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Jerry N. · 2025-10-30T11:38:25-0500

Bob S said:
Where do you get love from reading the first command? 3 “You shall have no other gods before[ me.

Where?

I agree. The fact is that He did not tell the Israelites to love them. They certainly could have treated them with love. That is what Jesus taught, but the Ten are written so that the Israelites could do that out of duty to their fellow man.

Where do you get that from reading the Ten Commandments Jerry?The Israelites were to love to do the will of God. They were to love their neighbors and do nothing to harm them or

Deuteronomy 6:4-9

4 “Hear O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one[a]. 5 Love Adonai your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength. [b] 6 These words, which I am commanding you today, are to be on your heart. 7 You are to teach them diligently to your children, and speak of them when you sit in your house, when you walk by the way, when you lie down and when you rise up. 8 Bind them as a sign on your hand, they are to be as frontlets[c] between your eyes, 9 and write them on the doorposts of your house and on your gates.

LoricaLady · 2025-10-30T11:37:42-0500

Oct. 30, 2025 | Laos
Christian Families Attacked, Deprived for Faithfulness to Christ
[4] prayers in [1] nation have been posted for Christians in Laos.

On Oct. 12, 2025, three families in a remote area of Laos were driven from their homes while villagers demolished their houses and confiscated their land and livestock. This attack followed weeks of growing aggression that included the chaining of a local Christian leader, Lom, to a house post for four days; Lom's family was among those driven from their home. Since the attack, the families have been forced to live under a lean-to in the center of the village, closely watched and prohibited from seeking help. Read More.
Oct. 30, 2025 | Benin
Young Female Converts Rejected by Families
[5] prayers in [1] nation have been posted for Nathalie and Daniela.

Two young women have been rejected by their families for placing their faith in Christ. Nathalie's conversion to Christianity three years ago angered her Muslim parents, who then tried to force her to marry an older Muslim man. She escaped the arranged marriage by running away from home and enrolling in a trade school, but her parents found her and have continued trying to force her to return to Islam. "I have no intention of turning away from Christ," Nathalie said. Another young woman, Daniela, has also faced family pressure to renounce Christ since she became a Christian two and a half years ago. Read More.
Oct. 30, 2025 | Kazakhstan
Long-Established Russian Church Fined
[4] prayers in [1] nation have been posted for church members in Kazakhstan.

Despite its long presence in the area, a Kazakh church was fined for holding an unauthorized gathering. In the 20th century, the Soviet Union attempted to quash Russian churches, often by arresting and imprisoning pastors and church members. Some of the imprisoned Russian Christians stayed in what is now Kazakhstan after they were released and formed an independent church in 1970, which has continually faced opposition. "This church is definitely battle-tested and knows how to endure persecution," a front-line worker said. Read More.

Der Alte · 2025-10-30T11:36:46-0500

Learning always said:
He was the original owner? You mean he's no longer the owner??

No a new owner took over some years ago and I'm not sure but think CF might have changed hands more than once.

Chesterton · 2025-10-30T11:35:07-0500

ThatRobGuy said:
Or we just acknowledge that the award itself is kind of a joke...at which point, we can simply say "who cares who won it"

I think apart from the science awards, the Nobels are a joke, these days anyway. I don't know why you didn't mention Obama getting an award really just for having an abundance of melanin, and Dylan getting the literature prize for song lyrics.

And to all the naysayers in the thread who question this announcement shortly before a trip to China, I'll just paraphrase Richard Roma from Glengarry Glen Ross: "Where did you learn your trade? Who ever told you that you could work with men? You never open your mouth till you know what the shot is."

Say it aint so · 2025-10-30T11:34:47-0500

Valletta said:
Democrats wobble as pressure to end shutdown ramps up

Senate Democrats are taking a close look at a Republican proposal to pay all federal employees — including essential and furloughed workers — as they’re under new pressure from the nation’s largest federal workers union to pass a clean continuing resolution to reopen the government. They also...

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No way was the GOP going to allow more illegals to received taxpayer funded healthcare nor support a 1.5. trillion dollar new spending package including trans, LGBTQ, or DEI funding in foreign countries.

Great. Because health plans for illegals is not what's happening. Neither is this about funding "LGBTO or DEI".

Bob S · 2025-10-30T11:33:30-0500

In an earlier post, I asked where God tells Gentiles they had to observe the rituals given only to Israel. If He has not then why do some feel that they are obligated to laws that never pertained to Gentiles?

Matt5 · 2025-10-30T11:32:58-0500

Trump is way behind where he needs to be. So mere testing is a joke.

In 2008, most people were checked out over the housing market. Everybody knew it was solid but nobody bothered to look. The few who did look freaked out, and we got the Big Short movie.

Welcome to the nuclear age where you didn't bother to look.

In the Bible it mentions the hell of wailing and gnashing of teeth that is associated with the return of Jesus. Now the return of Jesus is near. Funny how that looks a lot like the effect of radiation.

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Always in His Presence · 2025-10-30T11:30:20-0500

Which groups had the most violence in the last decade?

Looting and burning cities
Violent assaults on Federal law enforcement
Murder of Police officers
Two Assignation attempts
Shooting a Republican Congressman at a ball game

There is your answer.

iluvatar5150 · 2025-10-30T11:29:37-0500

Always in His Presence said:
If it was Biden - would you be saying the same? Of course not,

Sure I would. I think the Kennedy Center awards and Presidential Medals of Freedom are both kind of meaningless - they're basically awards for being famous. And while there had been other questionable recipients of the Nobel Peace Prize in the past, Obama's was the first in my adult life that made me question the significance of it.

I've been on teams that have won industry-specific awards and have a lot of friends who've won other big ones you've definitely heard of (e.g. Oscar/BAFTA tech awards). Those awards are a lot more meritocratic than this SK thing, and even then, a lot of times winning or even being nominated is more about timing and voters'/judges' awareness than it is actual merit. They're not entirely meaningless, but they are at least somewhat arbitrary. So, I don't put a lot of stock in awards unless the governing body has demonstrated a tradition of high standards for them.

rambot · 2025-10-30T11:21:29-0500

dogs4thewin said:
Her time is not up again she realized the enhanced benefits were temporary and as she is in her early 60s she knows what enhanced and temporary mean. They do not mean forever OR completely gone.

No one is arguing that your mom wouldn't know what they mean.
The argument is that's gonna have a big affect on your mom's health and she could and should fight for it. Or at least people who CARE About her could advocate for it.

Sounds like you're totally cool with that.

Bob S · 2025-10-30T11:20:58-0500

Jerry N. said:
The Ten Commandments were a love message. Is it not love to teach your children not to take drugs or do any number of other things that are bad for them? God was doing the same thing.

No, they were written as a duty. If you were to write a love message to your spouse, would you start it with Thou shalt not

rambot · 2025-10-30T11:20:01-0500

Oompa Loompa said:
Ironically, by leveraging human suffering. How quaint.

Yes. And Republicans, then, would be complicit in that.
As stated, the human suffering brought on by that budget will be significant. THAT'S on Republicans...if human suffering is ACTUALLY something you care about.

See, Republicans are okay with suffering during the shut dowon AND they are okay with suffering from the outcome of this bill. Frankly, they are fighting for the suffering IN this bill...and those changes would (should) be FAR more long lasting.

The Democrats are willing to have a bit of suffering to negotiate less suffering later.

All this as an aside there is actually several billion in reserve funds that Trump is able to authorize in an emergency like this for SNAP benefits, but he doesn't seem willing to.

Shutdown standoff: Why experts say the Trump administration is sitting on SNAP funds

The party of punishing the poor is at it again. Gee golly.

It's funny reading the Dunning Krugering about economics as people hope that "welfare folks not getting food stamps" will lower the prices of food since supply will be higher.

Clare73 · 2025-10-30T11:18:48-0500

rambot said:
Wow.

Sorry. I'm not willing to stoop this low. Good luck.

Convenient. . .

WordSword · 2025-10-30T11:17:35-0500

Delvianna said:
He still allows us to make our own decisions and that includes the decisions that lead us to destruction.

I believe that God's "work" in Christians keeps them in the "desire" of "pleasing" Him (Phl 2:13). If at any time a professing Christian does not want to please God, it manifests He was not in him.

Chesterton · 2025-10-30T11:16:16-0500

I just thought of one other advantage. Some things might be too personal or weird to share in a public forum. I was able to get some good info about these things on my... uh, never mind.

Bob S · 2025-10-30T11:15:06-0500

Jerry N. said:
The first commandment is about loving God.

Where do you get love from reading the first command? 3 “You shall have no other gods before[ me.

Jerry N. said:
The second, third, and forth expand on that.

Where?

Jerry N. said:
The other six commandments are about how we should treat others.

I agree. The fact is that He did not tell the Israelites to love them. They certainly could have treated them with love. That is what Jesus taught, but the Ten are written so that the Israelites could do that out of duty to their fellow man.

Jerry N. said:
Love is not just an emotion; it is also an act of the will. By willingly doing right by others, we express love in the most basic form. By not doing right by others and God, we are not showing love.

Where do you get that from reading the Ten Commandments Jerry?The Israelites were to love to do the will of God. They were to love their neighbors and do nothing to harm them or

Hentenza · 2025-10-30T11:12:24-0500

SabbathBlessings said:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

Can you tell me when God made the heavens and earth , the sea and all that is in them. Are you claiming He made that at Mt Sinai. Any Scripture to support this?

Please post a verse before Moses that shows that people kept the sabbath. Also, since Moses wrote the book of Genesis around the 15th century, how did people before then know that God made the world in 6 days and rested on the 7th?

Jerry N. · 2025-10-30T11:11:10-0500

Bob S said:
They seem to be very understandable to me. I am sure that if God had wanted to write the Ten as a love message to the Israelites He could have done so.

The Ten Commandments were a love message. Is it not love to teach your children not to take drugs or do any number of other things that are bad for them? God was doing the same thing.

d taylor · 2025-10-30T11:09:11-0500

Dikaioumenoi said:
You're confusing the instrumental cause of salvation ("through faith," Eph. 2:8) with its efficient cause ("by grace," Eph. 2:8). The question is whether fallen man possesses the moral and spiritual capacity to direct faith toward Christ at all, given his hostility toward God (Rom. 8:7-8; 1 Cor. 2:14).

Saving faith is indeed qualitatively distinct from natural belief. The natural man can believe propositions, but he cannot receive the things of the Spirit (1 Cor. 2:14). Faith in Christ does not arise from the old nature's rational faculties; it arises from the new life granted by the Spirit (John 6:44, 65).

Your comments on Phil. 1:29 and Eph. 2:8 ignores the syntax. In Phil. 1:29, τὸ εἰς αὐτὸν πιστεύειν ("to believe in Him") is the very thing "granted" (ἐχαρίσθη). Belief itself is the divine gift. Likewise, in Eph. 2:8, the neuter demonstrative τοῦτο ("this") refers to the entire preceding clause, "by grace you have been saved through faith." The whole reality of salvation through faith is of God, not of human origin.

It actually does. Grammatically, the αὐτὸν ("him") in both ἑλκύσῃ ("draws") and ἀναστήσω ("will raise") refers to the same person. Thus, the one drawn is the one raised. This is easily seen if restating the logic of the verse contrapositively:

"If he is able to come, then the Father [has drawn] him, and I will raise him up."

Who is the one raised? The one enabled to come; the one drawn by the Father.

While it is true theologically that the one raised is the one who actually comes, what the logic of John 6:44 is declaring is that there isn't a distinction. Jesus assumes no difference between those enabled to come, and those who actually do so. The drawing is effectual. It changes the disposition of their hearts such that the sin they once loved they now hate, and the God they once opposed (Rom. 8:7-8) they are now naturally inclined toward.

This aligns with verse 37, which says, "all that the Father gives me will come to me." Interestingly, verse 65 restates verse 44, but replaces the verb with that of verse 37. That interchange of ἑλκύω ("draw") and δίδωμι ("give") indicates a paradigmatic relationship between the two verbs within parallel syntagmatic contexts, suggesting that the Father's drawing and giving are conceptually identical acts:

"All that the Father gives/draws to me will come to me." (v. 37)
"No one can come to me unless the Father draws/gives them to me (and the one drawn/given will be raised up on the last day)." (v. 44)

Again, it actually does. To say otherwise misses both the syntax and theological force of διδακτοὶ θεοῦ ("taught by God"). Jesus is citing Isaiah 54:13, where "being taught by God" is a covenantal promise of divine renewal, parallel to Jeremiah 31:33-34, where God writes His law on their hearts so that "they shall all know Me." In context, it is not a general offer of instruction but a description of the effectual work of God upon His covenant people.

Grammatically, διδακτοὶ θεοῦ contains a genitive of agency with a substantivized predicate adjective. This construction consistently denotes persons passively affected by the action of the genitive noun. Compare ἁγαπητοῖς θεοῦ in Romans 1:7 ("loved by God") and τοῖς ἁγαπητοῖς ἡμῶν in Acts 15:25 ("our beloved"), which describe an objective reality independent of response. The persons are loved; their reaction does not produce that love. Similarly, γεννητοῖς γυναικῶν in Matthew 11:11 ("those born of women") identifies those who have undergone birth, something wholly external to their will. The same pattern appears in θεόπνευστος ("God-breathed") in 2 Timothy 3:16, where the focus is on the divine origin of Scripture, not human participation.

In other words, this grammatical logic essentially conveys the same thing as a compound word: God-breathed, woman-born, God-loved, God-taught. See also actual compounds, σητόβρωτα ("moth-eaten," Jas. 5:2), πατροπαράδοτου ("inherited from forefathers," 1 Pet. 1:18), and ποταμοφόρητον ("swept away by a flood," Rev. 12:15). In fact, Paul actually uses a compound form of the "God-taught" phrase in 1 Thess. 4:9: θεοδίδακτοι.

In every one of these cases, the modifying element marks the agent producing the effect.

In other words, "taught by God" describes not a universal opportunity for instruction, but a divine action that creates the very capacity to come to Christ. It's a metaphor for regeneration, being born again, and directly parallel to "draws" in the prior verse. The subsequent clause, "everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to me," simply articulates the necessary consequences of that effectual act. Being taught by God is what ensures coming to the Son.

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And The Father gives to Jesus anyone who believes in Jesus for Eternal Life.

I mean how can anyone believe in a theology, who will not even believe that Jesus paid for and took away all sin for all time for every person who ever lived.

bbbbbbb · 2025-10-30T11:05:55-0500

yum

fire roasted brussels sprouts?

DaisyDay · 2025-10-30T11:05:45-0500

rjs330 said:
Thats dealing with someone sins against you personally. It also does not deal with the consequences of the sin.
If your husband beats you, you have to forgive him seventy times seven. Do you think then that it absolves him of any consequences?

Your question was how many times should we keep treating addicts, once, twice or what? My answer remains as many times as it takes.

Why you want to make this about me being beaten is beyond me.

rjs330 said:
Also this scripture doesnt apply to s I ending taxpayer money to help drug addicts and how money we should spend to help them.

Perhaps you prefer Brian Kilmeade's solution of involuntary injection, just kill 'em?

rjs330 said:
Never use that argument. Its a bad one.

You have not convinced me of that. You twisted it from "the addict is harming himself" to "well, what if he were doing something entirely different that did directly harm someone else?" - talk about bad arguments!

rjs330 said:
Your husband beating on you doesn't
harm me either. But I would want to stop it because it harms you.

What is this obsession you have with me being beaten?

rjs330 said:
There is a harm to society as a whole when you are addicted to drugs.

That's an overly broad assertion. Can this addiction be managed? Is it harming anyone other than the addict? The answer will vary depending on the particulars.

rjs330 said:
Do you think no one is harmed by the drug trade?

Ah, rhetorical question that is not meant to be answered seriously.

rjs330 said:
I have no problem with our government doing that to drug dealers trying to smuggle poison into our country that has killed millions if us.

Murdering without a trial or due process? So-called smugglers who may not even be heading to our country, just blast them with a missile? Even though it has only killed us because we sought it out , paid good money for it and voluntarily took it? How is this justice?

JustaPewFiller · 2025-10-30T11:05:27-0500

Well, we can't really put a bucket over our heads and pretend it isn't going to impact the Christian world. AI can (and probably will ) impact almost every area of human existence sooner or later.

Postvieww · 2025-10-30T11:05:05-0500

GoldenBoy89 said:
More proof of Trump’s Fifth Ave comment from his most faithful supporters.

Obama killed US citizens abroad! Did you complain?

Postvieww · 2025-10-30T11:02:14-0500

GoldenBoy89 said:
No it isn’t. Do all your principles depend on what others do?

You have no standing to question my principles.

Always in His Presence · 2025-10-30T11:01:46-0500

Yarddog said:
Nope. I've seen the proof. I'm just not sharing it with you.

LOL - well nanny nanny boo boo to you too! - so much better than backing your opinion with facts.

iluvatar5150 said:
Well, yeah, when the claim is that an honor is especially high, it's perfectly valid to look at the conditions under which it's bestowed. It looks like it's handed out to each new SK president and then to various other heads of state whenever the SK president feels like it.

If it was Biden - would you be saying the same? Of course not, but it is Trump and even a nations highest award given in thanks has to be degraded to as close to useless as possible.

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