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9 Ex-CDC Chiefs Sound Alarm on RFK Jr.’s Leadership in Scathing NY Times Op-Ed: ‘Endangering Every American’s Health’

Nine former directors of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, spanning administrations from President Jimmy Carter to President Donald Trump, joined forces to warn Health Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. is “endangering every American’s health” in a scathing takedown of his actions.

In a joint New York Times op-ed, the former officials wrote that Kennedy’s actions are “unlike anything we have ever seen at the agency, and unlike anything our country has ever experienced.”

Their alarm follows the abrupt firing of CDC director Dr. Susan Monarez.

“When Secretary Kennedy administered the oath of office to Dr. Monarez on July 31, he called her ‘a public health expert with unimpeachable scientific credentials,’” the officials wrote. “But when she refused weeks later to rubber-stamp his dangerous and unfounded vaccine recommendations or heed his demand to fire senior C.D.C. staff members, he decided she was expendable.”

“None of us would have agreed to the secretary’s demands, and we applaud Dr. Monarez for standing up for the agency and the health of our communities,” they added.
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Blacks Reject Their Heroic White Saviors

You guys have suggested some kind of conspiracy theory. Why is like pulling teeth to get you to say what the theory is?
[Thing happens]
[Report by right-wing media suggests ANTIFA is behind it all]
[We learn about this via the OP]

Some of us are skeptical about ANTIFA’s involvement, which you’ve taken to mean they we have some sort of theory that we’re working with to dissuade the readers from the OP’s premise.

We’re (all) allowed to be ignorant of the basis for the [thing that happened].
We’re allowed to speculate about what [happened] but without further reporting, we’re not to get anywhere nearer “the truth” whilst we bugtussel and bloviate.

Please enjoy your day.
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Fewer international tourists are visiting the U.S. — economic losses could be ‘staggering,’ researchers estimate

The ‘self-inflicted injury’ to US tourism that’s making some Americans angry and disappointed

Joe Koenen has not seen a single Toronto Blue Jays baseball hat all summer.

Typically, Canadians will flood the streets of Seattle during the summer, but Koenen, who runs Seattle Free Walking Tours (where people pay what they can), said Canadian tourists are almost gone. Streets look emptier to him.

Canadians calling to cancel their tours “explicitly told me that it was because of the policies and the behavior of our current president,” he said.

As a result of seeing 30% fewer customers this year overall, Koenen has been paying his employees but not himself.

Another Seattle tour operator, John Brink, said “usually you kill it that weekend,” referring to the annual May series between the Toronto Blue Jays and Seattle Mariners. But the foot traffic wasn’t there this year. The Blue Jays are Canada’s only Major League Baseball team, so while the team is based in Toronto, many fans from Western Canada passionately sport their Blue Jays gear when they come to Seattle each summer.

After a promising estimate in December by analytics company Tourism Economics that the US would see about 9% growth in overall international visitation in 2025, the company’s updated outlook now estimates an 8.2% decline, led by about one quarter fewer Canadians visiting the US from January to July, compared to the same period in 2024.

The World Travel and Tourism Council, a global tourism advocacy organization, projected in May that the United States will lose $12.5 billion in international visitor spending in 2025, the only country out of 184 economies the council analyzed that will see a decline this year.
So much winning, we should start pacing ourselves before we get overwhelmed.
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A conversation about unity.

The idea that only a chosen 'ordained' few can validly break bread in remembrance of Jesus cements the concept of a seperate priesthood within the body and establishes the clergy-laity divide.

Forgive me, my post was talking about the current unity that exists between the four ancient churches. It does not extend to encompass my support for unity between traditional Anglicans like yourself and your son and the Maori community in New Zealand; it also should not be interpreted as an endorsement of clericalism or over-generalized. That said I would note that the Anglicans have themselves always said that the Eucharist is one of those tasks for Presbyters within the context of the Anglican church, which is why Ante-Communion exists, and why Morning Prayer and Evening Prayer are different in the absence of a presbyter.
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A conversation about unity.

Beliefs about Mary not affirmed by the Anglican church are: Immaculate Conception, Perpetual Virginity, Assumption of Mary.
Beliefs about Mary not affirmed by the Lutheran church are: Mary as Intercessor, Immaculate Conception, Perpetual Virginity.

You’ve read wrong. Martin Luther and the founders of the Anglican church all affirmed the Perpetual Virginity of the Theotokos. This doctrine was also affirmed by John Wesley, and even by John Calvin. Also, all of the above (reluctantly, in the case of Calvin, who was accused of Nestorianism by the Lutherans, who he in turn accused of Monophysitism, which is actually extinct as a heresy, but the Lutherans are in good company being falsely accused of Monophysitism, for indeed Martin Luther realized from the example of the Ethiopian Orthodox Church, at the time part of the Coptic Orthodox Church, an Oriental Orthodox jurisdiction, that communion with Rome was something that had to be maintained at all costs for ecclesiastical legitimacy.

Indeed, Martin Luther prayed the Hail Mary frequently as part of his prayer rule. Now, it is true that the version he prayed omitted the intercessory petition; Martin Luther disagreed with the idea of asking saints for intercessory prayer; this is one of only a few points of difference between him and confessional Lutherans such as my friends @MarkRohfrietsch @Ain't Zwinglian @ViaCrucis and the Eastern and Oriental Orthodox, Anglo-Catholics and Roman Catholics*. However, to be fair, Martin Luther thought he was praying an older Eastern Orthodox version of the Ave Maria used by the Eastern Orthodox which lacked an intercessory petition, and this belief remains common among Lutherans. What he was actually praying a Marian hymn called a Theotokion from Orthros (Matins), the primary variable portion of the Orthodox Divine Office, which often closely resembles the Hail Mary, albeit not necessarily with an intercession, but rather with a glorification. The Stavrotheotokia, which are hymns lauding the Blessed Virgin Mary at the foot of the Cross during the passion of her Son, Christ our God, are some of the most beautiful and powerful hymns in use in the Christian church, and also, like the rest of the Theotokia, very ancient - most of the hymns from this part of the Byzantine Rite liturgy were composed by St. John of Damascus or the monks at Studion, some being older and some being newer, but with an average age of around 1300 years.

With Anglicanism, there is a thing called Churchmanship, in that in order to provide for the unity of the Church of England, the Elizabethan Settlement allowed for Anglicans to co-exist in one church despite some leaning more in a Reformed Calvinist or Zwinglian “low church” orientation and the others in a more Lutheran/Catholic and indeed Orthodox**-influenced “high church” orientation. There are also broad church parishes, which aim to include both groups (the height of this movement was with the Latitudinarians of the 18th century, who can be seen as English counterparts to the Pietist movement that had such a disastrous impact on the Lutheran church; Pietism coupled with Rationalism, imposed by the Calvinist Prussians in order to minimize theological dissent between the Lutheran majority in their vast and newly formed Kingdom and Calvinist minority, brought to an end the period of Lutheran Orthodoxy, in which the Church of Sweden and the Church of Saxony produced the exquisite liturgical music of Dietrich Buxtehude and his protege Johann Sebastian Bach, respectively, with a focus on doctrinal purity and correct worship (Orthodoxy literally means “Right Glorification”, and the Slavonic translation, Pravoslavie, means “True Glorification”). At any rate, since the 19th century there have been more strata of Anglican churchmanship: Anglo-Catholics, who are the highest of high church Anglicans, Evangelicals, who are more low church than the traditional Low Church Anglicans, some of whom, in terms of their formality, look High Church to the uninitiated, Liberal Catholics, who consist partially of malcontented former Roman Catholics and would-be Catholics who have an issue with some of the moral teaching of the Catholic Church surrounding divorce and remarriage, homosexuality, and other issues (the rise of Liberal Catholicism has largely pushed traditional conservative Anglo Catholicism out of the Episcopal Church in many dioceses; the Episcopal Church has always been very high church, but since 1979, in the dioceses under the control of more liberal bishops, things became increasingly uncomfortable for traditional Anglo Catholics, and they left - some joining the initial wave of departures in 1979, being part of the Continuing Anglican movement which also includes my dearly beloved High Church friends including one on this forum, others joining the more recently formed ACNA, and still others being a member of dioceses which left the Episcopal Church, in the case of the Diocese of Fort Worth taking their property with them. Still other Anglo Catholic dioceses such as that of Baton Rouge, Louisiana continue to retain a conservative character; there is also a conservative high church Anglo Catholic parish in Detroit which is so traditional, I was convinced it was Continuing Anglican and was genuinely shocked to discover it was still a part of the Episcopal Church (Detroit is also home to the Mariner’s Church, an independent liturgically Anglican parish serving the merchant marine that sails the Great Lakes, along with similar churches in other major ports on the US and Canadian shore; there are also churches in the coastal cities of the US and Europe which cater to mariners of different nationalities, often related to the national church if one exists, including several in London, despite the fact that London’s traditional seaports have been redeveloped, with commerce moving further away from the city). The Episcopal Church unsuccessfully attempted to assert control over the Mariner’s Church. There are also Anglo-Papalists, who are members of the Anglican Communion who believe in Papal Supremacy; most of them have joined the Anglican Ordinariates but a few remain in the Church of England and other Anglican bodies, agitating for submission of the Archbishop of Canterbury or their provincial archbishop or metropolitan to Ultramontanist authority.

* In the case of Lutheranism, it should be recognized that in general Martin Luther was trying to restore Patristic standards. The issues where his views, likely unbeknownst to him and to the shock of second generation Lutheran theologians who were finally able to dialogue with Patriarch Jeremias II of Constantinople, that have been divisive, include the idea of the episcopate as optional, the various solas, monergism, the rejection of intercessory prayer of the saints, and in terms of the liturgy, Martin Luther took a dim view of the Roman sacrament of Extreme Unction, but my understanding is that the pan-Orthodox liturgy of the anointing of the sick and those fasting with oil, which lacks the components of the Roman liturgy administered only to the dying that made Luther regard it as a curse, is not offensive to Lutherans (this liturgy is remarkable in that it is celebrated by Eastern Orthodox, Coptic Orthodox and Syriac Orthodox with very few variations; I have not examined the Armenian or Ethiopian forms of it but expect the Ethiopian would follow either the Coptic or Syriac pattern, as the Ethiopic liturgy was adopted from an older Jewish liturgy by the Seven Syrian Sages, a group of Syriac speaking liturgists from Antioch, in the fourth century, who were able to speak the Semitic Ge’ez language with greater ease than the mostly Greek and partially Coptic speaking Alexandrian clergy of the time; there are also naturally Coptic influences on the Ethiopian liturgy. In each case this liturgy consists of seven (or in the case of the Syriac Orthodox and Indian Orthodox use, five) sets of prayers and Scripture readings, in which seven Psalms, Epistles and Gospels are read and seven prayers for the sick are made, and, typically, seven oil lamps or wicks into a bowl of oil being consecrated are lit (this is always done in the Coptic and Syriac rite but I’m not sure if the Eastern Orthodox always do this). The person is then anointed with the oil, either on the forehead, or on multiple parts of the body.

** There is a long history of Eastern Orthodox influence on Anglicanism, going back to the Book of Common Prayer which includes among the prayers said at the end of at Morning Prayer and Evensong A Prayer of St. Chrysostom which is in fact the Prayer of the Second Antiphon from the Eastern Orthodox syanaxis or liturgy of the catechumens (liturgy of the Word in Roman Catholic and modern Protestant parlance), most commonly used with the Divine Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom, but also used with the Divine Liturgy of St. Basil (except in its vesperal form) and a few others, including the Armenian Orthodox liturgy, which implemented the same synaxis more or less during a period of Byzantine influence (there was also a period of Latin influence, so the Armenian liturgy has been, since the 15th century, a blend of Byzantine, Latin, Syro / Antiochene and indigenous Armenian influence as well as heavily influence from the Church of Jerusalem, whose liturgies influenced all of the other ancient churches). This has ohly intensified since then: for example, the Scottish and non-Juring English Episcopalians added the Epiclesis from the Orthodox DIvine Liturgy of St. James to the Anglican Communion Service (from which it made it into the traditional American Anglican liturgy) and indeed the Episcopal Church even came close to union with the Russian Orthodox Church, until the Bolshevik Revolution shattered that dream.
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Robert F. Kennedy Jr. fires his chief of staff and deputy chief for policy at Department of Health and Human Services

Hannah Anderson was removed as deputy chief of staff for policy in June after only a few months on the job. She was so distraught by her dismissal that she accidentally backed into Kennedy's vehicle, reported The Daily Beast.

The minor crash was first reported by the Wall Street Journal in a lengthy account of the infighting within the so-called Make America Healthy Again movement, including the forced resignation of Dr. Vinay Prasad as the Food and Drug Administration’s top vaccine official and head of the Center for Biologics Evaluation and Research.
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Fewer international tourists are visiting the U.S. — economic losses could be ‘staggering,’ researchers estimate

The ‘self-inflicted injury’ to US tourism that’s making some Americans angry and disappointed

Joe Koenen has not seen a single Toronto Blue Jays baseball hat all summer.

Typically, Canadians will flood the streets of Seattle during the summer, but Koenen, who runs Seattle Free Walking Tours (where people pay what they can), said Canadian tourists are almost gone. Streets look emptier to him.

Canadians calling to cancel their tours “explicitly told me that it was because of the policies and the behavior of our current president,” he said.

As a result of seeing 30% fewer customers this year overall, Koenen has been paying his employees but not himself.

Another Seattle tour operator, John Brink, said “usually you kill it that weekend,” referring to the annual May series between the Toronto Blue Jays and Seattle Mariners. But the foot traffic wasn’t there this year. The Blue Jays are Canada’s only Major League Baseball team, so while the team is based in Toronto, many fans from Western Canada passionately sport their Blue Jays gear when they come to Seattle each summer.

After a promising estimate in December by analytics company Tourism Economics that the US would see about 9% growth in overall international visitation in 2025, the company’s updated outlook now estimates an 8.2% decline, led by about one quarter fewer Canadians visiting the US from January to July, compared to the same period in 2024.

The World Travel and Tourism Council, a global tourism advocacy organization, projected in May that the United States will lose $12.5 billion in international visitor spending in 2025, the only country out of 184 economies the council analyzed that will see a decline this year.
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Evolution conflict and division

It might have gone better for you, if you had done a bit of research first.

It might go better for you if you researched how many scientists reject evolution theory.
Actually, there's a way to check that. Start with the Discovery Institute's "Scientists who doubt Darwin."

Then compare to the list of scientists on Project Steve.

To qualify, one has to have a doctorate in biology or a related field, and be named "Steve" or some variant of the name like Stephany or Estaban and accept evolutionary theory.
Last time I compared the DI list with Project Steve's list, it turned out about 0.3% of such people doubt or reject evolutionary theory. Not 3%, 0.3%. Kind of puts it all in perspective, doesn't it?

Unanimous agreement among experts is the appropriate measure of discerning truth with regard to anything that is a matter of truth.
Seems to me, 99.7% is pretty good agreement, don't you think?
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WHAT DOE PAUL MEAN IN. ROM. 16:25 ??

And I do admit , where you. say Yeah. , I didn't think so did brother me , and all what Paul meant is. that he. is human. just

like the rest of all. of us , and Paul was CHOSEN. before he was. born to preach God's Gospel in. Rom 1:1. '

and whether you like it or not. Paul is the Apostle to the Gentiles whether anyone like him or NOT !!

dan p
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Can you imagine love in heaven?

Sadly I have grave doubts I will ever find a type of love that fully satisfies me. Mainly because of the harsh reality we have evolved in.

While whatever love we can have will have flaws, as long as we try our best within the psychological system we find ourselves in, guilt isn't warranted.

Currently I am toying with an idea of love that revolves around rationality/intellectualism. Especially the idea that rationality should be the ultimate and final lens we use to love others.

Instead of love that derives from pain/suffering like empathy and sympathy. Rational love requires sacrificing any feel good emotions we may have in helping or loving others and instead be rational and cold about what is really best for them. Realizing emotions can be misleading.

For example I was recently talking to a woman and asking how she perceives the average man. She said that the average man wants to rape and kill women. While I have my doubts about how much people really believe this, it is a popular sentiment that is casually thrown around in left/feminist circles.

While most men are not happy about the prospects of this being true, I do believe the idea is emotionally appealing because it gives women a vulnerable allure. So many simply do not question this statement and go along and even encourage these thoughts.

Is it actually loving going along with it? I do not believe so. While most people probably do not take these statements 100% seriously, I do think these ideas floating around with little pushback (especially in left/feminist circles) is harmful. Not only to men, but to women. I know of testimonies from former feminist women who say when they stopped being feminist and questioned the narrative about men being violent and predatory they found themselves feeling safer in general.

I pushed back on her statements. Not out of hatred, I actually have a good relationship with this woman but out of wanting to do the right thing and actually be loving. While women shouldn't be oblivious to their safety, unless men really are this way.. gaslighting and overblowing the dangers of men doesn't help anyone.

Eventually she agreed with my pushback. Honestly she confirmed my suspicions about these statements and admitted she liked the idea of the average man being prone to raping and killing women. Most likely an inverse of why men like these fantasies. She like the vulnerable allure it gives her. Not that she actually wants it to happen, but likes the damsel in distress vibe it brings.

The thing is.. even if some people find these ideas about men strangely appealing others do not. Some will still believe it to some capacity and suffering needless fear as a result.

I felt pretty good about myself after this exchange and acknowledged that this was an example and an expression of rational love.

Despite being vocal for my hatred of feminism and what I perceive as a movement that twists everything I to women being perpetual victims, emotionally I understand the appeal. Just intellectually... and my conscience.. I cannot blindly go along with it.

In the past my pushback against these statements have been out of anger, but now I am trying to steer these angry thoughts into thoughts that are geared towards a loving manner.

Thanks for sharing.

I have never given the word "love" much thought, because it is used so much about likes and dislikes, pretty elastic.

But I heard some years ago someone ask what is the opposite to love,

many said hate, but the person who asked did not agree, he meant that indifference is the opposite.

That makes sense to me.
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Tit for Tat Tariffs - The US versus the World

US diplomacy has its work cut out for it. If only this Administration had some.

SCO summit 2025 as it happened: China's Xi met Putin and Modi, as Trump's shadow loomed

More background and comment.

42 Percent Of The World Is Buying China’s Anti-U.S. Narrative

Most Americans have probably never heard of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization. But 42 percent of the world’s population are members of this Anti-US club. As the organization meets in Tianjin this weekend, Xi and Putin are rehearsing an anti-U.S. narrative to divide the U.S. from important allies and partners. Xi and Putin used the Shanghai Cooperation Organization summit to tell a coherent fiction:The U.S. and its allies are “militarizing” the Pacific, cyberspace, and outer space. China and Russia are positioning the organization to play a diplomatic and military role that will counter other international organizations that have been traditionally led by the U.S. The U.S. cannot afford to lose the hearts and minds of 42 percent of the world’s population–and must act to counter China and Russia’s dangerous information warfare and legal warfare.

The SCO was established in its current form in 2001, as a security cooperation organization. Its members are China, Russia, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Russia, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, India, Pakistan, Iran, and Belarus. Myanmar has recently expressed interest in joining the group. Turkey–a NATO ally–participated in the summit, along with a total of 20 foreign leaders and 10 heads of international organizations.

The U.S. cannot afford to ignore China-led initiatives like the Shanghai Cooperation Organization. U.S. allies and partners are increasingly joining China-led organizations and initiatives. The U.S. must work to counter China’s false stories and to establish its own narrative of being a guarantor of security, freedom, and prosperity for all nations.


OK, but before all the freedom and security jazz, here's a 25% tariff on all your nation's products.
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WHAT DOE PAUL MEAN IN. ROM. 16:25 ??

John 7:7

The world cannot hate you; but me it hateth, because I testify of it, that the works thereof are evil.

Romans 7:19
For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.

OK, who wants to "follow Paul" now with his truthful confession?

Yeah, I didn't think so.
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Chicago Mayor - the city is safe needs no help

Our leaders abandoned Chicago. Trump is right: It's time to call in the Guard

After all, the government’s first responsibility is to protect its citizens. When endless violence continues to plague the lives of people around me, action is needed.​
When can we expect action from the GOP to prevent school shootings?
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Ex Fox News host Jeanine Pirro confirmed as DC US Attorney

That one, and the sandwich guy, and now Pirro's thrown another gutterball. Wait, I've switched sports.
Make it six "no true bill"s for Pirro. It used to be you could indict a ham sandwich. Now you can't even indict a thrown sandwich. Wokka Wokka.

D.C. grand jury declines to indict another defendant amid Trump's crime crackdown

Grand juries have declined to indict at least six times in recent weeks as part of President Donald Trump's federal policing in Washington.

The U.S. Attorney’s Office for the District of Columbia accusedNathalie Rose Jones of Indiana of threatening to take the life of the president and transmitting threats over state lines on Instagram and Facebook.

Jones allegedly called Trump a “terrorist” and a “Nazi” in a voluntary interview with the Secret Service. She attended a march in Washington on Aug. 16 that went around the White House complex and was then arrested, though she said she had no desire at that time to harm Trump
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Hamas knows exactly what it is doing. Starvation is a bargaining chip; the emaciated hostage is a living press release.

In a general sense, the main "benefits" that the article lists are just the ability to purchase products from Israeli companies and collaborations between US and Israeli companies on technology. It's not really clear how they think those are uniquely enabled by us sending billions of dollars per year to the country, unless, of course, the billions we're sending are funding those products that we buy from them and propping up the companies that we collaborate with. In which case, I have to ask whether it would be better spending that money domestically.
Don’t forget about the security threats and intelligence throughout the Middle East that Israel provides to the US. Their positioning in the Middle East makes them extremely valuable.
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Trump suggests he’ll release Jeffrey Epstein ‘client list’ if elected: ‘I’d have no problem with it’

GOP Rep. Thomas Massie takes first step to force a vote on releasing the Epstein files

Massie's discharge petition push comes as he and Democrat Ro Khanna will host Epstein victims at a news conference on Capitol Hill on Wednesday.

If they can secure the requisite 218 signatures, there is still an additional waiting period of seven legislative days before a vote can happen. Then the House speaker has two legislative days before he must call up the measure for a vote on the floor. So, the earliest a final vote could happen would be in two weeks.

It's one of the first House actions as lawmakers return to Washington from their five-week summer recess. And the issue is sure to dominate Capitol Hill this week, as sexual abuse survivors of Epstein — the convicted sex offender who took his own life in prison in 2019 — meet with key lawmakers Tuesday and hold a much-anticipated news conference Wednesday.
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Blacks Reject Their Heroic White Saviors

If there is no official uniform, then your claim that they were "dressed like Antifa" makes no sense.
My question contained no assumptions, but I've answered your questions anyway even though they're irrelevant.
See above.
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Chicago Mayor - the city is safe needs no help

Post #3

I never said it was a verbatim quote -
White kid shoots up a school full of white children and the left are outraged. But when black kids shoot up other black kids, the left does nothing.
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Chicago Mayor - the city is safe needs no help

Saying he doesn't want nationalized federal troops in his city is not the same as saying he doesn't need help.

Trump has been cutting all sorts of emergency management and security funds from state and local governments. Maybe instead of cutting those grants, he could increase them if he wanted to help. State and local governments are better able to assess and address needs, rather than some centralized federal authority, setting aside the use of federalized military assets for law enforcement.

I never said it was a verbatim quote -
It is nowhere near synonymous.
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Minnesota Democrat Rep. Ilhan Omar Suddenly Somehow Worth $30 Million, According to Report

By one poster who contributed 7 out of the 10 posts since October 2024. It is about as alive as Joe Biden during his debate with Donald Trump.
Well, then there's not much in there to draw attention from your outrage at the corruption, is there? You have the stage virtually to yourself.
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