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Trump Orders Flags to Half-Staff for Charlie Kirk

But the person I replied to suggested MAGA is a group, but not a protected group. I think they are protected by the Bill of Rights.
Bill of Rights covers individuals within the US regardless of citizenship, and in areas governed by our government, not groups.
Kirk was not a politician. We're talking about printing for the memorializing of a murder victim.
So then his death wasn’t an assassination?
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A third of pastors who leave ministry cite burnout, conflict with church: Study

Look around you. Do you see how christian’s behave in this medium. What makes you think they’re different in a church? Look at the arguments and debates. How many conversations are conducted amicably when difficult issues are raised? There’s a lot of contention in this space and I’d expect a similar response elsewhere and the data proves it.

We’re going to see an increase in online ministry. Why should they put up with all of that foolishness when they can turn on a camera and share their heart without the drama and demands with better pay and a schedule to boot. And they’re growing by the day.

Whether it’s the speaking circuit, the internet or a combination of the two. We’ve entered a different time and the pulpit isn’t their only option. You’ll find yourselves competing for shepherds instead of driving them away. Appreciate the ones in your midst.

~bella
I'm just saying pastors are not always the good guys. I've seen many a corrupt pastor, both on staff with me and as a member of the church. Sometimes the congregation needs to man and woman up to defend the Bible or the bylaws so that a rogue pastor is held accountable. Sometimes that takes forceful action and tone, which too many people would rather run away from. When good people do nothing evil wins the day. Yes, many pastors quit and get burnt out, but that doesn't excuse them from their call. We don't get to quit until God uncalls us. I think too many uncalled or unqualified people are in the ministry.
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Does God want men to choose easy options ?

Actually, my own experience of "purity" doesn't match with what your exorcist said:

This is why i spoke with this metaphor of the piece of wood on the seashore, like a hope for no longer being pulled back toward the ocean (the sinning).

Indeed, when i succeed in making myself purer, i have to face more agressive temptations
I don`t think the evil gives up that easily. Think about the apostles. Even Jesus. temptation and attacks all the time. Think about it, those who are living like they want, usually, the evil leaves them alone, as he has them where he wants them. And why would Jesus warn about evils attempts and temptations, if it was not a fact even no matter what. Denyting of spiritual warfare does not make it go away, it just leaves one unprepared for it. Eph 6:12
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Christians - May I have your attention for a moment?

From my observation, signs and wonders often lends itself to expressions of ego and a need to be heard and followed. That’s what I’ve witnessed thus far and why I’m careful.
Yes, it is possible for me to try to get attention, by using some thing which gets attention.

Money is something that can be used to get approval and power and attention.

The disciples tried to use Jesus to make them great.

So, we need to know how to use signs, if there are any, and how to use money, and how to relate with Jesus so we aren't trying to use Him as our authority and influence to get what we want.
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A rural Nebraska clinic blames its closing on Trump’s Medicaid cuts. Patients don’t buy it. "Horse Feathers"

The rural health 'Hunger Games' are underway

The Trump administration on Monday kicked off a scramble among the 50 states for a slice of a new $50 billion fund for rural health care, but experts on the ground fear the program’s rushed timeline, lack of guardrails and potential for politicization will leave some hospitals struggling to stay open.

States have just a few weeks to submit detailed applications for the fund, which Congress created late in its negotiations over a bill this summer that made deep cuts to Medicaid and other health programs. Federal health officials will then have a couple months to review them and dispense the money.

After the application window closes in early November, half of the fund will be dispensed at the discretion of Oz, while the other half will be divided equally among states that apply — meaning Wyoming would get the same amount as California despite their massive population difference. How much states get will also depend on whether they implement policies pushed by the Trump administration

States will have no ability to appeal if their applications are rejected or they receive less money than they requested. Oz also said the federal government can “claw back” funding from states that “don’t perform” and redistribute it, saying: “This is not punitive. This is a very clever decision by the crafters of the law.”

Even if all the money goes to where it’s needed most, many experts are concerned that it will not make up for the massive hit rural providers are expected to take from the other provisions of the bill, including the reduction of hundreds of billions of dollars in Medicaid.
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Trump says suspect in custody in killing of Charlie Kirk

At this point, I really dont think there is anything more to say about the shooter. Perhaps other than everything the liberal media experts said about him was a lie and everything these simple conservatives on a forum said turned out to be true.

Yes, let's not discuss the messy reality and stick to a narrative.
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Is Wikipedia a 'reliable source' for Martin Luther?

Thank you for the interest!

I'm not an expert on the man and life of Luther, and I've admittedly only skimmed through the article, but it seems good to me. Maybe some question marks around the doctrine of soul sleep and his later writings.

I can also recommend the overview as found in the Christian Cyclopaedia published by the Lutheran Church—Missouri Synod (LCMS):

Hope that helps!

God bless!
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Trump federalizing DC police, deploying National Guard in capital crime crackdown

Trump calls for RICO charges after protesters shouted at him in DC restaurant: 'She started screaming!'

Trump was asked during a news conference in the Oval Office about an incident that occurred last week, where protesters shouted at him and members of his cabinet while they dined at a local Washington, D.C. restaurant.

During the news conference, Trump said he's asked Attorney General Pam Bondi to "look into" charging protesters and agitators under federal racketeering statutes.

"She was a paid agitator, and you have a lot of them, and I've asked Pam [Bondi] to look into that in terms of bringing RICO cases against them. Criminal RICO."

"They should be put in jail," Trump said. "What they're doing to this country is really subversive."

What?
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Eric Trump on Charlie Kirk’s Legacy and the Radical Left – “This Could Have Been the Greatest Mistake These People Have Ever Made” (VIDEO)

"I'm curious. What gun regulation do you think would have prevented the Kirk school shooting?"

Sure. Substitute any shooting you want. What regulation do you think would prevent them?

You can still own guns, you still have that right, but it's for more regimented.

That's awfully vague. "Regimented" how?
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Trump suggests he’ll release Jeffrey Epstein ‘client list’ if elected: ‘I’d have no problem with it’

Kash Patel unloads all blame for botched Epstein probe onto ex-Trump official

“I know that there's a lot of talk about Epstein, and I'm here to testify that the original sin in the Epstein case was the way it was initially brought by Mr. [Alexander] Acosta back in 2006,” Patel said, testifying before the Senate Judiciary Committee.
The same Alexander Acosta that Trump rewarded with a cabinet position? That Alexander Acosta? Maybe it was a wise move; Acosta's sweetheart deal for Epstein meant a lot of things wouldn't become public.
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Eric Trump on Charlie Kirk’s Legacy and the Radical Left – “This Could Have Been the Greatest Mistake These People Have Ever Made” (VIDEO)

Here's a collection of photos of school shooters:
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The bad news is that the Supreme Court says that police can now racially-profile for certain law enforcement purposes.


Today's winner.
Not all pictured are “school shooters”.
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The Trump DOJ goes "woke" and will target free speech.

Go back and read what she said.
You are accusing conservatives of being hypocrites on free speech. I am telling you that terroristic threats of violence is not in that category of free speech. There are laws on that and the vast majority of conservatives agree. That is why you get arrested for making fake bomb threats. Have you ever heard of any conservative lawmaker complaining about first amendment rights violations because some prankster was arrested for a fake bomb threat? People get arrested for writing death threat notes to both republican and democrat legislators without a single peep from anyone about free speech violations. Leftists are only shrilling because they have been getting away with it for years and have been emboldened due to lack of accountability and consequences. As a result, Charlie Kirk was killed.
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Trump federalizing DC police, deploying National Guard in capital crime crackdown

Trump calls for RICO charges after protesters shouted at him in DC restaurant: 'She started screaming!'

Trump was asked during a news conference in the Oval Office about an incident that occurred last week, where protesters shouted at him and members of his cabinet while they dined at a local Washington, D.C. restaurant.

During the news conference, Trump said he's asked Attorney General Pam Bondi to "look into" charging protesters and agitators under federal racketeering statutes.

"She was a paid agitator, and you have a lot of them, and I've asked Pam [Bondi] to look into that in terms of bringing RICO cases against them. Criminal RICO."

"They should be put in jail," Trump said. "What they're doing to this country is really subversive."
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Trump Orders Flags to Half-Staff for Charlie Kirk

Go look up what “protected class” means.

Not as a group. Bill of rights are individual rights.
The citizenry of the United States are not a protected group under the Constitution?
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Historical ICE raid in Georgia

It might be something like, "Sure we were only looking for these four individuals, but these other guys look foreign and didn't speak English sufficiently well, so..."
Over 400 agents participated in this massive event, and over 400 illegal workers were identified and detained.

Over 400 illegal workers were identified and detained. This was not a "we were looking for 4, so we arrested everyone who looked like them." THERE WAS OVER 400 IDENTIFIED ILLEGAL WORKERS! Trying to dismiss or downplay the sheer number of illegal workers is intellectually dishonest to the conversation.
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Trump says suspect in custody in killing of Charlie Kirk

Diversity is their strength!

And yes Kanye can be described as sketchy. He should be laying low and working out his stuff in private. Not bringing his Jew hate and Jew hating friends to the US presidents table.
You can tell people what they can do with their hate? Do I get to do that too?

(Seriously, I know less about Kanye than I do about trigonometry.)
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