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Why Do My T-Shirts Get Small Holes In The Front Of Them Before They Get Holes In The Back?

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I wish CF were more well-trafficked, so I decided to do my tiny part by posting more and making more threads. Of course an increase in the quantity of threads will mean a decrease in the quality, as you can tell from the title.

It seems counter-intuitive given that the back of the shirt presses against the backs of chairs when I sit, and against a wall if I lean against one, but the front rarely touches anything. Yet over the years holes have appeared in the front, rarely ever in the back. Of course I asked AI about this, and got an answer which seems possibly insightful yet possibly bogus. But I've been told I need human interaction in my life, so, any thoughts on this? Are anyone's experiences similar? Or different?
 

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Your shirt gets holier as it gets old just like your faith. It’s in the front so that all can see. ;) :oldthumbsup:
 
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Some things we just aren't meant to know. :)

“Can you fathom the mysteries of God?
Can you probe the limits of the Almighty?
They are higher than the heavens above—what can you do?
They are deeper than the depths below—what can you know?


Job 11:7-8
 
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Why don't you try posting material with a relevant science content such as why paper clips magically link together or single socks disappear forever after being machine washed.
Because I already know the answers to those questions.
 
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I wish CF were more well-trafficked, so I decided to do my tiny part by posting more and making more threads. Of course an increase in the quantity of threads will mean a decrease in the quality, as you can tell from the title.

It seems counter-intuitive given that the back of the shirt presses against the backs of chairs when I sit, and against a wall if I lean against one, but the front rarely touches anything. Yet over the years holes have appeared in the front, rarely ever in the back. Of course I asked AI about this, and got an answer which seems possibly insightful yet possibly bogus. But I've been told I need human interaction in my life, so, any thoughts on this? Are anyone's experiences similar? Or different?
Where the holes are on the tee-shirts are likely a clue. The front of the necks of mine become frayed. The reason? My beard stubble. Beard stubble is surprisingly tough, with a hardness similar to copper wire, so it's like a short bristle copper brush abrading it.

As to the holes that develop in the part that's in my armpits, I don't think I want to go there...
 
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Why don't you try posting material with a relevant science content such as why paper clips magically link together or single socks disappear forever after being machine washed.
Blinks.

Paper clips have that unique shape, and if they are springy, they link by sliding across each other. I used both regular and large paper clips at work. The regular ones are springy and link all the time. The large ones aren't as springy, and seldom link.

Socks are just paired items that aren't secured together, making it easier to loose one.
 
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Because I already know the answers to those questions.
So you are aware one of greatest thought experiments in science ever devised involves socks.
I'll let AI provide the answer.

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Explain Bell's inequality using the world famous sock analogy.

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Sure! Here’s Bell’s inequality using the world-famous sock analogy — a classic way to visualize the logic without any complicated physics.



The Sock Analogy​


Imagine you have a bunch of pairs of striped socks, each pair split between two boxes:

  • Left box (L) gets one sock
  • Right box (R) gets the matching sock

Two people, Alice and Bob, take the boxes far apart from each other.

Each sock has three properties that can be independently checked:

  1. Color at the top (Red or Blue)
  2. Pattern in the middle (Dots or Stripes)
  3. Logo near the toe (Star or Circle)

Let’s call these three “measurements” A, B, and C.



✅ Realist Assumption​


We assume that each sock already has definite properties (like being striped, or having a star logo), even before anyone looks.

This is called local realism:

  • Local = Alice’s sock doesn't instantly change Bob’s sock
  • Realism = the properties exist before measurement

So even if Alice chooses to check the pattern, and Bob checks the logo, they’re revealing pre-existing facts.

Thus, each pair of socks can be described by a hidden label such as:

Sock Pair #42
A: Red top
B: Stripes middle
C: Star toe

These labels are the hidden variables.




Bell’s Logical Inequality​


Alice and Bob choose randomly which property to measure: A, B, or C.

If the socks have pre-set matching labels, then whenever Alice and Bob choose the same measurement, they will always agree.
But what if they choose different properties?

There’s a simple logical constraint:


For three properties (A,B,C), at least two must match between any two socks.

Example:


  • If Left = (A,B,C) = (R,S,Circle)
  • Right = (A,B,C) = (R,S,Circle)

All three match — so any two match too.

From this logical structure, Bell derived a mathematical inequality about how often different tests can mismatch.

Classically, even with randomness:


The mismatch rate must be ≥ 1/3

This is Bell’s inequality in disguise.




What Quantum Physics Does​


Now replace socks with entangled particles.


Quantum mechanics says:

  • They don’t have definite properties before measurement.
  • Measuring one instantaneously affects the state of the other.

Experimentally, Alice and Bob get more mismatches than the inequality says is allowed — often around 50%, violating the ≥1/3 limit.


Key Point:


The results cannot come from pre-existing hidden labels
(local realism fails)

The universe does not behave like classical socks.




What Bell's Inequality Tells Us​


Experiments show:

✅ Quantum entanglement is real
❌ Nature cannot be explained by hidden-sock-labels (local realism)
✅ Measurement creates the property
❌ Distant things are completely independent




Final Summary in One Line​


If entangled particles were like socks with pre-written labels, Bell’s inequality would hold — but experiments show it doesn’t, so the universe is weirder than socks.



If you'd like, I can also show:

  • A simple diagram version
  • The mathematics behind the inequality (CHSH form)
  • Real-world experiment examples (Aspect 1982 → modern photon tests)

Would you like to go deeper into the math or stick with socks?
 
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Where the holes are on the tee-shirts are likely a clue.
After so many years I'll sometimes get them like on the chest or near the bottom of the rib cage area. I don't get it. Nothing really goes on there.
 
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After so many years I'll sometimes get them like on the chest or near the bottom of the rib cage area. I don't get it. Nothing really goes on there.
Do you carry car batteries? I've burned holes in my shirts with battery acid. (I know this is a long shot.)
 
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Blinks.

Paper clips have that unique shape, and if they are springy, they link by sliding across each other. I used both regular and large paper clips at work. The regular ones are springy and link all the time. The large ones aren't as springy, and seldom link.

Socks are just paired items that aren't secured together, making it easier to loose one.
Unlinked paper clips have a higher entropy than linked ones but since a box of paper clips invariably contains some linked ones lowers the entropy.

This leads to two possibilities.
(1) The box of paper clips is in an open thermodynamic state where entropy can decrease.
(2) The box of paper clips is in a closed thermodynamic state where the probability of entropy decrease is very small.

Since AI comments is the current flavour in this forum, I asked AI about paper clips and entropy.


Entropy_overall.png
 
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Socks are just paired items that aren't secured together, making it easier to loose one.
That's true. I've never lost one leg of a pair of blue jeans.
 
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So you are aware one of greatest thought experiments in science ever devised involves socks.
I'll let AI provide the answer.

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Explain Bell's inequality using the world famous sock analogy.

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I guess I'm too dumb for your highfalutin science. How does Bell tell us why single socks disappear forever after being machine washed?
 
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Do you carry car batteries? I've burned holes in my shirts with battery acid. (I know this is a long shot.)
No. I don't do much of anything, really. :p
 
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Unlinked paper clips have a higher entropy than linked ones but since a box of paper clips invariably contains some linked ones lowers the entropy.
So would it follow, that a married couple would have a lower state of entropy than a single person? Though if infidelity is involved I would imagine the entropy goes through the roof!
 
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