become convinced that what has been written in The Bible is true. That eternal life is received by belief in Jesus, The Gospel of John states this many times 10+
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OSAS - I was wrong...again

This reasoning of yours is common among those I have seen who tries to argue that OSAS will also apply during Daniel's 70th week.

Since the Tribulation will last about 7 years, in the end you are actually saying the same thing as me.

That you are not assured of salvation even if you believe the gospel, say in year 1. Because if you end up taking the mark later, say in year 6 or 7, then your faith failed the test.

Which is the same as saying that there is no such thing as OSAS: You are not a true believer, until you show that, for the entire 7 years, you will not take the mark of the beast.
What about all the people who believe and die long before the mark of the beast becomes the ultimate test? It seems to me your scenario is a straw man, because it appears to be set up for failure. There is plenty of evidence for OSAS in the NT that you can find, if you care to look for it. But if you persist against the idea, your only recourse is to live in the fear of eternal condemnation, wondering whether or not you'll make it. Might as well join the popes and cardinals who admit they don't know where they will end up.
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Great guitarists

Another different style;

Paco de Lucia​

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Yep and I think the classic Spanish guitar was the orginal lead guitar. Great stuff. I have memories of westerns where theres a scene and the flamingo guitar is playing in the background. It makes the scene.

But also I think there are the middle eastern and Indian versions of stringed instruments like the Oud or Sitar that have a similar sound but perhaps are tuned differently. They have the flamingo sound. Its sort of a version of folk music but of a different pitch perhaps.
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Great guitarists

Phil keagy is in my opinion the best christian guitarist;
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Here is one that doesn't showcase his guitar, but I believe you believers who support the right to life will enjoy this.

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Love Phil Keagy. I remember catching the train to my mums in the country and listening to his guitar work. It was great because he was a Christian and I thought how could a Christian play so good lol. I think his guitarwork actually sounded Christian lol. Just the way he placed the notes.
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Great guitarists

Man he is good. I like Rick Beato's videos on music and he knows what he is talking about. As he says Guthrie's inprovisation is second to none. Unbelievable. Even looking at his fingers. I wish I had fingers like that. They look like a giant Tarantula crawling up and down the guitar neck. His reach is unreal.

Like Rick says you can't even tell the technique because there isn't any. I watched his picking hand and he was just picking real fast of singular strings with his other the fingers on the other hand moving as fast to the picking. Sometimes its sounding like jazz and running all over the place but all sounding good. Thankyou great stuff.
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Meditation

Do you have a spiritual director? Some like centering prayer AKA contemplative prayer is where you empty your mind and focus on a single word. I've known some Benedictine priests and sisters who regularly practice it.
So, emptying my mind and just focusing on the name Jesus, saying “Jesus” over and over is ok?
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The Thing Most Sabbath Keepers Do not Talk About.

Hmm, we must have a different understanding. I personally would never spend my time arguing against something I am really for. If this is the case for you, I will probably move on after this post, because it’s not a good way to spend my time.
Agreed no one earns salvation by keeping any law. The law is kept as a result of ones heart being changed by Christ and keeping God’s commandments are a consequence of salvation, not a means to it. Rev 14:12 Why God’s laws are perfect for converting the soul Psa19:7 its obeying by faith that saves, the action is a consequence of that faith, and shows if our faith is genuine or not.
“Keeping the Law” means different things to different people. Some think it refers only to the Ten Commandments, while others believe it includes the immediate commands of the Holy Spirit and is therefore much broader than the Ten Commandments. But the fact remains that for the born-again believer, sin is no longer primarily about the Law—it is about a Person: Jesus Christ.

Scripture plainly teaches that believers in Christ are no longer under the Law as a covenant or as a means of righteousness before God. Paul states directly, “For sin shall not have dominion over you, for you are not under law but under grace” (Romans 6:14), and again, “If you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law” (Galatians 5:18). To be “under the Law” is to be under its condemnation and jurisdiction as the system that determines one’s standing before God. That entire system has been replaced.

The Law was given for a temporary purpose—to point forward to Christ. Paul explains, “The law was our tutor to bring us to Christ… but after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor” (Galatians 3:24–25). Christ is the fulfillment and goal of the Law, for “Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes” (Romans 10:4). Once the promised Savior arrived, the tutor’s role was complete.

In our union with Christ, believers have died to the Law’s authority. “You also have become dead to the law through the body of Christ… that you may be married to another” (Romans 7:4). A death changes legal jurisdiction—just as the law of marriage no longer governs a widow, so the Law of Moses no longer governs those joined to Christ by faith.

Because of this, righteousness no longer comes through law-keeping but through Jesus Christ alone. Paul insists that we “are not justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ” (Galatians 2:16), and warns that if righteousness were still attainable through the Law, “then Christ died in vain” (Galatians 2:21). The cross nullifies any attempt to earn acceptance before God through commandments.

This transition from Law to Christ reflects the major shift in redemptive history—the new covenant has replaced the old. Hebrews 8:13 says that by establishing a “new covenant,” Christ has made the first “obsolete.” Hebrews 10:9 adds, “He takes away the first that He may establish the second.” The covenantal system in which the Law operated has been decisively superseded by the work and authority of Christ.

Therefore, Christians do not live lawlessly—we live under a new and better authority: the law of Christ, empowered by the Holy Spirit. “The law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death” (Romans 8:2). As we bear one another’s burdens, we “fulfill the law of Christ” (Galatians 6:2). The Spirit writes God’s moral will on our hearts and empowers what the old covenant could only demand externally.

Sin still exists, because at its root sin is rebellion against God’s authority. But Jesus Christ takes us beyond mere law-keeping into true holiness—holiness not measured by the Law but by God Himself. He leads us not into a life obsessed with rules, but into a life transformed by His presence, reflecting His character, and empowered by His grace.

Agreed, but no one is keeping the spiritual aspect of the law by breaking the actual law itself. As Jesus demonstrated from the Ten Commandments Mat5:19-30
One can't break what they are no longer under. What we are under is greater than the law. Looking at the law all the time means we are not looking at Christ the real author and finisher of our faith.
Its not our standards that matters it God’s standards. Showing what God’s Word says (His standards) is not judging. Its hoping one would consider His word.
God is not a bean counter that holds us up to His standard. God is our good father. If you have kids, do you put yur standard above them? He is not one who says love me or else I will kill you, He is a father calling the spiritually dead back to life. If they refuse He will not force them.

Christ came to reveal the Father to us, something the law can only dimmly filicker at. We have the law giver now instead of the law.
Again, we should look to God’s standards not ours on how to keep the Sabbath, the Sabbath commandment did not go undefined by God. Exo20:8-11 Isa58:13 Lev 23:3 as its been pointed out a few times now.
It does not address some of our modern life styles. For instance, do you purchase electricity on the sabbath? If use any type of electricity, then you do. Do you run your furnace in the winter at your house? You are violating the 4th commandment if you do. We could go on but as you can see it is not as easy as one would think unless they thought that they had it right and everyne elsehad it wrong.
There is not two ways to practice the law. God never gave us the Ten Commandments and said now you pick the ones you wish to practice, they were never called the Ten recommendations or the Ten suggestions. A commandment is just that. And by faith we should obey even if it doesn’t always make sense to us, but trust God has a perfect plan and knows what He is doing.
Do you have picture or sculptures in your house. That is violating the 2 command. You might say that that is way too petty--well there you go interpreting how you're going to keep the law. Thou shall not kill. What about mice, or mosquitoes? If you say those are Ok to kill, then you have interpreted the law in a way that makes sense to you.
You are referring to the Pharisees who were not keeping God’s Sabbath, their were keeping their own manmade sabbath that sadly man does today , they just apply it to a different day that God never sanctified for holy use, but said it was for works and labors. Exo 20:9
And you think that this is not possible even in this day in age. Examine your own feelings. Do you feel more knowledgeable, more obedient, mor righteous than a person who keeps Sunday? If you don't, if you actually feel shoulder to shoulder with your fellow sunday keeping christians, then why spend time critiquing their law keeping?

The pharasees felt that they were just as good if not better at keeping the law than you or I. So, what is the difference? What makes your sabbath keeping superior to theirs?
I think we need to get back to God’s standards of righteousness Psa 119:172 Isa 56:1-2 as His is everlasting Psa 119:142 and not fall back on depending on our own version of what is right or wrong.
You can't help it. No human can. We all are prone to think that we have it right and those who see it differently have it wrong. But the bible says that we each fall or rise to our owmn master.
Our righteousness (version of right or wrong) is as filthy rags. It’s best to let God be God and serve and obey Him, the way He said through love and faith.
Even then it is still like filthy rags. What we need is Christ's righteousness which takes us beyond the mere keeping of the Ten Commandments to fellowship With Christ as our elder brother and God Almaighty as our Loving Father.
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Poetry Corner

Heaven-Sent​
You are heaven-sent.
I am in a hole. I am on an island all alone. It is dark, and I am sad. Will it get easier, or always be this bad?
Heaven-sent.
I want it all to stop. Losing you is such a profound loss. My heart hurts. Could it get any worse?
Heaven-sent.
I want it all to go away. But what can I say? I will always love you for the rest of my days.
Heaven-sent.
You are an angel, a beautiful light on a starry night. You are here to make sure that the ones you love are all right.
You are heaven-sent.
March 31st, 2025​
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Elijah Comes First

I think that there is still evidence for a difference to this day among christians who have responded to the call of God and have conviction of sin (which is what john's baptism was)

vs those who have been born again and baptized with the Holy Spirit.

and such a distinction would explain a significant number of disagreements between entire denominations.
Those who rejected Jesus of Nazareth rejected John the Baptist first.

Luke 7:28 For I say to you, among those born of women there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist; but he who is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he. 29 And when all the people heard Him, even the tax collectors justified God, having been baptized with the baptism of John. 30 But the Pharisees and lawyers rejected the will of God for themselves, not having been baptized by him.

John 1:6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John...6:29 Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.

The Question: Does the Church look for the coming of Elijah? Would he come to Israel, or to the remnant of Judah who remain in Iran?
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