When i was in college back in the 80's i had no idea what the teachers political beliefs were.

Phil G said:

I speak for myself when I say that about 9 years ago I went about questioning the shape of the earth. Not one claim by flat earthers stood up to scrutiny for me.

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That's b/c you never looked into it enough.

Kathleen30 said:

The holes in the ozone are a natural occurrence . I never said they weren’t real. Only that all the climate change propaganda saying that humanity was the cause of it all with all of humanity’s pollution that was the lie . And again the holes increase and decrease as they please. Do remember climate change is a big business and also a way to control society.

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I'm sorry but I think you got that back to front!

Climate scientists might earn $100k a year - but a Big Oil CEO probably earns that in their lunchbreak. Tell me - who has more motivation to lie?

Who has been CAUGHT lying? Exxon scientists predicted global warming with 'shocking skill and accuracy,' Harvard researchers say

Climate scientists are data driven people analysing tough questions in a slow and methodical and laborious way, trying to help the human race. Yet they get death threats from the foaming-at-the-mouth alt right for this valuable work? What has them so outraged? Ah - they perceive there are those who want to "control society". You said you believe in conspiracy theories? The link above proves one!

Also, climate change IS a thing. It's almost backyard science - indeed - Mythbusters proved the basic physics. In 1856 Eunice Foote put identical thermometers in identical glass jars in identical sunlight and filled them with different gases. Lo and behold! The CO2 jar was hot - and the methane jar even hotter! Imagine! Science works! Basically - this was old, settled physics before our grandparents even went to kindergarten.

Other points to consider:-

Why own an EV?
CHEAPER! Electricity as a fuel is cheaper than oil, and EV’s have no engine to service. Over the life of the vehicle they are cheaper. Soon they’ll be cheaper to buy outright!

PATRIOTIC
If we remain dependent on oil, we prop up the oil price so Petro-Tyrants like Russia and various Middle East types make extra profits. If the price lowers, we bankrupt our enemies.

POLLUTION COSTS MORE THAN THE SOLUTION!
4 universities studied global fossil fuel pollution: it kills 8 million people a year - that’s 1 in 5 deaths in 2018.
Deaths from fossil fuel emissions higher than previously thought
The EXTRA health costs to the world is $5 TRILLION a year.
Stop funding pollution
IEA estimates we only need to spend $4 Trillion a year on the Energy Transition. https://www.iea.org/reports/net-zero-by-2050
The sooner we do this, the sooner it pays for itself!

OIL IS FINITE
Oil does not run out any time soon - maybe in 50 years or so. But that's not what is important. Peak oil means after decades of ramping up a field is at its peak - and then starts to decline. GLOBAL peak oil means global oil output will peak - and then start to decline. Imagine the price? Imagine the geopolitical tensions - when it takes 10 calories of energy to grow 1 calorie of food?
At current rates - Oil RUNS OUT in about 50-ish years. Gas is less, and even COAL just over a century.
Years of fossil fuel reserves left

QUESTION: considering Japan bombed pear harbour because they were under an energy embargo - can you see any potential downsides to NOT preparing for peak oil? It takes a decent amount of energy to mine and refine the various metals for batteries. The long term goal is to not use any fossil fuels - and recycle all these metals we've mined into the new EV's. But the first generation is going to take some oil to get there! How about we prepare BEFORE some kind of peak oil Armageddon? Sounds like an idea to me! Peak oil - Wikipedia

Jn 6:44

44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

The drawing of the Father of some to come to/believe in Christ is actually the Father giving them to His Son Jn 6:65

65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.

Again Jn 6:37

All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

This is the only way a man can come to believe in Christ, it can be only by the will of the Father, not mans so called freewill.

See the natural mans will as he is, is dead, spiritually dead in sin, hes in a hopeless lost state, and not only cannot come, but will not come /believe Jn 5:40, and Rom 3:11.

The word given in Jn 6:65 and giveth in Jn 6:37 is the same word δίδωμί and it means:

to give one to some one as his own: as the object of his saving care, to give one to someone, to follow him as a leader and master,

God is said to have given certain men to Christ, i. e. to have disposed them to acknowledge Christ as the author and medium of their salvation, and to enter into intimate relations with him, hence Christ calls them 'his own' (τὰ ἐμά, John 10:14).

So we have God causing them to be willing in the day of His Power Ps 110:3

3 Thy people shall be willing in the day of thy power, in the beauties of holiness from the womb of the morning: thou hast the dew of thy youth.

NxNW said:

And by accepting Trump's pardon, they all admitted guilt.

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Does this logic apply to Hunter, Fauci and Liz Chaney? Were all of the autopen recipients guilty? Thanks for shedding light on those guilty pardoned for us.

Here is another song from John 14:27.

My peace I give unto you
It's a peace that the world
Cannot give
It's a peace that the world
Cannot understand
Peace to know, peace to live
My peace I give unto you

My love I give unto you
It's love that the world
Cannot give
It's a love that the world
Cannot understand
Love to know, love to live
My love I give unto you
It's a love that the world
Cannot understand
My love I give unto you

essentialsaltes said:

I logically deduce the accusations are not true.

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You may be in for a surprise and disappointment!

iluvatar5150 said:

The released documents are available on the relevant DNI page here, under the link erroneously labeled "report":

Declassified Evidence of Obama Administration Conspiracy to Subvert President Trump’s 2016 Victory and Presidency

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www.dni.gov

It's not a report. It's just a bunch of emails and other docs concatenated into a single pdf.

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well , you may think that , but after reading this email I finally came to the conclusion that Obama was born in Kenya.

Always in His Presence said:

Because they were concealed.

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What was the purpose of creating these documents?

I would be willing to bet, that many of those people had a belief in some type of work based salvation. And after awhile the burden of tying to earn eternal life by the way they were living just took it's toll.

I will also add that if a person has believed in Jesus for God's free gift of Eternal Life. It does not matter if they now identify as an atheist, they are still a born again child of God and will spend eternity with God.

Xeno.of.athens said:

I would not pick the LSB because I am a Catholic and LSB is intended for Protestants who accept only 66 books in their bibles.

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Yes, I get that - I also would value to have the Apocrypha readily available - there is still very useful; and many ideas/quotes in the NT actually come from those books. Still I value the Hebrew ranking of authority: TNK - Torah, Prophets and Writings. Even Yeshua adhered to that. As far as I know even the collection what we now call OT was not fully crystallised yet in Yeshua's time (Song of Songs was still contested).

Warden_of_the_Storm said:

Gottservant truly had the strangest threads, I say.

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Gottservant had a unique worldview that informed every aspect of his posts. This was simultaneously touching, frustrating, bewildering and sad. @Ligurian simply has a misplaced bee in his bonnet.

Specifically Bombus muscorum subsp. celticus Yarrow, 1978, the Celtic bumblebee.

Valletta said:

The Bible does not give us a list of objects that will be there in the future. Some objects did survive into modern times and some did not. While the Bible says nothing specifically about a relic of the cross, it does mention relics.

Acts 19:12 so that handkerchiefs or aprons were carried away from his body to the sick, and diseases left them and the evil spirits came out of them. RSVCE

Luke 14:27 Whoever does not bear his own cross and come after me, cannot be my disciple. RSVCE

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Handkerchiefs and aprons were not relics if you are defining a relic as the word is commonly used. They were just everyday common objects and this was done only by Paul (according to The Bible).

Now God worked unusual miracles by the hands of Paul,

relic /rĕl′ĭk/ noun
1. Something that has survived the passage of time, especially an object or custom whose original culture has disappeared.
2. Something cherished for its age or historic interest.
3. An object kept for its association with the past; a memento.

I am not denying that for a believer to be a disciple, they must leave a worldly life to be a disciple of Jesus. To cast their lot with Jesus and to bear shame as a believer and even die (in some cases). Which was very likely back then when Jesus stated this.
But saying that a person must bear his on cross is not speaking about a physical cross.

Phil G said:

Putting words in my mouth I see. No, the evidence debunking accusations against moon landings is easy to understand & makes perfect sense. The accusations against moon landings are just that - accusations & nothing more…by people who either can’t understand simple science or are deliberately pushing lies.

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Pushing the truth more like.

pastorwaris said:

Thank you for your thoughtful comment. You’ve raised an important concern about the spirit in which church discipline is carried out, and I wholeheartedly agree that any form of discipline must be rooted in love, humility, and spiritual discernment not ego or a desire to control. If discipline becomes about power or pride, it absolutely becomes toxic and contrary to the Spirit of Christ.


That said, I’d also like to challenge the notion that biblical church discipline itself is a relic of “fundamentalism” or inherently oppressive. It’s not about legalism or manipulation; rather, it’s a biblical command rooted in love and restoration. When Jesus says in Matthew 18:15–17, “If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault… if he listens to you, you have gained your brother,” He’s not teaching control He’s showing us the path of redemptive love.


The Apostle Paul didn’t shy away from discipline either not because he was ego-driven, but because he genuinely cared for the spiritual health of the Church. In 1 Corinthians 5, Paul addressed serious sin not because he wanted to condemn, but because he desired repentance, restoration, and protection for the body of Christ.


You’re absolutely right that discernment is key. Not every issue requires public rebuke or removal from fellowship. Church discipline should never be about embarrassing or shaming people it should be about calling them back to life in Christ. But at the same time, to neglect all forms of discipline under the banner of compassion is to allow sin to fester unchecked, which ultimately harms the Church and dishonors God.


We live in a culture that increasingly sees any correction as judgmental or harsh, but Scripture calls us to a higher love a love that speaks the truth even when it’s hard. Hebrews 12:6 reminds us, “The Lord disciplines the one He loves.” In the same way, the church should be a place of grace and truth not one or the other.


So I think we need to be honest: the problem today isn’t that too many churches are abusing discipline it’s that many are avoiding it altogether out of fear of backlash or cultural pressure. The result is a weakened, compromised witness.


Let’s not throw out the biblical model because some have mishandled it. Instead, let’s redeem it practice discipline with humility, wisdom, love, and always with the goal of restoration. That’s not anti-Christ that’s Christ’s very heart for His Church.

Blessings to you as we continue to sharpen one another in love.

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Anybody that treats discipline casually should remember, "with what measure you judge, it will be judged against you". Only the most egregious sins warrant church discipline in the form of expulsion, ones that threaten the good order of a church. Using it to shame, humiliate, or control other people isn't right.

David Lamb said:

Your link takes me to 153 News. Do you know anything about that organisation? I have never heard of it, and someone has said here that it isn't a trustworthy source.

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Which doesn't surprise me