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essentialsaltes · Oct 10, 2025

Portland Frog Brigade is growing.

Spiritual Jew · Oct 10, 2025

d taylor said:
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So where in the verses you are referencing state Judas believed in Jesus for God's free gift of Eternal Life

Why did Jesus indicate that Judas was lost if he was never saved in the first place?

John 17:12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in Your name. Those whom You gave Me I have kept; and none of them is lost except the son of perdition, that the Scripture might be fulfilled.

Dave G. · Oct 10, 2025

Delvianna said:
They dont always leave. Remember Paul was told by God his grace was sufficient and taught about the armor of God for a reason. Stay alert.

By in large they leave in my experience, these being in oppression or just plain bothersome. If they don't go, there may be an open door in ones life that needs shutting.

However, you're correct for possession or in some cases of afflicting spirits, some of those do not leave but by prayer and fasting. At least according to Jesus in Matthew 17:21. I will say that I personally have not run into that kind.

Matthew 17:21

However this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting.” AMP. [But this kind of demon does not go out except by prayer and fasting.]” AMPC

essentialsaltes · Oct 10, 2025

Turning Point USA plans alternate Super Bowl halftime show

The Charlie Kirk-co-founded Turning Point USA is planning to host an alternative musical performance called "The All-American Halftime Show" for Super Bowl LX.

Turning Point USA has created a website to present the halftime show and asked online visitors to choose which musical genres they would like to see perform.

Survey results so far show support for country, rock, hip hop and "anything in English," The Hill reported.

Spiritual Jew · Oct 10, 2025

d taylor said:
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What is really sad is, there is not one single example of a born again child of God (a believer) in The Bible. Becoming unborn again and crossing back over from life to death.

This is a very weak argument. There are plenty of passages which say that it's possible, so why does it matter if a case of that occurring is recorded or not?

d taylor said:
But yet this human concocted idea, that a born again person can become un-born again and cross back over from life to death remains to be a very popular belief in churches. Maybe because these churches are teaching a works based way to life and not the way God has planed by belief in Jesus.

No, that isn't it. We're not saved by works, so we can't lose our salvation by not doing enough works. We're saved by grace through faith. There are scriptures that say a believer can lose their faith and fall away such as Hebrews 3:12-14 and Hebrews 6:4-6. Hebrews 3:14 indicates that we must keep our faith until the end (of our lives or of the age) in order to be saved. Faith is not just a one time thing that people do after which they just coast to the finish line while doing whatever they want with no care about whether they are faithful and submitted to Christ or not. Paul describes in 2 Timothy 4:7 the Christian experience as a race that we must continue running until we get to the finish line (end of our lives). It's not about works, it's about continuing to keep our faith and trust in Christ instead of in ourselves or anyone or anything else.

Always in His Presence · Oct 10, 2025

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Great breakdown of the Schumer shutdown and who is applauding it. First time in history a party has shut the government over a clean CR.

Strong in Him · Oct 10, 2025

Apple Sky said:
We have here the three astronauts of Apollo 11 clearly stating that they never saw the stars & you call it nonsense

Because they didn't see any stars is proof that there aren't any, I suppose?

I've never seen you - does that mean you don't exist either?

lucypevensie · Oct 10, 2025

lead to destruction.

I need to go…

Spiritual Jew · Oct 10, 2025

BPPLEE said:
And Jesus knew who would betray him

Knowing an event that will happen beforehand is not the same as predetermining for that event to happen.

Spiritual Jew · Oct 10, 2025

BPPLEE said:
Of course Jesus knew, he knew everything that was going to happen. But did Judas have a choice? Can both be true, that he was predestined but it was still his choice?

Where do you get the idea from that Judas was predestined to betray Jesus?

Always in His Presence · Oct 10, 2025

A2SG said:
-- A2SG, because the GOP doesn't care about anything but tax cuts for billionaires.....

psst.... while off topic - this well worn Democratic byline was debunked during Trump's first term - who debunked it - oh, the IRS

Props to the never ending repeating, but no one believe it anymore - it might just be why the Democrats are in chaos and have historically low ratings -

But please - feel free to repeat it as of ten as you please - it helps Republican gain votes.

Strong in Him · Oct 10, 2025

Apple Sky said:
I agree some conspiracy theories are utterly bonkers

This is one of them.

You have asked people to prove the landings happened. You have been shown photographs and eyewitness testimony, including from someone on these forums who father-in-law worked on the Apollo rocket. (Forgive me if that is not quite right.)
Your answer is/has been "fake, lies".
You have been told that NASA planned and carried out the space missions.
Your answer has been that NASA are ALL liars.

You don't know why they would have been faked or why anyone would have spent billions of dollars to convince us that something which is not important was true. Your only answer is that it "must be", and the Christian astronauts "must be lying". Why? Because the moon landings destroy your belief that the earth is not a globe.
Anyone who sees a photo of the earth taken from the moon/rocket can SEE that it is a globe - the beautiful globe that God created. But no, it's easier to shout "CGI" (which they didn't have in those days) and continue with your "the earth is a flat, 40,000 foot deep shape, with 4 corners and enclosed by the Antarctic."
This, of course, is completely unscientific - but then you know zilch about science, so it's not surprising.

Spiritual Jew · Oct 10, 2025

BPPLEE said:
The Book of Hebrews was written primarily to Jewish Christians, likely those living in Jerusalem or Judea, who were familiar with the Old Testament and Jewish traditions. The exact audience is not explicitly named, but the letter’s extensive references to Hebrew Scriptures, the Temple, and Jewish rituals suggest it was addressed to believers with a strong Jewish background, possibly facing persecution or temptation to revert to Judaism.

Much of what is written in it applies to all Christians, including Gentiles as well, though. The new covenant is written about in Hebrews 8 to 10 and that certainly does not only apply to Jews. So, you're not really making much of a point here. There's no reason to think that the warnings given to believers in passages like Hebrews 3:12-14, Hebrews 6:4-6 and Hebrews 10:26-27 don't apply to Gentile believers as well.

essentialsaltes · Oct 10, 2025

"She did not include the income from the dark money group on her disclosure form, which experts called a likely violation of federal ethics requirements."

Drain the Swamp!

Spiritual Jew · Oct 10, 2025

BPPLEE said:
Hebrews 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, 5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6 [c]if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame. 7

So if someone gets saved and then backslides there’s no hope for them?

Where do you see the word "backslide" there? It's not there. Don't change the text. It says "fall away" which suggests someone has completely turned away, lost their faith and departed from God, like it talks about in this verse...

Hebrews 3:12 Beware, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God;

How do you interpret Hebrews 6:4-6?

essentialsaltes · Oct 10, 2025

Dale said:
We had a mass shooting in Sebring, FL. At a local bank, five women were lined up, told to lay down and shot in the back of the head.

Wow, that is some story. Mental health issues as well, which could have been a warning sign for a background check.

Sebring bank shooter formally sentenced to death for killing 5 women in 2019

BCP1928 · Oct 10, 2025

Richard T said:
Why would a large corporation be ignorant of visa laws? Guess they need more lawyers and less factory expertise.

Just like our own large manufacturers which are dying behind Trump's tariff wall from too many lawyers and not enough factory expertise?

seeking.IAM · Oct 10, 2025

JAM2b said:
If she doesn't tag you in social media, then it might not have been directed to you. If it is Facebook, I believe you can unfollow her but still be friends. This way you won't see her post, but still have the connection on Facebook.

This is great advice. I have a couple of family members who view the world much differently than me and make social media posts that both irritate me and tempt me to respond. I have unfollowed them. They will never know I am not reading their drivel, and I don't have to upset myself with what they've written. Problem solved.

In other words to turn a phrase, "Take your sails out of their wind."

RDKirk · Oct 10, 2025

bèlla said:
That’s the danger of repression. When they face the one in the mirror they’ll realize the other’s approval isn’t required and find their wings. We’re witnessing the emergence of the renaissance woman and if you doubt it look at the videos on my post. When you pour into yourself you’ll leave many behind.

~bella

This thread is a conversation I had with my daughter a couple of weeks ago.

Soyeong · Oct 10, 2025

bbbbbbb said:
You seem to be diverting from the topic of "the set of laws which God has given". Assuming that you believe that the example of Jesus' obedience to what God has commanded includes obedience to all of the commandments in the Bible, then it is no small thing to disobey what, for many, are trivial and outdated commandments such as kindling a fire on the Sabbath. I assume (correct me if I am mistaken) that you eat only cold food on the Sabbath.

The topic is the way to uphold the Law of God through faith, which I have not been diverting from. God's character traits are eternal, so any instructions that He has given for how to know Him through being a doer of His character traits are eternally and cumulatively valid. For example, God's righteousness is eternal (Psalms 119:142), therefore all of God's righteous laws are also eternal (Psalms 119:160), and the way to be a doer of God's righteousness can only become outdated if God's righteousness becomes outdated first. The command against creating a fire on the Sabbath is not the command to only eat cold food on the Sabbath.

BCP1928 · Oct 10, 2025

stevevw said:
But why. The same logic that even pretty good symmetry and circularity is achieved by a pretty basic wheel or lathing uses the same logic for more precise symmetry and circularity.

If we can say that rough circularity is cased by a rudimentary rotating device. Then the same logic would follow that very good circularity was achieved by a much better wheel or lathe.

If you can use the logic that at some point roundness requires some sort of rotating device. Then the better the roundness the better the device.

Assuming that the vases were produced by rotating them while being cut--a lathe-like device of some sort--the key to precision is rigidity, not "modernity." Circularity, concentricity, cylindricity all depend on the rigidity of the machine. If the machining was done between centers, then the "lathe" need not even have any rotating parts itself to achieve any desired degree of precision.

stevevw said:
Culture or craftsman. I think its irrelevant as to the signatures and tech. Some cultures like China evolved to make fine china and vases, Others didn't. So the craft as an industry is what produced great craftsman that they specialised.

It may be that as a culture they had evolved knowledge about the workings of nature that allowed them to achieve results beyond the traditional methods.

I was trying to make destinctions and break down the difference between unaided hands say for example in coil pottery that only uses the hands to coil the vase up and then blend it into a vase or pot shape by hands.

The next level is simple tools like chisels and pounders, Its still unaided in that the chiseling and pounding or rubbing is not guided by some machine to achieve the precision. A measuring device adds another piece of tech above unaided hands thus another little aid that helps with precision.

Then the wheel and bore stick are another step in the technical aids. A free hand or a hand with a tool in it but still free moving can be used but the tech is what achieved the circularity.

Then we can go all the way up to sophisticated lathing that is stable and controlled to achieve the greatest precision that eventually reaches the highest levels such as NASA level precision which involved no humans at all.

So all I am do is breaking down the stages of how tech aids in achieving the signatures. Then as others have done reverse engineering the signatures in vases to work out what level of tech had to have been used. Obviously the more precise the more sophisticated the tech.

Yes but like most people have concluded some sort of lathing or wheel was involved. Its a matter of what level of sophistication that was. Or maybe it was something completely different like stone softening which allowed conventional tools to be used. But could still produce similar signatures.

But whatever it was the signatures speak for themselves and show something beyond the orthodox methods which have been tested and cannot reproduce the same signatures.

So what in that you are objecting to me using the same logic but extending it, You think the signatures are caused by some sort of lathing or wheel or bore stick that is wobbly.

I am saying the lathing was more sophisticated based on the same analysis of the signatures that point to lathing in the first place. Just a more elaborate take on your own conclusions that this lathing was more modern like lol.

You probably missed the first part where it was not about anything in particular but that there was advanced tech and knowledge and that the orthodox narrative is flawed.

Coming from you, the phrase "orthodox narrative" is always a straw man.

stevevw said:
is always a straw man.

As a natural consequence the thread went into specific examples and the vases became the main focus in supporting that advanced knowledge. But as I said we could go into many examples and as a total the overall evidence makes a strong case.

But if we only focus on one specific example its easy to get lost in those specifics and lose sight of the overall point. I said I don't mind going into specific as it may help support the advanced knowledge. But now I think its time to move on as it will only continue the same.

eclipsenow · Oct 10, 2025

camille70 said:
There's going to be a lot more pain for a lot more people if those subsidies expire. I almost didn't renew my health care plan last year because it went up. If it goes up even a quarter more, let alone doubles, I won't be able to afford coverage. I'm trying to get all my vaccines in and prescriptions renewed before January just in case.

I'm so sorry to hear all that. If the USA gets too awful, is there any chance you and yours would move to Australia? Once you became citizens Medicare he is so much better!

essentialsaltes · Oct 10, 2025

Oompa Loompa said:
Yet a poster on this thread does otherwise in post 127. So your statement is obviously false.

I don't think so. The quoted material is a description of the caricature of empathy that is promoted among those who believe empathy is a sin, not the actual beliefs of people who think empathy is hunky dory.

Fantine's actual message is that churches should not have a "callous disregard for human suffering:"

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