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Flat or round earth -The final experiment.

8) Planets are not stars. They look like stars to the naked eye. But in a telescope, they are obviously spheres which are much closer than stars. They also follow paths consistent with planets orbiting the sun.

Rubbish, they are known as wandering stars & there's no mention of planets in the Bible.

No, 500 years ago people did not believe the earth was flat.

o_O You do know your History don't you ?

This whole video is disgraceful misdirection and downright deception. None if his points hold any truth.

Sorry, but you have been seriously deceived…very seriously deceived.

No, most of the whole world has, via their indoctrination & their little science books.

Exodus 20:4 KJV:​

Thou shalt not make unto thee a graven image, nor any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath,


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No matter what TV program or film I watch I'm guaranteed to see one of these. talk about mind control.
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A whites-only community in Arkansas looking to start a franchise in Missouri

Sympathy can come from empathy. So you cannot definitively say it’s one and not the other.
Callousness can come from empathy. So you cannot definitively say it’s one and not the other.

What a risible comment.
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Flat or round earth -The final experiment.

Oh please, this is Jesus talking, he states quite clearly ' shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light'.

You need to stop trying to fit every word of the Bible to support of a globe.
Oh please! As if you don't interpret everything as if it supports flat earth.
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I am struggling with the other side's typical answers on issues.

I'm trying to figure out if I should have worded it differently.
I think that OSAS means you can sin all you want and still get into heaven. MY belief is we need to obey The Ten Commandments, attend Mass, receive the Sacraments including the Sacrament of Reconcilliation and try not to sin.
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Lies Spread Against You

“Blessed are those who have been persecuted for the sake of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Blessed are you when people insult you and persecute you, and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of Me. Rejoice and be glad, for your reward in heaven is great; for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.” (Matthew 5:10-12 NASB1995)

I am a minister of the gospel of Christ who shares the message of the gospel daily in the writings that the Lord gives me to share each day. But the gospel message that I share is presently under attack, and it is being knocked down and misrepresented and falsely accused of it being “works salvation,” which it is not. And so I am also being attacked and falsely accused of teaching “works salvation.” And some of these personal attacks are to my face, and some of them are possibly behind my back where I cannot see them.

And it doesn’t matter how much I quote the words of Jesus Christ and of his New Testament apostles, taught in the correct biblical context, this is largely being ignored in favor of a very popular “gospel” message which teaches that we can make a verbal confession of faith in Jesus Christ and that is enough to secure for us salvation of all sin and eternal life with God in heaven, no works required at all. And they will usually quote the Scriptures out of their biblical context in order to try to prove their point.

And many people are buying into this “no works,” “no obedience,” “no repentance” gospel message because it makes no requirements of them that they must die to sin and obey God and do the works God prepared in advance that they should do, in obedience to him, as his workmanship, and in order to have genuine salvation from sin and the hope of eternal life with God. For all of God’s promises have conditions we must meet in order for us to be recipients of those promises. And his gospel is not unrestricted.

Nonetheless, it appears that the dominant “gospel” being taught and received and accepted in the USA today, and perhaps in other nations, is a diluted, altered, and twisted “gospel” message which takes Scriptures out of their original context, and then twists them to say what they do not say if taught in the appropriate context, and which makes no requirements of its adherents that they must die to sin, obey God, and do the works God prepared in advance that we should walk in them, as his followers.

But are we saved by our own fleshly works? No! We can do nothing in our own flesh to earn or to deserve our own salvation. It is only by the grace of God, and only by God-persuaded faith in the Lord Jesus, and not of our own doing, that any of us have salvation from sin and eternal life with God. But Jesus and his New Testament apostles taught that we must die to sin and obey God in practice or we do not have salvation from sin nor eternal life with God. If sin is what we practice, and not obedience to God, we will not inherit eternal life with God, but we will face the wrath of God, instead.

And this is because faith in Jesus Christ is not lip service only. Faith in Jesus Christ, which comes from God, and which is persuaded of God, will be persuaded of God as to his holiness and righteousness, and of our sinfulness, and of our need to die with Christ to sin and to now walk in obedience to his commands, in daily practice, or it is not biblical faith which saves. Faith = obedience, and disobedience = unbelief (see Hebrews 3:1-19; Hebrews 4:1-13; Matthew 7:21-23; Luke 9:23-26; Romans 6:1-23; etc.).

So, yes, we do not work to earn our own salvation. But our salvation from sin, which comes from God, requires that we obey God, in practice, and that we not continue in deliberate and habitual sin against the Lord, for us to have salvation from sin and eternal life with God. Jesus taught it. Paul taught it. And the other New Testament apostles taught it. But this obedience is not of our own flesh, but it is empowered by God, as is our death to sin by the grace of God, in his power. Bottom line, we must surrender all to God!!!

[Matthew 7:13-14,21-23; Luke 9:23-26; John 1:12-13; John 6:44; John 10:27-30; Acts 26:18; Romans 2:5-10; Romans 6:1-23; Romans 8:1-14; 1 Corinthians 10:1-22; Galatians 5:16-24; Ephesians 2:8-10; Ephesians 4:17-32; Ephesians 5:3-6; Titus 2:11-14; Hebrews 3:1-19; Hebrews 4:1-13; Hebrews 12:1-2; 1 Peter 2:24; 1 John 1:1-10; 1 John 2:3-6; 1 John 3:4-10; Revelation 2:1-29; Revelation 3:1-22]

My Sheep

Based off John 10:1-30 NIV
An Original Work / June 24, 2012
Christ’s Free Servant, Sue J Love


My sheep hear me. They know me.
They listen to my voice and obey.
I call them and lead them.
They know my voice, so they follow me.
They will never follow strangers.
They will run away from them.
The voice of a stranger they know not;
They do not follow him.

So, I tell you the truth that
I am the gate, so you enter in.
Whoever does enter
Will find forgiveness and will be saved.
Nonetheless whoever enters
Not by the gate; other way,
He is the thief and a robber.
Listen not, the sheep to him.

Oh, I am the Good Shepherd,
Who laid his own life down for the sheep.
I know them. They know me.
They will live with me eternally.
The thief only comes to steal and
Kill and to destroy the church.
I have come to give you life that
You may have it to the full…

They know my voice, so they follow me.

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Lies Spread Against You
An Original Work / July 31, 2025
Christ’s Free Servant, Sue J Love

I am struggling with the other side's typical answers on issues.

I'm still trying to figure this out. When one side vociferously says faith alone and osas and that anything else is works, but Jesus says that if you want to enter life, keep the commandments, how am I supposed to reconcile the two?
Oh, I think I misunderstood what you meant when you said that about obeying Jesus to be saved. I think OSAS is wrong.
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Australia just wasted ANOTHER $800 million paying USA for subs we'll probably NEVER see!

(I'm starting again - my last AUKUS thread got de-railed.)

Australia just dumbly doubled our spending on this ridiculous program when America cannot meet their OWN demand for subs!

Washington: The incoming chief of US Navy operations has warned the US will not be able to fulfil its AUKUS obligations without doubling its submarine-building capacity, in a fresh sign of the doubts over whether the agreement can be honoured.​
Meanwhile, this masthead can confirm Australia’s second $800 million payment to help the US build nuclear-powered submarines was made in June, when the Australian government was already aware of the Pentagon’s review of AUKUS.​



AUKUS & nuclear subs?​

I am against AUKUS: Nuclear subs are the wrong technology, and America is the wrong security partner!

1. NUCLEAR THE WRONG TECHNOLOGY
I do not think Australia needs nuclear subs - as unlike America - we are not trying to defend a GLOBAL empire!

If Australia wants to build a defence force, not an attack force, we should build new tech biodiesel subs. Instead of old diesel subs that must surface every few days to burn fuel and charge the batteries - there is a new design of biodiesel sub that converts the biodiesel into hydrogen and uses that to run fuel cells. End result? It can stay underwater for a month! That’s not as good as a nuclear sub - but it’s vastly cheaper - meaning you can have more - and it’s stealthier in close range! Nuclear subs are GLOBALLY invisible - as they stay underwater for many months. But they are LOCALLY MORE VISIBLE - their nuclear engines run so hot they leave a detectable thermal wake in close quarters tactical situations. Spain’s biodiesel subs do not! Submarine powered by hydrogen | The Australian Naval Institute

2. AMERICA THE WRONG SECURITY PARTNER
Even after Trump - it will be decades before we know whether “Trumpism” has gone. The alt-right seems to be growing online. Their 'white replacement' fears and hatred of immigrants through to fear of science and climate and vaccines are all weaponised in this horrible movement - from MAGA to MAHA. As the saying goes, "To the entitled - equality feels like persecution." MAGA is not going away. The America we used to be able to trust is gone. Abraham Lincoln himself could turn up to run for the White House and it would be a generation before we could trust America again.

Australia could be investing a third of a TRILLION dollars into a national defence force that says “Actually - we used your money scaling up our sub building - but right now we need them more.” If we talk about loyalty, honouring contracts, long term alliances - someone will just yell MAGA at us and that’s that. Oh well.

This Australian National University podcast discusses the advantages and disadvantages of the technology - but then also asks - why are we still buying the myth that Australia cannot consider our security situations from our own unique position? Why are we always siding with America on questionable military ventures from Vietnam to the unfounded second invasion of Iraq? On a smaller note: they ask whether it is good for ANY nation to see their leader ‘bend the knee’ to daddy (Trump in his Oval throne room - acting like the world is his oyster and everyone has come to kiss the ring!)
Democracy Sausage Episode: Bending the knee
I stopped reading after "biodiesel subs."
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Flat or round earth -The final experiment.

Yes, you are.

Gives no reference to the source of the moon's light, whether it is emitted or reflected, although it immediately follows that if the "sun is darkened" then any object that reflects sunlight will cease to give light.

:rolleyes: Not you as well ?
We know Jesus is talking about two lights, he states ' The sun will be darkened And the moon shall not give off her light'
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French President Macron Files Lawsuit Against Candace Owens for Repeatedly Claiming His Wife Is a Man

Haven't you heard, DNA doesn't prove anything. I mean she COULD be a man, but if she says she is a woman then she is one and no proof is needed.
I guess you are right. The left has rendered the words "woman" and "man" to a meaningless term that can only be found in the intangible minds of the individual. They keep telling us that we, as cisgendered straight men, we cannot understand or fathom the definition. But even if you ask a "trans-person," they cannot define it either. So who is to say is Brigette is a man or a woman? It is ironic because genetics seem meaningless to those who follow the trans ideology, but when a legal defamation case is involved because someone is feeling misgendered, all of a sudden, genetics are important.
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Flat or round earth -The final experiment.

In normal language, it is usual to write about 'things' as they seem to the observer, even when you know that the descriptions are, strictly speaking, wrong.

"the moon shall not give her light" describes how events in the future will seem, an explanation of how the sun and moon work.

So Jesus didn't know what he was talking about ? LOL'z - Jesus created the sun & and the moon, he should know what he's talking about.
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Flat or round earth -The final experiment.

And second, your reference above only talks about the moon not giving its light. It does not say the moon is its own source of light.

Oh please, this is Jesus talking, he states quite clearly ' shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light'.

You need to stop trying to fit every word of the Bible to support of a globe.
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Watch: CNN Cuts Tulsi Gabbard Off as She Lays Out the Inconvenient Facts of the Russia Hoax

He has not yet been officially charged with treason.
No, only accused but I think that was the whole point. This story has served its purpose as a brief distraction but will eventually be swept under the carpet just like the rigged election hoax or the Epstein scandal.
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French President Macron Files Lawsuit Against Candace Owens for Repeatedly Claiming His Wife Is a Man

Looking like her brother, who attended both of Macron's inaugurations, is cause for skepticism about a woman who bore three children in her first marriage in the 1970s?

Hey, men can give birth. Thats no evidence hes a woman.
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French President Macron Files Lawsuit Against Candace Owens for Repeatedly Claiming His Wife Is a Man

I am confident what makes a man or a woman. DNA can prove it.

Haven't you heard, DNA doesn't prove anything. I mean she COULD be a man, but if she says she is a woman then she is one and no proof is needed.
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Gaza: In the face of horror, we cannot look away.

I'm extremely skeptical of anything the UN puts out. I don't believe a thing Hamas puts out. Both groups have lurd through their teeth. Hamas steals the food. If you read the information carefully you will find that the artcles are worded very carefully. Hamas doesnt steal from the UN they say. But the tvey go on to say "criminal gangs" are stealing the food. Gee, who do you think is involved with these criminal gangs? Even the US has said Hamas isnt stealing food oeople say. Except thats not what the report actually says. It says Hamas hasnt stolen from the US.

There are accusations that criminal gangs steal the food. Thats Hamas. The UN refuses to allow the IDF to escort them and refuses to go in with mass truck loads. The UN is the one refusing. Not Israel.

I don't doubt there are hungry people there, but its not because Israel is keeping the food out.

The Harm Caused by Excessive Criticism of the Roman Catholic Church and Other Denominations

The Pope is infallible as he is the Vicar of Christ on Earth. He is protected by the Holy Spirit from teaching error as dogma regarding faith and morals.
This is doctrine in the Catholic Church only. As far as any other Christans are concerned, the Pope is just as prone to error as anyone else.
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I am struggling with the other side's typical answers on issues.

They and other pastors might have you believe that if you feel you should obey Jesus to be saved, you're going to hell!

Stop and think about this for a second. Going to hell for saying that you should (try to) obey Jesus' commandments. Please think about how this looks, it looks BIZARRE.
Do we have to obey Jesus to be saved?
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Watch: CNN Cuts Tulsi Gabbard Off as She Lays Out the Inconvenient Facts of the Russia Hoax

Haha, ok. When Obama faces a firing squad you can say I'm wrong. But for now... Smith and the Western Journal are wrong in my book.
No one is going to face a firing squad. However, Obama and his cronies in the intelligence community certainly appears to be deeply implicated in this scandal.
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Trump Tariffs work in less than three days!

I think you fail to realize that flattery---even when insincere and spoken through gritted teeth--is the only way the EU feels he can be "managed." Behind closed doors I imagine they loathe him with every fiber of their being, and can't wait till he is off the world stage.
Like most countries! I linked to it in my new AUKUS thread - but this political podcast from the Australian National University questions not just the nuclear subs, not just our siding with American defence policy rather than more fully developing our own regional defence policy, but also questions how good it is for world leaders - and the Australian Prime Minister - to have to go through the humiliation of ‘bending the knee’ to daddy in the Oval. Trump seems to feel the measure of American diplomacy and international relationships - the ultimate benchmarks - is whether or not the other leaders have 'said nice things about me.'
Democracy Sausage Episode: Bending the knee

Um.... what the? How revolting!
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I am struggling with the other side's typical answers on issues.

Watching another video, and two Protestant pastors debating about obedience and one of them is saying how the devil is making us think that we have to also obey Jesus' commands and not just believe and I'm like OH.MY.GOSH and then the other guy saying how Mark 16:16 has nothing to do with baptismal regeneration and is a misapplication and I'm like...NO WONDER I'm still in the Catholic Church. :( Sorry

I still struggle with things and Iately I really hate how I feel no assurance of salvation but this is the kind of stuff that makes me say, No, I think I have to stay where I'm at right now.
I hope you stay put.
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