Righteousness

[Soyeong]

The purpose of this thread is to discuss the basics of what it means to attain character trait, what it means to have a character trait, and then to understand what the Bible specifically says about the trait of righteousness in a way that does not depart from the simplicity of that framework.

Character traits are not earned as the result of our works but rather they are embodied through our works. The one and only way to attain a character trait is through faith apart from being required to have first done enough works in order to earn it as the result, but what it means to attain a character trait is to become a doer of works that embody that trait, so it would contradictory for to attain a character trait apart from becoming a doer of that trait. More specifically, the faith by which a character trait is attained is the belief that we ought have our lives directed at being a doer of works that embody that trait.

We embody what we believe to be true about who God is through our works, such as with James 2:18 saying that he would show his faith through his works. In other words, the way to believe in God is by believing that we ought to have our lives directed at embody His likeness through being a doer of His character traits. For example, by being a doer of good works in obedience to God we are embodying His goodness, which is why our good works bring glory to Him (Matthew 5:16), and by embodying God's goodness we are also expressing the belief that God is good. Likewise, the way to believe that God is compassionate is by being compassionate, the way to believe that God is a doer of justice is by being a doer of justice, the way to believe that God is holy is by being a doer of His instructions for how to be holy as He is holy, and so forth. This is exactly the way to believe in the Son, who is the radiance of God's glory and the exact likeness of His character (Hebrews 1:3), which he embodied through his works by setting an example for us to follow of how to walk in obedience to God's law, and it is by that faith alone that we attain the character traits of God.

While it is true that Abraham believed God, so he was declared righteous (Genesis 15:6), it is also true that he believed God, so he was a doer of righteous works (Genesis 18:19), so the faith by which he was declared righteous was also embodied through his works, but he did not earn his righteousness as the result of his works (Romans 4:1-5). In James 2:21-24, it quotes Genesis 15:6 to support saying that Abraham was declared righteous by his works when he offered Isaac, that his faith was active along with his works, and his faith completed his works, so he was declared righteous by his works insofar as they embodied his faith but not insofar as they were earning a wage. In 1 John 3:7, everyone who is a doer of righteous works is righteous even as they are righteous, so while we do not earn our righteousness as the result of our works, there is is no such thing as someone being righteous apart from being a doer of righteous works, but rather the content of the gift of being imputed with the righteousness of God is getting to become a doer of righteous works.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

The purpose of this thread is to discuss the basics of what it means to attain character trait, what it means to have a character trait, and then to understand what the Bible specifically says about the trait of righteousness in a way that does not depart from the simplicity of that framework.

Character traits are not earned as the result of our works but rather they are embodied through our works. The one and only way to attain a character trait is through faith apart from being required to have first done enough works in order to earn it as the result, but what it means to attain a character trait is to become a doer of works that embody that trait, so it would contradictory for to attain a character trait apart from becoming a doer of that trait. More specifically, the faith by which a character trait is attained is the belief that we ought have our lives directed at being a doer of works that embody that trait.

We embody what we believe to be true about who God is through our works, such as with James 2:18 saying that he would show his faith through his works. In other words, the way to believe in God is by believing that we ought to have our lives directed at embody His likeness through being a doer of His character traits. For example, by being a doer of good works in obedience to God we are embodying His goodness, which is why our good works bring glory to Him (Matthew 5:16), and by embodying God's goodness we are also expressing the belief that God is good. Likewise, the way to believe that God is compassionate is by being compassionate, the way to believe that God is a doer of justice is by being a doer of justice, the way to believe that God is holy is by being a doer of His instructions for how to be holy as He is holy, and so forth. This is exactly the way to believe in the Son, who is the radiance of God's glory and the exact likeness of His character (Hebrews 1:3), which he embodied through his works by setting an example for us to follow of how to walk in obedience to God's law, and it is by that faith alone that we attain the character traits of God.

While it is true that Abraham believed God, so he was declared righteous (Genesis 15:6), it is also true that he believed God, so he was a doer of righteous works (Genesis 18:19), so the faith by which he was declared righteous was also embodied through his works, but he did not earn his righteousness as the result of his works (Romans 4:1-5). In James 2:21-24, it quotes Genesis 15:6 to support saying that Abraham was declared righteous by his works when he offered Isaac, that his faith was active along with his works, and his faith completed his works, so he was declared righteous by his works insofar as they embodied his faith but not insofar as they were earning a wage. In 1 John 3:7, everyone who is a doer of righteous works is righteous even as they are righteous, so while we do not earn our righteousness as the result of our works, there is is no such thing as someone being righteous apart from being a doer of righteous works, but rather the content of the gift of being imputed with the righteousness of God is getting to become a doer of righteous works.

I am not sure how everything got so upside down that doing what is right doing (righteousness) is wrong and doing what is wrong-doing (unrighteousness) is right.

1 John 3:7 Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous.

Abraham was declared righteousness by faith, faith does not void the law, it establishes it Rom3:31

Which we saw through the life of Abraham

Gen 26:5 because Abraham obeyed My voice and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes, and My laws.”

Heb 11:8 By faith Abraham obeyed when he was called to go out to the place which he would receive as an inheritance. And he went out, not knowing where he was going. 9 By faith he dwelt in the land of promise as in a foreign country, dwelling in tents with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise; 10 for he waited for the city which has foundations, whose builder and maker is God.

Faith is obedience and doing what is right.

 

[Abraham1st]

I am not sure how everything got so upside down that doing what is right doing (righteousness) is wrong and doing what is wrong-doing (unrighteousness) is right.

1 John 3:7 Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous.

Abraham was declared righteousness by faith, faith does not void the law, it establishes it Rom3:31

Which we saw through the life of Abraham

Gen 26:5 because Abraham obeyed My voice and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes, and My laws.”

Heb 11:8 By faith Abraham obeyed when he was called to go out to the place which he would receive as an inheritance. And he went out, not knowing where he was going. 9 By faith he dwelt in the land of promise as in a foreign country, dwelling in tents with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise; 10 for he waited for the city which has foundations, whose builder and maker is God.

Faith is obedience and doing what is right.

Doing righteousness is to do righteousness as Jesus Christ did righteousness, which is to believe in Him laying HIs life down for us, and we to lay our life down for our friends, as that is the greatest love.

Abraham was declared righteousness, we are if we believe on God who raised up our Lord Jesus Christ from the dead.

Abraham is not our example to follow, we are not saved by doing what Abraham did, we are saved by Jesus Christ confirming the promises. ( IN HOPE OF ETERNAL LIFE/SAVED BY HOPE.)

Faith is in Jesus Christ, who did right, when we cant know right from wrong by the law, as it is without the Spirit.



Galatians 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

Romans 4:18 Who against hope believed in hope, that he might become the father of many nations, according to that which was spoken, So shall thy seed be.

Romans 4:24 But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;
25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

Romans 15:8 Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers:
9 And that the Gentiles might glorify God for his mercy; as it is written, For this cause I will confess to thee among the Gentiles, and sing unto thy name.

2 Corinthians 3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

1 Thessalonians 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

 

[Abraham1st]

I guess you people wont ever stop what you have done will you, to try to push weak points across, who would believe you when you have not got strength to make even ONE point stand, even SLIGHTLY ?

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Doing righteousness is to do righteousness as Jesus Christ did righteousness, which is to believe in Him laying HIs life down for us, and we to lay our life down for our friends, as that is the greatest love.

In your belief system, is Jesus only righteous for His Sacrifice? But everything else He taught we are to disregard? Not follow His example, not follow His teachings? Is Jesus was only good for His sacrifice and lived not to be our example to show us how someone righteous lives, taught what someone who is righteous does, we come to Him and He is going to leave us in our sinful state, despite His promise to save us from our sins Mat 1:21

When really meeting and loving God one would want to allow God to make changes inside us, so when someone asks us a question we do not choose to lie, because its breaking His commandments and a reflection of the other spirit's character John8:44, not a reflection of God Heb 6:18 who our character is to become like, If Jesus removed the law, so we could still be sinners, there would be no need for His sacrifice. The fact we need grace means the law still exists. If the law goes, there goes grace, if grace goes, we no longer need a Savior, if we no longer need a Savior, then we are all lost. I can see what the other spirit hates God's righteous laws so much.

 

[Abraham1st]

In your belief system, is Jesus only righteous for His Sacrifice? But everything else He taught we are to disregard? Not follow His example, not follow His teachings? Is this your belief system? If Jesus was only good for His sacrifice and lived not to be our example to show us how someone righteous lives, taught what someone who is righteous does, we come to Him and He is going to leave us in our sinful state, despite His promise to save us from our sins Mat 1:21

When really meeting and loving God one would want to allow God to make changes inside us, so when someone asks us a question we do not choose to lie, because its breaking His commandments and a reflection of the other spirit's character John8:44, not a reflection of God Heb 6:18 who our character is to become like, If Jesus removed the law, so we could still be sinners, there would be no need for His sacrifice. The fact we need grace means the law still exists. If the law goes, there goes grace, if grace goes, we no longer need a Savior, if we no longer need a Savior, then we are all lost. I can see what the other spirit hates God's righteous laws so much.

You ask according to scripture, we are to believe with our heart that God raised Him from the dead, to be saved, just that, according to scripture, and it is. ( WE ARE SAVED FRO OUR SINS BY BEING SAVED.)



Romans 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
5 For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.
6 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above
7 Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)
8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.




Changes occur by being born again, as we believe all old is passed away and all is become new.




1 John 3:5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

Galatians 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

John 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.
13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.

2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

You ask according to scripture, we are to believe with our heart that God raised Him from the dead, to be saved, just that, according to scripture, and it is. ( WE ARE SAVED FRO OUR SINS BY BEING SAVED.)



Romans 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

The word "end" in the original Greek means

τέλος
telos
tel'-os
From a primary word τέλλω tellō (to set out for a definite point or goal); properly the point aimed at as a limit, that is, (by implication) the conclusion of an act or state (termination [literally, figuratively or indefinitely], result [immediate, ultimate or prophetic], purpose); specifically an impost or levy (as paid): - + continual, custom, end (-ing), finally, uttermost. Compare G5411.

Christ is the goal of the law for righteousness, not that the law ended as Jesus stated so clearly

Mat 5:19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Least in heaven means lost i.e. not there. Mat5:20

Why we need to be careful of plucking a verse here or there and not reconciling. We need to be careful of not twisting Paul's words 2Peter 3:16 Paul never taught lawlessness, it just out of context. Paul said what matters, is keeping the commandments of God. 1Cor7:19

1 John 3:5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

And yet why are you promoting lawlessness which is sin 1John3:4

9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Sadly not everyone is born of God. Paul speaks of those who are not and what that looks like

Rom 8: 7 Because the [c]carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. 8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.

So if we are not subjecting oursevles to the law of God I would really consider more time in prayer.

Galatians 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Yet Paul said breaking the commandments and quoted from them will not inherit the Kingdom of God just a few verses down.


Gal 3:19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: [d]adultery, [e]fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21 envy, [f]murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Which is what Jesus said Rev 22:14-15 Mat 7:23

 

[Abraham1st]

The word "end" in the original Greek means

τέλος
telos
tel'-os
From a primary word τέλλω tellō (to set out for a definite point or goal); properly the point aimed at as a limit, that is, (by implication) the conclusion of an act or state (termination [literally, figuratively or indefinitely], result [immediate, ultimate or prophetic], purpose); specifically an impost or levy (as paid): - + continual, custom, end (-ing), finally, uttermost. Compare G5411.

Christ is the goal of the law for righteousness, not that the law ended as Jesus stated so clearly

Mat 5:19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Least in heaven means lost i.e. not there. Mat5:20

Why we need to be careful of plucking a verse here or there and not reconciling. There is a salvation warning about twisting Paul's words 2Peter 3:16 Paul never taught lawlessness, it just out of context. Paul said what matters, is keeping the commandments of God. 1Cor7:19

And yet why are you promoting lawlessness which is sin 1John3:4

Sadly not everyone is born of God. Paul speaks of those who are not and what that looks like

Rom 8: 7 Because the [c]carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. 8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.

So if we are not subjecting oursevles to the law of God I would really consider more time in prayer.

Yet Paul said breaking the commandments and quoted from them will not inherit the Kingdom of God just a few verses down.


Gal 3:19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: [d]adultery, [e]fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21 envy, [f]murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Which is what Jesus said Rev 22:14-15 Mat 7:23

The law ended because death ended, the devil who had the power over death, and Jesus Christ alive from the dead, thats love the Holy Ghost born again, the law ended as it was not that faith, it served its purpose, and because it had no love, no Spirit, it killed, now it is kindness, gentleness, mercy, it saves, not kills.


Hebrews 2:11 For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren,
12 Saying, I will declare thy name unto my brethren, in the midst of the church will I sing praise unto thee.
13 And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold I and the children which God hath given me.
14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
15 And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.




Many teaching is for those following law still, so they need to be reminded that the things they break while....keeping law...are them still being carnal, and not belief in the Spirit.

When in belief/led of the Spirit the law is through, we are NOT UNDER THE LAW, and when we do what is right, there is NO LAW AGAINST THESE THIGNS OF THE SPIRIT.



Galatians 3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

Galatians 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,

Galatians 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

 

[Abraham1st]

I hope you see you are all too easily corrected, as all you are is a little to one side so a little adjustment is all thats required on you

 

[SabbathBlessings]

The law of God is what guards the gates of heaven Rev22:14-15 revealed right before the Second Coming of Jesus Christ. Why we see His Covenant which holds His Testimony Exo 31:18 at the last trumpet before the Second Coming of Jesus Rev 11:18-19, Rev 15:5

If Jesus in His own words will say I do not know you, depart from Me, ye who practice lawlessness (without law) Mat7:23 I would consider working backwards from this because any misunderstandings of God's words, mainly with Paul, this should clear it up.

This is the fruit of a saved person according to God's Word

Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

and the unsaved

Rom 8:7 Because the [c]carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. 8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.

We are given free will , the decisions we make will determine, which group we will be in.

 

[Hentenza]

I think righteousness is more a state of being than a trait. Justification, which means to make righteous in God’s eyes, is a state of being not a trait.

 

[Abraham1st]

The law of God is what guards the gates of heaven Rev22:14-15 revealed right before the Second Coming of Jesus Christ. Why we see His Covenant which holds His Testimony Exo 31:18 at the last trumpet before the Second Coming of Jesus Rev 11:18-19, Rev 15:5

If Jesus in His own words will say I do not know you, depart from Me, ye who practice lawlessness (without law) Mat7:23 I would consider working backwards from this because any misunderstand of God's words, mainly with Paul, this should clear it up.

This is the fruit of a saved person according to God;s Word

Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

and the unsaved

Rom 8:7 Because the [c]carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. 8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.

We are given free will which will depend which group we will be in.

Yes all over like unstable water, you hit and run thats how you do your gorilla tactics.


You sound like you fancy your chances understanding revelation now, it is the UNBELIEVERS WHO ARE OUT...



Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Revelation 22:15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.




The carnal mind is those in the law, but those in the Spirit are not in their law, they are in the law of faith.



1 Corinthians 3:3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?


Galatians 3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

Galatians 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

 

[Abraham1st]

We are given free will , the decisions we make will determine, which group we will be in.

John 15:16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.

John 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

 

[Abraham1st]

all complete vain attempts, if you had shame you would recognise it, but you dont.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Not under the law does not mean not keeping it if we are going to read all of the context of Paul. He said not keeping it and named off some of the commandments- breaking one we break them all James 2:10-12 will not inherit the Kingdom of God.

Gal 5: 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.

19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, [e]fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21 envy, [f]murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Those living in the Spirit are keeping God's commandments through love and faith. John 14:15-18 Rev 14:12 those who are living in the flesh are not subject to the law of God Rom 8:8-7. Under the law means not being in condemnation to the law Rom 8:1 and being guilty before God Rom 3:19 those in Christ would be abiding in Him obeying Him through love and faith John 15:10 John 14:15 Exo 20:6 which reconciles Rev 22:14

Rev 22:14-15

 

[Abraham1st]

Not under the law does not mean not keeping it if we are going to read all of the context of Paul. He said not keeping it and named off some of the commandments- breaking one we break them all James 2:10-12 will not inherit the Kingdom of God.

Gal 5: 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.

19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, [e]fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21 envy, [f]murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Just as Jesus said Rev 22:14-15

all is kept...


Galatians 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

James 2:8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:

 

[Abraham1st]

you dont feel like your posts are weak, and quickly answered ?

 

[SabbathBlessings]

all is kept...


Galatians 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

James 2:8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:

So there is a law and it didn't end. Finally something we agree on.

However the summary of the law, does not delete the details. Rom13:9 Deut 6:5 Deut 5 Exo 20:1-17

 

[Abraham1st]

So there is a law and it didn't end. Finally something we agree on.

However the summary of the law, does not delete the details. Rom13:9 Deut 6:5 Deut 5 Exo 20:1-17

Love began, hatred ended, law=death hatred curse, righteousness=Christ=grace.

You agree with yourself, because your points are only pleasing to you, but to others, they are not of faith, which is what pleases God.



Hebrews 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

Galatians 5:6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.

 

[Abraham1st]

I said earlier, are you only grasping, do you feel you have strong points, you dont see any answers, so you can talk but cant hear, is that the problem