JSRG said:

Ah, Project 2025, the boogeyman of Democrats.

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I guess that's why so many former Republican Trump staffer's are speaking out against it?

I guess that's why Australia's ABC’s flagship current affairs program “4 Corners” ran a special on Project 2025?
It's all those Democrats! Riiiiiiight.
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ABC then shared the full interview with the former CIA director.

”Leon Panetta says countries are governed either by leadership or by crisis. He tells Four Corners that democracy would be threatened if Trump was to be re-elected as President of the United States and says, ‘it was bad enough the first time’. Panetta speaks about what he sees as Trump’s disregard for intelligence, focus on power, desire to mobilise the military and what that would mean for the United States. In this interview, Panetta shares his fears about America’s future and exposes the troubles of the first Trump administration.”

Panetta said:-
* Trump did not really take any interest in intelligence briefings. (I'm guessing that's Trump's NPD kicking in - HE wants to be the one that speaks - and cannot admit he needs to learn anything!)
* Without an adequate appreciation of intelligence - does America even have a Commander in Chief?
* His threatening NATO weakens the western world.
* Trump should not be let near a political party - let alone be a Candidate for the White House.
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And we have seen all this come to pass!

Also alarming - Erica Newland served as an attorney at the Department of Justice under Donald Trump.
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I was quite stunned that Trump was returned to office.

JSRG said:

A document so awful that... they have to actually make up stuff about it to attack it.

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Some probably did. But it's not just the document - but the new relationships described both in - and in the creation of - this document.

JSRG said:

Now, I sure haven't read much of the thing; it's obscenely long.

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You're not wrong there! Project 2025 is 920 pages, and even Mein Kampf was only 720 pages long.

JSRG said:

Maybe there's some absolutely horrible stuff in it.

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Watch the 4 Corners and the 2 interviews above. Snopes summarised a few key points I'm concerned about:-

• Changing how the FBI operates. According to the plan, the agency is "completely out of control," and the next conservative administration should restore its reputation by stopping investigations that are supposedly "unlawful or contrary to the national interest." Also, the document calls for legislation that would eliminate term limits for the FBI's director and require that person to answer to the president.

And now there's a "Big Lie Believer" and conspiracy theorist Kash Patel in charge.

• Eliminating the Department of Education. The plan explicitly proposes, "Federal education policy should be limited and, ultimately, the federal Department of Education should be eliminated." The report also calls for bans on so-called "critical race theory" (CRT) and "gender ideology" lessons in public schools, asking for legislation that would require educators who share such material to register as sex offenders and be imprisoned.

One may as well say "Thought crime".

• Reversing Biden-era policies attempting to reduce climate change. The document's authors call for increasing the country's reliance on fossil fuels and withdrawing from efforts to address the climate crisis — such as "offices, programs, and directives designed to advance the Paris Climate Agreement."

This one is less about backsliding on democratic integrity, and more about a policy outcome I really care about. But hey - if America wants to kneecap itself economically - well - that's history now.

• Stopping cybersecurity efforts to combat mis- and disinformation. The document recommends the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency to stop its efforts to curtail online propaganda campaigns, arguing the federal government should not make judgment calls on what's true and what isn't.

Because that kind of thing is inconvenient when Trump wants to push his narcissistic "Big Lie".

• Changing immigration policies. Authors want the federal government to deprioritize DACA (Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals), the program that temporarily delays the deportation of immigrants without documentation who came to the U.S. as children; phase out temporary work-visa programs that allow seasonal employers to hire foreign workers; impose financial punishments on so-called "sanctuary cities" that do not follow federal immigration laws, and divert tax dollars toward security at America's border with Mexico. (While the Biden campaign claims Project 2025 calls for "ripping mothers away from their children" at the border, there's no explicit mention of separating families. Rather, it calls for stronger enforcement of laws governing the detainment of immigrants with criminal records and restricting an existing program that tracks people in deportation proceedings instead of incarcerating them. In some cases, those changes could possibly play a role in border control agents detaining a parent while their child continues with immigration proceedings.)

And by handing it over to private corporations on a profit-per-detainee model - people with minor paper work glitches (NOT illegal immigrants) on friendly business trips from Canada are being detained for up to 2 weeks!

• Reversing protections against discrimination in housing. The Biden campaign emails reference a portion of the document that calls for repealing a decades-old policy—strengthened under Biden—that attempts to prevent discrimination and reduce racial disparities in housing. Project 2025 also recommends making it easier to sell off homes used for public housing — a benefit to real estate developers — but result in fewer cheap housing options for poor and low-income families. The Facts About Project 2025: The Pro-Trump Proposal To 'Reshape America'

But watch the 4 Corners pieces. This was just Snopes.

Aaron112 said:

except for those who do not remain in sin and darkness, even though they willingly and joyously give up their lives and never renounce Jesus nor sin sillily nor value their own lives to save them.

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Everyone remains in sin in this present life.

There was only ONE who walked this earth, sinless. Only One. And even He, decided Himself to die in the flesh, like us. God in fact USED the devils in people to kill Him. They stood up to resist Him, and to kill Him.

They still stand up to RESIST Him. On cue. Look at all the so called believers who promote our neighbors to burn alive forever when God for no uncertain fact COMMANDED us to love them. How is it then that we ALL land in the exact opposite place of His Command???

You have to see past this evil at some point. That's what we're called to do. See ourselves PAST our own internal evil that promotes burning people alive. Can our faith be any sicker? I don't think so.

God always planned for their to be natural people, like Adam, planted in weakness, corruption and dishonor, to be raised In Him at our finale. To be "made" spirits apart from this present captivity of darkness. 1 Cor. 15:42-46

But for the devils in mankind, no, their fate is in fact already set up and they will fail at their end.

TWO are in the same bed.

TWO are in the same field.

TWO are grinding

The wheat and the tare grow from the same ground

All of these are pictures of "us" and our "adversary," the tempter who operates INTERNALLY.

Only ONE is moving on, and it's not the tempter or his own within anyone

Divide here and you'll be glad you FELL

BelieveItOarKnot said:

In order to come out, we recognize we are in fact IN.

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When Jesus approached someone, and said "Follow Me" , those persons might or might not have realized they were "in fact IN" (whatever you mean , no matter).

Be Becoming like a little child/ infant, "My children KNOW MY VOICE and follow ME - they will not follow another voice - rather run from it. "

Few if any in babylon (including babylon churches), "know" they are deceived . They have been told they are okay, all right, no worries, or some such... or "don't make waves".... ?

1 John chptrs 1 - 5 shows for little children how to know that they are in the light, now to know that they know the truth. Simple. Nor read by many. Not understood by most. Only by those Eternal Almighty Reveals to.

Tuur said:

The Mother Earth News used to be a good resource for off-grid or sort-of off-grid and generally what was seen as lower environmental impact living. I don't know if the modern magazine is still like that, but if not, the back-issues, found in many libraries, are a treasure-trove of information from those actually used what they were writing about. They are a good resource if someone wants to move to a low-impact lifestyle.

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KOOL! (Used to read and look up the mother earth news regularly - great stuff (subject to testing) ! )

Strict Discipline is necessary for LIFE ! Meditating daily/ continually on what God Says, instead of easy brainwashing (like tv, media, politics(don't think for yourself), maybe most preachers(don't think for yourself).... )
Test Everything. Everything, everything, and before accepting anything or anyone, prove TRUE.

Aaron112 said:

i.e. they die physically , as martyrs.

Also, many are deceived and because of that are remaining in sin, sick and dying.

Also, churches help too often to deceived - i.e. Jesus says there are many false teachers and many false prophets and to those who become aware of the deception "COME OUT" ....

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In order to come out, we recognize we are in fact IN.

We are "in" the world. We are "in" Babylon, the great.

Where the "harlot" sits is in people. Not just some. ALL.

Anyone who claims otherwise is merely under deception, trying vainly to justify or ignore the evil present within them.

Everyone who reads of the profitable servant compared to the unprofitable servant always and only thinks of themselves as the profitable servant, and NEVER the unprofitable servant. WHY is that, do you think?

Unqualified said:

seems to me the slugs are rifled. I like skeet haven’t shot it forever.

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Skeet was my sport, but very limited in availability right now. Here in my county, there is no "rifle" season for deer; one week shotgun and black powder season and 2 month bow season. Rifled slugs and buck=shot are the norm, but some have barrels on their pump and semi shot guns that are rifled and use smooth slugs. Both shoot pretty good out to 100 yards, but 50-75 yards is more realistic though and 40 yards for buckshot.

peter2 said:

What kind of energy does God want people to use so as to feed, clothe, or build themselves a roof where to live underneath ?

Would Jesus today choose to stay a carpenter, only using his own muscles of arms and own neurones of brain ?
Or would he choose easy options with petrol, electricity, etc.., even if polluting ?

Let's remind he resisted temptation (of easy option) to make stone become bread, even if probably not polluting

Jesus likely didn't look either for his disciples' affection through the gift of fossil fuel energy, the breakthrough of an oil deposit. Neither did he teach petrol extraction. If he did, it seems it's was not valuable enough to be written in the Gospel

Do you think, please, i go astray thinking quest for petrol, or any polluting energy, is a wordly quest that bears false testimony as regards christianism ?

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Taken at face value, the assumption then is doing anything "easy" is a sin when you can do it the "hard" way. That includes wedges, levers, and pulleys, and wheels. Why use an easy wheel when you can drag a sledge?

The real point is the question about pollution, not easy or hard. Animal waste in cities was such a problem that horseless carriages were seen as a less polluting option. Burning oil causes pollution, but so does burning stuff to cook, clean, and heat things. The uncomfortable thing is that pretty much all we do, "easy" or "hard," is going to cause some kind of pollution. Just because we don't see the results of mining rare earths and other minerals for more efficient devices and batteries doesn't mean that these are pollution-free.

That doesn't mean that some might not find all this troubling, or that I'm making light of your concern. Without insult, The Mother Earth News used to be a good resource for off-grid or sort-of off-grid and generally what was seen as lower environmental impact living. I don't know if the modern magazine is still like that, but if not, the back-issues, found in many libraries, are a treasure-trove of information from those actually used what they were writing about. They are a good resource if someone wants to move to a low-impact lifestyle. And no, that's not an insult.

Good acts or legal obedience never made a single person sinless, ever

The notions that we overcome sin, by whatever methodology and therefore are sinless does not exist.

We are not one wit different than Paul, here:

Romans 7:
17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.

Sin indwelling us does have a life of its own so to speak, or better said, a death of its own, regardless of what good we do.

And no wonder, because sin is in fact "of the devil." Everyone who tries to justify the entirety of themselves under any guise is merely trying to justify evil and the tempter or his own within them as well, or ignore it, or claim in blinded hypocrisy that it doesn't exist within them, when we all should honestly know that we are constantly under attack, knowingly or unknowingly. And that evil thoughts defile us all, just as Jesus showed us in Mark 7:21-23. <---This doesn't stop via the exercise of will power, or claimed legal obedience or good acts.

Everything mankind does transpires in the cesspool of this present darkness

And there are so few that are even able to "tell the TRUTH" about it. No, we'd rather act our way past the graveyard. To be "inspired by faith" to LIE.

We can be lights, but those lights are in fact shining in the dark. There is no such thing as one or the other

Everyone who reads that there is good fruit and bad, always thinks they are only the good and never the bad, and nothing can be further from the truth. Both sides apply

PatrickTate said:

I read what a near death experiencer had been shown

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Not worth trusting nor believing = just what you quoted in the same post from the deceiver shows it was not something experienced nor shown nor revealed by God.

BelieveItOarKnot said:

We all have been defeated by sin, period. So badly that we can't even "tell the truth" about it. And in place of being truthful, we get lies and hypocrisy. False self justifications.

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except for those who do not remain in sin and darkness, even though they willingly and joyously give up their lives and never renounce Jesus nor sin sillily nor value their own lives to save them.

BelieveItOarKnot said:

Revelation 13:7
And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

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i.e. they die physically , as martyrs.

Also, many are deceived and because of that are remaining in sin, sick and dying.

Also, churches help too often to deceived - i.e. Jesus says there are many false teachers and many false prophets and to those who become aware of the deception "COME OUT" ....

Carl Emerson said:

Of course - I would not have expected anything different.

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Zionist Christians need to wake up and see what Israel is doing to the Christians in Palestine; they have earlier this week, told them to leave. There is no place for Christians in Israel's Zion, just as there is no place for those who do not accept Christ in God's "New Jerusalem". Sorry if this is offensive, but someone had to say it.

Strong in Him said:

Where did Jesus say that?

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The disciples who thought Jesus said that left Jesus.

BelieveItOarKnot said:

Brilliant deduction.

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No.
It is/was simple an Observation of Truth-Scripture.
Not at all a deduction.
Brilliant? Nope.
Wise, simple truth.

In Matthew 17, Jesus says "Then the sons are exempt"

Aaron112 said:

Repentance does not remove sin(s).

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Brilliant deduction. Neither do right or moral decisions or acts remove sin. Dominate? Yes. Cover? Yes. But eliminate? NOPE

Strong in Him said:

Where did Jesus say that?

Before he died, Jesus shared a final Passover meal with his friends. Friends who were going to deny, betray and desert him - people who didn't understand that he had to die and weren't expecting the resurrection.
Even so, he shared a meal with them, broke bread and said "do this in memory of me".

How did that become, "you can only do this if an ordained minister in the Apostolic succession is leading, and all recipients must believe certain things, or it's not valid"?

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As Scripture says, they failed to discern the body and blood of Christ, therefore, there is no communion. It is that simple.

219. In people’s hearts





Let’s ask the Father, by the name of Jesus, to help us find trust, that the Father will rejoice to see us follow Jesus for the good of souls. As Therese of Lisieux, who never went out after entering the cloister, may we believe that God works in our hearts, even if we think we have empty hands.



One night, the Lord tells Paul in a vision: “Do not be afraid. Go on speaking, and do not be silent, for I am with you.”

When we come closer to the Lord, we develop the confidence to evangelize with the testimonies of faith that we give and the acts we do.

With Jesus, our mission is growing and becoming more secure. Let’s pray, meditate on the Word with a regular presence at Mass, and we’ll continually enter into a relationship with Jesus.



We can observe more and more the Lord acting in the hearts and lives of the people around us. Also, by becoming more patient with ourselves, we’ll become more patient in front of the faults of others. Believing more in Jesus leads us on the path with him.



It’s not always simple or easy, especially when we’re distracted, but we know that making Jesus known is possible. Jesus tells us:

“Amen, amen, I say to you, you will weep and mourn, while the world rejoices; you will grieve, but your grief will become joy.” John, chapter 16, verse 20



Sometimes we’ll cry in the desert like John the Baptist, and we’ll have the impression that no one will listen, but the Holy Spirit is active in the world. We only have to watch him act in people’s lives and hearts.

Let’s read again:

You are now in anguish. But I will see you again, and your hearts will rejoice, and no one will take your joy away from you. John, chapter 16, verse 22



The joy of God is so deep and intense that no one can rob it. Joy is in God and of God.

The sole purpose of the mission is to enter the heart of God and to be Loved. May the kingdom of God be established in our hearts. Then, let’s continue to ask Jesus to guide us day by day and help us to embark in the touching and inspiring adventure of faith and evangelization. Let’s accept to be joyous and daring, filled with hope, since we can see that the Holy Spirit continues his work in the world.



The new American Bible, 2011-2014

Book: Let’s evangelize, Normand Thomas

Aaron112 said:

Don't you mean no exceptions ?

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That works as well.

There are no exemptions or exceptions to the rule. ALL have sin and sin is and remains "of the devil," Romans 3:9, 1 John 3:8, Mark 4:15, Mark 7:21-23

Hentenza said:

Only those with faith in our Lord snd SAVIOR are saved. After all, if all are saved then Jesus didn’t have to die on the cross.

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Never said "all" are saved.

All people are saved by the Savior of the world who actually gets the job done. Some of us see in this present life, but ALL people will see, once divided away from this present imposed blindness of SATAN. Acts 26:18

The "whole world" is under captivity. We just see the difference between ourselves and our former blinder: 2 Cor. 4:4, Eph. 2:2

That however didn't eliminate the tempter from the equations.

And all devils are damned and will end up in the LoF at the finale. Hooray.

In the meantime though the devils in believers try to "justify and hide" themselves in the equations. Don't they?

None of us will stand justified in the flesh, period. Before or after salvation.

We all have been defeated by sin, period. So badly that we can't even "tell the truth" about it. And in place of being truthful, we get lies and hypocrisy. False self justifications.

Revelation 13:7
And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

In order to be a victor in God's World, we must in fact FALL in battle.

ozso said:

The serious problem though in that regarding unity is the gatekeeping. That only Christians of that particulier sect are allowed to partake. Despite the form of unity you describe between the four ancient churches, the Roman Catholic Church forbids anyone who's not a Roman Catholic to partake in their Eucharist and the same goes for the Orthodox Church regarding Roman Catholics or any other non-Orthodox Christian from partaking in their Eucharist.

It's highly doubtful that was the design that Christ had in mind. More likely His design was for all Christians to partake in the Eucharist. Rather than all the gatekeeping, and the declaration from different sects that only the Eucharist they provide is valid. It's highly doubtful Christ acknowledges any of all those individual "us only" claims.

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Except that our Lord and the the Apostles caution us that eating and drinking His body and blood un an unworthy manner can be both spiritually and physically harmful. So this is why these Churches and the Confessional Lutherans attach so much importance to "gatekeeping" as you call it. We can not see inside the hearts of those who approach our altars, but we at least know those who have been instructed, and should have at least a basic understanding.

If you want to commune with us, we provide "free" instruction. If you find yourself in agreement with our teachings regarding this, and the other doctrines of the Church, you may be confirmed and join us in the fullness of the Bibles teaching. If you find you do not or can not agree with us, then, why would you want to commune with us?

BelieveItOarKnot said:

I also do not believe repentance makes anyone sinless. You?

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Repentance does not remove sin(s).

BelieveItOarKnot said:

There are no exemptions given to the above

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Don't you mean no exceptions ?
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Those who are abiding in Jesus, living and walking in the Light, who are lights in the world, often may be deceived (usually by their own church), but not necessarily always. Woe to everyone who causes them to stumble though.