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JPPT1974 · Sep 13, 2025

Just how we think that
We don't need at all help
But we love to do things
All by ourselves and how
You and I think that we really
Can handle it until we can
Bit off more than we can
Chew as we are way in over our heads.

JPPT1974 · Sep 13, 2025

JPPT1974's Weekend Thoughts 9/12-9/14/2025:
For how we want to
Really be the kind of
People that want to keep
On doing things by ourselves
Thinking that we can do things
Getting it over and done and
Stubborn as that is our middle
Names by wanting to do it ourselves.

JPPT1974 · Sep 13, 2025

JPPT1974's Thurs Thoughts 9/11/2025:
For we want to do things
All by ourselves and how
You and I want to do things
By ourselves and also how
We just want to think that by
Doing things by ourselves we
Can get it done like asap here.

JPPT1974 · Sep 13, 2025

JPPT1974's Wed Thoughts 9/10/2025:
Nobody at all likes to
Be asking for help as
They are in the better to
Give than to receive and
How that they just think that
Really they want to do things
All by themselves as I plead guilty to that.

Oompa Loompa · Sep 13, 2025

rebornfree said:
I can't get over the fact that he's only 22; hardly out of adolescence - a time when kids try and find out who they are, what they think and what life means. For his generation it must be such a confusing world, with political hatred on both sides, social media with all sorts of ideas and disinformation abounding. He's not a middle-aged man with years experience of life. It's tragic. I hope he doesn't get the death penalty. The world we live in is partly to blame. I'm not saying he shouldn't be punished, but not that.

There is so much I want to say but I cannot.

Dan1988 · Sep 13, 2025

fhansen said:
Are you saying Jesus tells us to do things that can't be done? Is it impossible to remain in Him? And for what reason would He use the term "if" unless it were also possible for us to fail to remain in Him?

And all you're doing here is changing your tack anyway after obviously being wrong in the posts we're referencing.

Again, you fail to understand what the simple word "if" means. Again "if" is not a command. You keep confusing the covenant of grace, with the covenant of the law. Jesus never commanded, or demanded, or insisted, or set any conditions, or any laws, nor did He require anyone to do anything in order to be saved.

I have asked you many times o show me a single verse in the Bible, where Jesus did any of the above and all you could do is refer to the unrelated "if" verses. Why don't we find "if" in any of the commandments???...

According to your version of the gospel the 10 commandments should have been written in the following format. Can you see why your version of the gospel doesn't make any sense.

If I am the LORD your God; you shall not have strange gods before me.
If You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain.
If You Remember to keep holy the LORD’s Day.
If You Honor your father and mother.
If You shall not kill.
If You shall not commit adultery.
If You shall not steal.
If You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
If You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife.
If You shall not covet your neighbor’s goods.

Marilyn C · Sep 13, 2025

Aristarkos said:
Hello Marilyn, did you read post #8 ?

Aristarkos

Yes, I have just gone back to refresh myself of your thoughts.

I believe Paul wrote the epistle to the Romans in AD 60. He wrote it from Corinth during the apostle`s third visit to that city. And the Body of Christ started at Pentecost.

Note that when the Lord ascended he gave some to be apostles, some prophets etc. And we can read of those ascension ministries -

1 Thess. (AD 54 from Corinth) 1: 1 Paul and Silvanus and Timothy.......2: 6 `....when WE might have made demands as apostles of Christ.`

Acts 14: 14 `But when the apostles Barnabas and Paul...`

And many other examples of Apostles in the Body of Christ before Acts 28: 28.

You see just as today with Israel in their land and the Body of Christ still here, there is a lap over period where the two purposes run side by side.

stevevw · Sep 13, 2025

Tuur said:
You don't need massive pressure. You don't need CMC. All you need is a way to spin it. That's it. Modern urns are made on lathes. Just mount the shaft vertically would simply things. Put tar on top of a shaft, secure the block to the tar, and turn. Use sheep's skin with the wool still on it, and you've got your pad. Mount the pad on a wood frame and spare you hands plus get a better product. That's all that's needed. Would take longer than a modern lathe holding a chunk of stone, like they do it now, but it's still do-able. No steel, no computers, no electricity, just ingenuity.

What? Djoser wants more power? Put a beam on the shaft and hook up an ox. Ox turns shaft. Slow but plenty of torque. Now Djoser really presses that grinding pad against it.

What? Djoser is in a hurry? Forget grinding pads; he's going for MORE POWER! So he replaces the pad with a stone for grinding. He pours water on it as it turns, making a nice, gritty, slurry that cuts into the stone. Now we're talking! Got to make that deadline.

To simply things, Djoser has an idea: bores out the center first, mounts that on the shaft, and now it's more secure. There's a risk he could break it turning it, but it's solidly in place. Then, when the outside is done, he grinds out the inside more.

All it takes is looking at the problem and thinking of ways to solve it with what's at hand.

Thats good that you are thinking that way. At least its delving into the process and walking through it step by step. For which we can then look in more detail at eash step.

I agree some basic principles could be engaged. The obvious and big one is the turning wheel. This revolutionised pottery. We can see the signatures of a turned pot as opposed to one shaped by hand.

But we can also look at the signatures and tell certain witness marks show something even beyond these rudimentary contraptions. Even if a bit sophisticated.

One is that the wall paintings we see of a wheel like device to rotate the work was not around in the predynastic times. Certainly not one capable of turning and cutting hard stones.

What your forgetting is regardless of how they did and even if they did setup some fairly sophisticated turning device with Ox power. The problem is getting the specific 3D object from the cutting devices movements. There is no pre programmed design in the device. Certainly not one that can make specific shapes aligning with preset math. That speaks of modern CMC.

This was the finding from the analysis on these vases of the micro signatures. It pointed to some sort of preset design within the output of the cutting device that cut and shaped to specific lines. Lines that amount near perfect alignments and ratios within the vase that are seen in nature.

Why this particular geometry should be reflected in these vases beats me.

BPPLEE · Sep 13, 2025

Aldebaran said:
Considering how this guy, and the Healthcare CEO killer (Luigi) and others are deciding to remain alive after they do their assassinating, I'm starting to wonder if they value the admiration they get from their fans more than they fear any punishment they'll receive.

My point was that people don’t fear the death penalty when they think they are going to get away with their crimes. They are more likely to refrain from committing crimes if there’s a high probability that they will get caught, regardless of the severity of their punishment.
But I agree with you, I think they like the attention more than they fear being executed

FireDragon76 · Sep 13, 2025

Vambram said:
Turning Point USA is a multi million dollar organization. That doesn't mean that Charlie Kirk himself was a millionaire.

His mansion in Scottsdale was worth 4.7 million dollars, and he owned a Florida vacation home worth $887,000.

Dan1988 · Sep 13, 2025

fhansen said:
You're being vague again, whole trying to sound profound apparently. It means nothing to say that Jesus is the truth unless one has some specifics about what that means, Who He is and what demands that places on us.

Jesus doesn't place any demands on anyone, He knows better than that. He knows that our hearts are wicked above all things, He knows that we can't stop sinning, He knows we will fail to meet "His demands" every single day.

So why would Jesus set Himself up to be disappointed every single day with every single believer. I haven't found a single verse in the Bible to support this notion that Jesus places demands on anyone.

I don't need to keep the law, because Jesus kept it on my behalf and He imputed His righteousness onto me. I don't need to be sinless, because Jesus became sin for me and all my sin was imputed to Him. I don't need to pay the penalty foe any of my past, present or future sins, because Jesus paid for all of my past, present and future sins.

We hold to radically opposed versions of the gospel, I haven't found a single verse in the Bible to support the "saved by works" version of the gospel.

BPPLEE · Sep 12, 2025

7thKeeper said:
I think that's been established a long time ago that the death penalty does little to absolutely nothing deter crime.

Research suggests that the likelihood of being caught and punished is a stronger deterrent than the severity of the punishment itself.

7thKeeper · Sep 12, 2025

wing2000 said:
Was the incursion a mistake?
Or was Russia probing NATO's defenses?

It's in this case bit of a probe and also trying to use that airspace to attack Ukraine from a direction they hope there's less air defenses around. They've been doing air incursions for several, several decades over here (always by "accident" of course). We scramble jets and chase them away. And that same old song and dance goes on.

7thKeeper · Sep 12, 2025

MehGuy said:
I think the general people on the left's thoughts actually carry more weight than what their scripted politicians have to say about this assassination. Especially in this day and age of social media.

Hardly. The people heard on social media are always the loud minority, the vast majority don't post at all. It's pretty useless to draw conclusions from that.

Dan1988 · Sep 12, 2025

fhansen said:
Um ..yes, That's what it means to be connected to the Vine.

Luke 12:48 isn't the parable of the talents. That would be in Matt 25. Luke 12:48 just says that some are given more and some are given less and from those given more, more will be demanded. The parable of the talents follows along that same line, and demonstrates that those who bury or otherwise refuse to "invest" what they've been given will be booted from the kingdom.

Not sure how you came to the conclusion that someone can be "booted out of the kingdom", but I can assure you that it's not true. If it were true then God would be a liar.

You will not find a single verse in the Bible to support this notion that salvation can be lost. That idea was invented by Jacob Arminius, his version of the gospel is the man centred "saved by works", legalism. But, the God centred "saved by grace" gospel, is not dependant on your ability to keep the law.

So, you obviously believe that a saved person can lose his salvation and get booted out of the kingdom and that is true if you hold to the man centred gospel. Man is not infallible, so he is bound to fail.

7thKeeper · Sep 12, 2025

BPPLEE said:
I used to strongly support the death penalty but two people that I arrested have been put to death, both over 20 years after they committed their crimes and other than the families of the victims I don’t think very many people noticed or cared. I really don’t think it accomplished much in the way of deterring crime.

I think that's been established a long time ago that the death penalty does little to absolutely nothing deter crime.

SavedByGrace3 · Sep 12, 2025

I would say we are at about verse 32 of the cycle...

Romans 1:18-32 KJV
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

Aristarkos · Sep 12, 2025

Marilyn C said:
Hi Aristarkos,

It is the same mystery of the Body of Christ for the Apostle Paul was telling the Ephesians and also the Romans in their separate letters.

Hello Marilyn, did you read post #8 ?

Aristarkos

johansen · Sep 12, 2025

i have not seen biden speak coherently for the last 4 years.

stevevw · Sep 12, 2025

Yarddog said:
When? Charlie Kirk has spoken on many topics. He was good about allowing free debate but he also was condemning about some topics. How were people from the gay community supposed to respond when he wanted to take away their rights?

That he was willing to come and allow anyone including gays to speak their beliefs and views is the point. That the situation was created to accommodate alternative views. If a gay person believed their rights were being denied Kirk would not deny them saying so.

I think people confuse that because Kirk will then reason why he may disagree with the beliefs of others that somehow this is hateful.

But I am not sure what you mean when you say accommodating gays. Just hearing them, giving them a platform is accommodating them or anyone else who has a different belief or view. Are you saying KIrk should agree with the beliefs and ideas of those who disagree with him.

That he then responds by giving his belief and that it clashes with the opposing belief does not mean he is not accommodating. He is accommodating the person and their beliefs. Just not agreeing with them. That is not hate.

He does not say, well you are damned to hell you evil sinner, or you must be forced to follow my Christian beliefs. But this is exactly what some opponents are doing to him. He only has to mention God or his belief in marriage and people are triggered and overreact.. We have seen the same in how people are cancelled for saying the wrong words.

Thats because the political has become the personal and words now becoming a matter of life and death in some peoples eyes to the point they must cancel and even violently stop alternative beliefs that conflict with their own.

KIrks death was the result of the over personalising of politics to the point his ability to say words had to be completely taken out. His mouth had to be stopped because some did not like the words coming out of his mouth. The beliefs he expressed. They percieved just the mention of this as hate.

Which is the result of a long period of cultivating such thinking and belief. The last 20 odd years have been the manifestion into the wider society from academic ideologues who have managed to manipulate many young minds.

In fact part of Kirks mission was to enlighten young minds with critical thinking. Which ironically was suppose to be the very universities he was engaging in. Promoting free thought and healthy thinking and not hatred and controlled thinking and words.

GoldenBoy89 · Sep 12, 2025

rebornfree said:
I hope he doesn't weigh in. Let him concentrate on his ballroom. Then the court can decide on the facts of the case, not on the victim being the President's friend.

We used to have presidents who stayed out of things like this. In fact, I remember when a young man, Trayvon Martin was killed and President Obama weighed in on the case it cause quite a stink on the right. People accused him of being divisive and fanning the flames of racism in the country.

BPPLEE · Sep 12, 2025

rjs330 said:
I feel so horrible for this dad. I cant imagine the pain in his heart.

It will really be hard for the father if his son gets the death penalty after he turned him in. I guess it’s still better for him than his son committing suicide or getting killed while avoiding capture.

FireDragon76 · Sep 12, 2025

iluvatar5150 said:
MAGAdonians sure do love handing over their cash to millionaires, don’t they?

Even after death, the grift continues.

Wolseley · Sep 12, 2025

FaithT said:
It’s not my viewpoint. I think that will just result in more shootings. It would turn into something like the wild west.

Maybe. But only for about six months.

After that, the hotheads will be pushing up daisies, and the rest will be a lot....more....cautious.

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