Christians - May I have your attention for a moment?

[ralliann]

I`m like, how can we help them if we don`t try to help or teach or have a dialogue But now I am not english either but from a humanitarian country where everyone really are equal.

Equal in what? Rights?

we do not have the split we see in the US in my country of origin. neither the same split racially or faith based. just saying, not to critisise. I do agree that anyone who it is no matter what if they talk about murder there is the limit. Where i am coming from is more like we can do a lot to change their minds or help them, as we do not know the deeper reasoning. trying to create positive change in their lives and society.

You are going along with the system of equality?

 

[Godcrazy]

Equal in what? Rights?

You are going along with the system of equality?

scandinavians are different. when we say equal, we truly mean equal. everyone have the same, you do not see classes, or rich trying to stick out they get told off, everyone have similar status, you get treated well as poor, free hospitals and daycare, good social services, free right to roam in nature, no roles regarding the relationships and no dominance meaning we treat each other with mutual respect, sharing and partnership, as a an adult, (for christians even there it is not devoid of that) ,everyone can voice their opinions as they wish as long as respectful and women are strong minded, voice opinions freely and it is seen just as normal as for others, we are big humanitarians and help many coming to the country, we take care of the elderly sick and those that can`t work, we do not discriminate, we do not have much racial issues, we do not have much criminality, (if there is it is first now) and so forth. and we get along well.

 

[Godcrazy]

short said, what we mean with equal is not what other countries might consider the issue or problem for example if you say equal in america people probably scream but that is not what we mean about it. it means shortly treat everyone with respect dignity and care

 

[Godcrazy]

in scandinavia, men and women share the household burden on equal fotting you see men clean, shop take care of children in regards of picking up playtime etc. we do not differ as in it is a task that needs to be done and as partners, so to speak, we share. it is how it is done in scandi.

 

[Godcrazy]

same as men have equal parent off rights from work and we have extensive parental off work rights. and pay. in many ways wie do not have the same issues as other countries. even christians there live like this, with no friction

 

[Hentenza]

The migrant issue has set this back irreparably. I don’t think you’ll see that spirit for many generations. The more immigration we have the less likely you’ll have unity. But that’s just the tipping point. We’re moving in the direction of increasing separatism and acceptance of narrower connections. Some will form along racial lines, financial or religious and it’s already underway. Europe is up in arms and we’re not better off.

The stranger that I mentioned in my post is what Paul posted in Ephesians 2. I was not referring to migrants but to those that are new in Christ and need the help of the church to complete their faith.

“for through Him we both have our access in one Spirit to the Father. So then you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but you are fellow citizens with the saints, and are of God’s household,”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭2‬:‭18‬-‭19‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Ephesians 2:18-19 for through Him we both have our access in one Spirit to the Father. So then you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but you are fellow citizens with the saints, and are of God’s household | New American Standard Bible - NASB (N

for through Him we both have our access in one Spirit to the Father. So then you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but you are fellow citizens with the saints, and are of God’s household

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Many churches this days do not welcome the stranger because, like someone posted in another thread, we don’t know where the church is not which in my opinion is nonsensical. My point is that the church is ALL believers that profess their faith in Christ so all churches should welcome the body if Christ whether one is a member of their church or not. The country club church mentality must be eliminated.

You can make things work when the common denominators overshadow the places you disagree. But we are less alike than ever. Name a subject and you’ll get an argument pretty fast. The divide is evident and I don’t know if it can be repaired. The internet has allowed people to stop fighting for that and seek the company of likeminded people. They don’t have to wrestle with differences anymore or tolerate them either. You can form your own community and ignore the rest.

And that happens all the time in this space. We have the technology to talk, meet and exchange ideas and the world would never know. I see more of that in the future than otherwise. The arguments run their course and after a while you just want peace.

So where does that leave christians?

~bella

Not sure where that leaves Christians. I know that Christianity always rebounds and maybe this is just the times that we live in and something else will come in the future which is my hope.

 

[ralliann]

scandinavians are different. when we say equal, we truly mean equal. everyone have the same, you do not see classes, or rich trying to stick out they get told off, everyone have similar status, you get treated well as poor, free hospitals and daycare, good social services, free right to roam in nature, no roles regarding the relationships and no dominance meaning we treat each other with mutual respect, sharing and partnership, as a an adult, (for christians even there it is not devoid of that) ,everyone can voice their opinions as they wish as long as respectful and women are strong minded, voice opinions freely and it is seen just as normal as for others, we are big humanitarians and help many coming to the country, we take care of the elderly sick and those that can`t work, we do not discriminate, we do not have much racial issues, we do not have much criminality, (if there is it is first now) and so forth. and we get along well.

So the government owns everything? It does not seem so you still have rich and poor.

 

[bèlla]

I believe you are right, while still try to help when asked or see a chance, of course. But of course not we can`t rescue a sinking ship.

The quote is taken from a wealth management firm. We needn’t speculate what happens when resources depart. There’s numerous examples to draw from.

I am from Sweden Scandinavia and we are very humantiarian still and very equal meaning everyone should have and you do not see class differences. Or differences in having it is not tolerated either.

I think a changing world order is underway and it isn’t just in America. Numerous countries are facing similar issues, mounting debt, deficits and civil unrest. I don’t think any country will be spared unless that’s the plan. And I’ve never heard that about Sweden. There’s also the social element and the influence it’s meant to have over the population.

When you’re paying people to promote an ideal or rewarding certain content others will follow suit. The economy is bad in a lot of places but the content doesn’t reflect that because they’re making more than their audience. And that’s what Google wants and sponsors too. The dichotomy reinforces the have’s and have nots.

t is sad to see what is happening in America. I have relatives that emigrated all over in the 1800. The evil have been working on it ever since. It is sad to see. When so much good have been. And how they treat people. At least people that are disabled in Scandinavia still are treated well compared to my friend who is in America telling me everything. It is truly shocking.

America was designed for the wealthy and it’s difficult for some to accept because of their beliefs or patriotism. The american dream is honestly a carrot because the truth isn’t taught in mainstream institutions. That’s the domain for elite day and boarding schools and they’re taught how to rule. Look at the schools in Switzerland. What do you think you’re getting for $150K per year? And consider the kids who enroll.

You’ll never catch them and the gulf is impossible to breach. Even if you do well and earn a good salary you’re still on a different playing field. They’re meeting in spaces you don’t have access to because you‘re not a member and can’t get a recommendation. So how do you navigate a society like that?

You go to school and get an education but can’t get a job. You go to work and struggle because your income isn’t keeping up with the cost of living. And community is a mixed bag. A lot of people weren’t interested in working together or sharing resources until things got tight. When they had more they were happily ensconced in their world and it hasn’t escaped our notice.

Much like I shared in respect to the UK I see the same thing here. All of my associates have moved to remote places with land and resources. They made their money beforehand and they’re all christians. I see similar behavior in financial circles. Stack and go is the word. They’re not staying to rebuild or combat what’s ahead. They’re seeking refuge in safer places.

That was in the movie Obama produced. They liquidated assets and crept away like Santa Claus before the country imploded. When you see things like that you can’t sit on your hands. You have to take action because the window is small.

~bella

 

[bèlla]

My point is that the church is ALL believers that profess their faith in Christ so all churches should welcome the body if Christ whether one is a member of their church or not. The country club church mentality must be eliminated.

The world is changing fast. While you’re discussing what needs to happen another shoe will drop. This isn’t the time for talk. Those days are gone. You have to learn how to read signs and seasons and strike while the iron is hot.

Not sure where that leaves Christians. I know that Christianity always rebounds and maybe this is just the times that we live in and something else will come in the future which is my hope.

The bible mentions the importance of plans and vision and that’s the starting point. ‘The church’ isn’t a plan it’s an entity. If the pandemic imparted any lesson it should be the importance of preparation. We can’t leave everything to chance.

I’m a builder. When I see things happening in society that are contrary to my welfare I devise a strategy in response. I don’t wait for people to bring it up or ask what they think. I put something in place and when the unexpected happens I’m not caught off guard or having a meltdown. I live in a continual state of readiness.

~bella

 

[Carl Emerson]

The world is changing fast. While you’re discussing what needs to happen another shoe will drop. This isn’t the time for talk. Those days are gone. You have to learn how to read signs and seasons and strike while the iron is hot.



The bible mentions the importance of plans and vision and that’s the starting point. ‘The church’ isn’t a plan it’s an entity. If the pandemic imparted any lesson it should be the importance of preparation. We can’t leave everything to chance.

I’m a builder. When I see things happening in society that are contrary to my welfare I devise a strategy in response. I don’t wait for people to bring it up or ask what they think. I put something in place and when the unexpected happens I’m not caught off guard or having a meltdown. I live in a continual state of readiness.

~bella

Should we then be talking about the steps to be taken if fellowship needs to be more covert ?

 

[bèlla]

Should we then be talking about the steps to be taken if fellowship needs to be more covert ?

You should plan for both and other disruptions that impact your welfare. Many are discussing the three days of darkness and I’m not co-signing that. But I believe what Klaus said.

Klaus Schwab: "We all know, but still pay insufficient attention, to the frightening scenario of a comprehensive cyber attack could bring a complete halt to the power supply, transportation, hospital services, our society as a whole. The COVID-19 crisis would be seen in this respect as a small disturbance in comparison to a major cyberattack.

We’re in a surveillance society now. A lot of the things people assume they can do are already thwarted. Black Mirror is a good show to watch about this. The technology they’re discussing in the show is happening now, already exists or in development. I remember a clip about a device you had to use for entry into a building. And it scanned your thoughts while questions were asked.

Your biggest impediment is numbers. The more people who know the truth the greater the probability for leaks. You have to share things on a need to know basis.

~bella

 

[ralliann]

America was designed for the wealthy and it’s difficult for some to accept because of their beliefs or patriotism. The american dream is honestly a carrot because the truth isn’t taught in mainstream institutions. That’s the domain for elite day and boarding schools and they’re taught how to rule. Look at the schools in Switzerland. What do you think you’re getting for $150K per year? And consider the kids who enroll.

No it is not. I was founded on FREEDOM. This is the problem in this country, Coveting what others have. Jealousy and envy of others.

You go to school and get an education

You go and get indoctrinated into false narratives. Especially about finances and this country.

but can’t get a job. You go to work and struggle because your income isn’t keeping up with the cost of living.

Yes, because of big government eating it up. Over regulation to strangle business. And brought in Illegal aliens to take Jobs. We do not have an immigrant problem. We have a problem with changing the definition of an illegal alien.
As Charley Kirk said, they are not even teaching economics anymore in higher education. He decided he did not need college because it indoctrinates.
This is a great country that is being torn down, because of this stuff

 

[bèlla]

No it is not. I was founded on FREEDOM.

Name a time in this country‘s history when the wealthy have suffered the ills we’ve seen elsewhere? They don’t have to march for their rights or beg their leaders for anything. Nor are they protesting. Every administration addresses their wants and needs and they come first. The tax policies are continually written in their favor and the wealth gap is ever growing.

Should I end there or reference the social elements as well? They’re not complaining about crime or schools. Nor are they concerned about tariffs or higher prices. They’re not impacted by the marital drought, familial erosion or fertility crisis. They’re lives are unchanged.

I have no qualms admitting that I live in a society that caters to a select group of people at the expense of the rest. But if you feel differently that’s fine. Our clientele’s net worth was on par with corporations. That‘s the level of wealth they had in their family coffers and businesses. And it’s not a matter of seeing it but understanding how it’s maintained and established which influences my perspective. They‘ve had their resources for more than a century.

As Charley Kirk said, they are not even teaching economics anymore in higher education. He decided he did not need college because it indoctrinates.

As far as I’m aware it’s no longer required for graduation in some states. I had two years of economics and did junior achievement as well but I taught my daughter at home instead. We didn’t rely on schools for everything. Some things aren’t covered and others don’t go far enough and it’s my responsibility to fill in the gaps.

I’m not going to tell anyone what to think or feel. Everyone must come to their own conclusions. But as for me and mine, we see the world through unbiased lenses as much as we can. My religious beliefs don’t alter the truth. If what I’m observing doesn’t mirror that position then it‘s contrary to the principle but real nonetheless.

This is an interesting piece on the founding fathers if anyone’s interested.

Were the founding fathers 'ordinary people'?

~bella

 

[ralliann]

Name a time in this country‘s history when the wealthy have suffered the ills we’ve seen elsewhere? They don’t have to march for their rights or beg their leaders for anything. Nor are they protesting. Every administration addresses their wants and needs and they come first. The tax policies are continually written in their favor and the wealth gap is ever growing.

Demonizing wealth. Stirring up Envy, covetousness..
This nation was founded upon freedom first and foremost.

Should I end there or reference the social elements as well? They’re not complaining about crime or schools. Nor are they concerned about tariffs or higher prices. They’re not impacted by the marital drought, familial erosion or fertility crisis. They’re lives are unchanged.

So you don't like what Trump is doing. You are FREE to dis agree

I have no qualms admitting that I live in a society that caters to a select group of people at the expense of the rest. But if you feel differently that’s fine. Our clientele’s net worth was on par with corporations. That‘s the level of wealth they had in their family coffers and businesses. And it’s not a matter of seeing it but understanding how it’s maintained and established which influences my perspective. They‘ve had their resources for more than a century.

I am not going to listen to some woman on the internet that speaks all her knowledge of finances. Do you really even know? All hear is doom, and bad rich people. Can't be fixed. but beneath this veneer, comes a distain for Capitalism and the foundations of this country.
This country was founded on Good things. we have been blessed by it. No I am not giving that up for government control.

 

[bèlla]

I am not going to listen to some woman on the internet that speaks all her knowledge of finances. Do you really even know? All hear is doom, and bad rich people. Can't be fixed. but beneath this veneer, comes a distain for Capitalism and the foundations of this country.

This is probably the funniest comment I’ve read in some time on the site. I doubt that anyone who‘s familiar with my posts would ever call me anticapitalist. If anything, they’d say my time in wealth management influenced my perspectives and provided the tools for entrepreneurship.

~bella

 

[ralliann]

This is probably the funniest comment I’ve read in some time on the site. I doubt that anyone who‘s familiar with my posts would ever call me anticapitalist. If anything, they’d say my time in wealth management influenced my perspectives and provided the tools for entrepreneurship.

~bella

I am familiar with your posts. that is why I commented....
Your financial experience is neither here nor there concerning political ideas.
We have seen that with persons such as Charley Kirk. This anti capitolism "equality" is coming from those who are professors in finance. It really is neither here nor there.

 

[Godcrazy]

So the government owns everything? It does not seem so you still have rich and poor.

the gov owns about 70%, there are regulations and laws making sure no one goes over things. ever since old times we have the mentality noone shall believe they are better than others. it shows in different ways. one way is everyone have comfortable lives and stuff. money, things, treated equally, good care etc. there is however not much competition as taxes are high to pay for everything that goes to each man, and as a small country and far away. our export is tech and woods and fish mainly. and cars. we have good tourist attractions as of sea food and nature and so on. you do get limited products than a bigger country and imports are expensive. but we have our own brands.

 

[Godcrazy]

This is probably the funniest comment I’ve read in some time on the site. I doubt that anyone who‘s familiar with my posts would ever call me anticapitalist. If anything, they’d say my time in wealth management influenced my perspectives and provided the tools for entrepreneurship.

~bella

I think the problem is how we share it. this is why universal basic income is coming. as sweden we actually do have many good things regarding all this see my post

 

[ralliann]

the gov owns about 70%, there are regulations and laws making sure no one goes over things. ever since old times we have the mentality noone shall believe they are better than others. it shows in different ways. one way is everyone have comfortable lives and stuff. money, things, treated equally, good care etc. there is however not much competition as taxes are high to pay for everything that goes to each man, and as a small country and far away. our export is tech and woods and fish mainly. and cars. we have good tourist attractions as of sea food and nature and so on. you do get limited products than a bigger country and imports are expensive. but we have our own brands.

ah ok so you are 70% total government control.

 

[ralliann]

I think the problem is how we share it. this is why universal basic income is coming. as sweden we actually do have many good things regarding all this see my post

The problem is , Who is the "we". There is you, and there is the government over you. As long as the government does not decide other wise...