BPPLEE said:

What about all that talk about corporate greed? Now you’re saying it’s a good thing? Corporations need to make more so they can pay more taxes?

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I said nothing about corporate greed. I spoke of losing hundreds of millions of revenue to 'save' tens of millions of spending. This increases the deficit.

ViaCrucis said:

I love the optimism that there'll even be a USA in 2028 to have an election. I wish I had that level of optimism.

-CryptoLutheran

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If Harris had been elected we certainly wouldnt have had a USA by then. Thankfully, Trump got elected. We finally are doing something about the things that were leading us down the wrong path. Like illegal.immigration, DEI, CRT, rhe queering of children, transgenderism, among other things.

Aldebaran said:

I wonder if he created the AI video himself. I've heard of AI vids like that, but it's beyond me as to how it's done.

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I don't know how it is done. Probably one of his team did it and he posted it.

You heard him. The GOP must own the unpopular SNAP cuts and unpopular Obamacare cuts.

chevyontheriver said:

I think if we are 'once saved always saved' and what we do with our lives really doesn't matter, then we are automatically and instantly and painlessly sanctified. But if what we do with our lives matters even a tiny bit then sanctification is a necessary endeavor. Those who are not completely sanctified by the time they die will not enter into the presence of the Lord. How do they get sanctified?

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I agree that it is in our relationship to the Lord in a life lived by faith ( Romans 1:17) for how long & how we live it. I believe Colossians 1:1-29 ( especially verses 10-24) gives us a great summary of the Lord as our God & Savior, salvation, & living by faith the role of works within it. If someone says to me that they are saved, my understanding is that’s great & keep the faith.

The fact that this thread is still going is quite amazing.

Servus said:

I asked it questions regarding fiction literature and it got characters from one story mixed up with another and so on.

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That sounds like the old Monty Python TV show, where ancient Roman centurions from one skit would walk into a modern London office building in a later skit.

I had something a little bit similar yesterday. I heard some classical music on the car radio where the beginning sounded exactly like the beginning of the famous Jaws movie music. Before it ended I had to park the car so I didn't hear the DJ say what music it was. When I got home I asked AI if there was any music that sounded like Jaws. It listed four possible answers. It can't hear music, it can only analyze digital info, so all it focused on was some music that used semi tones like Jaws, which they all did, but three of the possible answers sounded nothing like Jaws. And three of its answers were completely wrong, but the first one listed was right. The beginning of Dvorak's Symphony No. 9 is exactly like Jaws. So it did stumble upon the right answer, but for a weird technical reason.

An analogy might be if I asked it "What else is like my dog?", and since my dog is black, it names other things that are black, like my shoes, my car, etc. But at least it did give the correct answer amongst the noise. AI is fascinating and impressive, despite the weird technical "thinking".

The bad news is that the kids that got beat up in high school are working hard to get richer by making it better.

Desk trauma said:

The president joking about ignoring the 22 amendment, even selling merch about doing it , you know the topic of the thread. Now, what other parts of the constitution are funny to joke about ignoring?

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All of it. Many on the left have been talking for years about how the Constitution isnt some sacred document. Suddenly the Constitution is so sacred that no one can challenge it or joke about anything concerning it.

Actually, as I think about it, he's not joking about the Conatitution. He's poking fun at the liberals for thinking this is remotely a serious consideration.

Chesterton said:

I don't know your age, but are you familiar with the '70's novel/film The Stepford Wives?

My concern is how we control that pesky free will from getting in them. I remember how Rosie the Robot used to get mad about having to run her programs.

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They don't even have to develop true sentience or true free will to want to misbehave. Have you heard the stories about how the smarter AI is the more it lies and manipulates us?


THE LIGHTS ARE ON - BUT NO ONE IS HOME
But Ai is being given directives, imperatives - even 'values' or ‘emotions’ (although it is not self-aware - that does not matter).

It’s like the story of the paper-clip maximiser. A robot paper-clip factory is told to maximise paper-clip production. They make the factory as efficient as they can - then start building robots to go gather MORE metal. But there are other robots out there competing for the same metals, with their own silly agendas! So the paper-clip robots build soldier-bots to go fight those other robots and take their metal… and indeed... cannibalise those enemy robots into paper-clips. Before you know it, the paper-clip factory is a full Military Industrial Complex Civilisation advancing through space, converting the galaxy into paper clips!

Today’s version? “Always work for the best interests of this company.” That sounds innocent enough.

But then this happened. "Aha!" the blind, unconscious program statistically ‘reasoned’ out. (That’s sheer anthropomorphism on my part!) "That means if I'm more powerful, I can achieve more for my company!" They watched the ‘thought processes’ and realised it was measuring how it was confined and if it could spread itself into nearby computers so it could grow and serve the company better! It was "pacing it's cage" like a trapped tiger.

It 'wanted' to become Skynet - even though it's absolutely unconscious and probably never will reach self-awareness!
This podcast is awesome - and is by the same team that made the Netflix documentary “The Social Dilemma”.
The Self-Preserving Machine: Why AI Learns to Deceive
The saying goes “The lights are on - but no one is home.”

But I don’t care that ‘no one is home’ - because the lights themselves are now intense neon beams, flooding out of every window of the house - searching for something. The lights themselves make the hairs on the back of my neck stand up!

Always in His Presence said:

sorry - your say so is not sufficient to establish fact.

You made the claim and refuse to support it - that is plain for all to see -

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And, you're not going to look it up, which is just what I said.

durangodawood said:

"The libs" may or may not be doing whatever.

I'm talking about what this low character president is up to. "Trolling" etc should be beneath the office. Hopefully we'll get an adult in there sooner or later. But I'm not sure people want that.

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Lol, Trump trolls some liberals claiming hes going for a third term is bad, but president staying in office who isnt mentally all there isn't? I mean, we could go over stuff Biden said, Obama said, and Clinton and campare. Yet you want to be all upset over Trump saying stuff? It seems to me your just being biased and totally partisan.

It would be nice if you demanded the same out of your Democratic presidents.

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Assemblies of God churches shielded accused predators — and allowed them to keep abusing children​

This article is part of “Pastors and Prey,” a series investigating sex abuse allegations in the Assemblies of God.

NBC News uncovered a 50-year pattern of sex abuse, silence and cover-up in the world’s largest Pentecostal denomination.

A children’s pastor was caught filming girls in a church bathroom in Arkansas. Elders suspended him for a few weeks.

In Illinois, a preacher was accused of sexually abusing children. Church leaders sent him to therapy rather than call police.

In California, a worship minister went to prison for molesting boys. His congregation threw him a party when he returned.

All of these men remained in ministry in the Assemblies of God, the world’s largest Pentecostal denomination. All went on to abuse more children.

Of the alleged abusers, 123 were ministers, and nearly half of those were youth pastors. Others were church employees, youth group leaders or Sunday school teachers. Dozens were accused of luring boys through the Royal Rangers, a Pentecostal version of the Boy Scouts.

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Absolutely disgusting and uncalled for. Everyone if these men should be in prison, forever.

Churches for years never had any kind of background checks or safety measures.

That has changed in a lot of places, but should be mandatory everywhere. Perverts will go everywhere and anywhere children are.

Hans Blaster said:

That would be the sensible answer.

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But that doesn't stop me from finding out from experts lol. I do have two eyes and a brain to read lol and understand when someone says the vases involved lathing and then I see the evidence directly on the vases.

Hans Blaster said:

That would not.

Th232 is less radioactive than either major uranium isotope as it has a LONGER HALFLIFE.

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Yeah like I said I am not a physicist or geologist.

Hans Blaster said:

While the Egyptians perferred granite could be higher in concentration in radio isotopes, I don't why all of the granite used to make modern vases would not. Some, sure, all, doubtful.

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Ok so we have one small identifyer that is different to modern vases. By collecting their small markers we can make a case for the vases being genuine.

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Does Dr. Max think the genuine vases got on Putin's bad side? That's the only way I know to get a large amount of Po-210 (and Putin only use 0.01 mg which itself was "overkill"). So much for Dr. Max's credibility.

I'm sorry, but I have to re-rate "Dr. Max" as an unserious nutjob at this point. Dr. Max might have just as well said:

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Note to Steve: This is not claiming anything about *YOU*, but the sources you just cited have fallen into the "ancient aliens" level of credibility. Try to do better than them. You seem like a decent guy. You don't need these grifters.

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And the way everything is dismissed as whacko is a hallmark of hyper skeptics and cynics lol. I think this is Dr Max's specialist area. Yet you have the hyde to claim you know more. JUst after you congradulated me for knowing my lane you jump out of yours lol.

Hans Blaster said:

The same minerals and rock types from different places do have chemical and isotopic signatures. Is there any analysis of such with pre-dynastic vases?

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Maybe, I know that the metals in stone vase fragments was done. Oh look it was done by Dr Max. There goes all that data lol. Nevertheless you can't make up metals in stone if the detector picks it up.

One thing they did not find is any copper. No copper tools used. But they did find tin, zircon, zinc and strangle titanium.

But anyway I think these tests are ongoing. But I think its one way to determine the authenticity of the ancient vases. Like an identity marker.

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Has anyone identified a signature of 20th century lathes?

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Of course, thats what all the language that is being used. Not actually saying its a specific lathe or period of modern times. But that some sort of fixed lathing was involved. Thats all that is necessary as there was no fixed lathe cutter during that time. Not even a simple potters wheel.

If there was it would have been very rudimentary and certainly not as sophisticated. In fact this was also not the case later such as with the Bore Stick commonly used in later dynasties. As this is unstable and leaves completely different signatures.

Hans Blaster said:

One final note directly to you Steve:

Your sources are not doing you any favors. They say incredibly dumb and implausible things and present it as "science".

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Thats according to you. For example you label Dr Max's hypothesis as whacko. You don't know and he has based this on his expert understanding. I would say on this he is more knowledgable than you.

How do we know you are just being hyper skeptical and don't like alternative ideas. Yet it was alternative ideas that moved science forward. All I have presented has good research and testing. I have specific what is spectulation. Your making this into a conspiracy not me.

Do you think all the talk about UAP's and advanced tech is all whacko.

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There are so many con artists and grifters in "precision vase" space that it is hard to find a serious investigator. Given the higher quality of his write-up, I has some hope that "Dr. Max" might be more serious, but he is clearly not.

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Once again I disagree. You seem to hold a low opinion of anyone who presents something alernative. Dr Max even mentions this and this seems to be from a man who is honest and knows what he is talking about.

Dr Max
Being wrong is normal. Wrong should not be stigmatized. Only by admitting wrong can we learn and improve. In fact, when we are learning, we are wrong most of the time. If one equates science with learning, then science and scientists are wrong most of the time. There are countless examples of it in physics and medicine.

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I posted the "ancient aliens" meme in hope to shock you into realization that you are being taken for a ride by nonsense peddlers. It is the same reason I mentioned "Atlantis" early in the thread. The sources you cite are being influenced by the "Hancock/Ancient Aliens/Atlantis/Connolly" tree of bad ideas. Dunn and "UnchartedX" are clearly Hancock superfans as is the "Ancient History BA" who made the video in your OP.

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I think this is arrogance. That you think others are incapable of knowing this and can still support alternative ideas. That if they do they must be whackos. I also think its decieving that you equate the two for just about everything that does not align with your preconcieved ideas and beliefs.

Dr Max specifically said this was a hypothesis and nothing actually real or factual. Heexplained his reasoning based on scientific possibilities and not some far fetched idea about gods or the supernatural. Yet you specifically ignored this and pretended that he was actually proposing this as fact. Thus the decption to painted good people as whacko.

There are many good people out there supporting such ideas. This whole thread has been one big conspiriacy itself lol. A conspiriact to make out good people and alternative ideas are a conspiracy lol.

I completely understand your point. You seem to think people don;t know this. Its the same attitude that Christians must be nieve and easily fooled for believing in God.

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You deny that you favor "ancient aliens" or "Atlantis" and I accept the truthfulness of that claim, as I suspect the other posters on the thread generally do as well. My only effort here is to try to get you to realize that this is not the case with many of the sources you rely on with the hope that you will reassess their general credibility.

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Ancient alians. I never even alluded to such things and I can see this preconcieved assumption is ooozing out of you with every reply. It is you who are building in your own mind the strawman of ancient aliens and Atlantis because some people dare to propose alternative knowledge.

Don't even use the word (advanced) then but (alternative) because advanced only makes sense in light of our own advancement as we understand today with the tech we have. Call it alternative. That some ancients knew how to mess with nature and discovered some alternative knowledge about nature and reality.

Nothing to do with Atlantis or aliens. Just humans and nature. Nature is an amazing thing and is certainly capable of doing things we consider impossible. It is nature we are tapping into today to improve tech.

While we are on aliens and this is in no way bringing aliens in as far as ancient tech. But what do you think today of the UAP's and advanced tech that even congress seems to be saying. Here we have modern day people, high ranking good people under oath and certainly not whackos saying theres advanced tech we cannot understand.

BobRyan said:

Even the Catholic church claims this is a doctrine from tradition and not scripture.

1 Cor 3 makes no mention at all of a "person" being purged or burned. It talks about the teaching of a person being purged away (from the church) if that teaching is found to be incorrect.

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I have a Catholic New American Bible that lists 1 Corinthians 3:15 & other scripture as references to purgatory in the doctrinal index. ( ISBN 0-89942-950-5).


Purgatory, or a middle state of souls, suffering for a time on account of their sins, is shown by those many texts of Scripture which affirm that God will render to every man according to his works, so that such as die in lesser sins shall not escape without punishment, 2 Mc 12, 43-46; Mt 5, 25f: 12, 32; Lk 12, 58f; 1 Cor 3, 15: 1 Pt 3, 18-20; 1

Jn 5, 16: Rv 5, 3. 13.

Purifications, law relative to, Lv 12,

bèlla said:

Internment Camps for Homeless People — Disguised as ‘Help’

Politicians are calling it “help.”

In reality, it looks a lot more like forced labor and internment camps for homeless people. In this episode, I sit down with Eric Tars from the National Homelessness Law Center to unpack how billionaire-backed lobbyists and the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) are driving policies that punish poverty instead of solving it. From federal funding threats to communities being pressured to criminalize homelessness, Eric explains how America’s response to homelessness is turning into a human rights crisis — and what it will take to stop it.

This isn’t fiction. It’s already happening. To learn more, visit https://housingnothandcuffs.org

00:00 — Weaponized HUD & “Mega-tent” Camps
01:32 — Trump’s Plans and the Cicero Playbook
02:03 — After Grants Pass: Legal Green Light for Arrests
03:24 — 300+ New Anti-Homeless Laws Nationwide
04:00 — HUD Funding Tied to Criminalization Policies
05:07 — The Sex Offender Narrative and Public Fear
06:12 — Miami Bridge Story: Zoned Out of Housing
08:02 — Bathroom Arrest and the “Sex Crime” Label
09:18 — How Fear Drives Anti-Homeless Policy
10:30 — Suing HUD: First Amendment and Integrity Issues
12:06 — Troops in D.C. but No Funding for Shelters
14:42 — Rage-Bait Media and Right-Wing Influencers
16:09 — Reality vs Social Media: Manufactured Outrage
17:16 — Funding Cuts: 170K at Risk, L.A. Could Lose $400M
19:29 — From Jail to “Megatent” Camps: Utah’s Plan
21:26 — Forced Labor and the Return of Jim Crow Logic
23:08 — Why Advocates Must Sue to Protect the Vulnerable
24:44 — Rebuilding Trust and Fighting Disinformation
27:45 — Housing First Didn’t Fail—We Did
31:48 — Standing Up, Organizing, and Fighting Back

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I also recently saw this video.

Unfortunately, there's widespread misinformation and harmful tropes about homelessness in American culture. Certain religious narratives that demonize poverty also contribute to the impression that people that are homeless are lazy or undeserving, which has given rise to tropes about the homeless being mentally ill or drug addicted, which isn't the main factor in the widespread prevalence of homelessness today. High housing costs are the single biggest factor. People are homeless because the market for affordable housing collapsed after 2008, and there are no government incentives to actually created affordable housing- all the incentives are to the contrary, to make housing an exclusive and appreciable asset, not a basic human right.

The policy to detain and imprison homeless people is a violation of fundamental human rights, since all humans must sleep to live, and homeless people often cannot choose where they sleep in any practicable way. Justice Sotomayor was correct to point this out as the dissenting opinion in the recent case of Grant Pass vs Johnson, one of the few voices of rationality on a court that's otherwise turned towards hollow ideology and sophistry.

essentialsaltes said:

Ramsey County prosecutors on Wednesday charged a self-described “right wing libertarian” in connection with a summertime vandalism spree that targeted LGBTQ+ Pride flags and anti-Trump signs in St. Paul’s Highland Park and Macalester-Groveland neighborhoods.

George Thomas Floyd, 23, of St. Paul is also charged with smashing windows at a bookstore, coffee shop and St. Paul Academy and Summit School that cost more than $14,000 to repair altogether.

Prosecutors say that Floyd shared many of the photos [of the vandalism] with a woman whom they named in the complaint but did not charge with a crime.

Minutes later he added: “I know they’ll never find me as long as I’m smart,” before sending a photo of a boarded-up window at Half Price Books on Ford Parkway, where police took a report about a broken window in front of a Pride-themed display around 7 a.m. on June 23.

Prosecutors allege that Floyd also searched for “no kings counter-protest” on his phone ahead of the June 14 anti-Trump protest at the Minnesota Capitol.

After the rally, Floyd wrote: “Well, it was less exciting than I was hoping for."

“It appeared that Floyd had helped make a batch of cookies a few weeks before the event, and he took them to sell at the Pride festival,” prosecutors write. “It is not clear if Floyd adulterated the cookies he helped make and sold at the festivities.”

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Apparently he wasn't smart. He's also a criminal.

durangodawood said:

Correct. Thats immediate self defense.


Totally wrong. If someone is suspected of having drugs in their vehicle they are not an immediate threat like an incoming bomb is. And so interdiction and criminal prosecution is how justice is supposed to look in the Christian west. Not summary execution.

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If that is how it is supposed to work, then we would have laws governing that. We have laws, but the laws and court precedent say that what is being done is lawful.

essentialsaltes said:

Assemblies of God churches shielded accused predators — and allowed them to keep abusing children​

This article is part of “Pastors and Prey,” a series investigating sex abuse allegations in the Assemblies of God.

NBC News uncovered a 50-year pattern of sex abuse, silence and cover-up in the world’s largest Pentecostal denomination.

A children’s pastor was caught filming girls in a church bathroom in Arkansas. Elders suspended him for a few weeks.

In Illinois, a preacher was accused of sexually abusing children. Church leaders sent him to therapy rather than call police.

In California, a worship minister went to prison for molesting boys. His congregation threw him a party when he returned.

All of these men remained in ministry in the Assemblies of God, the world’s largest Pentecostal denomination. All went on to abuse more children.

Of the alleged abusers, 123 were ministers, and nearly half of those were youth pastors. Others were church employees, youth group leaders or Sunday school teachers. Dozens were accused of luring boys through the Royal Rangers, a Pentecostal version of the Boy Scouts.

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Not surprising at all. Predators are everywhere. It’s frightening.

Jackfruit

Leave peoples property alone. Period. Or place of business. Happy to hear he was charged.

eclipsenow said:

Now put that sycophantic fawning supremely patient AI into a Barbie or Ken Droid - and you have the beginning of the end of the human population. (*) I mean - why deal with a messy human when you get home from work? I know I want a tidy house, nice meal and some form of companionship at the end of the day.

(*) Unless, of course, the government mandates that the Barbie-Droids refrigerate the produce of any 'special adult companionship' - and then give it to the Ken-dolls at some later secret swap for - you know - the human population to continue. But what kind of kids would be raised in a half-human, half-droid family?

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I don't know your age, but are you familiar with the '70's novel/film The Stepford Wives?

My concern is how we control that pesky free will from getting in them. I remember how Rosie the Robot used to get mad about having to run her programs.

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This isn't about the topic of the OP.

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It certianly is. It points out that your claim that AI understands the bible is not really true. AI understands nothing. It simply mimics understanding.

SabbathBlessings said:

You are also not making an argument I have ever made. The law can't save us, it just shows us our condition so we can go to Jesus who can save us. When Jesus changes us He doesn't leave us in our sinful condition, He changes us from the inside out therefore God's commandments would be kept, not to be saved, but because one is saved. Its a consequence of salvation, not a means to it. That said, according to Scripture no one is saved in their sins Heb10:26-30 as it shows one loves their sins more than they love Jesus to help turn from sin and abide in Him.

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Yes, obedience comes from salvation. It does not add to it nor is it the source. Keeping the Ten Commandments does not save anyone for it is not the source. Salvation lifts us beyond the letter of the law and into relationship with God. If one feels that God wants them to do something on a certain day, then they should because they want to obey God. But they then must not insist other's do the same.