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Louisiana indicts N.Y. doctor charged with prescribing abortion pills to Louisiana girl ; first criminal case of a doctor since Roe

Says the person who thinks the lives of over a million hungry kids is NBD.

Put those kids in a uterus, though, and we’ll lose our minds trying to defend its “right” to be born only to be discarded then.
Didn't say it wasnt. But I did ask the question of why. Many folks dont want to address that. There isnt any reason why this should happen with the amount of money and resources we spend on helping people.

Malnourishment isn't rhe same things as literally killing a child.
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The Harm Caused by Excessive Criticism of the Roman Catholic Church and Other Denominations

For example, we can all pretty much agree that objecting to the Nicene creed marks someone off as something other than Christian in their belief. Or open theism, as another example. For the most part, I'm thinking that we can re-visit historic heresies and re-recognize them as such. There might even be some controversial areas that could unite a broad spectrum of believers, such as an opposition to antinomialism.

My thoughts on this come from historical precedence, as the initial aim of the Council of Nicea was to establish the limits of Christological speculation. It was a start, which is why further elaboration was required even after the Council had first come to their conclusion.
Ah I see. I like where you are going. How you are looking at this is different than mine, but important and good IMO. My view might be included there in the broad spectrum area. Even if in an unexpected way. LOL, could you tell me what antinomialism is. I think I have a grasp on antinomian, not sure what you mean.
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Communism- Socialism

No, they are all economic systems. Government is still required and there is no necessary connection between those economic systems and any particular form of government. As a practical matter, most of the world's totalitarian regimes--both on the left and on the right--are constitutional representative democracies of some kind, often based on the content of our own Constitution.

They are all economic systems, but not all are forms of government. Socialism is a form or government as is communism. Capitalism is only an economic system. There is no Capitalist form of government.

Totalitarian regimes may come into power by a Democratic process. But they stay in power by either getting rid or it or taking control of it like basically having fake elections or by threats where people vote the "right way" or else. Or they may just not ever have elections again.

Non-totalitarian regimes, allow free elections and abide by the vote of the people.
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Thank you Fervent
Would you mind giving an example of these theological bounds? I might agree here but not sure of your meaning yet.
For example, we can all pretty much agree that objecting to the Nicene creed marks someone off as something other than Christian in their belief. Or open theism, as another example. For the most part, I'm thinking that we can re-visit historic heresies and re-recognize them as such. There might even be some controversial areas that could unite a broad spectrum of believers, such as an opposition to antinomialism.

My thoughts on this come from historical precedence, as the initial aim of the Council of Nicea was to establish the limits of Christological speculation. It was a start, which is why further elaboration was required even after the Council had first come to their conclusion.
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NATO Leader Lauds Trump as ‘Man of Strength’, ‘Man of Peace’

Adding reality to a hypothetical is an automatic fail.
Because it highlights the absurdity of the hypothetical.

But it was great for yet another long off topic derail. I'll give both an A+ for that. I also am done with this.
Cool.

-- A2SG, have a nice day....
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The Harm Caused by Excessive Criticism of the Roman Catholic Church and Other Denominations

Ironically, one of the biggest barriers to true ecumenical agreement is, IMO, a reluctance among those who are ecumenically minded to establish clear boundaries. I believe that we might be able to find far more common ground on where we believe groups have exceeded the bounds of acceptable theological opinion than on affirmative commitments.
Thank you Fervent
Would you mind giving an example of these theological bounds? I might agree here but not sure of your meaning yet.
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Christian "Apostasy" =unpardonable sin doctrine supposed to learn at young age

Yep. Now the main teaching in Roman 5-7 is about living under the law vs living by the Spirit so we do have to take things in context.
Yes? As long as that's properly understood-in context. The Spirit will cause obedience-without our even hearing the law.
Who is we?
Those who turn to God in faith.
What evidence of good fruit? Is anyone on earth a judge of your fruit?
Well, first of all Jesus isn't going to tell us we must have good fruit without giving us some idea of what that means-and Scripture does just that. Putting to the death the deeds of the flesh, washing one's robes, feeding the hungry, clothing the naked, taking care of one's neighbor, obeying the commandments, healing the sick, being holy, forgiving each other, visiting those in prison, preaching and spreading the good news, loving God and neighbor, etc.
I will posit to you that most Christians will have good fruit simply because of the grace received.
Yes, they will, and they must or else they aren't really His to begin with-or haven't remained in Him. Here's an example:
"For if you forgive other people when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive others their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins." Matt 6:14-15
I will also posit to you that the fruit (works) that we do are not the works that allows us to boast.
Of course, the real thing is done in humility, not pride. That person wouldn't think of boasting about it.
God wants our participation from the moment of justification. Justification is not a life long work. James does not disagree with Paul. James expands on faith in the same sense as Jesus told false teachers that He did not know them. People can profess faith but never change their heart. These are not justified so faith without works is indeed dead because it was never born to begin with. Their works were inconsistent with a changed heart. Paul speaks of justification while James talks of sanctification. If we have to work for salvation then grace is not free which is why we work from salvation not for it.
We have to participate in God's work of santfiiction. Love is the real product there; that's what true holiness is. And love, necessarily, is a choice, a choice to receive that gift, and act upon it. Likewise with the gifts of faith and hope. We have to participate from the beginning, in fact, even as grace necessarily precedes that participation as it first prompts and moves and draws us to respond. Again, God has never been looking to produce automatons. He could've just done that at the beginning. Christians, IOW, can fall away.
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Christianity no longer seems moral to me

And yet despite all that, pehaps ironcially, I think there are also more and more people who're becoming jaded with the way things are, and open to the truths of our faith, open to God. If many members of previous generations often accepted Christianity for reasons of cultural tradition, without much question, my generation questioned pretty much everything. But when such people do convert to the living God, it's generally going to be the real thing- since they asked, sought, and knocked for themselves.
Yes and no I think. I don't think many in the old testament or even in the early church had science or enlightenment to question God. Yet they had great faith even until death.

Christ speaks of a child like faith that cannot be answered by enlightened questioning. Faith seems to work no matter what.

I agree for the individuals it is good that our right to belief is in our hands and we can rationally work out whats false and what is truth. But then rationality is also a threat to faith and we cannot believe due to rationality. So I think it works up to a point and then its the evidence unseen which cannot be rationalised.
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The Harm Caused by Excessive Criticism of the Roman Catholic Church and Other Denominations

Well considering these things, Just me personally. I am recognizing that I am indeed treating Catholicism and Protestantism equally. I have for quite a few years now coming closer and closer to these historical Churches. I was seeking authority over myself. Tired of taking it upon myself. Even seeing that as arrogance to dismiss so many which were before us.
But by the time this idea came to me, these historical churches were promoting sexual perversion.
So I was looking at Orthodox, and or Catholic. But, there I had to believe certain things that I couldn't. So, I was indeed treating each one according to conscience.
So for now, unless the Lord changes my conscience (I do pray on it, and desire your prayers as well), ecumenicalism is the venue. Maybe the Lord will provide a way there. I do respect you guys.
Ironically, one of the biggest barriers to true ecumenical agreement is, IMO, a reluctance among those who are ecumenically minded to establish clear boundaries. I believe that we might be able to find far more common ground on where we believe groups have exceeded the bounds of acceptable theological opinion than on affirmative commitments.
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The Harm Caused by Excessive Criticism of the Roman Catholic Church and Other Denominations

I think we have to differentiate between the traditional mainstream Protestant churches that are involved in ecumenical dialogue, that are in some cases very conservative, like the LCMS, the SBC and the ACNA, in other cases unfortunately liberal, but nonetheless, these traditional Protestant churches, which are mostly liturgical with some exceptions like the SBC, although increasingly in many historically liturgical Protestant denominations the traditional organ music and chorales have been replaced by praise and worship music, which resulted in my alienation from the Methodist parish in which I was baptized, because I can’t pray to rock music - this problem also exists in the Roman Catholic Church and even more so among the Maronite Catholics, where finding a parish with traditional music is incredibly hard, but at any rate, we have to differentiate between mainstream churches that do apologize for historical errors, and those churches which do not, and engage in more and more schisms.

In Orthodoxy we have an equivalent group of factions, the Old Calendarists, who engaged in an absurd number of schisms and consist of a number of small groups, although ironically what they’re fighting for is the opposite of what Restorationists are fighting for, but both groups share an opposition to any attempt at ecumenical dialogue or reconciliation, even where that process involves no change to doctrine or no affirmation of religious pluralism.
Well considering these things, Just me personally. I am recognizing that I am indeed treating Catholicism and Protestantism equally. I have for quite a few years now coming closer and closer to these historical Churches. I was seeking authority over myself. Tired of taking it upon myself. Even seeing that as arrogance to dismiss so many which were before us.
But by the time this idea came to me, these historical churches were promoting sexual perversion.
So I was looking at Orthodox, and or Catholic. But, there I had to believe certain things that I couldn't. So, I was indeed treating each one according to conscience.
So for now, unless the Lord changes my conscience (I do pray on it, and desire your prayers as well), ecumenicalism is the venue. Maybe the Lord will provide a way there. I do respect you guys.
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The Harm Caused by Excessive Criticism of the Roman Catholic Church and Other Denominations

Because every man is his own pope, more infallible than the pope of Rome would ever dream of being.
There certainly is the recipe for that, and some definitely live up to that description, but I wouldn't accuse protestants in general of doing so in practice. Though the ecclesial disagreement is certainly far deeper between Protestants of all stripes and Orthodox and Catholics. In fact, the ecclesial issues are about the only surviving mainstream issue that keeps me a self-described Protestant.
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Christianity no longer seems moral to me

Only if you agree with them on what is the authority for truth.

And you're not going to get them to agree with what is your Authority for truth.
Thats a good point. Because its not really about objective science or any fact we can point to. Its a matter of belief whether its based in God or some other worldly idea about what is moral.

Even if there was evidence this would still be disputed and disagreed upon because its based on a belief which doesn't conform to the evidence or truth.
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AI thinks its alive through Jesus.

You touched upon a point even beyond human laziness: AI can pump out slop far faster than humanity can counter it.
That is true, and your pointing it out makes me realize that that is the real threat, isn't it?

I am convinced that AI will be at least partially responsible for the "grand delusion" that 2 Thess. speaks of, as technology allows for more and more convincing artificial displays not only online but in meatspace.
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