The first few days after the return of the Israeli hostages from the Gaza Strip have brought shocking reports to light. What had previously only been suspected has now been confirmed by personal testimonies: years of torture, psychological terror and attempts at religious coercion were part of everyday life for the kidnapped victims, a reality that defies human imagination.

Rom Braslavski, one of the recently released hostages, was held captive alone for two years, according to his mother, under the control of Palestinian Islamic Jihad. Just two days before his release, he was taken to the tunnels where many Israeli hostages had been held for months.

His mother, Tami Braslavski, told Israeli television that the kidnappers demanded that he convert to Islam. When he refused, he was subjected to abuse.

In another conversation, she described how her son was at times held in a room with the bodies of other hostages. After his return, Rom helped the Israeli authorities locate the bodies in the hope of finally bringing them home.

According to reports, the kidnappers tried to break Braslavski psychologically: they told him that Iran had destroyed Israel, showed him fake news clips and claimed that his parents had given up on him. They repeatedly offered him better treatment on one condition: that he fast like Muslims do during Ramadan, read the Koran and convert to Islam.

The statements made by those who have been released show how systematically Hamas and Islamic Jihad rely on humiliation, isolation and brainwashing. They rob people of their dignity, their sense of direction, their faith and call it ‘resistance’.

According to an Israeli officer, the tunnels in the Gaza Strip are not just military installations, they are underground prisons built for psychological destruction.

These testimonies definitively refute the romanticised image of so-called resistance in the Gaza Strip. What the hostages experienced was not a struggle for freedom, it was an attack on humanity itself.

SabbathBlessings said:

The law of God is what guards the gates of heaven Rev22:14-15 revealed right before the Second Coming of Jesus Christ. Why we see His Covenant which holds His Testimony Exo 31:18 at the last trumpet before the Second Coming of Jesus Rev 11:18-19, Rev 15:5

If Jesus in His own words will say I do not know you, depart from Me, ye who practice lawlessness (without law) Mat7:23 I would consider working backwards from this because any misunderstand of God's words, mainly with Paul, this should clear it up.

This is the fruit of a saved person according to God;s Word

Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

and the unsaved

Rom 8:7 Because the [c]carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. 8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.

We are given free will which will depend which group we will be in.

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Yes all over like unstable water, you hit and run thats how you do your gorilla tactics.


You sound like you fancy your chances understanding revelation now, it is the UNBELIEVERS WHO ARE OUT...



Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Revelation 22:15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.




The carnal mind is those in the law, but those in the Spirit are not in their law, they are in the law of faith.



1 Corinthians 3:3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?


Galatians 3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

Galatians 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

Abraham1st said:

sure, lets see if your gamble to talk instead of to lay the life down for our friends is the better option, or just agree to whats told of the greatest love and we do it, or dont agree whats it matter to me, your decisions im sure

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If we truly love, then it should matter to us. Either way so far all's I've heard from either one of us is talk since that's the nature of the forums and that may be all it is:talk. Now, if you're out there doing a good job of loving then you're one of His. But that's all I've been saying all along.

I think righteousness is more a state of being than a trait. Justification, which means to make righteous in God’s eyes, is a state of being not a trait.

Guojing said:

So now you are saying that refusing the mark is part of the requirement for salvation during the Tribulation?

It is no longer believing in Jesus alone?

How does your salvation was always by faith alone works then? If I believe in Jesus at the beginning of the 7 years of tribulation, but I only decided to take the mark of the beast in year 5, was I saved before that 5th year but lost it after I took the mark?

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I have always stated those who have passed the point of eternal life are required to do works to keep living physically. Plus, after the point of eternal life we must obey the 2 commandments. Keep believing in Jesus and to love the brethren as Jesus loved us. If we keep the first commandment God, can deal with the loving our brethren through discipline.

If we take the mark of the beast, we have agreed with the beast hating our brethren. Since anything one does to a Christian, they do to Jesus, we would agree with the beast in hating Jesus. You cannot have faith in Jesus and hate Him also. You have lost faith in Jesus. You cannot take the mark and have faith in Jesus.

Revelation 21:8 But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death." NKJV

Revelation is the first book, I believe, where the cowardly are listed as not making it to heaven. It must be a warning.

Say it aint so said:

If there are people dissimulating classified information to family members, or knowingly doing so to reporters even to the point of telling the reporters they shouldn't be showing them this, or to foreign nationalists at a resort; they should be indicted for those actions.

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That's where John Bolton is at fault. Although some will turn this into a political issue, his indictment by the Trump administration is not entirely political.

ralliann said:

The problem is not ICE. The problem is violent groups like antifa. And people calling for them to be shot and killed.

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Go look up some videos of ICE and tell me that throwing people to the ground is normal police procedure.

I don't recall this going on during Obama's, Trump's 1st term, and Biden's terms. And both Obama and Biden exported more people than Trump, and didn't need ICE to resort to these types of tactics.

JosephZ said:

Most states don't require a background check for private sales or transfers of guns, and most don't have red flag laws that allow the removal of guns from people who might be a danger to themselves or others.

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The question becomes, how many homicides were committed by people who bought the gun from a private sale?

I do support whole heartedly ted flag laws and removing guns from those and the mentally ill who are a danger.

fhansen said:

Geez, whatever. I follow Jesus because I like what He says but...whatever. Might as well make an argument out of it if we can.

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sure, lets see if your gamble to talk instead of to lay the life down for our friends is the better option, or just agree to whats told of the greatest love and we do it, or dont agree whats it matter to me, your decisions im sure

Always in His Presence said:

78,000,000 voted for the deportations -

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There are 400,000,000~ people in the country, so not even a majority.

And some of them have buyer's remorse.

Vambram said:

78 million Americans knows that those felonies were nothing more than lawfare.

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For centuries, the United States has been recognized for its democratic principles, impartial judiciary, and adherence to the rule of law. In recent decades, public reactions to judicial decisions sometimes reflect agreement with outcomes that align with personal views, while opposing verdicts are occasionally questioned for impartiality or judicial activism.

The prosecution of President Trump during the Biden administration has led to discussions about potential concerns regarding prosecutorial conduct and perceptions of political bias, as well as the conviction's details. The American justice system provides avenues for individuals to appeal convictions and seek legal remedies if necessary.

If prosecution against President Trump involved bias or prosecutorial misconduct, the matter should be litigated through the judicial system, potentially up to the Supreme Court. Voters who aim to challenge judicial outcomes through election choices may inadvertently indicate doubts about the impartiality of the judiciary and the nation's commitment to respecting legal processes.

Jerusalem draws a clear red line: without the return of the dead hostages, Gaza will remain closed to foreign forces.

Israel has convened the Security Council to discuss Hamas' refusal to return the bodies of those killed. It was decided to refuse entry to the Gaza Strip to 81 Turkish rescue workers with heavy equipment as long as Hamas does not hand over the remains of Israeli hostages. Israel wants to prevent rescue efforts from being exploited by Hamas, whether for propaganda purposes or to conceal evidence. The decision was confirmed at the highest level and it sends a clear message: humanitarian aid must not be used as a cover for covering up war crimes.

According to government sources, it is clear that Hamas has precise information about the whereabouts of some of the hostages. Some bodies could be handed over immediately, while others lie in destroyed tunnels, some deep beneath the rubble. However, Israel considers the terrorist organisation's silence to be a deliberate tactic rather than a logistical problem.

After the Security Council meeting, Netanyahu spoke on the phone with US President Donald Trump. Both politicians agreed that without the full return of all hostages and their bodies, ‘phase 2’ cannot begin. Trump emphasised that the US would increase pressure on the mediators, Egypt and Qatar, to force Hamas to fulfil its obligations. At the same time, he warned that a power vacuum in Gaza would only benefit those forces ‘that thrive on chaos’. Israel and the United States therefore intend to take coordinated action before Jerusalem takes its own military or diplomatic steps.

A Western diplomat in Cairo summed it up: ‘There must be no vacuum in which Hamas can grow again. Israel is acting harshly, but understandably.’

In a country that feels deeply connected to its fallen soldiers, this step means that there will be no compromise with a terrorist organisation that wants to continue exercising power even in death.

SabbathBlessings said:

Grace does not allow us to sin, its the opposite

Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? 2 Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it?

If we are breaking God's laws, we are a servant to sin someone in Christ is abiding in Him and keeping His commandments John 14:15-19 John 15:10 1 John3:25 Acts 5:32

Those who do not subject themselves to the law of God sadly, are the lost Rom8:7-8

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while we have faith in Christ we dont need to be told to not sin, we no longer serve sin, can you ever stop going in circles like a hamster on a wheel, if teaching goes to some who sin, they dont have the Spirit they dont have faith, but if we serve righteousness not sin, we cant serve two masters, now do we return to serve the old, as all old is passed away

you are answered, you will always be answered

@partinobodycular

And about this theoretical 100% all-knowing being, or a.k.a. God from or at the very beginning, the way he would have saw it all or was seeing it all from before anything else was made, or came into being, would be by (instantly?) (or at single moments in time maybe?) envisioning all kinds of different paths, or different possibilities, and then choosing one of them to set forth or make happen/go from the very beginning, knowing how he would have to originally set it all in motion or start it out a certain way in order to result in that specific path, or in that particular possibility, and then making it all go or happen that way from or at the very beginning, but already knowing/seeing it all already, in maybe "single moments in time" maybe, as he was considering each one each individually maybe, from or at or right before the very beginning, and then making it happen that way, which he only had to do at the very beginning, etc.

Anyway, don't know, but it's something to think about maybe?

Take Care.

Larniavc said:

You can’t really get more granular than the nationality of a people. They share a common culture, education, health benefits; they all grow up with the American dream.

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Actually you can. Just like in the UK. There are cultures within cultures. In London we have seen a clash of cultures. In Germany we have seen that as well. In America we have a shared American culture, but we also have other cultures within that. America is a VERY large place. We have a lot of subcultures here. We also don't share a common education. Each state and community has its own educational system. They choose the curriculum and what they want taught. And certain cultures within those systems also impact how well the kids learn.

There are clear subcultures here that drive certain things. Violent crime is one of those things. Per capita there is one group that drives the violent crime. What is that group?

Oompa Loompa said:

No one is above the law.

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...except people elected president.

Vambram said:

78 million Americans knows that those felonies were nothing more than lawfare.

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Half of Americans are below average.

David Lamb said:

But how you compare with other sinners is not the biblical basis for being a saint, being a Christian. It is whether or not you believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. Once you are saved, it should be your aim to live more and more like the Lord Jesus Christ, but even then, I would say it is wrong t compare yourself to other sinners, saying things like, "I'm not as vile as other people."

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Well as another wise man said, there is sin, and there is sin unto death, and for that I do not recommend you should pray.

Abraham1st said:

but this is not about liking whats said is it, its about liking what we can do through that love and faith in us.

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Geez, whatever. I follow Jesus because I like what He says but...whatever. Might as well make an argument out of it if we can.

fhansen said:

I think Martin Luther and a few others did that. All churches have some moniker, the EO is one such name which also covers, among others, ancient churches with the names Church of Antioch, Church of Alexandria, Church of Jerusalem, etc. Simi;larly the Churtch of Rome became known as the Cathilc Church. The eruption of new denomiantions began occuring when they protested against and split from the CC.

Yes, of course.

Whoever "we" are. As I've mentioned the "we" that includes non-Catholics here who hold to Sola Scripura aren't agreeing on what the faith is on a very basic point!

I didn't bring up orthodoxy but at the same time I didn't need to because, of course, everyone here has been arguing about the orthodoxy, the truth, of one belief vs another pertaining to the law. As for belittling? I simply stated a truth, one that you should agree with and most likely applaud while I think less of it.

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I’m going to leave this conversation with this warning for you. If Christ came to earth today your church would not allow Him to have communion or to teach because if the arrogance. Think about that one for a bit. Bye

Fantine said:

Now if they just go after the rural entrepreneurs along I49 cooking meth out of sudafed.

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Keep your grubby jackboots off my sudafed.