rambot said:

I can believe blaming this racism on the left on chriatian forums.

Of course bad Republicans couldn't be responsible for their own actions.

You guys shoot one of your people and blame the left. It happens again.
You do it again.
It happens again, you do it again.
It's so dumb to keep accusing ghosts.


perpetual victimhood while your hatred blinds you and your leaders pull you around by a nosering


Seriously
This is soooooooooo dumb.

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"The left made us do it" has always been the excuse for many people on the right.

Oompa Loompa said:

Wasn't that about the same time Kamala Harris was bailing out BLM thugs and vandals?

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Never happened.

Oompa Loompa said:

Maybe Kirk was making a sarcastic remark to point out how the left was encouraging violence?

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He wasn't capable of that level of subtlety, nor was his audience capable of inferring such.

Yeshua HaDerekh said:

Um, OK... https://www.adl.org/resources/fact-sheet/roger-waters-his-own-words

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Your source says

• For a period of time in 2010, Waters’ shows featured video of an array of symbols that placed the Jewish Star of David next to dollar signs. Waters defended himself, writing on his website that “there are no hidden meanings in the order or juxtaposition of these symbols.” However, by an October 6, 2010 show in New York City, the video no longer showed the two symbols next to each other.

As I already explained, this depiction included numerous religious and monetary symbols being dropped like bombs. He severely criticizes Christianity, and the US and British governments also. To single out two of the many targets and label it antisemitic is dishonest journalism, and as a result, I question the accuracy and bias of everything on that page.

bèlla said:

America was designed for the wealthy and it’s difficult for some to accept because of their beliefs or patriotism. The american dream is honestly a carrot because the truth isn’t taught in mainstream institutions. That’s the domain for elite day and boarding schools and they’re taught how to rule. Look at the schools in Switzerland. What do you think you’re getting for $150K per year? And consider the kids who enroll.

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No it is not. I was founded on FREEDOM. This is the problem in this country, Coveting what others have. Jealousy and envy of others.

bèlla said:

You go to school and get an education

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You go and get indoctrinated into false narratives. Especially about finances and this country.

bèlla said:

but can’t get a job. You go to work and struggle because your income isn’t keeping up with the cost of living.

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Yes, because of big government eating it up. Over regulation to strangle business. And brought in Illegal aliens to take Jobs. We do not have an immigrant problem. We have a problem with changing the definition of an illegal alien.
As Charley Kirk said, they are not even teaching economics anymore in higher education. He decided he did not need college because it indoctrinates.
This is a great country that is being torn down, because of this stuff

durangodawood said:

All those people are making "death lists"?

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No. They just "somewhat" support violence.

NewLifeInChristJesus said:

This is an interesting post. Thank you so much.

The prelude caught my attention first because I view my "spiritual dynamic" as very solid. I doubted that anything in the post would unsettle me. Then, reading the rest of the post, I just smiled in my heart and said "that is so true".

I never really thought about these verses in the context of today's popular legalistic approach to eternal life. To those seeking to gain or maintain eternal life through obedience or by seeking to be "just good enough", there is no solace in these words. They only drive them to seek mercy. But to those who are confident that their rightness with God is because of the Savior who rescued them and continues to rescue them from their sins, these words contain no condmnation. Thank you, Lord, for your indescribable gift.

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Being made a genuine disciple we are actually advised to hate our own life.

When we are honest with God in Christ, about the fact of evil lawless thoughts that defile us, Mark 7:21-23, it's a pretty easy place to get to, and yes, quite the opposite of the pablum we're continually fed about how God in Christ always and only loves us. And that simply isn't true. IT's when we bring the tempter into the picture that our faith lives get extremely interesting, and we can look back at the adversity in our lives in an honest light, and see God working in our lives against those things, even if we thought were all goody goody only. It was never true to start with.

Luke 14:26
If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

Better to have an honest relationship, than the relationship of a lying hypocrite. I'll honestly say that the evil present within me will never be justified, faithful, obedient or blessed of God in Christ. Only the opposite. Actually just like Job in a lot of ways.

It's a far more interesting life

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This thread is about the man's race not his political leanings.

Did you notice that in the op?

Zceptre said:

It isn't a "job." It's a "relationship." Most people reject having that relationship with the God who require they become love and follow His Son.

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Uh, the evil in no one has a relationship with God in Christ. Quite the opposite. That relationship is and remains adversarial to God.

Those who are honest have a part sighted relationship at best, again, just being honest.

Trying to justify the entirety of ourselves never works, scripturally. But people do have imaginary relationships based on what they've constructed from partial sights or what their fed by partially sighted doctrines, usually void of the reality of the evil that does come from within, via evil lawless thoughts, per Jesus: Mark 7:21-23

Then again we all love to rah rah on only one side of the story and ignore whatever else He has to say that isn't quite so flattering.

fhansen said:

Was Abraham's faith in God his salvation?

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No. . .his faith in the promise (Ge 15:5, Seed, Jesus Christ, Gal 3:16), was his salvation (Ge 15:6).

Salvation has been by faith in Jesus Christ (the promise) since Abraham.

Servus said:

Had nothing to do with winning over a debate audience.

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Simple, Trump is not known for truth, yet has been very successful in winning over an audience. He would not be where he is today if he had held truth above malarkey.

CerebralCherub said:

The problem is my husband and grown child like the size of the church because it offers some anonymity and some comfort in not believing without pressure. They want to come to God in their own time and the amount of people offers a comfort blanket for them.

So, I have prayed about it. I am a believer. They are not. Does it matter how I feel if the church may benefit them?

I can't tell if God wants me to stay for their benefit or leave for all of our benefit or would it just be for mine? They say they like it there but they don't know the difference between this church, versus others, and are still learning about things.

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Disclaimer: Opinion ahead.

We aren't the bride of a particular Church, we are the bride of Christ as a whole. Going to Church has a few reasons, 1) to worship God, 2) to serve and love others, 3) to fellowship with people that are like-minded and by this be sharpened in God's Word and built up by His Spirit in brothers and sisters.

I don't see committing to a Church per say, but to Christ. You can't know if you are missing the best experience you've had unless you go have those experiences, and this isn't trying drugs out or bar hopping we are talking about... it's simply Churches to meet people and experience what God may do there. It doesn't seem to me it can be harmful to know a few more brothers and sisters.

I don't think an unbeliever can know what is good for them (no presumption on them), as it is hard to hear our Heavenly Father if one isn't interested in hearing from Him. Those of us who know His voice know that it is a still, small, quiet, and very gentle voice that will not force itself on someone, but is evident only to those with their attention whole-heartedly on Him. It seems as though giving them what they want is leaving them in the stagnant zone, and while forcing anyone is not God's way, if they are willing another environment that showed them a more interpersonal and loving experience may open their hearts to God's love and goodness.

Lastly, I don't think it has to be a you or them kind of thing, at least not in the proposal in conversation. Relationships, and primarily marriages, are about compromising if there are differences between the two people and love is present between them. A husband does not always want to go shopping for dresses or curtains or handbags, but will if he loves her and it brings her joy to do that with him. A wife may not want to go to a car show or other event she finds uninteresting, but if she loves him she will happily go with him due to the love that lives in her heart for him.

Obviously, this is not something anyone from the outside can fully explore or resolve, but maybe more communication, the sharing of what's in the heart genuinely and gently, a few visits if the communication goes well to other Churches, and see where it all goes from there. Switching Churches for a week doesn't mean one is bound to stay there for life, and while I don't believe in Church hopping, I do believe there is a place where a person belongs, and people make that place, not the building, or itinerary, or the programs, or music.

It is a rock and a hard place for sure. I'm praying for you.

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Clare73 said:

And?. . .does that alter Jesus' statement that salvation is only by faith in him (Jn 3:18), that the faith of Jews in God only is not salvation?

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Was Abraham's faith in God his salvation?

Oompa Loompa said:

Would you be loving your neighbor by sharing the gospel even though you know they would find it offensive? Or is loving your neighbor affirming their beliefs that you believe will send them to Hell?

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We should always seek to share the Gospel in a way that is contextually sensitive. Aiming to be offensive for its own sake is not compatible with Christian ethics, nor is offense an automatic sign of holiness.

I do not necessarily believed non-Christians go to Hell, that's not how I think of salvation working. I accept Karl Rahner's idea of the "Anonymous Christian" or Justin Martyr's notion of the logos spermatikos.

Servus said:

What does that have to do with debating? Or did you just take what I said and go off on a tangent with it?

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The connection was clear to me. Maybe read it again?

Landon Caeli said:

Well, Roger Waters is a known, long-time anti-semite... This is nothing new with him.

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I've seen Waters in concert several times, along with Gilmour, and the Gilmour-led Floyd. Roger's 'The Wall' in 2012 was probably the best show I've ever seen, followed by the 2017 tour. I never heard him say anything antisemitic, though I do hear him criticizing the actions of the Israeli government. I read an extensive interview with him a couple years ago, and he wasn't totally coherent when it comes to Israel vs Palestine, but again, I didn't read anything antisemitic. Maybe someone can clarify if I missed it.

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He's been known to wear Nazi SS costumes on stage, on several occasions, and I believe he's been doing it since the 1980's.

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No, he's never worn a Nazi costume onstage. As part of The Wall, he wears a fascist costume that resembles a Nazi uniform in order to depict the evils of fascism. That's part of what The Wall is all about. During the 2017 tour, he depicted various religious and monetary symbols all being dropped from a plane like bombs. It was a metaphor, you see. Apparently there were objections to the Star of David being shown in quick succession with the Dollar symbol, though the Cross and other symbols were included in the depiction as well. So he simply changed the order of the symbols and that was that. If you watch The Wall movie during the song Goodbye Blue Skies, you'll see such depictions are nothing new.

The rift with Gilmour is decades-old, tracing back to his 80s-era lawsuit claiming that Pink Floyd was creatively spent without him. They slag each other in the press at times, but Gilmour is more than happy to make money performing tunes that Roger wrote. They both still release solo albums, but none are as good as when they were working together. A year or so ago, Gilmour's wife Polly Samson criticized Waters as being antisemitic, and Gilmour made a statement agreeing. In preparation for his 2024 tour, Gilmour announced that he might skip the 70s-era Floyd tunes written by Waters, but Polly convinced him otherwise. Again, he's willing to play them when money is on the line.

fhansen said:

Only because Jesus is God.

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And?. . .does that alter Jesus' statement that salvation is only by faith in him (Jn 3:18), that the faith of Jews in God only is not salvation?

Xeno.of.athens said:

John Macarthur, a noted independent evangelical leader who was also a Calvinist died in 2025. He's left a literary legacy. What do you think his legacy on evangelicalism has been?

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I followed him pretty closely in the 1980's until I was liberated from legalism. I now see his Lordship Salvation as a special sub-class of legalism. I agree with others that he will be remembered for that. I don't remember much else of what he said or wrote except that he had a dry, technical approach to the Holy Spirit in particular and spiritual things in general. Of particular concern was his tacit admission that he did not know how people are able to distinguish between the voice of the devil and the voice of God. As a side note, I would add add that classing TULIP with evangelicalism seems like an oxymoron.

Postvieww said:

I did! Would you care to clarify exactly what you found disgusting?

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...packaging a widow's grief, within 24-48 hours of her husband's horrendous death, and using it for political fund raising.

Valletta said:

Obviously the originator of the "purple" story either had no idea that the Catholic Church uses a number of seasonal colors or it was a deliberate and hateful attempt to falsely malign the Catholic Church. That such tales get passed down is sad, particularly by those who identify themselves as "historians." This is just the kind of thing that prevents good honest Christian dialogue. The Devil never sleeps.

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It was more an identification of the entity described in Revelation 17 by interpreters, than historical accounts by historians. Peoples being persecuted by the Catholic Church in league with Catholic political leaders, noticed the colors and golden cup employed by the church, its direct connection to the Roman Empire, and simply put 2 and 2 together. They were Christians (saints), they were being persecuted and killed by Roman Catholic religious and political leaders in league with each other, and the Catholic church employed the colors and cup described as an identifying mark in Revelation 17. It is hard to dialogue, with people who outlaw what you say and believe with penalties up to torture and death. Many of course today, look back at said history, and see these same identifying marks played out in actual history.

I think its pretty obvious which side of political spectrum this guy was on. And I'm telling you there is no excuse for his actions. Its an act of murder, plain and simple.

mark46 said:

....Charlie Kirk was willing to debate anyone.....

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Was he? That would be impressive. I picture most people in his game as canny controllers of the mic who use their position rather than their arguments to shut down others when really challenged.

RandyPNW said:

That is a distinction without a difference. "Fullness" means "full inclusion."

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You need a better Biblical dictionary. . .

Larniavc said:

What makes you think my country will be under Sharia law any more than it will be under Biblical law?

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The saddest part, is that you won't be around to see the full culmination of what you've helped put into place.