For clarity I will repost the Hubble equations:-

Hubble Constant (Ho) fixed to light speed, C and calculated as 71 k/s/Mpc



Ho is now "fixed" to local light speed, C by this simple Ho equation worked in the old algebra style of Maxwell:-


2 x oneMpc x C, divided by Pi to the power of 21 = 70.9449 k/s/Mpc



In this equation, directly input the values below:-

oneMPC is 3260000 light years

C (local) is 299792.458 k/s

Pi is 3.142..........

Astronomers measuring Ho give the "ballpark" values of Ho, and now we have an Ho equation that "fixes" Ho to
local light speed, C, which has to be much more precise.

Note:- In the numerator, distance (Mpc) is multiplied by speed (k/s), and that is NOT an error in this situation, as the "distance squared" does not affect the numerical value of the Ho redshift by
"spreading out" (as any light source does) when viewing that redshift for Ho along just
one dimension only.

The dimensionless denominator Pi^21 sets the scales of this Ho equation correctly into the Dynamic Aether framework.
The Dynamic Aether Framework is not the static aether that the Michleson-Morley experiment could not detect, but
the Dynamic Aether that Faraday knew caused electrical "reluctance", and that Maxwell used as the basis for his
electric and magnetic "inertia" constants, and used in his Aether equations to calculate light speed. C..


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Hubble Constant (Ho) Hubble Horizon Distance light years calculated from Ho of 70.9449 k/s/Mpc.



oneMpc X C, divided by Ho, and then divided by one billion = 13.7758 billion light Years



In this equation, directly input the values below:-

oneMpc is 3260000 light years

C (local) is 299792.458 k/s

Ho is 70.9449 k/s/Mpc

one billion is 1,000,000,000 used to give the answer in convenient units of
billions of light years.


Note:- This Hubble Horizon Distance equation prevents falsifying the terminology of
declaring light years as years only.



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The "Hubble Tension Issue"

Note:- In the "Dynamic Aether Framework" of the Ho calculating equation in which Ho is "fixed" numerically to C,
the "Hubble Tension issue" is caused by the "DISTANT LOCAL VALUE" of C in the observed space regions being
directly affected by the presence of huge galaxies, black holes. or void areas, RELATIVE to the observer.

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Yarddog said:

They just know that if they stroke Trump's giant ego they get anything they want and then laugh at him behind his back. LOL

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All you are missing is proof.

Hentenza said:

Ok so what charges would you bring against the military and under what law?

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Why would I charge the military? Why would I not charge the ones directing the attack? Are you backing off your claim anything not ruled on by the court is legal?

NewLifeInChristJesus said:

Now we're getting somewhere. In the OP your final statement was that being born again is the root and and faith is the fruit. And now you're clarifying that the outward aspect of faith which leads to salvation is the channel through which being born again is experienced. And these are somehow not contradictory?

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"The channel through which being born again is experienced" is not what I said. You're conflating "salvation" with "being born again." You did not address my question:


Your choice of terminology is problematic. The argument is not that "salvation" as a whole precedes faith. The argument is that regeneration (being born again), which is one element within the broader experience of salvation, logically precedes faith. Regeneration is the divine act of imparting new spiritual life to the sinner, and it is distinct from the full scope of salvation, which also includes justification, adoption, sanctification, and glorification.

σωτηρία ("salvation") is contextually very flexible. In most passages it refers to justification, final deliverance, or the full scope of God's saving work. Only in certain contexts (e.g., Eph. 2:5-8; Titus 3:5) is the term used in a way that is closely associated with regeneration, and even there it is not strictly synonymous. So your use of the term "salvation" as if it automatically equates to regeneration misrepresents both the term's semantic range and the argument of the OP.

So there is no contradiction. Regeneration is the causal root in which God imparts new life; faith is the effect of that imparted life. The two may be simultaneous in experience, yet they are logically ordered. Experientially, one experiences faith and salvation (justification, adoption, etc.) in time; logically, faith presupposes regeneration.

NewLifeInChristJesus said:

The passages I quoted have time sequence in them, and since every person who is now born again, past tense verbs (like aorist and perfect tenses) are used when discussing their conversion/salvation/new birth...

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The passages you quoted don't address regeneration...

NewLifeInChristJesus said:

Eph 1:13 ... The aorist participles indicate timing before that of the main verb. The hearing and the believing preceed the sealing. Since they are active voice, that means it is something the subjects did. But the sealing, being passive, indicates something God did to them.

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Eph. 1:13 does not narrate regeneration. The "sealing" is God's mark of ownership and guarantee of inheritance (v. 14), not the actual imparting of new life. Scripture elsewhere distinguishes the impartation of life (regeneration, e.g., Eph. 2:1-5; Titus 3:5) from the sealing/assurance that follows.

Regeneration is the root; the seal is the effect, confirmation, or mark.

NewLifeInChristJesus said:

Ro 10:13–15 ... In verse 13, calling on Jesus (aorist tense) preceeds Jesus saving them (future tense). ...

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Again, not the issue. We're discussing the relationship between regeneration and faith, not justification and faith. Romans 10:13 is a statement about justification and final salvation, not the technical moment of regeneration. Paul is addressing Jews and Gentiles responding to the gospel. The emphasis is on hearing, believing, calling on the Lord, and receiving salvation. The aorists describe the experiential sequence of response, not the ontological causality of spiritual life.

NewLifeInChristJesus said:

1 Co 1:21 ... God's decision that He would save people who believe in Jesus was made long, long ago. It was solely His decision, and He had no input from others. And His decision to save people who believe in Jesus brought Him pleasure. There is no way to rearange this to say that trust in Christ does not come before salvation.

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Same issue; you're missing the point. The problem is not the temporal sequence of "salvation" as a whole; your use of the term conflates multiple aspects of salvation. Biblically, salvation encompasses a logical sequence: election, calling, regeneration, conversion (faith and repentance), justification, adoption, sanctification, and glorification (Rom. 8:28-30). The question at hand is the ordering of regeneration and faith specifically, not "salvation" in general. Faith is an instrument; it is the channel through which (means/instrumentality) God's grace is received (Eph. 2:8), not the logical ground of regenerative grace itself. Presenting faith as preceding "salvation" obscures and misrepresents the argument of the OP. The point is that regeneration enables faith, leading to all the rest of salvation's benefits (justification, adoption, sanctification, etc.).

Eph. 1:13, Rom. 10:13-15, and 1 Cor. 1:21 describe the outward, experiential sequence of hearing, believing, and being sealed with the Spirit. There is no dispute about that. The problem is that these texts do not address regeneration at all, which is the topic under discussion. 1 John 5:1 is different: it makes a gnomic, logical claim about spiritual causation. Being born of God is presented there as the ontological prerequisite for believing in Christ, not a subsequent event.

So appealing to experiential sequences in these other texts cannot overturn the clear grammatical and theological statement there. 1 John 5:1, which does explicitly reference regeneration, does so in a way that presents it as the ontological prerequisite to faith.

GoldenBoy89 said:

You’re not very good at reading people’s emotions through text. I’m not offended in the least by this. I’m just curious why it’s so important to you but you won’t answer that directly for some reason.

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I offered the information with no editorial, and your instant thought is my adulation for the President. Why did the mere mention of the award elicit such a response from you - if I can be so bold - your not very good at mind reading either.

There were no emotions in my original post - just information on an event. Yet here we are still with the complaints....hmmm....

Is that direct enough of an answer? IOW - you missed it.

GoldenBoy89 said:

I don’t think they’re showing gratitude. I think our allies and leaders around the world have figured out the way to get Donald on their side is to shower him with shiny trinkets and gifts to feed his ego. I’m surprised you haven’t caught onto that yet.

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Thank you for sharing what you think - we disagree - I think the Leaders of these nations are being honest

Wise up time. Hubbles Constant (Ho) is 71 k/s over a specified distance. It's a speed DISTANCE unit. Now the CLEVER bit that FOOLS you. If you want the reciprocal of Ho, you divide Ho into one, and the result is 13.8 billion LIGHT years (distance). My example of the reciprocal of 30 MPH is 2 minutes per MILE. It cannot be stated as 2 minutes only. The same with the reciprocal of Ho. It is 13.8 billion LIGHT years (distance), NOT years only (time). Is this beyond your understanding??

Apple Sky said:

Yes, but this was only my opinion.



This is what Byrd claims.

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Here is a map of all of the permanent research stations that are all over Antartica. Obviously airplanes fly all the way across Antarctica because the bases need to be restocked and scientists moved in and out.

https://www.researchgate.net/profil...bases-and-camps-Permanent-bases-Casey-and.png

MotoToTheMax said:

Mike Johnson, Speaker of the House, is using a made up term to refer to Democrats in Congress?

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My point remains the same. Still a made up term. In regards to "legislative terror," the context demonstrates a communication of how Senate Democrats are literally holding the government hostage through their childish refusal to negotiate. Would I call them terrorists? No. More like spoiled rotten children who behave as if they were never told 'no' in their entire lives.

DaisyDay said:

Sounds like an AI architect designed it instead of a real one.

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Im hoping we get an Escher stair. This could happen at this rate.

rjs330 said:

but it is narco-terrorism

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It's actually Capitalism. Simple supply and demand.

Few (non-Christians) people rebel against the Gospel of the Kingdom or the commandments that accompany it, especially loving neighbour as self. They may not pursue it themselves but they do appreciate being loved by others, whether they deserve it or not. What most people reject is the religion that many may use instead, not their way of life that is kind and caring.

I heard from my pastor who told me to look up Centering Prayer and said there are a number of Catholic authors who’ve written about it. He suggested an author Basil Pennington, a Trappist Monk who wrote about centering prayer which father said involves emptying the mind of all thoughts when praying. Some authors use a keyword such as ”Jesus” as a mantra. So it must be ok.

I edited this….

Apple Sky said:

Yes, but this was only my opinion.

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Your opinion is proven false. The truth is not in you.

Apple Sky said:

This is what Byrd claims.

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It isn't. Its a misinterpretation of his observations.

Always in His Presence said:

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The poor and needy are of no concern their political agenda is

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Oh? That's why the Republicans don't want to extent ACA subsidies? To help the poor and needy?

Belk said:

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That is a novel legal claim. Anything not ruled illegal by a court is legal?

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Ok so what charges would you bring against the military and under what law?

Apple Sky said:

I thought Moses spoke directly to God.

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Yes but God did not dictate the Torah to him. Moses wrote it in his own writing style and using imagery that he understood.

prodromos said:

You just said the Air NZ flight hit the firmament (despite the crash site being just off the coast of Antarctica),

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Yes, but this was only my opinion.

prodromos said:

then moments later you claim Admiral Byrd flew unimpeded way beyond the coast of Antarctica.

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This is what Byrd claims.