SabbathBlessings said:

Unbelief is hearing God's Word and not doing it.

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Right, Praxis, putting belief into action.

NxNW said:

You're confusing hypothesis with theory. A scientific theory is a hypothesis that has been confirmed with massive amounts of evidence.

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I wouldn't call that a uniform usage in science. A theory is generally a model that explains a broad range of evidence, but it's quite acceptable to have two competing models that explain the same evidence and for which there is not yet evidence to distinguish them. Or for a theory to explain the same evidence as an existing model and to offer a tentative explanation for data that is hard to explain under the prior model, without yet being clearly superior.

Pommer said:

That’d fit real nice on a bumpersticker!

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Now why didn't I think of that!
Mind if I borrow that idea?

Pommer said:

But why’s it a good thing to have the Capital City of our nation trussed up so tightly?

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Why is it a good thing to have the homeless living on the streets and the criminals running the streets?

JustaPewFiller said:

From the article linked in the OP..
The above quote solidifies what I was thinking.
I mentioned in another thread somewhere that Trump recently issued this executive order.

Ending Crime and Disorder on America's Streets

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, it is hereby ordered: Section 1. Purpose and

www.whitehouse.gov

One of the lines in the executive order is..
I think Trump is planning to use DC as a test case for how to implement this executive order before he implements it more broadly in other cities.
The forcefully putting the homeless somewhere, rounding up criminals, etc.. its all in the order.

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Are you in favor of leaving the homeless and criminals on the streets?

loveofourlord said:

First the first tax was questionably legal to begin with and set by the previous administration, as for electricity considering the other things being taxed and talk about isolating alaska, not doing 1 thing that hurts americans more then anything else is different. What canada has been doing is targeting the very people that voted trump into power.

While on other side canada is hurting many american buisnsses that rely on trade and tourism, reducing trade with the US on the stuff the US needs and some how thinks tariffing will improve the US. Where is the US going to get it's potash and steel and such, not from the US.

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They still think they're winning, so it doesn't matter how much they are really losing. Any actual worsening of their situation is quickly ignored with statements like "it has to get worse before it gets better".

AdB said:

This is a really interesting take, however I have some doubts...

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Not a problem. Honest doubts are a good thing.

AdB said:

1. This would mean 144000 (only men who never had intercourse as per verse 4) had risen from their graves on that day, sound to me like really many for that occasion...

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YES, it really was an astounding number, considering. It was what gave rise to the error being taught by Hymenaeus and Philetus who were saying "the resurrection is PAST already". So many were resurrected on that day in AD 33 that these two men were mistakenly teaching that this past event was the ONLY bodily resurrection that would ever take place. They were overthrowing the faith of some who despaired that their dead loved ones in Christ had "missed the boat", so to speak. Paul had to correct that error in 1 Thess. 4 and in 1 Cor. 15:22-24, where Paul listed a total of THREE bodily resurrection events which would take place consecutively over time. - first "Christ the First-fruits" (and that 144,000 "First-fruits" group raised in AD 33). "Afterwards" those who were Christ's at His coming (in AD 70), "THEN the END, when He shall have delivered up the kingdom to God..." (in our future).

I wouldn't get too hung up on the "virgin" status of these individuals. After all, since there is "no marriage or giving in marriage" in the bodily-resurrected state, these "virgins" could have been a combination of male and female. Their not having been "defiled by women" I believe was a reference to the woman prophetess in those days named "Jezebel" (Rev. 2:20) who was teaching the servants of God to commit fornication and to eat things offered to idols (called the "doctrine of Balaam"). Both women and men were falling prey to this lascivious doctrine in those days according to the NT epistles, but it did not affect any of the 144,000 glorified Matthew 27:52-53 "First-fruits" who were "sealed" in a perfected state and were therefore immune to this temptation.

AdB said:

2. Did they follow Jesus up into Heaven as per verse 4, there is only mention of Jesus ascending..

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You're right - ONLY Jesus ascended to heaven in Acts 1. No other resurrected person ascended to heaven's temple until the seven plagues were poured out (Rev. 15:8). Those Matt. 27 "First-fruits" remained on the earth to serve in the early church (as those "gifts to men" in Ephesians 4:8). This is why the 144,000 were the only ones who could "learn that song", because their experience was going to be a unique one.

The 144,000 resurrected Matt. 27 saints were also the "First-fruits" which Paul said the church had in Romans 8:23. These "First-fruits" were also eagerly awaiting the "redemption of the body" for the rest of the dead saints in AD 70, when together with them, they would be caught up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. Paul indirectly referred to the 144,000 by calling them those who were "alive" but who had "remained" on the earth (1 Thess. 4). They were "alive" because they had already been MADE alive in a bodily resurrection process. ONLY bodily resurrected saints were to be "raptured" at that point of Christ's second coming.

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3. If they did not ascend into Heaven, then they would be living the rest of their lives with resurected bodies, but how did they then eventually die (because they did)

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NO, a second physical death experience is not even possible for a resurrected person. "Neither CAN they die anymore, but are equal to the angels..." (Luke 20:35-36) "...It is appointed unto men ONCE to die, and after that the judgment." (Heb. 9:27)

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4. If they rose only with their mortal bodies (lile Lazarus) then they wouldn't be equally resurrected as Jesus was...

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Lazarus never died a second time either. Neither did anybody else raised to life in the OT and the NT. That is a common assumption, but that idea of a "double jeopardy" with dying twice contradicts the two scriptures I gave above. Everybody bodily-resurrected in the Scriptures retained that glorified status, just like Christ, "who being raised from the dead DIETH NO MORE; death hath no more dominion over Him" (Rom. 6:9).

AdB said:

5. The "first resurrection" is mentioned as the resurrection right before the millennium starts, do you think we are in the millennium right now?

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No, the "First resurrection" ENDED the millennium of Rev. 20. That "remnant (loipoi) of the dead" which "came to life again" when the millennium was "finished" and "expired" WAS the "First resurrection" event which was composed of all the "First-fruits". Those "First-fruits" were only a "remnant" of the dead, which numbered 144,000 Jewish OT saints plus Christ. In other words, the raising of the Matthew 27:52-53 saints the same day as Christ arose ENDED the millennium of Rev. 20. It was a literal thousand years period, extending all the way back to the foundation stone of Solomon's temple being laid down in 968/ 967 BC. One thousand years later in AD 33, Christ became the fulfillment of that symbolism by becoming the "chief cornerstone" of the spiritual temple not made with hands. One thousand years of a God-authorized physical temple system was set aside for the New Covenant realities revealed in Christ.

loveofourlord said:

thats nothing acording to trump alaska is now russia.

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Maybe we'll nobly give back Alaska if Putin leaves Ukraine.

Clare73 said:

That's what happens when freedom is mistaken for license.

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That’d fit real nice on a bumpersticker!

But why’s it a good thing to have the Capital City of our nation trussed up so tightly?

Vambram said:

Donald Trump is NOT a pedophile and he is NOT a rapist.

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That depends on which State's definition of rape one uses. In almost every state, what he did to Carroll is rape. In NY, it's sexual assault.

Vambram said:

To assume otherwise without real evidence is an example of not living in the actual real reality, in my opinion.

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He was convicted on assault by a jury. Being in the Epstein files doesn't mean anything, unless it states what he did.

Having police/milatry patrolling the streets and avenues of DC will limit the access of [potential] protestors before the semiquincentennial.

Vambram said:

Wanna bet that Trump's name was never ever in the Epstein files?

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That sounds like an easy bet. He was told his name appears many times in the files.

Valletta said:

Actually for large groups of kids in a zone the curfew can be 8 P.M.

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Oh no, not a large group of kids. And 8pm is well outside school hours.

Valletta said:

It's a number of Democrat leaders who are becoming known for "wildly yelling."

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Ah, the ol’ “I know what you are but who am I?” Classic. A favorite of elementary kids the world over.

Nithavela said:

Lol

https://apnews.com/article/canada-ambassador-us-trump-hillman-9ced5ba12cd6526a2bbb4a810fa9af18

Canada Blinks: Trump’s Tariff Threat Forces Tax Surrender

Canada has just rescinded its digital services tax. The timing? Not a coincidence.

basstaxgroup.com

Canada surrenders to Donald Trump’s pressure, reverses electricity tariffs to avoid historic financial price

Canada rescinded its 25% electricity tariff on the US following threats from President Trump. Trump warned of severe financial repercussions and proposed increasing tariffs on Canadian steel and aluminum. The US president also suggested Canada should become the 51st state to resolve tariff...

economictimes.indiatimes.com

https://archive.ph/2025.06.11-194747/https://www.economist.com/the-americas/2025/06/11/carneys-colossal-canada-us-pact

Canada has been talking tough talk and then bending the knee during this entire trade war. Meanwhile, China imposed ludicrous counter-tarriffs until a stalemate was reached.

That's how you deal with Trump. Strength and an unwillingness to back down in front of schmoozing or badgering.

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First the first tax was questionably legal to begin with and set by the previous administration, as for electricity considering the other things being taxed and talk about isolating alaska, not doing 1 thing that hurts americans more then anything else is different. What canada has been doing is targeting the very people that voted trump into power.

While on other side canada is hurting many american buisnsses that rely on trade and tourism, reducing trade with the US on the stuff the US needs and some how thinks tariffing will improve the US. Where is the US going to get it's potash and steel and such, not from the US.

essentialsaltes said:

"possibly" of "interest" in this thread, with regard to "cognitive" ability.

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thats nothing acording to trump alaska is now russia.

chevyontheriver said:

He is yanking your chain hard.

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And it works so well. . .not to mention how much fun it is.

essentialsaltes said:

Vambram is making the stronger claim that Trump's name does not appear at all.

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Yes that is so.

Pommer said:

Gotta lockdown DC ahead of the 250th Celebration of FREEDOM!

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That's what happens when freedom is mistaken for license.

Dan Perez said:

And who was James writing to. , and does Mean any thing , Yes it does and read James 1:1 !!

dan p

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He wrote to the twelve tribes of Israel scattered abroad. Why do you ask? Do you have any thoughts at all on anything I said in post #2?

Oompa Loompa said:

Could you please provide any information in the Epstine files that remotely suggests Trump's illegal activities or involvement with Jeffery Epstine?

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Epstine?

Oompa Loompa said:

This is the part where you provide a source or evidence to prove your assertion. Personally, I think Trump may be mentioned on some of the documents, but nothing showing any criminal activity. Just because someone's name is in the documents, it doesnt make them a pedophile. Otherwise, Bill and Hillary are pedophiles, Oprah Winfrey, is a pedophile, and even the pilot of Epstine's jet is a pedophile. All guilty in the liberal court of public opinion (aka. The leftist mob.)

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I didn't say he was a pedophile just because his name was in the Epstein files. He did himself brag that he would walk into the dressing rooms in the Miss Teen Universe pageant and the girls would be undressed. That is not the normal for the pageants at all. Also, Michael Wolff, who wrote Fire and Fury, and had interviewed both Trump and Epstein, said that in the interview with Epstein, Epstein brought out a photo of Trump with a topless young teen on his lap. There is bad language in the sources I found but it is easily found via google.

wing2000 said:

I would not characterize their response as appeasement. They didn't back down...and now, Trump is punishing them because.....reasons.

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Lol





Canada has been talking tough talk and then bending the knee during this entire trade war. Meanwhile, China imposed ludicrous counter-tarriffs until a stalemate was reached.

That's how you deal with Trump. Strength and an unwillingness to back down in front of schmoozing or badgering.

funny how the people that are against raising minimum wage because it will raise prices, now are concerned about prices and no longer behind buisnesses making a profit but a loss.

DaisyDay said:

You really think martial law is the solution to minor crime?

Oddly, crime went down by approximately the same amount in most major US cities meaning that Giuliani's tactic of trampling citizens' rights based on race/ethnicity, gender, age and neighborhood traumatized a generation of young men for no good reason.

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Didn't do your rhomework, did you?

Valletta said:

The Washington D.C. Council passed emergency legislation this summer for youth curfew restrictions, and gave the police chief power to declare temporary juvenile curfew zones for four days at a time. So they are trying, and Trump said the mayor is trying, but the kids are out of control.

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Juvenile curfew? For school shootings…? In the summer…? Are you talking about the curfew that went into effect like a week ago? That wasn’t for school shootings, and the curfew is for 11pm, when no schools are open.

Serious question. Y’all even know who you’re being directed to believe is the issue this time, or are you just wildly yelling out demographics like it’s an episode of Who’s Line? Nobody seems coordinated on who to scapegoat this time. It’s either homeless, slums, or ATV riding yutes. Usually you guys are all on the same page on who the monster-of-the-week is.