About Jesus being the only way?

[com7fy8]

Just heard this argument, and listened to this argument again, and I will say that I think all roads lead to judgement, so if your thinking that they all lead to God, then you might be correct, but maybe just not the way you think maybe.

Well, if "the day of judgment" is held before Jesus in Heaven, I guess everyone will go to Heaven . . . in order to be judged. But will they all stay there?

Satan has been in Heaven, but he did not stay there!! Pride had a lot to do with why Satan could not stay in Heaven.

So - - how each person is becoming is important. However we have been becoming in this life is how we will be resurrected to so much more. You reap so much more than you have been sowing, and how you are reaped in the resurrection will be so much more intense. There are people who have become more and more nasty, while others have become more and more humble and all-loving. And how we are, by the time we die, is how we will be reaped so much more > according to what I get through Galatians 6:7-8 >

"Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap. For he who sows to his flesh will of the flesh reap corruption, but he who sows to the Spirit will of the Spirit reap everlasting life." (Galatians 6:7-8)

And yes . . . of course, then . . . at judgment God will evaluate how we are ***in our character***. If we have become conformed to the image of Jesus, we will be compatible with Jesus as our Groom so we can spend eternity with Him. And it is written >

"Love has been perfected among us in this: that we may have boldness in the day of judgment; because as He is, so are we in this world." (1 John 4:17)

What I get is that by becoming perfected in God's love, this conforms us to the image of Jesus. And this makes us ready so we have "boldness in the day of judgment". Even now, in this world > because of how God is perfecting us in His love > "as He is, so are we in this world." So, yes we can have Biblical assurance that we are saved and ready for Jesus.

But >

You can be fairly confident that you might make it in, but if there is truly not even one shred of doubt, then it is sin,

My opinion is that because we are not 100% like Jesus, we can not now be 100% sure . . . because we still are not "100%" perfect. However - - - because God is proving Himself in us, by growing us to be like Jesus and to love like Jesus, this gives us assurance that He really is preparing us to spend eternity with Jesus. We grow in this, and so we grow in our assurance.

And I note how John says "we" and "us" > we have this assurance while sharing with God in His own love . . . as His family. So, sharing as His family helps us in our assurance that we are preparing to be with God as His family for eternity. So, assurance is not going to come very well while anyone is mainly concerned only about one's own self being saved. Because God is all-loving and His love has us not only isolated in caring about our own selves, but this all-loving love has us caring about others as ourselves, and this in family intimacy and affection. We minister this perfection in Christ and His maturing assurance to one another.

 

[Neogaia777]

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There is no judgement for a born again child of God.




This is nothing but a man created church talk and has no Biblical support. God does not need to judge a born again child of God to see if they are a true believer. God knows at the very moment a person believes in Jesus for Eternal Life.
At that very moment of belief, God gives the person The Life of God, there is no waiting for a judgment.

“Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.

Without being present when every man/person and everything is judged, we don't get to learn about God's true justice, or how God knows/judges/discerns true good from true evil, and that is the one and only reason for it really, it's all for us and not at all for him, etc, and it is not at all to be feared for the real christian. I'm sorry that you all fear it so much/bad, etc. It's one of the only ways that God can teach us true good, from true bad, I'm sorry you all fear it so bad. It's a part of our education that needs to happen before we can enter heaven, etc.

Even if you yourself are not judged because of Jesus, you still need to be there and be present when everything and everyone else is, etc. This is why I say that when all of us die, we will all arrive, and we will all be standing together at the judgement, but just as a vital part of our education before we can enter heaven, etc. That will be the only reason it's even taking place, or is even happening that way. It's not at all for God, but is only for us, etc. And it's not at all to be feared for the believer, etc.

Or are you going to disagree with the Bible now?

2 Corinthians 5:10- "For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive the things done in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad."

The only difference for the believer, is that he/she receives mercy for the bad.

God Bless.

And here are some more Bible verses for you, in case you want some additional reading.

1 Corinthians 4:5

Luke 12:2

Hebrews 4:13

This will be the purpose of the judgement, and for standing before the judgement, is so we can all know true good and bad, or the (hidden) secrets of all hearts (including our own) before entering heaven, etc.

It's not for God, but is for us (God doesn't need to know what he already knows, or already has full knowledge of already, and already has since time began, etc) but it is for us, so we will all finally know the very, very difficult and very confusing subject of both good and bad, etc. That we already tried to know on our own fully, but proved to be an utter disaster for us, and ultimately destroyed us really, etc.

God Bless.

 

[Neogaia777]

What sin - the sin of believing what he says in the Bible and through his Son?
Whoever accepts Jesus' words is like a wise man who built his house on the rock.

I AM a believer and child of God. I don't say it; he does.
I don't SAY I have faith in Jesus Christ; I do.

That IS salvation - to believe in Jesus Christ and the One who sent him.

You don't know about my salvation, no.
Sadly, you don't even seem to know about your own.

I'm not basing it on my judgments but on what God has said.
Like I say, I'm sad that you don't believe him.

And you seem to think you have no sin, and there is no fear of God in your eyes, and probably very little humility either.

1 John 1:8

Proverbs 9:10

James 4:6

God Bless.

 

[Neogaia777]

I am (more than likely) saved, and know the truth, but I don't know about the rest of you right now currently, etc.

God Bless.

 

[Neogaia777]

@com7fy8

I appreciate your words, and thank you for them.

Thanks again!

God Bless.

 

[Strong in Him]

And you seem to think you have no sin,

I didn't say I was without sin.
I just don't accept that my trust in God and belief that I have eternal life and am saved, is a sin.

and there is no fear of God in your eyes,

You can't see my eyes.

and probably very little humility either.

Nonsense.
If I was saying, "I am saved by my own efforts; I have done enough good deeds to persuade God to let me into heaven ....." that would be pride - and folly.

How is saying, "Jesus has saved me, it's all about him and what he has done", pride?

 

[Strong in Him]

I am (more than likely) saved, and know the truth, but I don't know about the rest of you right now currently, etc.

The fact that you don't seem to know if I am saved means nothing - except that YOU don't know if I am saved.
I know, as does the Lord.

 

[Neogaia777]

I didn't say I was without sin.
I just don't accept that my trust in God and belief that I have eternal life and am saved, is a sin.

You can't see my eyes.

Nonsense.
If I was saying, "I am saved by my own efforts; I have done enough good deeds to persuade God to let me into heaven ....." that would be pride - and folly.

How is saying, "Jesus has saved me, it's all about him and what he has done", pride?

I don't wish to argue with you further, and so if you think you can have absolute 100% full confidence that you are saved or spared no matter what, and won't have to face any kind of judgement, then who am I to judge I guess, ok. I guess I just don't live in those kind of 100% absolute certainties I guess, ok. But I am pretty certain though however, etc. But I guess I just don't like 100% absolutes I guess, etc.

Anyway, good luck to you, ok.

God Bless.

 

[Neogaia777]

The fact that you don't seem to know if I am saved means nothing - except that YOU don't know if I am saved.
I know, as does the Lord.

I just doubt any or all 100% absolutes.

But, I do very much wish good luck to you, ok. See you at the judgement seat of Christ, ok. Judge nothing (not even your own self) before it's time, etc. Anyway, good luck to you, ok.

God Bless.

 

[Strong in Him]

I just doubt any or all 100% absolutes.

Even when God says it?

But, I do very much wish good luck to you, ok.

Thank you for your good wishes.
I am sad to think that you think I need "luck". I don't.

 

[Strong in Him]

I don't wish to argue with you further,

I don't see this as an argument but a discussion.
I still think it's sad that you are almost, but maybe not 100% sure that you are saved.
I refute the suggestion that having confidence in God and his word, is a sin.

 

[Neogaia777]

Even when God says it?

Thank you for your good wishes.
I am sad to think that you think I need "luck". I don't.

Luck is just another word for God's favor.

But, yes, I do think it's a little bit arrogant to not allow for the possibility, no matter how small, or remote, of Jesus/God maybe saying he never knew you maybe, etc.

But then again, my opinion probably doesn't matter maybe, etc.

So, God's favor to you, ok.

God Bless.

 

[Neogaia777]

I don't see this as an argument but a discussion.
I still think it's sad that you are almost, but maybe not 100% sure that you are saved.
I refute the suggestion that having confidence in God and his word, is a sin.

For someone in my position, or in my shoes (but maybe not yours, etc) I think it could be a little bit arrogant of someone like me maybe, etc. But I still do always cling to hope though in my specific case, etc.

God Bless.

 

[Aaron112]

Luck is just another word for God's favor.

Not in the world we live in it isn't. In Scripture God Himself says He Hates It when His people call on lady luck.

 

[Neogaia777]

Not in the world we live in it isn't. In Scripture God Himself says He Hates It when His people call on lady luck.

Individual people define words, not the world. And for me, saying "good luck" is just another word for God's favor, etc. Because I don't believe in luck, etc.

God Bless.

 

[Strong in Him]

Luck is just another word for God's favor.

No, it isn't. It's another word for "chance".
"With luck, you will get the right questions on the exam paper", "with any luck it won't rain", "if you're lucky ..........."
The God who knows all things is in charge - "luck" or "chance" don't come into it.

But, yes, I do think it's a little bit arrogant to not allow for the possibility, no matter how small, or remote, of Jesus/God maybe saying he never knew you maybe, etc.

He can't go against his own word or his own character.
So no, it's not arrogance; it's a matter of knowing, and trusting, in him.

But then again, my opinion probably doesn't matter maybe, etc.

Your opinion matters as much as anyone else's
But God has said these things, and revealed his will, so that we might KNOW.

God bless

 

[Strong in Him]

Individual people define words, not the world.

There may be variation in regional words/phrases. But if there was no consensus about the meaning of words, we wouldn't be able to communicate.
For example, certain words, phrases etc are not allowed on this forum. And I don't think it would cut any ice if someone used a swear, or racist, word and then said "oh, to me, that means many blessings."

 

[Neogaia777]

@Strong in Him

I don't believe in chance or other possibilities either, etc.

Bottom line is, you people don't know me, or the things I believe, or have done, and while I still think they are 100% right, and are 100% true, and are the "only possibility", etc, I also think that there is still the possibility/chance that they could cost me, etc, and I think it would be egotistical or arrogant of someone like me to not allow for that possibility, etc. But maybe not the rest of you though, etc.

God Bless.

 

[Neogaia777]

There may be variation in regional words/phrases. But if there was no consensus about the meaning of words, we wouldn't be able to communicate.
For example, certain words, phrases etc are not allowed on this forum. And I don't think it would cut any ice if someone used a swear, or racist, word and then said "oh, to me, that means many blessings."

I only said or used the word "luck" only because that seems to be a lot more common to other people, and thought people might misunderstand if I tried to use some different words, etc. For all intents and purposes it is "luck", but it is also God's favor, etc.

But, we're getting off-topic here, so let's try to get back on topic if that's ok, ok.

God Bless.

 

[David Lamb]

@Strong in Him

You can be fairly confident that you might make it in, but if there is truly not even one shred of doubt, then it is sin, because, for one, you're not yielding your own individual judgement to God, and then, for another, it's like you are somehow telling God that he has to let you in, because he's maybe evil or something if he doesn't, because you have evaluated/judged yourself and found yourself somehow completely worthy, and if he somehow doesn't agree with your own evaluation or judgement of yourself, then he's somehow evil, or wicked, or not at all just at all if he doesn't let you in, etc.

God also cannot let all sin slide also, etc.

God Bless.

According to God's word, we can know whether we are saved:

“the eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that you may know what is the hope of His calling, what are the riches of the glory of His inheritance in the saints,” (Eph 1:18 NKJV)

“These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life, and that you may continue to believe in the name of the Son of God.” (1Jo 5:13 NKJV)