HARK! said:

I followed the link to the source of your vitriol; and here is what I found:

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There was an extra apostrophe on the end; here it is without it: Trump has put down his racist dog whistle and picked up a bull horn

SabbathBlessings said:

Those who are looking for a commandment in the New Covenant is missing what the New Covenant is about- faith.

Why do we need an explicit commandment to obey God when He wrote His laws in our hearts. While I believe the commandment of the 4th is repeated Luke23:56 Heb4:9NIV Mat12:12 Exo20:6 1John5:3 John14:15 1John5:3 there is not an explicit commandment to not vain God's name in the NC, but I do not believe we should do so.

The Sabbath is kept all throughout the NC by Jesus and the apostles and continues on for God's saints in the New Heaven and New Earth.

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I don't have any hostility with respect to you or this subject, but you offer one final argument which I don't believe should go unanswered for any who may read this thread in the future. Your argument is that Jesus and the apostles kept the Sabbath Law throughout the New Covenant. I have answered this before, and will answer it again.

1) Jesus, during his earthly ministry, upheld the total number of requirements under the Law of Moses because this was before the cross, and when the Law of Moses was still in effect. Jesus keeping the Sabbath at this time, therefore, has zero bearing on this issue.

2) The Apostles kept the Sabbath after the cross because they were Jews, and naturally followed the tradition they had been raised with and the tradition prevalent among the Jewish People. It was a cultural tradition as much as it had been law under the Old Covenant. Keeping Sabbath observance is not the same thing as keeping Sabbath Law.

3) Paul taught that it was acceptable to observe the cultural traditions of people among whom evangelists and ministers of the Gospel have to work. They are cultural traditions and not endorsements of any law associated with those traditions. Paul made it clear that Christians are not under any law to observe religious days. They simply attempted to "fit in" with various cultures in order to not let peripheral matters become a stumbling block or impediment to the Gospel ministry among those peoples.

Let me be clear that I have Scriptures to back this up because repeatedly I've been told, falsely, that I do not use Scriptures to back up my claims. The main passage of Scripture I've been asked to focus on was Matt 5, where Jesus clarified that the *entire Law* was required at that time with all of the requirements, and not just some--not just the 10 Commandments or Sabbath Law, but all 613 or so requirements specified under the Law. And this would certainly include the 10 Commandments and Sabbath Law because they were all given to Israel at Horeb at the same time. Here are some of the appropriate passages in closing out my arguments here...

Mal 4.4 “Remember the law of my servant Moses, the decrees and laws I gave him at Horeb for all Israel."

Deut 4.10 Remember the day you stood before the Lord your God at Horeb, when he said to me, “Assemble the people before me to hear my words so that they may learn to revere me as long as they live in the land and may teach them to their children.” 11 You came near and stood at the foot of the mountain while it blazed with fire to the very heavens, with black clouds and deep darkness. 12 Then the Lord spoke to you out of the fire. You heard the sound of words but saw no form; there was only a voice. 13 He declared to you his covenant, the Ten Commandments, which he commanded you to follow and then wrote them on two stone tablets. 14 And the Lord directed me at that time to teach you the decrees and laws you are to follow in the land that you are crossing the Jordan to possess.
5.1 Moses summoned all Israel and said:
Hear, Israel, the decrees and laws I declare in your hearing today. Learn them and be sure to follow them. 2 The Lord our God made a covenant with us at Horeb. 3 It was not with our ancestors that the Lord made this covenant, but with us, with all of us who are alive here today. 4 The Lord spoke to you face to face out of the fire on the mountain. 5 (At that time I stood between the Lord and you to declare to you the word of the Lord, because you were afraid of the fire and did not go up the mountain.) And he said:
6 “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.
7 “You shall have no other gods before me....
30 “Go, tell them to return to their tents. 31 But you stay here with me so that I may give you all the commands, decrees and laws you are to teach them to follow in the land I am giving them to possess....”
32 So be careful to do what the Lord your God has commanded you; do not turn aside to the right or to the left. 33 Walk in obedience to all that the Lord your God has commanded you, so that you may live and prosper and prolong your days in the land that you will possess.

Here, the day Israel approached Horeb, or Mt. Sinai, the Old Covenant was linked as covenant, represented by the 10 Commandments, to the entire sets of laws, as the agreement between God and Israel. The fact the 10 Commandments are separated as a subset of the entire Law is no different than distinguishing food laws or laws of feasts from the entire set of laws. They are all part of the same Covenant, the Old Covenant given to Israel at Horeb. The 10 Commandments merely represented, symbolically, the entire Covenant as a kind of moral summary of the Law at that time. (Matt 19.16-22)

That Jesus was under the Old Covenant at the time he gave the Sermon on the Mt. is clear from the following...

Matt 5.17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them."

Please note two things here...
1) Jesus had come to confirm the Law as still in place during his earthly ministry.
2) Jesus had come to bring the observance of the Law to the point of being fulfilled *in himself.*

We later read in Matthew that fulfilling this Law entailed Jesus going to the cross, where the veil was rent, indicating that the requirements of the Law were no longer necessary to achieve access to God. Christ had become the sole means of access to God.

Matt 27.51 At that moment the curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom.

Heb 9.8 The Holy Spirit was showing by this that the way into the Most Holy Place had not yet been disclosed as long as the first tabernacle was still functioning.

Paul accepted the cultural practice of things that were not law for Christians but were law for those in Judaism...

1 Cor 9.20 To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews. To those under the law I became like one under the law (though I myself am not under the law), so as to win those under the law.

Dan Perez said:

Just asking. and what I. found. that. KATALLAGE. is the word RECONCILIATION. am I right OR WRONG ??

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Katallasso is the Greek word used

timewerx said:

The Word of God never becomes the scriptures and Jesus never refers to scriptures as the Word of God.

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Both do in my Bible (Mt 15:6, Jn 10:35).

timewerx said:

Because the Word of God has always manifested as a living entity - God >> Jesus >> Holy Spirit.

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In yours below (Jn 14:17, 26), Jesus is not the Word of God, rather Jesus is the Word, who is God (Jn 1:1, 14). . .not the same thing.

The word of God is Scripture (Mt 15:6, Jn 10:35). . .the Word who is God is Jesus of Nazareth (Jn 1:1, 14).

timewerx said:

John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:14
The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us...
John 14:17
the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you.
John 14:26
But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.

The Word became flesh (Jesus) and made His dwelling among us (Holy Spirit). The Word of God never became the scriptures and it already dwells inside those the Holy Spirit finds its dwelling.

2 Corinthians 3:3
It is clear that you are a letter from Christ, the result of our ministry, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts.

Hebrews 10:15-16
15The Holy Spirit also testifies to us about this. First He says: 16“This is the covenant I will make with them after those days, declares the Lord. I will put My laws in their hearts and inscribe them on their minds.”

It's ironic I have to quote scriptures about verses telling the Word of God did not become scriptures and rather telling us, if we have the Holy Spirit in us then we already have he Word of God in us.

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Guojing said:

You realized "renouncing Satan" is not in any of what you said?

Nuff said

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Not giving into satan's temptations is a given for a Christian ... goes without saying

NewLifeInChristJesus said:

I think it is more than just talk. There was a Catholic lady from Italy on this site, or maybe a different site, that seemed to speak for the Catholic Church. She corrected one person and said something like this: "Do not misrepresent Catholicism. We believe that we can know that we have eternal life right now. We just can't be sure we will possess it to the end." Is that the sentiment you are expressing here? Or are you saying there is no way to know we have His life in the here and now?

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In Catholicism we can have a strong level of assurance, not without evidence of good fruit supporting it, but not absolute infallible certainty. That's God's province.

Always in His Presence said:

it could be 300% higher - like in Australia


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I'd have to make 600k+ a year to pay that much in taxes -

and I'm paying too much!

Here is a challenge:

Name a country that has 'free' health care that has a personal income tax at the same level or lower than the US.

There is no such thing as free healthcare - if the government is paying for it - you, the taxpayer is paying for it.

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Using the numbers you quoted here, how much tax would be paid on let's say, $600k exactly of income? Show us how you calculate it please.

dogs4thewin said:

There is no such thing as free anything it is paid for one way or another.

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Yeah but some people in this very thread appear to want to keep having to pay much more than other countries for comparable results.

Servus said:

15 Then the kings of the earth, the princes, the generals, the rich, the mighty, and everyone else, both slave and free, hid in caves and among the rocks of the mountains. 16 They called to the mountains and the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! 17 For the great day of their wrath has come, and who can withstand it?” Revelation 6:15-17

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It sounds as if the day will be that spectacular that no false god could imagine such a scenario. And the faithful will truly be able to identify with the things taking place. Thank you, God bless .

essentialsaltes said:

Maybe this counts as anti-Christian?

In Chicago, clergy and faith-based protesters say ICE is threatening their religious freedom
(RNS) — Despite potential danger, religious leaders and faith activists have been a visible presence at Chicago-area ICE protests, some waving signs with slogans such as ‘Love thy neighbor’ and ‘Who would Jesus deport?’

Last month, the Rev. David Black stood in front of a Chicago-area U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement facility and spread his arms wide. Adorned in all black and wearing a clerical collar, the pastor looked up at a group of masked, heavily armed ICE agents on the roof and began to pray.

“I invited them to repentance,” Black, a minister in the Presbyterian Church (USA), said in an interview. “I basically offered an altar call. I invited them to come and receive that salvation, and be part of the kingdom that is coming.”

But when Black began to lower his arms a few seconds later, the agents responded to his spiritual plea by firing pepper balls, or chemical agents that cause eye irritation and respiratory distress, video footage shows. One struck Black in the head, exploding into a puff of white pepper smoke and forcing him to his knees. Fellow demonstrators rushed to his aid, and as the pastor rubbed his face in pain, the agents continued to fire.

“We could hear them laughing,” Black said.

Dozens of faith groups and denominations have also filed lawsuits challenging Trump’s various immigration policies, and the treatment of religious demonstrators at the Chicago facility has become a legal flashpoint. Black is listed as a plaintiff in a lawsuitfiled this week against Department of Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem alleging violations of the First and Fourth Amendments. Although most of the plaintiffs are journalists, Black is named as one of multiple clergy and faith-based demonstrators who, lawyers argue, have fallen victim to violence that violates the Religious Freedom Restoration Act.

But DHS continued its negative characterization of protesters on Friday (Oct. 3), when Noem visited the Broadview facility. In a speech to agents recorded by right-wing activist Benny Johnson, the secretary argued the protesters outside the facility were “advocating for violence against the American people” and were “victimizing people every day by the way that they’re talking, speaking, who they’re affiliated with, (and) who they’re funded (by).” [I note that none of those things are violent acts that 'victimize' anybody.]

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Federal officers, specifically ICE agents, deployed tear gas that affected Chicago police officers during clashes with protestors. Chicago Police Superintendent Larry Snelling confirmed that 27 CPD officers were "affected by the chemical agents that were deployed by federal agents," and Mayor Brandon Johnson also publicly stated that ICE agents were "tear-gassing... Chicago police officers."

Pommer said:

How are they going to be able to vote once a deal is made? Why insert a unnecessary delay?

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CHOICE ONE
sit around DC doing nothing

CHOICE TWO
do the work of a rep in your district office, meeting with voters (BTW and having staff available)
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Besides, unless the Dems cave, there would be needed to be discussions with the House leadership on changes, even if it is only to pressure them to do what the president says. 48 hours is not a long time to delay the actual vote.

David Lamb said:

Do you really believe that almighty God would permit a false Christ to come to earth in the same way that Jesus said He would return?

““Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. “And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.” (Mt 24:30-31 NKJV)

For a start, a false Christ would not be able to send angels to gather the elect of the true Christ.

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You build my confidence, thank you. I can imagine the glorious sight in my mind and eagerly await the day .

Always in His Presence said:

it could be 300% higher - like in Australia


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I'd have to make 600k+ a year to pay that much in taxes -

and I'm paying too much!

Here is a challenge:

Name a country that has 'free' health care that has a personal income tax at the same level or lower than the US.

There is no such thing as free healthcare - if the government is paying for it - you, the taxpayer is paying for it.

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First, you're talking about the entire Australian tax rate, not just the portion going to healthcare.

Second, comparing total tax rates between nations requires a lot closer look. In the US we have multiple taxing domains, many people having state income taxes and even local income taxes. By the time all those are calculated for many Americans, their total tax rate might be quite high. I don't know what the total Australian income tax burden is, but until you know and calculate it, your comparison is invalid.

RileyG said:

Great question! I am sure, on a spiritual sense, believers will have a faith based knowledge to truly know its Christ. Other than that, I cannot really say. Some theologians call it "infused knowledge."

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I'll be truthful, I hope there will be some kind of sensor go off in my head that will tell me whether it truly is Jesus. I know the devil is so deceptive and sly that he can fool the best of us. I believe in God with all of my heart but somedays, I really make some bad decisions. When He does return, I pray He will guide me in the right direction.

Hans Blaster said:

It is still a business offering a service for money.

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It doesn't even sound like a dispute over abortion per se but a dispute over the determination of fetal viability.

Valletta said:

It's a Catholic hospital, I can read the headline in the L.A. Times article and see the words "Catholic hospitals."

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Shouldn't the hospital's liberty to swing its arm end where my death from sepsis begins?

Desk trauma said:

Unlike heroin (TM Bayer 1898).

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The sad thing is that it was introduced as a cure for opium addiction.