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  • CF has always been a site that welcomes people from different backgrounds and beliefs to participate in discussion and even debate. That is the nature of its ministry. In view of recent events emotions are running very high. We need to remind people of some basic principles in debating on this site. We need to be civil when we express differences in opinion. No personal attacks. Avoid you, your statements. Don't characterize an entire political party with comparisons to Fascism or Communism or other extreme movements that committed atrocities. CF is not the place for broad brush or blanket statements about groups and political parties. Put the broad brushes and blankets away when you come to CF, better yet, put them in the incinerator. Debate had no place for them. We need to remember that people that commit acts of violence represent themselves or a small extreme faction.

Charlie Kirk shooting suspect Tyler Robinson could face firing squad

If she was using her brain's processing power and could only process affirmative action as to why she should be representing her constituents, then I would say she certainly wasn't processing very well when she made that statement.
I'll also point out that people should be able to demonstrate the ability to use their brain to think clearly when doing an important job. I'm sure I'll be called racist for this, but I'd rather have a white man who has shown competency as the pilot of my plane than a black woman who is in the pilot's seat mainly through affirmative action because the airline wanted to be more "inclusive". Same goes for any other important or influencial position, such as being a representative in the House or Senate.
So in what way were Joy Reid and Michelle Obama and Sheila Jackson Lee and Ketanji Brown Jackson lacking in brain power and how did Charlie Kirk deterrmine it?
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A conversation about unity.

After reading your posts I would refrain from visiting your place of worship.
I know you would.

The point is, you would be welcome and you would be able to receive communion - sharing in the body and blood of Christ.
Regarding the latter, your church can't say the same.

So what chance of unity?
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Trump dispenses with trials, orders military strike on alleged Venezuelan drug-trafficking boat (Now up to 2, 3, 4...)

Fox News host criticizes Trump's bombing of boats in the Caribbean

LISA KENNEDY MONTGOMERY (CO-HOST): I don't like it. I don't like it because of the nuns. Because all it takes is one fishing boat with a broken radio or people who don't speak English and you're killing innocent civilians and I do not like that.

... So, you know, I do agree with Rand Paul here that if there are people we want to go after, instead of just killing them without any due process, put them on trial.
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Take a stand on political violence

Yeah, things were so much better in the 50's when everybody went to church and women and blacks knew their place.
What’s wrong with going to Church or the nuclear family? Of course, we have evolved much as a society and minorities are treated better, which is incredibly positive.
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Take a stand on political violence

Timeline of America's political violence dating back to 2011​


From here: MSN

If you think that ALL political violence is wrong, whichever side of the political fence you are, then just say so. Don't pick and choose. Don't comment on individual examples. Don't rate them or excuse them. Don't blame any one person or group. Just say that it's wrong. Please let's all get on the same page.

Jan. 8, 2011-- 6 killed, 13 others including then-Rep. Gabrielle Giffords wounded in Tucson shooting​

Six people were killed and 13 others wounded, including then-Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, during a constituent meeting outside a grocery store in Tucson, Arizona. Giffords, a Democrat, was shot in the head at point-blank range, critically injuring her, before the shooter unleashed a spray of bullets. Giffords survived the shooting.

June 14, 2017 -- Rep. Steve Scalise shot during congressional baseball game practice​

Four people were shot -- including then-House majority whip and Louisiana Republican Rep. Steve Scalise -- when a gunman opened fire on Republicans practicing for a congressional baseball game at Eugene Simpson Stadium Park in Alexandria, Virginia.

Oct. 8, 2020 -- 13 men arrested for plotting to kidnap Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer​

Thirteen members of a militia group were arrested and charged for planning to storm the Michigan statehouse, kidnap Gov. Gretchen Whitmer and start a civil war.

Jan. 6, 2021 -- January 6 attack on the US Capitol, pipe bombs at RNC and DNC​

A mob of pro-Trump protestors stormed the U.S. Capitol as lawmakers met to ratify the results of the 2020 election on Jan. 6, 2021.

Feb. 14, 2022 -- Kentucky mayoral candidate targeted in attempted shooting​

While running for office, Louisville Mayor Craig Greenberg was the target of an attempted shooting at his campaign headquarters. No one was injured in the incident.

Oct. 28, 2022 -- Paul Pelosi attacked with hammer in his home​

Former Democratic Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi's husband, Paul Pelosi, was attacked with a hammer in their San Francisco home. David DePape was sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole in a state trial over the attack. He had broken into the Pelosi home seeking to hold the then-speaker hostage.

Dec. 4, 2023 to Jan. 3, 2024 -- New Mexico state legislature candidate orchestrates shootings, murder for hire​

A New Mexico man who ran for the state legislature as a Republican and lost his bid is serving an 80 year prison sentence for allegedly orchestrating attacks at the homes of four Democratic lawmakers. No one was injured in his attempts.

June 13, 2024 -- 1st attempted assassination of Donald Trump​

Then-Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump was shot in the ear during a rally in Butler, Pennsylvania, after a gunman opened fire from the roof of a nearby building.


Sept. 15, 2024 -- 2nd attempted assassination of Donald Trump​

Trump faced a second assassination attempt at the Trump International Gold Club in West Palm Beach, Florida. Prosecutors said suspect Ryan Wesley Routh allegedly put together a plan, including purchasing a military-grade weapon, researching Trump's movements and using a dozen burner phones in an alleged attempt to kill Trump based on political grievances.

Oct. 6, 2024 -- Kamala Harris campaign office in Arizona shot at 3 times in a month​

An office shared by then-Vice President Kamala Harris' presidential campaign and the Democratic Party in Tempe, Arizona, was damaged by gunfire three times in less than a month, according to police.

Dec. 4, 2024 -- Murder of United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson​

UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson died after being shot multiple times at point-blank range by a gunman outside a Manhattan hotel, according to police. The shooter appeared to have been lying in wait at the hotel where he shot Thompson, authorities said.

April 13, 2025 -- Arson at Pennsylvania Gov. Josh Shapiro's residence​

A mechanic who has expressed disdain for Democrats on social media was arrested for starting a fire at Democratic Pennsylvania Gov. Josh Shapiro's residence.

May 21, 2025 -- Killing of two Israeli embassy staffers in Washington, D.C.​

Two Israeli embassy staffers were shot and killed while exiting an event at the Capital Jewish Museum in Washington, D.C.

June 1, 2025 -- 13 people injured in Colorado firebombing attack, 1 later dies​

A man threw Molotov cocktails during a pro-Israel demonstration in Boulder, Colorado, injuring 13, authorities said. One person later died of their injuries.

June 14, 2025
-- Minnesota lawmaker shootings​

A masked gunman disguised as a police officer shot and killed Minnesota state Rep. Melissa Hortman and her husband Mark in their home, Gov. Tim Walz said.

Aug. 8, 2025 -- Shooting at CDC headquarters​

A police officer was killed when a gunman opened fire near the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) headquarters and the Emory University campus in Atlanta, authorities said. Suspect Patrick Joseph White had blamed the COVID-19 vaccine for making him sick and depressed, according to law enforcement. He had increasingly focused on the vaccine as a source of his grievances, they noted. He was found dead after the shooting, officials said.

Sept. 10, 2025 -- Shooting of Charlie Kirk​

Charlie Kirk, the founder of the conservative youth activist organization Turning Point USA, was fatally shot during an event at Utah Valley University on Wednesday. President Donald Trump confirmed Kirk’s death on social media.
I’m tired of it all. When will it ever end? Can’t everyone love each other and get along? :(
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Ex Fox News host Jeanine Pirro confirmed as DC US Attorney

It's eight.​

Prosecutors already have dropped nearly a dozen cases from Trump’s DC crime surge, judge says

Grand juries have refused to return indictments at least eight times in six separate cases, an extraordinarily rare rebuke that underscores skepticism about the strength of the evidence in surge prosecutions.
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What Does the Lord Jesus Mean by “Doing the Will of the Heavenly Father “?

Proverbs 10:19
In the multitude of words sin is not lacking, But he who restrains his lips is wise.

That is a whole lot to address a very simple point, and cut up badly to boot.

Also seems like a derail of the OP.

Blessings and adieu.
I've considered being honest about our condition to be a primary pursuit in the Will of God. Obviously not very popular amongst believers
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This feeling that I'm not really a convert

Because I think Michie once said that converts can be given the cold shoulder, and if I'm more than just a convert, what harm could that be?
You’re a full Catholic. Period. Trust in God’s mercy and tell Satan to go back to hell!
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How do you experience your faith ? How do you understand it personally

As @SuperCow has noted, you are not (I think) asking about the spirituality of 21st-century American Christians, but rather about the spirituality of medieval European Christians. One approach that helps me learn about other faiths is to read the prayers that other people use. With that in mind, here are a couple of sources that might be helpful.

Sunday worship would have been liturgical, most often in Latin. Forms varied a bit from one region to another, but here is one typical rite: Internet History Sourcebooks: Medieval Sourcebook . This particular version is from 1962, but it gives a pretty good sense of what would have been used in earlier centuries.

A collection of everyday prayers that I like very much is Carmina Gadelica. These are prayers and incantations collected from ordinary people in Scotland in the 1800s. While the prayers were collected much later than the medieval period, I assume the prayers have roots in a much older culture. The collection is specific to Scotland, and you may well be writing about a different area in Europe, but I think the prayers reflect well the European pre-Enlightenment approach to life, in which God and the saints are all around us and in everything all the time. Here's one online source for the book: Carmina gadelica : hymns and incantations with illustrative notes on words, rites, and customs, dying and obsolete : Carmichael, Alexander, 1832-1912. comp. and tr. cn : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

Thanks for checking in with Christians to try to reflect our religion authentically. I wish you lots of success in creating your story!
Thank you for this post’ I will have to look into it! :)

Peace
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Charlie Kirk shooting suspect Tyler Robinson could face firing squad

I sure did! Too bad they'll never see their father again because he supposedly said something someone found offensive.
Wrong reason.

its because someone though murder was an acceptable solution.
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False Preachers/Teachers

Christianity itself hasn't been off track with anything.
Yet it rejected the Kingdom to re-join the world of man. That's as off-track as you can get. The Kingdom is a counter-culture to the world of man. It is impossible for the two to work in tandem. Jesus was clear about this when He dealt with the Temple. Jesus rejected the world of man as a teacher and also in the desert with the Tempter. The same would apply today to followers that are not false teachers. They would openly be of the counter-culture rejecting the self-serving ways of mankind.
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Tit for Tat Tariffs - The US versus the World

I can't find where we discussed it earlier, but in April the House voted to prevent any Congressional questioning of the Trump tariffs. House resolution 354 declared that days stopped elapsing.

Each day during the period from April 29, 2025, through September 30, 2025, shall not constitute a legislative day for purposes of clause 7 of rule XIII.

Now that September 30 is approaching, the House again narrowly voted to extend the non-passage of time into next year.

A measure that effectively blocks challenges to Trump’s sweeping global tariff declarations through March 2026 was adopted on a 213-211 vote. The vote was gaveled down only after GOP whips had a drawn-out struggle on the floor with a band of Republicans who initially opposed the legislation before flipping to yes.
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Charlie Kirk shooting suspect Tyler Robinson could face firing squad

It's the statement about brain processing power that is problematic, do they or do they not have enough brain processing power to be taken somewhat necessary?
Or that any of their jobs are entitled to a white person.
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Take a stand on political violence

There have always been bad sheep.
Uhmm.....The examples I gave were SYSTEMIC....not single people acting in bad faith.


Whether they can be blamed on the church or indeed various phases of in-between-revival times in the USA church history is a matter of discussion.
In some cases they 1000% could be ABSOLUTELY attributed to churches. There were churches who preached for segregation for a while....and while that number lessenned, it was there.


The culture on both the left and the right has degenerated with a loss of faith. But I understand that younger people are coming back into the church now, so there is yet hope for your country. Men are leading the way back and prefer traditional churches.

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It's REALLY weird to me how start the difference is in Gen Z.
When you compare political affiliations....men turning Republican, women Democrat.

I know, I know, it's Wikipedia, but it's sourced like a BOSS (from the "Political views of Gen Z")
Meanwhile, Gen Z men shifted further to Republican candidates like Trump.[53][54][55][56] Explanations for Trump's gains with young men include the economy, appealing to them through podcasters like Joe Rogan, "speaking to" their mental health struggles, less outreach from liberals, and men feeling "left behind" amid progress for women.[57][58][59]
1) If it was the economy, I'm not sure they are as impressed.
2) I agree that folks like Rogan and Kirk are having a pretty profound influence.
3) Less outreach from liberals? I do agree with that.
4) I don't buy the feeling "left behind" amid progress from women.
Women have been advancing to CATCH UP with men socially in terms of their progress. So I take that statement, actually, to be more like "they don't like that women are catching up to them". And it doesn't help that the rich people and influencers, try to exploit those feelings and exacerbate them through some nastiness.
Taking away certain rights from women while not reciprocating for men is going to make some women angry.


As a teacher, I have also been a bit concerned about what's happenning to boys and young men in our culture for sure. While some people worry about the "effiminazation" of men (or however it's spelled), I would argue that most men could afford to be FAR more intouch with their emotion and could learn to handle them better. Mental health and loneliness are REAL in today's world and to label men as "effeminate" because they acknowledge their feelings (and in doing so IMPLY that there ia problem with being at ALL feminine), is a bit mysogenistic and unhelpful to men suffering.
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Charlie Kirk shooting suspect Tyler Robinson could face firing squad

Considering that he then plays the video of what he's referring to, which is Sheila Jackson Lee admitting that she's there due to affirmative action, how is his statement incorrect?
You agree each of them “stole a white person’s job to be somewhat taken seriously”?

You agree with that statement?
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Charlie Kirk shooting suspect Tyler Robinson could face firing squad

Considering that he then plays the video of what he's referring to, which is Sheila Jackson Lee admitting that she's there due to affirmative action, how is his statement incorrect?
It's the statement about brain processing power that is problematic, do they or do they not have enough brain processing power to be taken somewhat seriously? And how did he determine it?
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