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Speaker Johnson describes planned No Kings rally as ‘hate America,’ ‘pro-Hamas’ gathering

There are far too many of the people involved in the No Kings protests who are vile, terrible people. They were calling for the death including the beheading if the president, the murder of Miller and Homan. They were celebrating the death of Charlie Kirk and mocking Erica Kirk. Yeah, they were awful people who was hateful and celebrating the assassination of their opponents. I saw video of an adult holding an effigy of Trump.while a young kid stabbed it over and over again. Then a dude in Chicago calling for ICE agents to be shot. Disgusting. This is far too many on the left today. Yeah, they love America all right. Burning American flags, waving Mexican and Palestinian flags.

Can you imagine what the media would be saying if this occurred at a Trump rally just once instead of over and over again all over the country?

Yet the maintenance stream media is silent on this. Yeah, these are not lovers of America.
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'Unity' with Nazi sympathizers: An ugly problem within parts of the political Right

While there is a streak of those we can all agree don't support, for example, political support for the nation/state of Israel on the right, and some have gone into conspiracy-theory land with it - that particularity exists in greater quantity on the political left, and is far more violent on the left when it comes right down to it.

Supporters of political involvement on behalf of Israel have a road of dialogue ahead but they have to speak to both sides of the political spectrum and not just single out those from one party though I do admit our own biases might have us wanting to take sides against only one political side of the aisle or the other.

Plus, speaking to the facts and not people condemning is super important. Calling someone a Nazi because they don't share your views on every minute detail is over the line.

That said, people living in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. While those on the right side of the aisle might not always agree it's not like we are over here hoping for more socialism at the voting booth - quite the opposite actually - and actual Nazis and anti semites aren't being voted into office enmass.

The same cannot be said for the left side of the aisle - a full blown antisemetic communist is about to be Mayor of New York with the full and robust support of the entire democratic party - he's even got Senators stumping for him.

He wants to globalise the intifada, in New York .. enjoy that. Surely communism will be successful and not at all deadly when led by Islamic radicals.

While voices on the right might speak in accordance with their free speech there's none of those actually antisemetic persons getting their shot at being evil from public office except for perhaps accidentally, at least from the political right.

We do pray for those we see as having broad inaccuracies in their thinking but as Christians we try to speak with humility, love and kindness and try to provide a better framework, and if it's not accepted then it's not.

Change is in God's hands so if you purport to speak on behalf of God then maybe don't call people Nazis unless they actually are - an off color joke really isn't it, even if they face some judgement over it. After a group of people are falsely accused of being Nazis for a decade, there will be some joking that seems inappropriate coming from a wounded place. Seems human nature.
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US President Donald Trump made an unplanned stop in Qatar on his way to Malaysia for the ASEAN summit, meeting with the country’s Emir, Sheikh Tamim bin Hamad Al Thani, and Prime Minister Sheikh Mohammed bin Abdulrahman Al Thani aboard Air Force One.
The brief encounter, held during a refuelling stop at Al Udeid Air Base, drew regional and international attention as leaders discussed ongoing peace efforts in Gaza.

King James Bible
For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape 1 Thessalonians 5:3
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What is the root of sin, or sin behind all other sins?

I was thinking about this and whether it is pride or unbelief, and I was thinking it might be pride, that pride is what is behind unbelief when a person doesn't want to trust in Christ for righteousness?

Any thoughts?
There's agents other than the persons involved with not only spiritual blindness and unbelief, but also involved with every evil thought that defiles us.

Mark 4:15, Mark 7:21-23, Acts 26:18, Romans 7:21, Romans 11:8, 2 Cor. 3:14, 2 Cor. 4:4, Eph. 2:2, 1 John 3:8

We see "it" in ourselves first. Then their blockade is a mere spec.

When witnessing we have to learn how to get past the adversaries first.

There are powerful spiritual tools at our disposal. They are quick and effective.

The tools seldom fail. But we too see only in part, even when the tools are set openly before our own eyes.

Most can't get past their own suppositions, that the darkness has pressed into them

Here's your tool: LOVE YOUR NEIGHBORS AS YOURSELF
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Is music getting worse?

I think there needs to be another Bob Dylan. A modern Dylan that speaks to the people but in todays terms. Not heavy music but folk music which is the music that comes from the people. Like the gospel and blues roots music. Dylan primarily was a folk singer like Pete Seeger and the Seekers. They were a voice of the generation that led to all the anti war music.

Now we need a modern version and I can't say I hear anyone singing that way. There are lots of folk singers and some are very good. But its mostly on the fringe and not mainstream. Pop music dominates the charts.

Its not just the music but the words. Thats why gospel and blues roots music was always representative of the culture as it come from the people and a real yearning and expression of what was happening. Now we have many people and especially young people looking for that positive message about whats going on at the moment and to give them something to hope for.
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Ways to deal with being 31 and never having a relationship after improving

That’s the formula I mentioned and there’s people who desire that on both sides. But I’ve reached a different conclusion for myself and what I want to put my time towards. I need margin in my day and don’t want a life filled with busyness or constant activity. I prefer men who do those things for themselves whether they’re single or not. If he outsources it that’s fine but he needs to know how.

There’s a couple I love on youtube. They have a homestead and they’re mormon but he isn’t the norm. He works of course and does the handiwork around the home and farm. But he also helps with the baby (and children), cooks, looks after the animals, helps with the garden and assists with the harvest and preserving too. They have one daughter and the rest are boys and they do the same. Their dynamic isn’t the norm but it’s balanced and I value that.
I used to dream of having a farm. Perhaps I still do but no longer with any emotional attachment.

There’s a lot of men mocking women for losing their jobs or suggesting the absence of government benefits will increase their appeal. That’s a level of callousness that’s hard to forget. We’re nearing the point where it‘s necessary to cross a threshold to reach a different pool or look beyond these shores. It’s time to shut the door on ‘pill ideologies’ and leave them to themselves.
I'd be happy to trade places with them so they can experience the full scope of what they're dreaming about!

They want the ugly fundamentals of the free market to dominate and it's never good. Dependence, inefficiency, exploitation, and "manufactured need". The most progressive societies on Earth are already trying to move away from these barbaric concepts and they want to turn back the time? I suppose back to the time when they still have more control over women.
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Prayers for the Departed

All Souls Novena Day 4 (10/27/25)

O God, the Creater and Redeemer of all the faithful, grant to the souls of Thy servants and handmaids departed, the remission of all their sins; that through pious supplications they may obtain the pardon they have always desired. Who livest and reignest with God the Father in the unity of the Holy Ghost, God, world without end. Amen.
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The Reality of Free Will

The question was...
Did Adam want to disobey God?
The Bible's answer: 1 Timothy 2:14 Yes, he did.

1 Timothy 2:14 Adam was not deceived.
Therefore, the man's disobedience was willful. Adam sinned willfully.
wil·ful·ly
[ˈwɪlfʊli, ˈwɪlfəli]
adverb

  1. with the intention of causing harm; deliberately:
    "she denies four charges of wilfully neglecting a patient"
    "he admitted wilfully ill-treating animals"
  2. with a stubborn and determined intention to do as one wants, regardless of the consequences:
    "he had wilfully ignored the evidence"
    "the business seems willfully headed toward extinction"

As a matter of pragmatics. any reasoning based on something false ends in a contradiction. <-- Your reasoning ends in a contradiction due to a misinterpretation of scripture.

Pauls' sentiments are NOT conveying that Adam willfully desired to disobey God. Paul's sentiments ARE conveying that the man should've listened to God instead of listening to the woman. <--- This is the correct interpretation

That's why your reasoning ends in a contradiction. Paul is NOT implying the man should not allow a woman to usurp authority over the man because the man willfully, intentionally, desired to stubbornly disobey God and cause harm regardless of the consequences. <-- That's a contradiction in reasoning.

I hope this puts the issue to rest.

The point is, there are people who want to disobey God.
The Bible says they are "haters of God".
They do not want to serve God.
Capital G = The Most High
Lower case g = images of gods that miss the mark of reflecting the Most High.

God/good <-- Holy
god/evil <-- misses the mark.

As a matter of pragmatics, a person who hates God and does not want to serve Him would have a corrupt image of god in their mind and the Love that IS God does not reside in them. <-- The point that some people serve their flesh in lieu of God is valid.

38 And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not.
42 But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you.

So, also there are those who want to serve God because the Love that is God their Father resides in them, and therefore they love God.

1 John 4:19​

King James Version​

19 We love him, because he first loved us.​


The two opposite wills are named in scripture after the quality of character that fostered the two opposing images, the children of the devil and the children of God. The major identifying factor of these two identities is ONE IS the actual CREATOR, and the other is AN IMAGE CREATED BY THE CREATURE.

John 8:42
Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me. <-- The point that some people love God is valid.

These are two different Fathers and two different wills/dispositions

The point that some people hate god is valid. --> The children of the devil
The point that some people love God is valid. --> The children of God

The Kingdom of Light is built on the knowledge of God
The kingdom of darkness is built on the ignorance of God.

disposition​

noun

dis·po·si·tion ˌdi-spə-ˈzi-shən

Synonyms of disposition
1
a
: prevailing tendency, mood, or inclination
b
: temperamental makeup
c
: the tendency of something to act in a certain manner under given circumstances

We can see that these are two opposite wills/dispositions based on two opposing images of God/god. One has the free will that is free from sin, And one has the will that is free from righteousness?

When we say a person has a free will because we're free to choose between these images, it implies the creature decides which image is true according to the power of the creature's will, it is a lie.

1 Corinthians 12:3
3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.

John 1:12-13
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

John 6
44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.

The Bible reveals the reason people hate God, and why they hate Jesus.
John 3:19 men loved the darkness rather than the Light because their deeds were evil.
2 Thessalonians 2:11, 12 they refuse to love and accept the truth... [they] did not believe the truth, but took pleasure in wickedness.
2 Corinthians 4:6
For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.

The truth is most people want to do their own thing without feeling restricted by God's requirements.
Yes, and this is because they are believing a lie. This is what selfwilled implies, the carnal will wanting to serve one's own flesh "selfishness". <--This is what you called a free will in the OP. It's a carnal will serving the carnal impetus. <-- Qualifies as an antecedent event (prior cause), not a free will.

free will
2 of 2

noun

1
: voluntary choice or decision
I do this of my own free will


2
: freedom of humans to make choices that are not determined by prior causes or by divine intervention

Those who do not believe this fact, do not believe the Bible, because the Bible makes this clear, in many places.
That is why Jesus will slaughter all of them, because they hate his father, and they hate the truth.
Matthew 7:21-23; Luke 19:11-27; Revelation 19:11-16; Zephaniah 1:14-18
The transformation from the carnal mind to the mind of Christ is the work of the Holy Spirit of Truth that comes by grace through faith. It's a revelation and NOT the product of man's will.

The will that is set free from servitude to sin is not set free by a carnal impetus, it is set free by God through the knowledge of God's Person Who is His Christ.

2 Corinthians 4:1-4
1 Therefore seeing we have this ministry, as we have received mercy, we faint not;

2 But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God.

3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

5 For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake.

6 For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.

7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

Mark 2:17
When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

Romans 2:4
Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?

Luke 15:6
And when he cometh home, he calleth together his friends and neighbours, saying unto them, Rejoice with me; for I have found my sheep which was lost.

Luke 15:24
For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found. And they began to be merry.

3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
What did I interpret?
I didn't interpret anything.
If you believe I did, please point out one of those interpretations. Thank you.
You misinterpret scripture, by saying Adam was not deceived = Adam sinned willfully

1 Timothy 2:14 Adam was not deceived.
Therefore, the man's disobedience was willful. Adam sinned willfully.
What's your point?
You said, "the desire to sin is based on first believing a lie".
That is false. How do we know it's false.
The Bible says Adam was not deceived. 1 Timothy 2:14
So Adam's was not deceived by the lie. Adam chose independence from God.
Incorrect interpretation. This above is projection. WE need to NOT project our wickedness onto others --> Titus 1:15
Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.
Rather, trials arise from our own desires, which entice us and drag us away. These desire are what, gives birth to sin; which then result in problems that even lead to death.
That's what James says.
We're going in circles. As a matter of pragmatics every desire to disobey God must be based on a lie because God is The Spirit of Truth. Why won't you accept my exhortation that the only true free will is one free from sin? The Holy Spirit of Truth is who sets us free.

childeye 2 said:
I don't think you realize that the desire to sin is based on first believing a lie. Inordinate lusts of the flesh are the product of vain imaginings.

CoreyD said:
I do not realize that, because it's not what the scriptures reveal.

childeye 2 said:
It says it right here --> Romans 1:21
Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

And here --> Ephesians 4:22
That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;

And here --> Hebrews 3:13
But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.

That's your point?
Well, I thought you were saying free will cannot exist because sin exists.
If however, you are saying you are not defining free will as a will free from sin, we agree, because that's what I have been saying all along. Free will does not depend on being sinless. A sinful person can exercise free will, because many have voluntarily resisted evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies...
When I say a will set free from sin, I'm talking about a will free from a sickness/corruption, a will free from the desire to sin. A will free from the lies that evil desires arise out of. I'm talking about a Truth that Jesus alludes to when he says, "The Truth will set you free" and I'm talking about what Paul says:

7 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.

18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
I see you are married. Have you given into adulteries.?.. Don't answer that. :grin:
When is the last time you murdered someone? What about thefts... stole anyone's watch, or jewelry?
Whatever your answer, it's because God allows you the freedom to exercise the gift of free will.
Adultery is of the devil, it's NOT God allowing me to exercise any gift from God. The lust of fornication is based on believing a lie.

I was married at seventeen. For some stupid reason I was under the impression that I needed to lose my virginity to become a man. <--I believed a lie. BAM!!... I was married at seventeen due to an unwanted pregnancy. Thereafter, before I was set free by The Holy Spirit of Truth I lusted after women committing adultery in my heart with my eyes. It was not my desire to have those desires, but I could not stop no matter how hard I tried.

Long story short, I sought God with all my heart for help, and He delivered me from those lusts by showing me how it was dishonoring those I lusted after, and dishonoring myself. The conviction didn't happen all at once. I was first given a glimpse of a virtue I was missing, and I was cleansed for that moment. I asked why it went away, and I was told that I had to learn why it was dishonoring others and myself, and what I was believing that was imaginary and not true. I also was told God would not give it to me until I acknowledge the virtue came from Him and not me, and I was shown how I would squander it if my conviction was not complete.

My son in law was a dropdown drunk alcoholic. His mother had abandoned him and his family to join a motorcycle gang. His Father was a Vietnam vet who suffered with PTSD, and he was a struggling alcoholic too. But my son in law had a really serious problem, and we went through some really bad stuff. We tried everything, and it was costing us dearly both emotionally and financially. After the third DUI we gave up and turned to God with all of our hearts. After serious time praying in desperation, God healed him in one night. He's been a model son in law, Husband and Father ever since.
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Not according to reports about Biden who was running for a second term.
What reports were those?

A president being on good terms with foreign dignitaries is supposed to be a bad thing.

When that good favor comes about because of them patronizing his business? Yes. But nice job disingenuously misinterpreting what I wrote. *thumbsup*
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The Time Has Come to Upgrade 2A

Understanding the Role of the National Guard
Right here the argument goes off the rails. The AI apparently didn't know about state defense forces, as authorized in the US Code, Title 32, Section 109. That dates back to the 1950s. Federalization of state forces had been a sore point all the way back to the War of 1812, and state defense forces addressed that somewhat. Basically, states can fund and maintain their own defense force, which was pretty much the way of things before, but these forces could not be federalized. For the most part nothing much has been done with it, but it's on the books. When I once saw an honest to goodness posse assembled, that may or may not have been under that authority. The same when a law enforcement officer needed backup and pointed out a few of us to provide it. Doubt the latter would happen now; not so sure that the former wouldn't still happen.

Something to keep in mind that state defense forces are not and have never been ad hoc militias. Militias operated under direct authority of the state, it's members paid for their time on active duty. Mess up while called up, and it was a court-martial. A unit that really messed up was disbanded and the district divided up into other districts. Assemble an ad hoc militia could bring you up on civilian charges. Some units apparently elected their officers, but in other states they were commissioned by the state, The whole point was that citizens were expected to respond to being called up in time of trouble. In rural areas, that's still the case for all sorts of emergencies.

Something wide: States are still divided up into militia districts. They used to show these on county maps.
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Hubble Constant (Ho) fixed to light speed, C and calculated as 71 k/s/Mpc. God did it!!

You will find all secular guesses come from desparation to challenge God.
I think you are over representing how much many people value Christianity. Certainly when doing science. Supernatural beings don’t factor into science.
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How people choose a church

The Pew Research Centre conducted a poll a few years ago asking people why they chose the church they did, after for example moving to a different area. The most common reasons were the quality of the sermon, the welcome they got, how much they liked the style of worship, and the location of the church. Well behind these was the specific teachings of the church.
So what I’d like to hear people’s views about is whether “doctrinal purity” is, or even ought to be, a consideration in people’s choice of a church. If it’s not, doesn’t that make the religious wars of past centuries quite pointless, and no church should claim to be “the one true church” or whatever?
The most important thing is apostolic succession. Second in importance is the succession of doctrine from the Apostles. Everything else is less important.
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'Unity' with Nazi sympathizers: An ugly problem within parts of the political Right

Is this "Nazi" as in Nationalsozialismus, or "Nazi" as used by those who deem anyone who isn't one of them a Nazi? Since some call Israel and its supporters "fascists" and growing antisemitism seems to be coming from "progressives," it needs to be asked.
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Thanks for posting this! What is the 'works of the law' he refers to at 28:35? We are justified by grace except by works of the law, I think he said? Can you explain?
Hi ChubbyCherub,

Not quite right; what you are questioning is the second lesson which is read directly from Romans 3:19-28 (ESV); please note in particular, the last two verses which I have highlighted; what it says is we are only justified by faith, not the law. This doctrine of justification was one of the corner stones of the reformation as the Catholic Church at that time was, and two a lesser extent today, still teaches that we can cooperate with our salvation. It was the book of Romans that brought this to light for Martin Luther. It seems that St. Paul was a Lutheran. ;)


19 Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God. 20 Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God’s sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin.

Righteousness Through Faith

21 But now apart from the law the righteousness of God has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. 22 This righteousness is given through faith in[h] Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference between Jew and Gentile, 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 and all are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. 25 God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement,[i] through the shedding of his blood—to be received by faith. He did this to demonstrate his righteousness, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished— 26 he did it to demonstrate his righteousness at the present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus.

27 Where, then, is boasting? It is excluded. Because of what law? The law that requires works? No, because of the law that requires faith. 28 For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the law.
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The Time Has Come to Upgrade 2A

2A - "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State,
the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Enquiry: Since under federal law, the National Guard is designated as the "organized militia", how could the citizenry possibly recover if in fact, a powerful tyrant were to assume the reigns of power?

AI Search Assist

If a powerful tyrant were to assume control, recovery for the citizenry could involve grassroots movements, civil disobedience, and the establishment of alternative governance structures. Additionally, the support of the National Guard and other military forces, if aligned with the people, could play a crucial role in restoring democratic order.

Understanding the Role of the National Guard

The National Guard serves as the "organized militia" under federal law, which means it is a reserve military force that can be called upon by both state and federal authorities. Its primary functions include:

  • Domestic Response: Assisting in emergencies like natural disasters or civil unrest.
  • Federal Support: Being deployed for overseas military operations when needed.
Citizenry and Tyranny

In the event of a tyrant assuming power, the citizenry's ability to recover would depend on several factors:

1. Legal Framework

  • The Constitution provides mechanisms for checks and balances, including, the ability to challenge unlawful actions through the judiciary.
  • Citizens can advocate for their rights and freedoms through peaceful protests and legal actions.
2. Civil Society and Resistance
  • A strong civil society can mobilize public opinion against tyranny. Grassroots movements and organizations can play a crucial role in resistance.
  • Historical examples show that organized resistance can effectively challenge oppressive regimes.
3. Role of the National Guard
  • While the National Guard is under state control, it can also be federalized. If a tyrant were to misuse the Guard, citizens could appeal to other military branches or federal authorities to restore order.
  • The loyalty of National Guard members to their communities can be a significant factor in resisting tyranny.
  • Historical connection: The National Guard evolved from the state militias and was considered a form of "select militia" at the end of the 18th century and throughout the 19th century.
  • The modern interpretation of the amendment considers both the organized (National Guard) and unorganized (citizenry) components of the militia, although there is no consensus on how this applies to modern gun rights.
Conclusion

The recovery from tyranny would likely involve a combination of legal action, civil resistance, and the potential support of military forces that uphold constitutional values. The citizenry's engagement and resilience are crucial in such scenarios.
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Who is on the Lords Side?

He who is not with Me, is against Me….. Matthew 12:30

But, all the nations and people groups currently occupying the Holy Land, are not with Jesus. Only a very small percentage of individual Christian people are there. Isaiah 29:1-4 describes how a small Jewish Christian group will survive.
The Jewish State of Israel continues in its rejection of Jesus and all the Muslim entities worship Allah, the satanic moon god, represented by the crescent symbol.

Matthew 12:26 If it is Satan who fights Satan, he is divided against himself - how can his kingdom stand?

Todays kind of situation is nothing new; the Sunni sect of Islam hates the Shi-ite sect and even Christian peoples fight each other. The original example is when the Northern ten tribes of the House of Israel opposed the Jewish House of Judah; Israel is in rebellion against Judah unto this day. 1 Kings 12:19

God is in control and He allowed the Jewish State of Israel to be established by a group of Zionist atheists under communistic principles. Most do not acknowledge their Creator God and they arrogantly rely on their own strength. The criteria for citizenship is not ethnicity, but mainly the practice of Judaism.

The reason God has tolerated their existence is that the Jews are the symbolic face of ancient Israel, while God, thru the Holy Spirit, works with the real Israelites of God - those grafted into the olive tree, Jew and Gentile. It is the faithful Christian peoples who display the fruit of the Spirit. Galatians 5:22-25, Matthew 21:43

Many Bible Prophesies say that the Lord will clear and cleanse the Holy Land and will then gather His peoples to live there. It is our destiny and great privilege to be alive at this pivotal point in human history.
Be ready to stand firm in your faith and trust the Lord, as we pass through all that must take place until the glorious Return of Jesus as Lord of Lords and King of Kings.



The Apostle Paul was of the tribe of Benjamin but was also a Roman citizen and also and most importantly so, a child of the living God.

Paul wept over the list of Israel and so did Jesus, our Lord and Savior.

We preach, we pray and we warn all the children of man but we don't see men along racial lines.

There's two groups in the world, the children of God and everyone else, the saved and the unsaved.

The children of God have the responsibility of stewardship and of charity, and they do this weeping over the lost of Israel praying that they quickly be brought into the fold and are lost no more.

As they can come from any tribe or tongue our job isn't to snub our noses and condemn them before the time.

In stewardship ethnic Israel is our responsibility second only to the saved children of God. We do not despise them because they are ethnically the people of our God.

I consider them cousins, and it's a good comparison to make. While our first charge is one another in Christ, our second is to our family, and not all of them are saved.
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