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RocksInMyHead · Sep 17, 2025

Aldebaran said:
People are still trying to convince us that Robinson was also a conservative just because his family is.

Okay, then go argue with those people about it. I'm not one of them.

Aldebaran said:
But people are individuals, and the life choices of this guy indicates that he is certainly not conservative.

I wouldn't say that either. He might not be as conservative as his parents, or hold different beliefs on certain issues, but being not-straight and hating the anti-trans rhetoric put out by a commentator who happens to be conservative does not mean that you can't be a conservative yourself.

I understand the urge to be able to put Robinson into a clearly-defined box so that you have a group that you can blame for this. But life is rarely that simple, and trying to force it (in either direction) doesn't help the conversation.

durangodawood · Sep 17, 2025

Aldebaran said:
Make it count here.
Reveal what he said that truly disturbed you.

It doesnt work. I look at that adorable family imagery and I completely forget what the problem was.

essentialsaltes · Sep 17, 2025

Trump's Air Force One Has Close Encounter With Spirit Jet: 'Pay Attention!'

Air traffic controllers repeatedly ordered the pilots of Spirit Airlines flight 1300 to turn away from Air Force One Tuesday over Long Island, New York as Air Force One was carrying President Donald Trump, first lady Melania Trump and others to the U.K. for the state visit, CBS News reported.

"Spirit 1300 turn 20 degrees right," an air traffic controller radioed to the pilots, CBS News reported, citing recordings from liveatc.net. of the flight from Fort Lauderdale to Boston. Controllers said, according to CBS, "Pay attention. Get off the iPad."

When the Spirit pilots acknowledged the transmission, the air traffic controller replied: "Pay attention. Spirit 1300 traffic off your left wing by six mi--- or eight miles, 747. I'm sure you can see who it is. Keep an eye out for him—he's white and blue."

Preliminary flight data from Flightradar24 showed that the Spirit Airbus A321 and Air Force One were flying parallel to each other eight miles apart, and were 11 miles apart when they were on the closest path where they could converge.

Delvianna · Sep 17, 2025

bèlla said:
I have never warned anyone about a specific person or teaching and it’s unlikely I will. Some lessons must be experienced firsthand. Others require the soil to be primed and that’s the Holy Spirit’s domain. And the last is borne from experience. You can only influence someone to the degree they permit and you’ll never exceed their threshold. If they don’t value your input they’ll never listen. That’s human nature.

Christians are quick to rush in without ever considering if its the right time or messenger. That’s why I ask if it’s a word from the Lord because I know it isn’t and I know when I’m in the presence of someone with a word of knowledge for me and those are the discussions I pursue when advice is shared.

What ensnares one person may have no effect on someone else. We’re susceptible in some areas and less so in others.

~bella

I dont agree because preventing someone from stumbling is better than letting them stumble. But I see we will have to agree to disagree. Blessings ❤

RileyG · Sep 17, 2025

Michie said:
This explains more of her religious background, etc.

Jamie Lee Curtis sobs over Charlie Kirk and compares him to JESUS

Outspoken liberal actress Jamie Lee Curtis broke down in tears as she mourned Charlie Kirk despite raging against conservatives in the past.

www.dailymail.co.uk

AA ran by the Presbyterian Church? I think that was a typo.

Her father lived quite a long life despite being an addict.

durangodawood · Sep 17, 2025

Aldebaran said:
Scrutinize away! I've seen celebrations of his death, but not much scrutinizing of Kirk himself. Seems like there's not much about him that we can fault him for. If there was, it would have come out by now.

Ive heard some things he said that are truly disturbing. But none of that counts because he has a cute family.

RocksInMyHead · Sep 17, 2025

Aldebaran said:
Certainly not conservative.

Did I say he was? I think I've been pretty consistent in saying that his politics aren't clearly left or right.

Aldebaran said:
How many conservatives do you know who live the LGBT lifestyle and gun down conservatives who speak out against mutilating the genitals of young children?

Plenty of gay conservatives, and the two people who tried to assassinate Trump were both conservative, so I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. I can't say I know any liberals who meet that very narrow definition either.

MotoToTheMax · Sep 17, 2025

durangodawood said:
If you have a cute family you can just say anything and youre completely immune from scrutiny.

I honestly can't tell if its a post intentionally being disingenuous, or just absurdly obtuse about the criticism levied at Kirk. Its baffling.

rambot · Sep 17, 2025

mindlight said:
The problem is not the guns nor the violence, but rather the steady erosion of the Christian culture that used to underpin the discussion. The partisan unreasonableness of both sides in American tribal warfare today is a case in point. You have lost your common ground.

That Christian culture empowered, praised and exacerbated the following:

[I opted NOT to show a picture of lynchings but] Lynchings

To say nothing of the political "interventions" in south America.

And ALLOWED:

To happen again and again and again and again and again and again.

Personally I would argue the left (and I use this phrasing with a heavy dose of imprescision for BOTH groups), 'Drifted" away from christianity in the 60ish while the Republicans started to do so in the 70s and 80s under Reagan.

To be clear, I don't mean ALL of the left or ALL of the right....

durangodawood · Sep 17, 2025

If you have a cute family you can just say anything and youre completely immune from scrutiny.

Aryeh Jay · Sep 17, 2025

DaisyDay said:
Not according to Utah State law. If you don't like it, take it up with them.

Which US assassin was executed in the last century? We've had more than a couple back in the sixties. Even Charlie Manson died of old age.

Manson didn't physically kill anyone.

Aryeh Jay · Sep 17, 2025

Personally I don't have time to worry about frivolous things like the economy when I'm busy tracking down people who say bad things.

Aryeh Jay · Sep 17, 2025

DaisyDay said:
Biden didn't run in 2016, Clinton did. She won the popular vote while Trump won the Electoral College. Maybe you're thinking of 2020?

You are mistaken. History is fluid and the past is whatever we say/want it to be.

RocksInMyHead · Sep 17, 2025

Aldebaran said:
Whenever I see him with his family, I'm offended too. I mean, who wouldn't be offended at seeing this? Just horrible!View attachment 370185

RileyG · Sep 17, 2025

Good!

RileyG · Sep 17, 2025

Michie said:
Actress Jamie Lee Curtis was driven to tears this week while talking about Charlie Kirk's death, noting she disagreed with him but hopes he found comfort in his faith as he died.

"I mean, I disagreed with him on almost every point I ever heard him say. But I believe he was a man of faith, and I hope in that moment when he died, that he felt connected to his faith," Curtis said on the "[bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] With Marc Maron" podcast Monday.

“Even though I find what his ideas were abhorrent to me, I still believe he's a father and a husband and a man of faith, and I hope whatever 'connection to God' means, that he felt it," she added.

Continued below.

Jamie Lee Curtis cries over Kirk death, hopes he felt 'connection to God'

Actress Jamie Lee Curtis was driven to tears this week while talking about Charlie Kirk s death, noting she disagreed with him but hopes he found comfort in his faith as he died

www.christianpost.com

I didn’t know she believed in God.

RileyG · Sep 17, 2025

Michie said:
She has a son that claims to be a woman. So I assume that is where the disagreement was.

I don’t think she is even a religious person. I think her mother was Protestant and her father was culturally Jewish.

RileyG · Sep 17, 2025

Yikes!

Indentured Servant · Sep 17, 2025

NewLifeInChristJesus said:
I think we see that the basic concept of the word in regard to words, doctrine, and faith is that "sound" means "free from error". This is very similar to how the word is used in regard to physical health in that "healthy" means "free from pathogens, etc". So we might conclude the word means "free from destructive things" and could speak to physical health and spiritual health

I can see where you're coming from; and, I have encountered that view, though always lacking any mention of the Greek translation.

While I do appreciate your full scholarly response, I do not see the "free from pathogens/free from destructive things" connection.

Forgive my following, but it seems contrived. It sounds like a philosophized link between two unrelated words, one of them being a vague English word that's meaning is easily manipulated.

It is an interesting thought, but I don't I see that the Greek language has as many words with as many meanings as we see in our various English translations, or just in the English language, itself

I did thoroughly enjoy reading your entire response. Your research is well done, and formatted intelligently.

ViaCrucis · Sep 17, 2025

bbbbbbb said:
Why would you be more concerned if everyone accepted her or the SDA church? I would think that would be a cause for great rejoicing. Isn't that the ultimate goal of destroying eight million trees to produce THE GREAT CONTROVERSY?

It was right there in their post. Because rejection is seen as evidence of truth. If everyone believed what SDA's believed, then that would undermine the truth claim--but because people generally reject SDA beliefs and White's alleged prophetic claims, then that underscores that it's true.

Of course, literally EVERYONE can say this. When you attach veracity to popularity (even in the inverse) then you'll always have a fallback. Popularity can mean evidence of God's approval of something; the lack of popularity can mean evidence that since this world is fallen and people are under the delusion of sin and the devil then people won't believe the truth. So it's a win-win in all circumstances.

It's kissing cousins with the persecution complex.

-CryptoLutheran

DaisyDay · Sep 17, 2025

Oompa Loompa said:
And Charlie Kirk supported conservatives regardless of their sexual preferences. But look at what that got him.

What evidence is there that Charlie Kirk supported conservatives regardless of their sexual preferences? I couldn't find any.

RocksInMyHead · Sep 17, 2025

Aldebaran said:
Well, he gravitated toward sexual relations with another guy, and one that thought he was a gal. Then he goes up on a rooftop with a rifle to kill a conservative speaker because Robinson thought, "Some hate can't be negotiated out".
Sounds rather "far-left liberal extremist" to me.

Sounds extremist, yeah. Not sure how that equates to liberal though.

rambot · Sep 17, 2025

ThatRobGuy said:
I don't recall jokes about that as much as I recall the right-wing conspiracy theories about how it was supposedly a gay lover who was in the house, and after a "quarrel turned violent, he called the police and said it was an intruder as a cover story"...

I remember that one too.

iarwain · Sep 17, 2025

Almost surprising to see a Hollywood actress express sympathy in this situation. Not so surprising to hear her say she disagreed with almost everything he said. I wonder what exactly she was referring to, I'm guessing she might have agreed with him on more things than she might guess, since they seem to both be people of faith. A lot of the outrage I've heard from critics of Kirk are actually from twisting the words of what he said, or taking partial points without including the entire context.

I do appreciate that she considered his faith to be genuine. I also got that impression, and who am I to say it wasn't? I've had numerous left wingers tell me Kirk wasn't a "true Christian", and I guess that is based on his having an opinion that disagreed with theirs.

Delvianna · Sep 17, 2025

bèlla said:
I would never make an allegation against anyone I hadn’t heard firsthand. Media has its limitations and I’d want to feel the spirit in the room and observe them and others. I’ve attended prominent churches and had an opportunity to hear many speak. Both through conferences and fundraising events like Moody’s Founder’s Week.

I wasn’t listening on the radio or watching on a screen. I was seated in the third row looking them in the eye and watching their body language. And it wasn’t a one time thing. I’ve heard most of them several times and I don’t have a list. We walk in the measure of light we have and we’re all in different places.

A lot of people are petty and enjoy tearing others down. There’s a host of snark sites on the internet attesting to the same. Its become a sport for some and spirits of jealousy and envy are plentiful. I’m not going to say that every allegation is genuine and not rooted in the other.

~bella

Sure, I get what you're saying but there has to be a middle ground instead of swinging for extremes. If you go into a Church, watch someone online, sit in a conference and hear someone speak about something that is really bad to the point you'd classify them as a false teacher, then we are called to warn others about it about what they said. I don't agree with the extreme on the other side that compiles lists for petty reasons just to make themselves feel better for dragging others down either or truly if someone wrongfully bears false witness against them or claims they said something they didn't say, but just because those extremes exist, doesn't mean we stop altogether. Since we are to rebuke our own brethren, then rebuke the ones who are abusing this teaching for selfish or wrongful reasons, but I wouldn't tell people to stop doing it either in general.

For me personally, I've listened to the people I listed. While some of what I said about Voddie Bauchman is hearsay based on someone else's testimony, I personally avoid him for what I've witnessed but like I said, I'm not sure I would quite say he's a false preacher, just warning so someone who does listen to him can be on the alert and test to make sure what he's saying is accurate if they aren't so well versed in the scriptures. For the others, I would consider them dangerous enough that anyone could be swayed by their teachings and I would rather not have people fall into their trap. I saw personally what listening to prosperity gospel teachings morphed my best friend into, or even my moms boss for that matter. So for me personally, I'm listing people to avoid so the damage doesn't duplicate.

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