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Always in His Presence · 2025-08-09T14:03:56-0500

DaisyDay said:
Not a myth, not debunked.

Yes a myth and long debunked

DaisyDay said:
And you would have a point if the Democic Party were restoring a monument to the Klan.

Thanks for your opinion. We differ

Hentenza · 2025-08-09T14:00:38-0500

Apple Sky said:
Moon Lander Analysis

you tube https://youtu.be/s6vAiyUIQog?si=DQkCHRQw5BhttdkV

You sure use a lot of videos even though you don’t believe in them.

Check out this video from this search, video of apollo 11 taking off
https://share.google/axxQl1ibX9p51n319

Chesterton · 2025-08-09T13:59:56-0500

Because it's simpler?

Amo2 · 2025-08-09T13:59:29-0500

The Liturgist said:
The problem is the materials you have used for your research consisted of anti-Roman Catholic polemics, rather than peer-reviewed material such as the many books I have advised you to consult.

Peer-reviewed by who? Who'se peers? I run into the same argument in creation or evolution debates. As though the peer reviewed opinions of faith based deep time evolutionary pushing "scientists" so called, mean anything to me. I find such faith to be absurd. Built upon faulty presumptions presented as scientific fact, when they absolutely are not. As I find many claims on this board in reference to the Roman Catholic church, its persecution, and it being the true source of holy scripture and its preservation, to be absurd as well. Which is of course, why I am addressing Roman Catholicism more than Orthodoxy. Apart of course from issues in which apparently Orthodoxy agrees with Roman Catholicism, as being addressed here. As is the case regarding the creation and evolution controversies as well, we simply place our faiths in different sources.

The Liturgist said:
Also, in those 45 years, did you read any books about the persecuted Christians of the East, such as the Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox and Assyrians? Because you keep referring to events that mainly concerned the Orthodox in an anti-Roman Catholic polemical style.

Do you understand we are neither Roman Catholic nor Protestant, but have been persecuted by both? Our churches were never under the control of the Pope of Rome. Thus when it comes to issues like the Spanish Inquisition, we who were also victims of related persecution (see St. Peter the Aleut, a 15 year old Aleutian Orthodox boy who like the other Aleutians and many Native Alaskans was evangelized was evangelized by the Russian Orthodox Church starting with the mission of St. Herman in the 17th century) who on a routine fishing trip that took him down the West Coast, had the misfortune of encountering the Mission Indians, and being arrested by the Spanish authorities and executed as a heretic) have no vested interest in downplaying the severity of the Inquisition.

But we do have an interest in the Truth, our Lord Jesus Christ, the incarnate Logos (Reason, Logic, Word) and the numbers you are claiming are inaccurate and unreasonable (alogoi).

Please do share the many accounts no doubt of such persecutions as you have described above. You will not find me on the side of Protestant or Catholic persecutors, as both have been guilty of this great injustice. Such of course will not be conducive toward establishing the very low number of victims claimed on this thread which I am contesting, to the contrary only adding greater numbers supporting my position. To withhold such information now of course, would seem to be exercising the exact bias you are accusing me of. Would it not.

I say the very low numbers you and others are claiming, are inaccurate and unreasonable. Especially regarding the testimonies of so many others, only a few of which I have yet shared on this thread. Perhaps the truth lies somewhere in between. Nevertheless, there are great disparities and inconsistencies in separate accounts, both sides of which should certainly be heard for all to decide upon. Certainly no persecution, abuse, torture, murder, and so on and so forth, is acceptable authentic biblically Christian behavior. I'm sure we both agree upon this. State imposed or cleverly manipulated censorship of uncomfortable history, is not a New Testament or Covenant teaching or practice. Defending the truth , by exposing what is false is. If early unpopular Christianity bowed to the dictates of popular or shall we say peer-reviewed opinions of the day, we of course would not be having this conversation today.

The Liturgist said:
Which is not to say the people who wrote them down were intentionally lying. In the case of Ellen G. White, she was regarded as a prophet, but I’m not sure if she was aware of the existence of the Orthodox, and her anti-Catholic polemics set the tone for subsequent Adventist polemics, as well as conspiracy theories about the Roman church plotting to ban worship on Saturday in the US, when in recent years Blue Laws protecting Sunday have unfortunately been falling by the wayside, and public schools increasingly schedule youth sports practice for Sunday mornings, which excludes many devout Christian youth from these activities.

Interesting that you would bring up Ellen G. White. As I certainly have not, nor quoted anything form her on this thread. EGW got the history she shared from the very numerous volumes of Protestant or otherwise historians of and up to her day. The writings of which as I have begun to address on this thread, have been systematically removed from public view and consideration with exact intent and purpose. With many revisionist forms of history intended to take their place. The bible itself was removed from our public schools by largely Roman Catholic sentiments and action, not to mention many history books as well, which addressed uncomfortable histories for our ever growing population of Roman Catholics. Not by way of conversions, but by way of one mass immigration of them, after another, after another. Which continues to this very day. A good bit of the history of which, I have not yet shared.

As far as your assertions regarding the issue of Sunday laws, I have a great deal to say. Far too much to address on this thread, without changing the subject altogether. Another thread, in due time will be required for such an undertaking. Suffice it to say here and now, that the attitude of the Roman Catholic church toward Sabbath or Sunday worship has bee clearly revealed throughout history, and the duty of every Catholic to seek to establish Sunday sacredness by law within their lands is clearly addressed in their Catechism.

Pope Gregory I (AD 590-604) said :

"Gregory, bishop by the grace of God to his well-beloved sons, the Roman citizens: It has come to me that certain men of perverse spirit have disseminated among you things depraved and opposed to the holy faith, so that they forbid anything to be done on the day of the Sabbath. What shall I call them except preachers of anti-Christ?." Epistles of Gregory I, b.13, epist.1, found in Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers.

The Synod of Laodicea - 343-381 A.D. - furnishes a decree which is quoted by many:

"Christians shall not Judaize and be idle on Saturday [Sabbatum is always used for the Sabbath and is translated Saturday in the English edition of Hefele], but shall work on that day; but the Lord's-day they shall especially honor, and as being Christians, shall, if possible, do no work on that day. If, however, they are found Judaizing they shall be shut out from Christ. (Canon 29, Hefele, Vol. 2, p. 316.)

The following is from the CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH.

Sunday- fulfillment of the sabbath

2175 Sunday is expressly distinguished from the sabbath which it follows chronologically every week; for Christians its ceremonial observance replaces that of the sabbath. In Christ's Passover, Sunday fulfills the spiritual truth of the Jewish sabbath and announces man's eternal rest in God. For worship under the Law prepared for the mystery of Christ, and what was done there prefigured some aspects of Christ:[107]
Those who lived according to the old order of things have come to a new hope, no longer keeping the sabbath, but the Lord's Day, in which our life is blessed by him and by his death.[108]

2176 The celebration of Sunday observes the moral commandment inscribed by nature in the human heart to render to God an outward, visible, public, and regular worship "as a sign of his universal beneficence to all."[109] Sunday worship fulfills the moral command of the Old Covenant, taking up its rhythm and spirit in the weekly celebration of the Creator and Redeemer of his people.

A day of grace and rest from work

2184 Just as God "rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had done,"[121] human life has a rhythm of work and rest. The institution of the Lord's Day helps everyone enjoy adequate rest and leisure to cultivate their familial, cultural, social, and religious lives.[122]

2185 On Sundays and other holy days of obligation, the faithful are to refrain from engaging in work or activities that hinder the worship owed to God, the joy proper to the Lord's Day, the performance of the works of mercy, and the appropriate relaxation of mind and body.[123] Family needs or important social service can legitimately excuse from the obligation of Sunday rest. The faithful should see to it that legitimate excuses do not lead to habits prejudicial to religion, family life, and health.
The charity of truth seeks holy leisure- the necessity of charity accepts just work.[124]

2186 Those Christians who have leisure should be mindful of their brethren who have the same needs and the same rights, yet cannot rest from work because of poverty and misery. Sunday is traditionally consecrated by Christian piety to good works and humble service of the sick, the infirm, and the elderly. Christians will also sanctify Sunday by devoting time and care to their families and relatives, often difficult to do on other days of the week. Sunday is a time for reflection, silence, cultivation of the mind, and meditation which furthers the growth of the Christian interior life.

2187 Sanctifying Sundays and holy days requires a common effort. Every Christian should avoid making unnecessary demands on others that would hinder them from observing the Lord's Day. Traditional activities (sport, restaurants, etc.), and social necessities (public services, etc.), require some people to work on Sundays, but everyone should still take care to set aside sufficient time for leisure. With temperance and charity the faithful will see to it that they avoid the excesses and violence sometimes associated with popular leisure activities. In spite of economic constraints, public authorities should ensure citizens a time intended for rest and divine worship. Employers have a similar obligation toward their employees.

2188 In respecting religious liberty and the common good of all, Christians should seek recognition of Sundays and the Church's holy days as legal holidays. They have to give everyone a public example of prayer, respect, and joy and defend their traditions as a precious contribution to the spiritual life of society. If a country's legislation or other reasons require work on Sunday, the day should nevertheless be lived as the day of our deliverance which lets us share in this "festal gathering," this "assembly of the firstborn who are enrolled in heaven."[125]

IN BRIEF

2189 "Observe the sabbath day, to keep it holy" (Deut 5:12). "The seventh day is a sabbath of solemn rest, holy to the Lord" (Ex 31:15).

2190 The sabbath, which represented the completion of the first creation, has been replaced by Sunday which recalls the new creation inaugurated by the Resurrection of Christ.

2191 The Church celebrates the day of Christ's Resurrection on the "eighth day," Sunday, which is rightly called the Lord's Day (cf. SC 106).

2192 "Sunday . . . is to be observed as the foremost holy day of obligation in the universal Church" (CIC, can. 1246 # 1). "On Sundays and other holy days of obligation the faithful are bound to participate in the Mass" (CIC, can. 1247).

2193 "On Sundays and other holy days of obligation the faithful are bound . . . to abstain from those labors and business concerns which impede the worship to be rendered to God, the joy which is proper to the Lord's Day, or the proper relaxation of mind and body" (CIC, can. 1247).

2194 The institution of Sunday helps all "to be allowed sufficient rest and leisure to cultivate their amilial, cultural, social, and religious lives" (GS 67 # 3).

2195 Every Christian should avoid making unnecessary demands on others that would hinder them from observing the Lord's Day.

Sunday laws have in fact been on the rise in many places over the last few decades. They have never gone away, and are here to stay, even more prominently in the future as predicted. There have literally been hundreds if not thousands of them established wide since the time of Constantine. They are still an issue, and being reinstated in many places. I will begin another thread to address this exact issue in much greater detail.

Chesterton · 2025-08-09T13:58:37-0500

Babies really like little animals.

ANIMA

Chesterton · 2025-08-09T13:56:33-0500

Knives need exact edges.

EDGE

Pommer · 2025-08-09T13:54:18-0500

Valletta said:
Grand juries in Virginia and Maryland are weighing criminal indictments against New York Attorney General Letitia James and California Senator Adam Schiff over allegations they falsified property records to secure favorable loan terms, according to Department of Justice sources.
On Thursday, Attorney General Pam Bondi appointed Ed Martin as a Special Attorney to lead the prosecution of James and Schiff for potential mortgage fraud, bank fraud and wire fraud, which carry jail terms of up to 30 years.

Grand juries weighing criminal charges for Tish James, Adam Schiff: sources

Grand juries in Virginia and Maryland are weighing criminal indictments against New York Attorney General Letitia James and California Senator Adam Schiff.

nypost.com

Good.
Prosecute corrupt politicians.

John G. · 2025-08-09T13:54:17-0500

SHAME!
Pashinian should go!

Chesterton · 2025-08-09T13:52:57-0500

The Liturgist said:
No, rather, you need to ask it about the beef version. By default, its going to tell you the most common ingredient, so if you want something non-standard, you need to express that to it.

Also by the way the extent to which chatGPT is able to satisfy the demands of an end user depends on whether or not you stay logged in, because its in the course of extended conversations where good things tend to happen with that particular AI. Unlike with Grok, which is basically the same on each execution, but which is not as bright or capable as chatGPT.

I don't use chatGPT or Grok because I'm not a fan of signing in to too many things. I avoiding handing over my email address as much as possible. Do you know of any good quality AI site which doesn't require signing in?

Apple Sky · 2025-08-09T13:52:45-0500

tharkun73 said:
Please present your evidence of the flaws in the Apollo designs.

Moon Lander Analysis

you tube https://youtu.be/s6vAiyUIQog?si=DQkCHRQw5BhttdkV

ralliann · 2025-08-09T13:51:28-0500

The Barbarian said:
It suggests that Trump wasn't the only politician on that list. This would explain why Biden never ordered the Justice Department to investigate, and why Trump refuses to release the information. People have noticed:

Americans are overwhelmingly skeptical of Donald Trump‘s handling of information related to the Jeffrey Epstein case. In a new UMass Amherst national poll, 70 percent of respondents said Trump is not handling the Epstein case well, while only 18 percent said he is.
Seven out of 10 respondents said the president is not handling the Epstein files well, while 63 percent said they believe his administration is hiding information related to the case

Poll Shows Widespread Disapproval and Suspicion of Trump's Handling of Epstein Files

Seventy percent of respondents in a new UMass Amherst poll said Trump is not handling the Epstein case well.

www.rollingstone.com

Given his known behavior, people are connecting the dots.
View attachment 368307

Unless he quickly comes clean about the scandal, this is going to be his legacy.

People notice the Dems never did this....for a reason......They are out now.....

DaisyDay · 2025-08-09T13:48:59-0500

Always in His Presence said:
Yeah, that is the long debunked myth.

Not a myth, not debunked.

Always in His Presence said:
And the Klan was self identified as the militant arm of the Democic Party

That is history also.

And you would have a point if the Democic Party were restoring a monument to the Klan.

Apple Sky · 2025-08-09T13:47:15-0500

Strong in Him said:
Reposting because this is important.
I don't expect @Apple Sky to give an answer, or make a serious comment - it's too close to home, so she'll probably change the subject.
But miracles do happen.

See post above.

Larniavc · 2025-08-09T13:47:13-0500

Is DC going to be an experimental Gilead?

DaisyDay · 2025-08-09T13:43:09-0500

Oompa Loompa said:
Is it though?

Evidently.

Oompa Loompa said:
What is the latest approval ratings of the DNC?

What is the latest approval ratings of the RNC?

Tinker Grey · 2025-08-09T13:42:06-0500

Oompa Loompa said:
And it is still one of the most violent cities in the United States.

Not even in the top 25 most dangerous cities: https://realestate.usnews.com/places/rankings/most-dangerous-places

On this list (List of United States cities by crime rate - Wikipedia), it shows up at 31.

Brightfame52 · 2025-08-09T13:41:36-0500

Hentenza said:
Your OP, your burden of proof. I gave you simple verses to look at and you refused to address them. It doesn’t seem that you had much study.

Why address them ? Im sticking to what I posted. I dont have to explain everything you go round up

Apple Sky · 2025-08-09T13:38:39-0500

Strong in Him said:
But Jesus IS Truth.
Conspiracy theories are conspiracy, (plot, scheme, plan) theories.

People are locked up for conspiracy to murder, theft etc. They don't have to have committed the deed or held the gun, but they contributed to the plan or, in some cases, just knew about it.
In the Bible, people made plans to kill someone, 1 Kings 12:20, Acts 23:13, to declare themselves as king, 2 Samuel 15:12 or some other criminal event. A conspiracy, or plot, suggests sneakiness, cunning and secret planning. This is the opposite of openness and truth - no one sneaks around, plotting to tell the truth - and is therefore the opposite of all that Jesus stands for.

Oompa Loompa · 2025-08-09T13:34:18-0500

JustaPewFiller said:
Hmmm...

I'm not sure if this has been posted here or not. But it sounds like an early trial run for implementation of this executive order..

Not sure if he'll start with the rounding up of the homeless part of the order yet or not though..

Ending Crime and Disorder on America's Streets

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, it is hereby ordered: Section 1. Purpose and

www.whitehouse.gov

I dont understand. The vast majority of homeless people on the street either have drug addictions, mental illnesses, or both. Wouldn't you want them off the street and in institutions where they received treatment, food, and shelter while simultaneously ensuring their safety and the safety of the public? Liberals want to defund the police and send social workers instead of cops. Why not a compromise in which the cops are sent to bring them to the social workers?

The Liturgist · 2025-08-09T13:32:48-0500

JustaPewFiller said:
"You got me - I don't know so I took a guess. Here is my best guess..." They always present the answer with some level of assurance.

ChatGPT 5 is specifically designed not to do that. In addition, there were models of chatGPT 4 you could have selected which were more performant in this regard, but less…creative.

Part of the tradeoffs with these AI systems has been between creativity and reliability.

What will improve the experience of anyone using an AI is to maintain an ongoing conversation with it, which allows it to adapt to your particular standards and requirements. For example, you can direct chatGPT to verify all of its answers by checking with a search engine (early examples had no ability to use a search engine or do research; this was introduced with the 4o model and has become progressively better).

With chatGPT 5, there are now two models, the default model and the “thinking” model, which is really a reasoning model, based on the o4 series, whereas default chatgPT 5 is a refinement of the prototype 4.5 but with more flexibility. The thinking model, like Grok, allows you to see the steps it is taking in answering your question, which is diagnostically useful, but it also takes longer to answer queries. The stock version is faster.

Dan Perez · 2025-08-09T13:31:46-0500

Gregory Thompson said:
Sorrow, Sorrow to the nations built on bloodshed, and violence. (Habakkuk 2:12)

.. but isn't that all of the existing nations?

And when. reading Hab 2:12 , I also read Hab. 1:6 and sas : # 1 LO // HEN. , is. a Demonstrative Particle

# 2 RAISE UP // QUM , is HIPHIL , is a Particple Active in the Singular would mean that that nation will raised up only ONCE

# 3. RAISED THE Chaldeans. // Kadima.

It seems to me it is speaking to the Chaldeans and Israel .

dan p

tharkun73 · 2025-08-09T13:29:47-0500

Her only evidence is "I don't believe it". She clearly doesn't have the science, math, or engineering background to even begin to offer criticisms of the Apollo program. For her, "I wouldn't have done it that way." is sufficient even though she cannot present any way that she would have done it. It's typical of a conspiracy theorist who knows nothing about the subject they are claiming to disprove.

The Liturgist · 2025-08-09T13:27:30-0500

Chesterton said:
I had no interest in making that hash. The reason I asked AI about it was because I had watched a video of a renowned South Carolina barbecue chef who said that the meat ingredient they use is either the butt or the head of the cow. He didn't mention pork. He used the head - face meat (yuk). I was curious to see if AI would give that as an optional ingredient. Just now I asked chatGPT the same question about how to make it, and it said it's made with pork. Didn't mention beef as being an option. I thought I had caught AI making a mistake, but I perused a few websites, and yes, pork is most common. But it's pork offal. If I'm ever in South Carolina and someone offers me hash, I'm afraid I'll have to say no thanks.

Maybe if I used the paid version of chatGPT it would have given me more ingredient choices? I don't know.

No, rather, you need to ask it about the beef version. By default, its going to tell you the most common ingredient, so if you want something non-standard, you need to express that to it.

Also by the way the extent to which chatGPT is able to satisfy the demands of an end user depends on whether or not you stay logged in, because its in the course of extended conversations where good things tend to happen with that particular AI. Unlike with Grok, which is basically the same on each execution, but which is not as bright or capable as chatGPT.

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