The question was...
Did Adam want to disobey God?
The Bible's answer:
1 Timothy 2:14 Yes, he did.
1 Timothy 2:14 Adam was not deceived.
Therefore, the man's disobedience was willful.
Adam sinned willfully.
wil·ful·ly
[ˈwɪlfʊli, ˈwɪlfəli]
adverb
- with the intention of causing harm; deliberately:
"she denies four charges of wilfully neglecting a patient"
"he admitted wilfully ill-treating animals"
- with a stubborn and determined intention to do as one wants, regardless of the consequences:
"he had wilfully ignored the evidence"
"the business seems willfully headed toward extinction"
As a matter of pragmatics. any reasoning based on something false ends in a contradiction. <-- Your reasoning ends in a contradiction due to a misinterpretation of scripture.
Pauls' sentiments
are NOT conveying that Adam
willfully desired to disobey God. Paul's sentiments
ARE conveying that
the man should've listened to God instead of listening to the woman. <--- This is the correct interpretation
That's why your reasoning ends in a contradiction.
Paul is NOT implying the man should not allow a woman to usurp authority over the man because
the man willfully, intentionally, desired to stubbornly disobey God and cause harm regardless of the consequences. <-- That's a contradiction in reasoning.
I hope this puts the issue to rest.
The point is, there are people who want to disobey God.
The Bible says they are "haters of God".
They do not want to serve God.
Capital G = The Most High
Lower case g = images of gods that miss the mark of reflecting the Most High.
God/good <-- Holy
god/evil <-- misses the mark.
As a matter of pragmatics,
a person who hates God and does not want to serve Him would have a corrupt image of god in their mind and the Love that IS God does not reside in them. <-- The point that some people serve their flesh in lieu of God is valid.
38 And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not.
42 But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you.
So, also t
here are those who want to serve God because the Love that is God their Father resides in them, and therefore
they love God.
1 John 4:19
King James Version
19 We love him, because he first loved us.
The two opposite wills are named in scripture after the quality of character that fostered the two opposing images, the children of the devil and the children of God. The major identifying factor of these two identities is ONE IS the actual CREATOR, and the other is AN IMAGE CREATED BY THE CREATURE.
John 8:42
Jesus said unto them,
If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me. <-- The point that some people love God is valid.
These are two different Fathers and two different wills/dispositions
The point that some people hate god is valid. --> The children of the devil
The point that some people love God is valid. --> The children of God
The Kingdom of Light is built on the knowledge of God
The kingdom of darkness is built on the ignorance of God.
disposition
dis·po·si·tion
ˌdi-spə-ˈzi-shən
Synonyms of disposition
1
a
: prevailing tendency, mood, or
inclination
b
: temperamental
makeup
c
: the tendency of something to act in a certain manner under given circumstances
We can see that these are two opposite wills/dispositions based on two opposing images of God/god. One has the free will that is free from sin, And one has the will that is free from righteousness?
When we say a person has a free will because we're free to choose between these images, it implies the creature decides which image is true according to the power of the creature's will, it is a lie.
1 Corinthians 12:3
3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that
no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.
John 1:12-13
12 But as many as received him,
to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13 Which were born,
not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
John 6
44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
The Bible reveals the reason people hate God, and why they hate Jesus.
John 3:19 men loved the darkness rather than the Light because their deeds were evil.
2 Thessalonians 2:11,
12 they refuse to love and accept the truth... [they] did not believe the truth, but took pleasure in wickedness.
2 Corinthians 4:6
For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath
shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.
The truth is most people want to do their own thing without feeling restricted by God's requirements.
Yes, and this is because they are believing a lie. This is what selfwilled implies, the carnal will wanting to serve one's own flesh "selfishness". <--This is what you called a free will in the OP.
It's a carnal will serving the carnal impetus. <-- Qualifies as an antecedent event (prior cause), not a free will.
free will
2 of 2
1
: voluntary choice or decision
I do this of my own
free will
2
: freedom of humans to make choices that are
not determined by prior causes or by divine intervention
Those who do not believe this fact, do not believe the Bible, because the Bible makes this clear, in many places.
That is why
Jesus will slaughter all of them, because they hate his father, and they hate the truth.
Matthew 7:21-23;
Luke 19:11-27;
Revelation 19:11-16;
Zephaniah 1:14-18
The transformation from the carnal mind to the mind of Christ is the work of the Holy Spirit of Truth that comes by grace through faith. It's a revelation and NOT the product of man's will.
The will that is set free from servitude to sin is not set free by a carnal impetus, it is set free by God through the knowledge of God's Person Who is His Christ.
2 Corinthians 4:1-4
1 Therefore seeing we have this ministry,
as we have received mercy, we faint not;
2 But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but
by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God.
3 But
if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
4 In whom
the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
5 For
we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake.
6
For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.
7
But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.
Mark 2:17
When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to
repentance.
Romans 2:4
Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that
the goodness of God leadeth thee to
repentance?
Luke 15:6
And when he cometh home, he calleth together his friends and neighbours, saying unto them, Rejoice with me; for
I have found my sheep which was lost.
Luke 15:24
For this my son was dead, and is alive again;
he was lost,
and is found. And they began to be merry.
3 But if our gospel be hid, it is
hid to them that are lost:
4
In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
What did I interpret?
I didn't interpret anything.
If you believe I did, please point out one of those interpretations. Thank you.
You misinterpret scripture, by saying Adam was not deceived = Adam sinned willfully
1 Timothy 2:14 Adam was not deceived.
Therefore, the man's disobedience was willful.
Adam sinned willfully.
What's your point?
You said, "the desire to sin is based on first believing a lie".
That is false. How do we know it's false.
The Bible says Adam was not deceived. 1 Timothy 2:14
So Adam's was not deceived by the lie. Adam chose independence from God.
Incorrect interpretation. This above is projection.
WE need to
NOT project our wickedness onto others -->
Titus 1:15
Unto the
pure all things are
pure: but unto them that are
defiled and unbelieving is nothing
pure; but even
their mind and conscience is defiled.
Rather, trials arise from our own desires, which entice us and drag us away. These desire are what, gives birth to sin; which then result in problems that even lead to death.
That's what James says.
We're going in circles. As a matter of pragmatics
every desire to disobey God must be based on a lie because God is The Spirit of Truth. Why won't you accept my exhortation that the only true free will is one free from sin? The Holy Spirit of Truth is who sets us free.
childeye 2 said:
I don't think you realize that the desire to sin is based on first believing a lie. Inordinate lusts of the flesh are the product of vain imaginings.
CoreyD said:
I do not realize that, because
it's not what the scriptures reveal.
childeye 2 said:
It says it right here -->
Romans 1:21
Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became
vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
And here -->
Ephesians 4:22
That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man,
which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;
And here -->
Hebrews 3:13
But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened
through the deceitfulne
ss of sin.
That's your point?
Well, I thought you were saying free will cannot exist because sin exists.
If however, you are saying you are not defining free will as a will free from sin, we agree, because that's what I have been saying all along. Free will does not depend on being sinless. A sinful person can exercise free will, because many have voluntarily resisted evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies...
When I say a will set
free from sin, I'm talking about a will free from a sickness/corruption, a will free from the desire to sin. A will free from the lies that evil desires arise out of. I'm talking about a Truth that Jesus alludes to when he says, "The Truth will set you free" and I'm talking about what Paul says:
7 But
God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but
ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
18 Being then made
free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
I see you are married. Have you given into adulteries.?.. Don't answer that.

When is the last time you murdered someone? What about thefts... stole anyone's watch, or jewelry?
Whatever your answer, it's because God allows you the freedom to exercise the gift of free will.
Adultery is of the devil, it's NOT God allowing me to exercise any gift from God. The lust of fornication is based on believing a lie.
I was married at seventeen. For some stupid reason I was under the impression that I needed to lose my virginity to become a man. <--I believed a lie. BAM!!... I was married at seventeen due to an unwanted pregnancy. Thereafter, before I was set free by The Holy Spirit of Truth I lusted after women committing adultery in my heart with my eyes. It was not my desire to have those desires, but I could not stop no matter how hard I tried.
Long story short, I sought God with all my heart for help, and He delivered me from those lusts by showing me how it was dishonoring those I lusted after, and dishonoring myself. The conviction didn't happen all at once. I was first given a glimpse of a virtue I was missing, and I was cleansed for that moment. I asked why it went away, and I was told that I had to learn why it was dishonoring others and myself, and what I was believing that was imaginary and not true. I also was told God would not give it to me until I acknowledge the virtue came from Him and not me, and I was shown how I would squander it if my conviction was not complete.
My son in law was a dropdown drunk alcoholic. His mother had abandoned him and his family to join a motorcycle gang. His Father was a Vietnam vet who suffered with PTSD, and he was a struggling alcoholic too. But my son in law had a really serious problem, and we went through some really bad stuff. We tried everything, and it was costing us dearly both emotionally and financially. After the third DUI we gave up and turned to God with all of our hearts. After serious time praying in desperation, God healed him in one night. He's been a model son in law, Husband and Father ever since.