Fact-checking Trump's 60 minutes interview

[Richard T]

It is proven out in the fact that their approval rate is 33

Sorry the GOP got clobbered. DEM gov races in VA and NJ, Cali redistricting approved and the NYC mayors race. I think it only gets worse from here. I hope the GOP is careful when they redistrict Texas. a few percent swing and some of those new districts might not be red. Removing the filibuster is risky too.

 

[Vambram]

Sorry the GOP got clobbered. DEM gov races in VA and NJ, Cali redistricting approved and the NYC mayors race. I think it only gets worse from here. I hope the GOP is careful when they redistrict Texas. a few percent swing and some of those new districts might not be red.

The GOP got "clobbered" in places that are long-standing progressive liberal states. I am not shocked that the Democratic Party appears to becoming the Democratic Socialist Party.

 

[Richard T]

The GOP got "clobbered" in places that are long-standing progressive liberal states. I am not shocked that the Democratic Party appears to becoming the Democratic Socialist Party.

True with the exception of Virginia. I don't prescribe to the notion that NYC or any socialist will lead the democratic party. I guess we will see how it goes in the midterms and with the economy.

 

[hedrick]

The negative ratings of Democrats is kind of interesting. See Trump's disapproval rating rises in new poll, but Americans also call Dems 'out of touch' for documentation. It's real. People think Democrats are out of touch. Still the same poll says slightly more would vote for a Democrat than Republican.

I think there may be a difference between the national leadership and the candiates. A lot of Democrats are upset at the party for not reacting well to Trump. I agree. I think we need a generation change in national Democratic leadership. But that doesn't affect my evaluation of specific candidates, where often the Democratic candidate is better.

Personally I blame Biden for not dropping out sooner. He left the party with little alternative to the VP. She is not someone who would have been picked in a proper convention. Her campaign of joy was completely wrong for a nation where many people rightly feel left out. Out of touch indeed.

 

[hedrick]

True with the exception of Virginia. I don't prescribe to the notion that NYC or any socialist will lead the democratic party. I guess we will see how it goes in the midterms and with the economy.

Right. There were concerns about NJ, and of course Virginia has gone back and forth. So the election is at least moderately encouraging for Democrats. However you also have to factor in the candidates. I think NJ Republicans picked a bad candidate for governor. NY City, too.

I have no idea how I would have voted if I were in NY city. I don't think Mamdani is going to be able to fund what he wants to do. But free buses are not exactly communism.

I doubt Democrats are going to become the same everywhere. You'll see more socialism some places. I doubt you'll see it in national candidates.

 

[iluvatar5150]

The negative ratings of Democrats is kind of interesting. See Trump's disapproval rating rises in new poll, but Americans also call Dems 'out of touch' for documentation. It's real. People think Democrats are out of touch. Still the same poll says slightly more would vote for a Democrat than Republican.

I think there may be a difference between the national leadership and the candiates. A lot of Democrats are upset at the party for not reacting well to Trump. I agree. I think we need a generation change in national Democratic leadership. But that doesn't affect my evaluation of specific candidates, where often the Democratic candidate is better.

Personally I blame Biden for not dropping out sooner. He left the party with little alternative to the VP. She is not someone who would have been picked in a proper convention. Her campaign of joy was completely wrong for a nation where many people rightly feel left out. Out of touch indeed.

I think there's a phenomenon across all of Professional America wherein incumbent leaders hold power for too long and become isolated and wind up living in a bubble, out-of-touch from what's happening on the ground. I don't think what Biden, Schumer, and many other Dems have done is substantially different than what I've seen at loads of businesses and other orgs where both middle managers and execs park themselves for a while because they have a cushy job that they (think they) understand. They don't develop leaders under them and they don't prep the organization for succession, so when they finally do leave, there's a vacuum.

There are a number of things different about the right - some rules, some vibes, some media - that help keep their turnover higher, so they're less susceptible to this, but they're hardly immune.

 

[hedrick]

I think there's a phenomenon across all of Professional America wherein incumbent leaders hold power for too long and become isolated and wind up living in a bubble, out-of-touch from what's happening on the ground. I don't think what Biden, Schumer, and many other Dems have done is substantially different than what I've seen at loads of businesses and other orgs where both middle managers and execs park themselves for a while because they have a cushy job that they (think they) understand. They don't develop leaders under them and they don't prep the organization for succession, so when they finally do leave, there's a vacuum.

There are a number of things different about the right - some rules, some vibes, some media - that help keep their turnover higher, so they're less susceptible to this, but they're hardly immune.

Yes. In a sense Trump is a demonstration of this for Republicans. He replaced a leadership that was arguably just as out of touch. It's always easier to do that when your party is out of power. In principle that should now happen for Democrats. I think there's some evidence that it's going to. We'll see what happens for 2028. Republican leaders didn't go easily. They really only started supporting Trump when he won. Democratic leaders aren't going easily either, but I think they're going to.

 

[iluvatar5150]

Yes. In a sense Trump is a demonstration of this for Republicans. He replaced a leadership that was arguably just as out of touch. It's always easier to do that when your party is out of power. In principle that should now happen for Democrats. I think there's some evidence that it's going to. We'll see what happens for 2028. Republican leaders didn't go easily. They really only started supporting Trump when he won. Democratic leaders aren't going easily either, but I think they're going to.

Yeah, we'll see. Dems are naturally more institutionalist, more policy-oriented, and less inclined towards cults of personality, so the incumbents have a stronger hold on things. Republicans started moving when their media ecosystem encouraged primary challenges from extremists. We don't have that ecosystem (nor do I want it).

 

[Say it aint so]

The negative ratings of Democrats is kind of interesting. See Trump's disapproval rating rises in new poll, but Americans also call Dems 'out of touch' for documentation. It's real. People think Democrats are out of touch. Still the same poll says slightly more would vote for a Democrat than Republican.

I think there may be a difference between the national leadership and the candiates. A lot of Democrats are upset at the party for not reacting well to Trump. I agree. I think we need a generation change in national Democratic leadership. But that doesn't affect my evaluation of specific candidates, where often the Democratic candidate is better.

Personally I blame Biden for not dropping out sooner. He left the party with little alternative to the VP. She is not someone who would have been picked in a proper convention. Her campaign of joy was completely wrong for a nation where many people rightly feel left out. Out of touch indeed.

I pretty much agree with all of this. In 2020 Harris had to drop out even before the first caucus. Nothing would have changed in 2024.