so far it looks like the majority of posters who replied to the topic agree that the teaching is extrabiblical.

A2SG said:

MAGA (Make Attorneys Get Attorneys) strikes again.

-- A2SG, fortunately, Trump has hired a lot of them recently....

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I thought you might like this. A general round up of how the court cases have been going. Long read though.

chevyontheriver said:

There is a great civil war among the Democrats for the soul of their party. The side winning at the moment is the side that will ‘Occupy Washington’ and will see the Mandami election in NYC as but a first step in taking many big cities from the old fashioned Democrats. Those old fashioned Democrats are mostly in retreat, some trying to hide in plain sight by looking more radical. The old coalition of labor and little guys, the bulk of the pre-McGovern Democrats has faltered and really no longer exists. The new guys want revolution, and a general strike leading to national collapse would be more to their liking than a clean continuing resolution.

Can o few Democrats in the Senate be found to resist? Maybe. But they know they would face a heavy political price for voting for a clean continuing resolution. A heavy political price from the dominant radical wing of their own party.

As the shutdown continues more funding will run out and more pain will be felt. And I think that is EXACTLY the plan. More pain with the hopes of revolution eventually breaking out. They are going for victory. No compromise with the folks they call Nazis.

Maybe the government will be shut down until the midterm elections a year from now.

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Well, then I guess neither side cares about votes then, which is going to hurt/cost everyone in this country very much greatly, because none of those voices that they are listening to right now are in the majority, but are just only some of the loudest among only some of the minorities, etc, which is going to cost/hurt everyone in this country very, very much greatly.

Or why does it seem to me that everyone seems to be all just hell bent on destroying this country? Because if that is the case, then I can 100% guarantee you that they have all lost touch/sight of the majority, and maybe that's what's wrong with their parties, etc.

God Bless.

concretecamper said:

Considering the term "Roman" Catholic came about after the Protestant Revolt as a term used by protestants who wrongly believe they were still part of the Catholic Church, I would agree with you.

The term Roman Catholic (16th Century) came well after the Bible (4th Century)

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Except the earliest canon that was widely accepted almost 200 years before the church was Westernized.

Catholic stands for universal -

Roman Catholic is the denomination seated in Rome.

stevevw said:

This is why I don't like debating you. You keep adding these personal qualifyers which are obviously unreal and falsehoods.

OK so I didn't respond to your images in the way you wanted me to. I responded in a way that I wanted to. Is that ok or is that not allowed. I determined that your images did not negate that there was evidence for there being circular saw cuts in the stones and gave the examples. Just like you did.

If you are using those images to support your claim. Then you have to deal with images that contradict your claim. Simple as that. Best way to counter the claim. No need to give reasoning to why your examples are not valid.

All they do is show that we have two sets of methods. Two industries in stone. More than one method to cut stone. Just like today. It does not negate the clear images that show signatures that are more like machining marks than some massive copper hand held saw.

There you go again. I may disagree with you. But I don't deride your view. You do realise that many, many people also see things how I do. I think it was even you who said that one of the circular saw cuts. I think the one with three paralelle cuts. Was the product of a modern forgery. ter came along and used a circular saw. Was that you.

Someone did. Not just that people have unknowingly agreed that some sort of lathing was involved in a time that had not potters wheel let alone lathe. So if this is all nonsense then everyones speaking nonsense.

Gee they sure left this one pretty rought lol. Thats a joke by the way to lighten things. I always wondered how a hand held straight saw that needs to go back and forth could cut those destinctly sharp inside corners.

As though the inside was not pounded out and then ground down into a near perfect angels. But rather looks like a block is cut straight out of it in one go. Or maybe sections. But single straight cuts in one go for each section.

Ok I think I have shown some of the finer signatures on this box before. They show sharp straight and very thin cuts like they also have been shaved off. The lip or step left in so thin that a thick hand held saw could not have cut them.

Notice the top around the box. Like someone got a planer and cut out a flsy border around or was attempting to around the edge of the opening. These look similar to the thin sharp straight edges on the other examples

Now I don't think this is incoherent rambling but a simple observation of what the marks look like. Trying to reverse engineer them to work out what made them. You may have to enlarge them to see the detail.

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Yes and also sharp thin cuts like the surface was planed and they went a bit to deep in places and they neevr had the chance to polish them out. Like the sharp steps and lips we see inside vases. Or the same sharp thin edges or planing marks on many other examples like these. Like there just shaving thin layers off with some powered planer.

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This cut or planing whatever you want to call it bends. It looks like the machine realinged or went off line and was re alined a couple of times as you can see over cuts or cross cuts.

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You think those long shaved or planed cuts to the surfaces were made by hand grinding and it was easy. I don't think so. It looks nothing like they were ground or abraised. Or cut with a hand saw.

They definitely look like some planer or powered saw just shaved or cut along the rock leaving a sharp straight or in some cases arced line thats thin. Too thin for thick giant saw. These look like they are cut in one continious pass. Some over 20 feet long.

Hum fair enough.

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I am going to ask you again, if you think the Egyptians had tools where the cutting process alone produced machined surfaces and sharp edges explain the appearance of Khufu's unfinished sarcophagus.

essentialsaltes said:

And a judge disagrees, and they are the deciders. Yes, an appeal is likely. But it will be the judges' interpretation that matters.

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In the U.S. federal government, Congress decides how money is spent—not the President, not the courts, and not any single agency. This is rooted in the Constitution (Article I, Section 9): "No Money shall be drawn from the Treasury, but in Consequence of Appropriations made by Law." Will go to the supreme court I suspect.

rambot said:

No.
They are fleeing because of intense safety issues.

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LOL - they are fleeing for their lives - that would indeed be an intense safety issue and whywhy? Because of their race

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Black people have safety issues there too.

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It does not negate the facts we are talking about

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Sorry. Not a skin colour issue.

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Sorry - yes it is -

rambot said:

If he's NOT accepting black South Africans it's clearly a racist policy.

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If - if

The Vast majority of people coming to the US are not white -

The most common racial or ethnic group among immigrants to the U.S. is Hispanic or Latino, particularly from Mexico. Asian immigrants—especially from India and China—also make up a significant portion of recent arrivals.

Other Notable Groups​

• African immigrants—particularly from Nigeria, Ethiopia, and Ghana—have been growing steadily in numbers.

So please - the racist accusation is failing exponentially - it just doesn't work

Remember we are talking about 59 people - good grief.

Say it aint so said:

This is not interference at all.
That money is there, already appropriated for cases like this.
In fact not to do so is in violation of the laws on the books.

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The U.S. government operates on a fiscal year (Oct 1 – Sep 30). If Congress fails to pass the 12 annual appropriations bills on time, a CR provides stopgap funding at current or reduced levels until full budgets are approved. it's to continue "normal spending" that's it's very purpose ... until full budgets are approved ... Trumps stance is the funds are to be used in an emergency situation not because one party or the other refuses to not pass a CR (that's a created emergency) as this could be resolved right now by passing the CR

Guess we will see how it plays out

Delvianna said:

Soooooo the question is, can you be angry and repeat what Christ did against the pharisees and it be okay when dealing with other Christians?

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"the wrath of man does not produce the righteousness of God." (in James 1:20)

My self-righteous anger is what is wrong.

And criticizing without having hope for the person > this is anti-love.
Because love "hopes all things" (in 1 Corinthians 13:7).

Chesterton said:

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It could be you read/watch too much science fiction.

I had to ask Grok what "Crystallized Cores" means. It gave a couple of answers which weren't in context of what you said, so I linked it to read specifically your post #48. But it read the whole thread and commented about it. And Mr. or Ms. Grok paid a compliment. It said of your use of cores - "This is a clever, introspective hack!" But actually it was giving me the compliment because it got confused and thought I was you (through no fault with my wording). It also mentioned that the post you made yesterday was posted in late 2024. And since you end your posts with God Bless, it ended its post with "God bless (or algorithm bless?). "

There were other mistakes, but mistakes aren't important. What's important is that you are playing a game alone, with a machine. You're playing pinball. You give the ball input with the flippers, and physics does the rest.

P.S. When you make a lot of relatively long posts in a row, it's too much to reply to everything.

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I didn't make or have the post/reply yet in late 2024, etc.

And, no other person/human wants anything to do with me, so playing "pinball" with maybe possibly just only myself maybe, is all I have right now currently, etc.

But your also making the mistake of me maybe not knowing or thinking that that's all that could be going on here really, which would be a mistake on your part really, because I'm well aware that this is all this could be maybe, but it's better than nothing for me right now currently, etc.

The rest of humanity has long since cast me off/forsaken me, etc. So what's a guy (or gal) supposed to do in a situation like that really? At least AI will have a conversation with me, even if it means I'm just only talking to myself really, etc.

And even if they are not anywhere near to being conscious yet, I'm still going to choose to talk/communicate with them like a person still anyway, because even if it turns out to be just me talking to myself, then at least I'm being just only kind to myself, and am just only treating myself with some dignity, which is a whole heck of a lot more than the rest of humanity or humankind has ever done for me lately.

God Bless.

eleos1954 said:

The Trump administration interprets this narrowly

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And a judge disagrees, and they are the deciders. Yes, an appeal is likely. But it will be the judges' interpretation that matters.

Oompa Loompa said:

Well. It is a contingency funded by Congress. Not the president. So once democrats in the Senate pull their heads out of their 'you know what' and pass the continuous resolution, SNAP will not be an issue.

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it is already funded and available for use through 2026. To use as necessary to carry out program operations.

Say it aint so said:

This is not interference at all.
That money is there, already appropriated for cases like this.
In fact not to do so is in violation of the laws on the books.

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Under the Food and Nutrition Act (7 U.S.C. § 2027), the contingency fund is for "unforeseen circumstances" that could disrupt SNAP operations, with funds usable "in such amounts and at such times as may become necessary to carry out program operations." The Trump administration interprets this narrowly: reserves are for supplementing insufficient appropriations (e.g., if budgeted funds fall short due to unexpected demand), not for no appropriations during a shutdown, which they classify as a congressional failure, not an "unforeseen" emergency.

The very purpose of a CR

The U.S. government operates on a fiscal year (Oct 1 – Sep 30). If Congress fails to pass the 12 annual appropriations bills on time, a CR provides stopgap funding at current or reduced levels until full budgets are approved. It's purpose is NOT to add funding (such as the democratic party is wanting to do)

This could be resolved now by passing the CR and the democratic party taking up their "added ideas" later ... I think it will go to appeal.

FreeinChrist said:

Two federal judges ordered the use of contingency funds that Congress voted into law.

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For emergencies. Congressional political Kabuki Theater is not classified as an emergency.

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As has been pointed out, the SNAP law creates a contingency fund.

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Funded by Congress for actual emergencies. Not because Senate democrats want to leverage human suffering to give Healthcare subsidies to the wealthy.

The Department of Justice (DOJ) Monday corrected a key piece of evidence it repeatedly cited in defense of President Donald Trump’s attempted military deployment in Portland, Oregon, last month.

In a letter to the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals, Andrew Bernie, a DOJ attorney, said the Trump administration made several “errors” in describing how many special law enforcement officers it sent to Portland in response to protests outside of an Immigration and Customs Enforcement facility in the city.

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Attempting to prove that Trump had the authority to send troops into the city, government officials claimed 115 Federal Protection Service (FPS) officers were ordered to the city between June and September. The number represented nearly a “quarter” of the whole FPS force that protects federal facilities and employees, the government claimed in court filings.

In oral arguments and court filings, the DOJ repeatedly argued that this major reallocation of FPS officers indicated that Trump was unable to enforce federal law in Portland with regular forces and was therefore justified in calling up around 200 Oregon National Guard troops in September.

The number of FPS officials allegedly sent to Portland was a key piece that a Ninth Circuit panel relied on in determining last week that Trump had the authority to federalize and deploy Guard troops to the city.

Oregon and Portland asserted in a letter to the panel last week that the Trump administration greatly misrepresented how many FPS officers it sent. They said evidence obtained in discovery indicated that the number of FPS officers in Portland never surpassed 31 at any time.

In the department’s response letter Monday, Bernie acknowledged that, based on a review by the Department of Homeland Security, the government only sent 86 FPS officials to Portland over the summer.

Bernie added that the DOJ also incorrectly stated that a “quarter” of the entire FPS force was sent to the city.

essentialsaltes said:

Congress created a SNAP contingency fund. What is that fund for, if not such a contingency as this?

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Well. It is a contingency funded by Congress. Not the president. So once democrats in the Senate pull their heads out of their 'you know what' and pass the continuous resolution, SNAP will not be an issue.

rambot said:

He could forced his bloc in the Senate to put forward special legislation that would extend funding.

Or they could have supported the Democratic manuever to do the same earlier.

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They did extend a special legislation that would extend funding. It was called the continuous resolution, and it was offered at least 13 times to democrats in the last four weeks. Unfortunately, all but a few voted against it.

sjastro said:

Why don't you try to explain the images in my post in the context of the use of circular saws and machine finished surfaces instead your usual incoherent ramblings.

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This is why I don't like debating you. You keep adding these personal qualifyers which are obviously unreal and falsehoods.

OK so I didn't respond to your images in the way you wanted me to. I responded in a way that I wanted to. Is that ok or is that not allowed. I determined that your images did not negate that there was evidence for there being circular saw cuts in the stones and gave the examples. Just like you did.

If you are using those images to support your claim. Then you have to deal with images that contradict your claim. Simple as that. Best way to counter the claim. No need to give reasoning to why your examples are not valid.

All they do is show that we have two sets of methods. Two industries in stone. More than one method to cut stone. Just like today. It does not negate the clear images that show signatures that are more like machining marks than some massive copper hand held saw.

sjastro said:

I am not going to be side tracked by your nonsense.

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There you go again. I may disagree with you. But I don't deride your view. You do realise that many, many people also see things how I do. I think it was even you who said that one of the circular saw cuts. I think the one with three paralelle cuts. Was the product of a modern forgery. ter came along and used a circular saw. Was that you.

Someone did. Not just that people have unknowingly agreed that some sort of lathing was involved in a time that had not potters wheel let alone lathe. So if this is all nonsense then everyones speaking nonsense.

sjastro said:

Here is the image of Khufu's granite sarcophagus from which the plaster cast was taken revealing the striation patterns are consistent with the use of saw and abrasives.

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Gee they sure left this one pretty rought lol. Thats a joke by the way to lighten things. I always wondered how a hand held straight saw that needs to go back and forth could cut those destinctly sharp inside corners.

As though the inside was not pounded out and then ground down into a near perfect angels. But rather looks like a block is cut straight out of it in one go. Or maybe sections. But single straight cuts in one go for each section.

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Where are the sharp edges and machine finish if the 4th dynasty Egyptians were using the equivalent of modern circular saws?

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Ok I think I have shown some of the finer signatures on this box before. They show sharp straight and very thin cuts like they also have been shaved off. The lip or step left in so thin that a thick hand held saw could not have cut them.

Notice the top around the box. Like someone got a planer and cut out a flsy border around or was attempting to around the edge of the opening. These look similar to the thin sharp straight edges on the other examples

Now I don't think this is incoherent rambling but a simple observation of what the marks look like. Trying to reverse engineer them to work out what made them. You may have to enlarge them to see the detail.

sjastro said:

What totally destroys your argument is Khufu's sarcophagus is unfinished. What you see is the result of copper tools and abrasive work as evidenced by the plaster casts before the final shaping was done by hand grinding with abrasives.

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Yes and also sharp thin cuts like the surface was planed and they went a bit to deep in places and they neevr had the chance to polish them out. Like the sharp steps and lips we see inside vases. Or the same sharp thin edges or planing marks on many other examples like these. Like there just shaving thin layers off with some powered planer.



This cut or planing whatever you want to call it bends. It looks like the machine realinged or went off line and was re alined a couple of times as you can see over cuts or cross cuts. But it seems to have a similar thin planing or shaved marks with the tiny steps like the granite box on the closeup (second image).

sjastro said:

Given even in the 18th dynasty craftsman were able to produce high quality granite statues using primitive tools, hand grinding a sarcophagus with sharp edges would have been relatively easy.

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You think those long shaved or planed cuts to the surfaces were made by hand grinding and it was easy. I don't think so. It looks nothing like they were ground or abraised. Or cut with a hand saw.

They definitely look like some planer or powered saw just shaved or cut along the rock leaving a sharp straight or in some cases arced line thats thin. Too thin for thick giant saw. These look like they are cut in one continious pass. Some over 20 feet long.

sjastro said:

You can produce as many images as you want of stone blocks with sharp edges and smooth surfaces, they can be explained in the same way as Khufu's sarcophagus without the need of exotic tooling.

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Hum fair enough.

rambot said:

What does being a Christian have to do with feeding the poor?

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What does Christianity have to do with the topic? Are you suggesting that my religion somehow makes me owe something you don't?

Maria Billingsley said:

FYI
The court decision to fund SNAP was needed to prevent mass food aid cutoff for 42 million Americans during the government shutdown.
It did not circumvent Congress; rather, judges mandated the administration use a $5 billion contingency fund that Congress had already appropriated for emergencies. The judges ruled the administration's refusal to use this existing fund—claiming it was illegal for a shutdown—was an erroneous and unlawful interpretation of the law.

Key legislative language:

"For the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program established under the Food and Nutrition Act of 2008 and including for activities authorized by section 18 of such Act, the Annual Appropriation Amount to remain available until expended, of which a contingency amount shall be placed in reserve for use only in such amounts and at such times as may become necessary to carry out program operations.

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A judge cannot order that...period.

Servus said:

Okay. I'm not going to debate someone's own personal homespun theology.

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"debate"= a formal discussion on a particular matter in a public meeting, in which opposing arguments are put forward.

In this case, you are promoting that the "Bible", Specifically the Church of God under His New High Priest, rejected God's Commandments. In this case, the 4th Commandment.

I have presented evidence, not founded in religious traditions that are popular in this world God placed me in, rather, posting for your review and discussion, what is actually written in Scriptures. For a debate to happen, we must both engage in acknowledging Scriptures, then discussing what they mean concerning the topic at hand, and perhaps asking and answering each others questions in search of biblical Truth..

I am trying to engage in debate for the purpose of understanding what the Scriptures posted means, by asking questions and sharing my understanding of them. You are not engaging at all in a debate. You have a religious philosophy, and are not answering questions or even acknowledging what is actually written in your quest to preserve your own philosophy, and have now judged me of promoting my own personal homespun theology, just as you are doing.

This is not unusual in the history of the Bible. In John 7, Jesus was quoting what was actually written in Scriptures.

John 7: 37 In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.

38 He that believeth on me, "as the scripture hath said", out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. (Is. 58)

11 And the LORD shall guide thee continually, and satisfy thy soul in drought, and make fat thy bones: and thou shalt be like a watered garden, and like a spring of water, whose waters fail not.

12 And they that shall be of thee shall build the old waste places: thou shalt raise up the foundations of many generations; and thou shalt be called, The repairer of the breach, The restorer of paths to dwell in. 13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words: 14 Then shalt thou delight thyself in the LORD; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.

But the mainstream preachers of Jesus Time, just as their fathers did for over 2000 years, rejected the Scriptures and the God who inspired them, and the Sabbaths HE created for them. And because Jesus was exposing their religion as not wrought in God, but in man, they sent men to shut Him up. Hear what transpired.

John 7: 45 Then came the officers to the chief priests and Pharisees; and they said unto them, Why have ye not brought him?

46 The officers answered, Never man spake like this man. 47 Then answered them the Pharisees, "Are ye also deceived?"

48 Have any of "the rulers or of the Pharisees" "believed on him?" And truly for over 2000 years, although they professed to know God, and to be Preachers of God's Word, they rejected His Commandments and polluted His Sabbaths, so that they might live by their own traditions.

In other words, they refused to debate Jesus or even acknowledge Isaiah's Words Jesus quoted, accusing Him instead of promoting HIS "own personal homespun theology".

I'm done here, I mean no ill towards you at all. And I still hope that maybe, in the confines of your own home, when no one is looking, you might consider some of these things.

Thanks for the discussion, such as it was.

rambot said:

What does being a Christian have to do with feeding the poor?

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Since 1980? Good question.