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The Trump DOJ goes "woke" and will target free speech.

Hilary Clinton’s senate voting record puts her more towards the far left than center. She might have started center left but moved towards the progressive side, primarily after contending with Bernie Sanders during the 2016 primaries.
She's more famous for voting for Iraq War #2, which turned off the far left.
Kamala Harris senate voting record also puts her on the more far left progressive side.
She's better-known for her prosecutorial record, which turned off the far left.
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Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together...

Peace in Christ.

Again….again….again, when we keep the dying of the Lord Jesus in our mortal bodies (the keeping of His daily sacrifice,) then the life also of Jesus shall be made manifest in our mortal bodies…our mortal flesh.

This manifestation of His life in our mortal flesh is the revealing of the Son of man to the people of the outside world so that they may see Him through us and believe. Not all will …but a “great multitude” will see and believe and be saved.

2Co 4:10-11 KJV
(10) Always bearing about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our body.

(11) For we which live are alway delivered unto death for Jesus' sake, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our mortal flesh.

This is the light that we shine to them…the revealing of His life in our mortal flesh to them.

Isa 60:1-4 KJV
(1) Arise, shine; for thy light is come, and the glory of the LORD is risen upon thee.

The people of the outside world are in darkness….thick darkness. They are in the "night". But the LORD shall arise upon us and His glory shall be SEEN upon us.

(2) For, behold, the darkness shall cover the earth, and gross darkness the people: but the LORD shall arise upon thee, and his glory shall be seen upon thee.

They will come to that light.

(3) And the Gentiles shall come to thy light, and kings to the brightness of thy rising.

They shall GATHER themselves together and come to us. Your “sons” shall come from far…

(4) Lift up thine eyes round about, and see: all they gather themselves together, they come to thee: thy sons shall come from far, and thy daughters shall be nursed at thy side.

We are to inherit the promises made to Abram….a “father” of nations. The “sons” and “daughters” are the nations that come to us.

Gen 17:3-5 KJV
(3) And Abram fell on his face: and God talked with him, saying,
(4) As for me, behold, my covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations.

(5) Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee.

“In that NIGHT”…in the thick darkness of the people of the outside world…one shall be “taken”…that is RECEIVED unto God…and the other left (forsaken.)

The verses of Luke 17:34-37 deal with the people of the outside world who are in deep darkness. They are not people of the churches. They do not know God whatsoever. They are in the "night"

They will see His glory light upon us “in that night” and one will be received and the other rejected.

Luk 17:34-37
(34) I tell you, in that night there shall be two in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.
(35) Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

(36) Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

Where are those who are received to Him going?

Wheresoever the body (Greek: soma – sound body), there the eagles will be gathered together.

Wherever the living body of Christ is…where the Son of man is being manifested, there the eagles (who will SEE with their eyes the living body) be gathered together. They will come to the light shining in us.

These (the eagles) are the people of the outside world who will see the light shining in us….the living body…and will gather themselves and come to us.

(37) And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.

But the unbelievers in the man-based churches will continue on as usual while the Son of man IS BEING revealed to the people of the outside world. This manifestation will be ongoing.

While the people of the outside world see the light and gather themselves to us who are shining His light to them, the man-based churches will continue on as usual…oblivious to what is happening…UNTIL they see the Son of man coming upon the clouds….clouds of people…coming with power and glory. The “flood” of people come and take them away in judgment for their unbelief.

Luk 17:26-30 KJV
(26) And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.
(27) They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.
(28) Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;

(29) But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.

Thus it shall be in the day when the Son of man IS BEING revealed. "Is being = present tense, continuous. These things happen while we are revealing Him to the people of the outside world.

(30) Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is (BEING) revealed.

Who then can be saved?

We are not sanctified when we are justified. We are still just as dirty as we were prior to regeneration. The only thing that happens during justification is that Christ (who already paid for our sins) stands between us and the Father absorbing the wrath of His anger, which then absolves us from having to pay for our sins, ourselves.

And there is no such thing as self-sanctification. It is the Holy Spirit’s work in us that makes it possible for us to be conformed to the image of Christ.
I agree that justification and sanctification are distinct events; justification occurs at the moment of salvation, whereas sanctification is an ongoing process throughout one's lifetime.

I have a different perspective regarding the idea that we remain “dirty” after regeneration. If such were the case, it would not reflect the concept of being born again or becoming a new creation. I would say after someone being born-again, they continue to possess human nature, and while living in this world, there will always be a conflict between human nature and spiritual nature aspects.
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Trump to designate antifa a 'major terrorist organization'

And how many were arrested for breaking windows? 2. That's it... 2 people. You seriously going to classify it as an attack when TWO people were arrested for breaking windows? Come on....
Dozens of Proud Boys were charged and found guilty of assaulting law enforcement, destruction of government property, and theft of government property, among other things. Many others not belonging to the Proud Boys were also charged with these offenses.
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Trump to designate antifa a 'major terrorist organization'

And how many were arrested for breaking windows? 2. That's it... 2 people. You seriously going to classify it as an attack when TWO people were arrested for breaking windows? Come on....
I'm not going to repeat myself because you choose not to fully defend your position.
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ABC pulls Jimmy Kimmel Live after comments on Charlie Kirk

What does any of that have do with ABC dropping a 22 year old show that's had falling ratings? They probably just used what he said as an excuse for it.
Well, Nextar and Sinclair saying that they wouldn't be carrying The Tonight Show anymore certainly didn't help the ratings situation.

And it looks mighty suspicious when the chairman of the FCC says:
We can do this the easy way or the hard way. These companies can find ways to change conduct and take action, frankly, on Kimmel or there’s going to be additional work for the FCC ahead.
And then hours later, the show gets cancelled.
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Spirit Airlines Jet ordered to alter course to avoid white and blue 747 at same altitude: "Pay attention. I'm sure you can see who it is."

Was saying "DEI" pilot supposed to be a clever workaround to not appear racist by saying a "black pilot"?....

Because that would be too clearly racist and you need some kind of plausible deniability?
Charlie Kirk would approve.
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Trump to designate antifa a 'major terrorist organization'

You’re being evasive.
I replied to the quote about breaking windows, so my response was about breaking windows, thats not being evasive, thats replying to a specific claim about breaking windows. But okay.
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The Trump DOJ goes "woke" and will target free speech.

Not at all. Harris, Hillary Clinton, and Obama were all center-left. The far left didn't vote for Harris.
Hilary Clinton’s senate voting record puts her more towards the far left than center. She might have started center left but moved towards the progressive side, primarily after contending with Bernie Sanders during the 2016 primaries.

Kamala Harris senate voting record also puts her on the more far left progressive side. However, she tempered her views during the 2024 campaign to a more winnable moderate approach. She was even called pragmatic in some circles because of her shift to try to win against Trump.

I agree with you about Obama.
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ABC pulls Jimmy Kimmel Live after comments on Charlie Kirk

More liberal lies and misdirection. Do you need to be reported to the Department of Correct Thought for re education?
Seeing as how the Sinclair group, which is right-wing, pulled him off the air, it sounds like that's what they're trying to do with Kimmel.
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Trump to designate antifa a 'major terrorist organization'

And how many were arrested for breaking windows? 2. That's it... 2 people. You seriously going to classify it as an attack when TWO people were arrested for breaking windows? Come on....
Only two arrests? Who were the 1500 people Trump pardoned at the start of his term?
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Trump to designate antifa a 'major terrorist organization'

ANTIFA hasnt been out in force in a while. They show up here or there but it's not like they used to be. So to classify them now, seems like it's just a show to make it look like Trump is trying to clean up America. But when you have active politicians inciting violence and nothing is ever done about it other than wagging a finger and verbally saying you're against it, our nation wont ever be cleaned up. Trump needs to focus on politicians first, then worry about civilians.
Perhaps the democratic party should be declared a major terrorist organisation. After all, their inciteful rhetoric directly caused the death of Charlie Kirk.
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Trump to designate antifa a 'major terrorist organization'

If you have not seen them breaking windows doors and in other ways using violence to hurt police and enter the capitol, you are not informed enough to have an opinion on this topic that deserves to be taken seriously.
And how many were arrested for breaking windows? 2. That's it... 2 people. You seriously going to classify it as an attack when TWO people were arrested for breaking windows? Come on....
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Transcript of Kirk's killer's messages has been revealed

As I noted before, trans activism has a unique trait (that's even unique from earlier forms of gay activism).

That unique trait being the branding of anyone who doesn't go along with it as fascists who want to partake in genocide and "erase someone's existence"
I mean, you have seen the opinions about transgender people that have been expressed even here on these (relatively moderated and mild) forums, have you not?
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Spirit Airlines Jet ordered to alter course to avoid white and blue 747 at same altitude: "Pay attention. I'm sure you can see who it is."

Maybe Spirit 1300 had a DEI pilot.
Was saying "DEI" pilot supposed to be a clever workaround to not appear racist by saying a "black pilot"?....

Because that would be too clearly racist and you need some kind of plausible deniability?
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Multiple immigration sweeps reported across Los Angeles, with a tense standoff/protest downtown; SEIU union leader arrested

Trump’s top federal prosecutor in L.A. struggles to secure indictments in protest cases

The grand jury had just refused to indict someone accused of attacking federal law enforcement officers
The officer said he and other agents started chasing the man, but were “stopped by two other males,” later identified as [Blanco's client] Mojica and Bryan Ramos-Brito. Blanco said she obtained social media videos showing no such chase took place and presented them at Mojica’s first court appearance. The charges were soon dropped.
Now Ramos-Brito has been acquitted by a jury of misdemeanor assault (which I assume means the grand jury also no billed his case like the one above). None of the numerous videos of the incident showed him striking the officer.

This case is the first to go to trial.

Protester found not guilty of assault despite top Border Patrol official’s testimony

U.S. Border Patrol Sector Chief Gregory Bovino — the brash agent who led a phalanx of military personnel into MacArthur Park this summer — was called as a witness Wednesday in a federal misdemeanor assault case against Brayan Ramos-Brito, who was accused of striking a federal agent.

Bovino, who flew in to testify from Chicago, the latest city targeted for an immigration enforcement surge, said he witnessed the alleged assault committed by Ramos-Brito in Paramount on June 7.

The jury came back with the acquittal after a little over an hour of deliberations.

The case could prove to be an ominous bellwether for embattled acting U.S. Atty. Bill Essayli, who has struggled to win indictments against those charged with committing crimes while protesting aggressive immigration enforcement in Southern California.

Prosecutors originally brought a felony charge against Ramos-Brito, which was reduced to a misdemeanor.

During the two-day trial, a number of videos were displayed showing a Border Patrol agent shove Ramos-Brito, but none clearly illustrated his alleged attack on the agent.

Outfitted in his green Border Patrol uniform, Bovino was the lone Border Patrol agent to testify that he witnessed Ramos-Brito drag his arm back and strike an agent with an open palm in the chest. Aside from [the alleged victim] Morales, three other agents took the stand Tuesday, but none said they saw Ramos-Brito hit Morales.

Both social media and body-worn camera footage played in court clearly show [Border Patrol officer] Morales shove Ramos-Brito first, sending him flying backward into the busy intersection of Alondra Blvd.

On a cross-examination, federal public defender Cuauhtemoc Ortega questioned Bovino about being the subject of a misconduct investigation a few years ago and receiving a reprimand for referring to undocumented immigrants as “scum, filth and trash.”

“The report states that,” Bovino said. [Bovino signed the reprimand document.]

A juror who spoke to a Times reporter outside court said Bovino’s testimony had “no impact” on their decision. The lack of video evidence in the case led him to vote not guilty, the juror said.
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