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Bro.T · Oct 5, 2025

Abraham1st said:
That is one chapter on sinning. Another would be being born again, which is one further than receiving the knowledge of the truth, but another is where all old is passed away and all is become new.

1 Corinthians 15:34 Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.

2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

1 John 3:3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

1 John 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

1 Peter 4:1 Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;
2 That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God.

2 Peter 2:14 Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:

One must understand that born again is a change in the body not the mind. Now Paul says in Romans 12: 1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service. 2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. Let’s jump right in a conversation that Jesus was having with a man name Nicodemus. John 3:1 There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews: 2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him. 3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

Notice verse 3, except a man is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. We have just learned something here. If you are not born again you can not see the kingdom of God. As we go further you will understand this. Remember there is a time for everything.

Nicodemus asked a very good question. Take a look at the next set of verses.

John 3:4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? 5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

In verse 5, born of the water in this case is the Word of God. Notice the Lord mentions the kingdom of God again, but He adds a little more information. He says "Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. When he mentions spirit He means exactly that. Watch how the Lord gives something physical to describe exactly what He means.

John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Notice: He made a difference between flesh and spirit. Ask yourself that question, was you born flesh or spirit? Angels where born spirit being, man and beast are born flesh and blood. There will be no flesh in the Father Kingdom, only spirit beings, so everyone must be born again. Only Jesus in his thousand year reign will have both, which includes the first resurrection.

John 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

Notice: He compared the wind to a spirit. Can you see the wind? No! We have seen things being blown around by the wind, but we have never seen the wind. If you are born of the spirit you are like the wind. This is when you are truly born again, when you are born of the spirit.

Notice: what Jesus does in these next few verses.

Remember, this is after His resurrection.

John 20:26 And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you. 27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. 28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

Note two very important things within these verses. 1. Jesus appeared in the midst of them and the doors were shut. 2. Thomas called Him God. When Jesus came out of the grave he was born into the God family, Jesus was Born Again.

Bro.T · Oct 5, 2025

Abraham1st said:
I think you are a little forgetful about who is called and chosen. ( regarding your quote to me about charging those who are rick in THIS WORLD) Law is finished, the poor are chosen but some are rich, and some treat the rich as if they are worthy when they are not..

According to what you just said and what the Bible says about who is chosen, let's see what the Lord says....."Hear this word that the Lord hath spoken against you, O children of Israel, against the whole family which I brought up from the land of Egypt, saying, you only have I known of all the families of the earth: Therefore I will punish you for all your iniquities." (Amos 3:1-2)

For what purpose did the Lord choose the children of Israel? (Exodus 19: 1-6) Let's look at the 5th & 6th vs.; "Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine: (6th vs.) and ye shall be unto me a Kingdom of Priest, and a holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel." Take a look at what Peter was telling the Jews, quoting Moses in 1 Peter 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:

What is the covenant that the Lord made with his people? (Deuteronomy 29: 10-15) "Ye stand this day all of you before the Lord your God; your captains of your tribes, your elders, and your officers, with all the men of Israel, (11th vs.) your little ones, your wives and thy stranger that is in thy camp, from the hewer of thy wood unto the drawer of thy water: (12th vs.) That thou shouldest enter into covenant with the Lord thy God, and into his oath, which the Lord thy God maketh with thee this day: (13th vs.) That he may establish thee this day for a people unto himself, and that he may be unto thee a God, as he hath said unto thee, and as he hath sworn unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob. (14th verse) Neither with you only do I make this covenant and this oath; (15th vs.) but with him that standeth here with us this day before the Lord our God, and also with him that is not with us this day:

What is the law that the people of God are to observe? (Exodus 20: 1-23) The Ten Commandments, God descended from heaven and spoke his commandments face to face with his people.

Is this law for the children of Israel only? No. (Leviticus 24: 22) "Ye shall have one manner of law, as well for the stranger, as for one of your own country: For I am the Lord your God."

How can one who is not of the lineage of Israel, become partakers of the covenant of God? (Ephesians 2:11-22) Let's look at the 11th through 13th verses. "Wherefore remember, that ye being in the time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called uncircumcision by that which is called the circumcision in the flesh made by hands; (12th vs.) That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenant of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: (13th vs.) But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ."

Abraham1st said:
Luke 6:20 And he lifted up his eyes on his disciples, and said, Blessed be ye poor: for yours is the kingdom of God.

Luke 6:24 But woe unto you that are rich! for ye have received your consolation.

2 Corinthians 9:6 But this I say, He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully.
7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.
8 And God is able to make all grace abound toward you; that ye, always having all sufficiency in all things, may abound to every good work:
9 (As it is written, He hath dispersed abroad; he hath given to the poor: his righteousness remaineth for ever.

James 3:5 Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him?
6 But ye have despised the poor. Do not rich men oppress you, and draw you before the judgment seats?
7 Do not they blaspheme that worthy name by the which ye are called?

Going to James, do you think anyone will need to be told how to do works or they have no faith, and have to be made to believe in what Abraham did to do his steps. works, or they already walk in the steps of Abraham and his faith, as Romans 4 tells us..

Romans 4:12 And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.
13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.

Romans 4:23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him;
24 But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;
25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

I agree with all those verses but everything have to be put in it's context or proper place.

Colo Millz · Oct 5, 2025

Stopped_lurking said:
It reads like a false dilemma, why does the world have to be setup in such a way that it's possible to have both eschatological glory and avoid earthly suffering? I guess that is what is argued before this part of the text.

When it comes to making a rational choice between them the only thing I need is a way to ascribe some utility to what's presented to me and choose the one that maximizes the utility based on the available information. To me eschatological glory doesn't even sound good but minimizing earthly suffering I do find good, so it is an easy and rational choice. So there are contexts where such a judgement can be meaningfully made, hence my initial objection.

Perhaps the next part of the passage I quoted would be of interest:

And yet Ivan’s argument still cannot be set aside, for a number of reasons: because it is in fact a genuinely moral pathos to which it gives expression, which means that it is haunted by the declaration in Christ of God’s perfect goodness; and because it is precisely the finite Euclidean mind that is meant to be transfigured by God’s love and awakened to God’s mercy, and so the restlessness of the unquiet heart must not be treated as mere foolish unfaithfulness; and because, simply said, the suffering of children remains real and horrible and unjust, and it is obscene to seek to mitigate the scandal of such suffering by allowing hope to degenerate into banal confidence in “God’s great plan.”

Hart, David Bentley. The Doors of the Sea: Where Was God in the Tsunami? (pp. 69-70). Eerdmans. Kindle Edition.

Maria Billingsley · Oct 5, 2025

LynnMaria said:
Hey there!

My name is Lynn, and I was given my middle name Maria when I was baptized this Easter. It has been a long journey toward my faith, which took me from the streets of Brooklyn and the noise of NYC, to a quiet town in North Carolina.

Prayer is still difficult for me, as all the noise of my own mind bothers me. But being an active member of my church, and part of my science fiction group, helps me balance science and faith.

I am also an aspiring author, and accountant by trade.

Would love to chat and meet people, so drop me a line!

God Bless.

Welcome!

Maria Billingsley · Oct 5, 2025

miqueias91 said:
Olá irmãos e irmãs em Cristo,

Meu nome é Matias, e estou aqui do Brasil! Tenho acompanhado as discussões aqui há algum tempo e tenho sido muito abençoado pela comunidade. Decidi que era hora de me inscrever e me apresentar.

Um pouco sobre mim: sou desenvolvedora independente de aplicativos por profissão. Há alguns anos, senti um forte chamado para combinar minhas habilidades em tecnologia com minha fé. Desde então, minha missão pessoal se tornou tentar tornar a Palavra de Deus mais acessível e fácil de usar nos dispositivos que usamos todos os dias. Acredito que a tecnologia pode ser uma ferramenta poderosa para o estudo quando é simples, rápida e focada.

Então, passei os últimos anos criando alguns aplicativos bíblicos diferentes para Android — alguns em meu português nativo e, mais recentemente, uma versão em inglês da versão KJV com áudio completo e recursos offline.

Não estou aqui para enviar spam de links ou algo do tipo, mas queria ser transparente sobre minha paixão e meu trabalho desde o começo.

Espero realmente me conectar com outros crentes, aprender com suas discussões e ouvir o que vocês buscam em ferramentas digitais para sua jornada de fé. Estou especialmente interessado em receber feedback no futuro sobre como posso tornar meus projetos mais úteis para a comunidade.

Estou ansioso para conhecer todos vocês!

Deus abençoe.

Welcome!

Reginald Taylor Jr · Oct 5, 2025

October 5, 2025 Acts 8: 9-24 KJV

: I Worship God with meaning, Book of Acts all to obey God -How we need to believe God. My Interpetation:Verse 9 I Worship God eyes to see, word to believe in, living water of life freely, healing power and cure. I Worship God Gospel of Jesus Christ available to all people. My Interpetation Verse 14 I Worship God of truth for me tool receive from God with authority. Holy Spirit to approve and disapprove. Holy Ghost to do all things through Christ which strengtheneths me.

Intrepretation Written and Spoken by Reginald Taylor Jr

PTW · Oct 5, 2025

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Dan Perez · Oct 5, 2025

Aristarkos said:
Mixing up the groups in Scripture is what stops our spiritual growth. As I explained before, you cannot project to a group that wasn't even known. The Thessalonian letters are written for the church of God, those are the sons of God consisting of Jews and gentiles. They will inherit the heavens and the earth as promised to Abraham. God promised the land (as sand on the shores of the sea) and the world (as the stars of heaven) Gen. 22:17.

THE body of Christ is nowhere mentioned in Scripture before Ephesians. "The" body of Thessalonians, Romans and Corinthians has apostles as a head, THE body of Christ has only Christ as a head. In the Greek the word "the" is only used in Ephesians in connection to body of Christ.

The fact this is not seen is the reason the everything-is-the-same theology was invented.

The Body of Corinthians is not called the Body of Christ, but: Body of Christ. This term only occurs in 1 Cor. 12:27: You are Body of Christ (Greek). As it is said, that the woman is body of the man, because both are a unity, but she is not yet the body of the man, that group is called: Body of Christ, not: the Body of Christ. This term: the Body of Christ we find in Eph. 4:12 we find the Body in Eph. 4:16, 5:23, His Body in Eph. 1:23; 5:30, one Body in Eph. 2:16, 4:4; fellow-body (sussomos) in Ef. 3:6, the whole Body in Eph. 4:16, together 9 times.

The Body of Corinthians is a group for the heavens, it gets to dwell in the house of the Father, is like the stars of heaven, Gen. 15:5, is blessed by Christ with the faithful Abraham, Gal. 3:9, is Abraham's spiritual seed, Gal. 3:29, belongs to the Jerusalem that is Above, Gal. 4:26, it goes to meet the Lord in the air, 1 Thess. 4:13 — 17, becomes the heir of the world, 1 Cor. 6:2, Rom. 4:13. For this group are written the Letters to the Thess., Cor., Gal., Rom. and Hebrews.

The Body of Ephesians has its position in the over-heavenly, source text of Eph. 1:3, 20; 2:6; 3:10; 6:12, over above all things, source text Eph. 1:21. It has a calling for Above, source text Php. 3:14. For this chosen group is, Eph., Col., Php., Philemon, and 2 Tim. written. (As input and preparation for it, Titus and 1 Tim.).

In the Body of Corinthians are signs and gifts. 9 are mentioned, which are canceled, not because of no longer being necessary or of forfeiting them, but because God did the perfect come. It, had blessings for the earth. In the Body of Ephesians are no gifts. They are completely absent as a body. It only receives spiritual blessings, in Christ, in the over-heavenly, Eph. 1:3.

In the Body of Corinthians there is guidance by Spiritual gifts, by revelations, prophecies, etc. 1 Cor. 12, Gal. 2, in the Body of Ephesians there is Spiritual Guidance, being filled with the word of Christ, Col. 3:16, a speaking of the mystery of Christ, Col. 4:3. The rightly dividing of the Word and the contact through the Spirit with God are the highest gifts for this group. The Body of Corinthians belongs to the sphere in which two dispensations run parallel, namely the Pentecostal dispensation for Israel and the dispensation of justification for all who see in Christ the end of the law and the Seed of Abraham; see, 2 Cor. 3, Rom. 10:4, Gal. 3:16. It finds its good tidings in the gospel of God.

The Body of Ephesians belongs to the dispensation of the mystery. It finds its ministry in the gospel of the grace of God, Eph. 3:2 introduced by the gospel of the glory of Christ, 2 Cor. 4:4.

The Body of Corinthians is the elaboration of the counsel of God, Acts 20:27. This includes the world of mankind. The Body of Ephesians is elaboration of the purpose of the aions (KJV = eternal purpose, Eph. 3:11). This purpose spans all the aions.

The Body of Corinthians waits for the day of the Lord, for the revelation of Christ, 1 Cor. 1:7, 1 Thess. 4:13 — 17, 2 Thess. 2. It can only arise again when Israel comes to expect the return of the Lord in its land, so the hope of Israel becomes alive again, for the taking up to meet the Lord is part of the Lord's return.

The Body of Ephesians expect to fellow-sit in the over-heavenly, Eph. 2:6. This is done in the day of Christ, Phil. 1:6, 10, 2:16. For the prize winners has the hope, the being with Christ, already been realized by the (Greek) out-resurrection, Phil. 3:11 (KJV: resurrection). That is becoming disbanded (released from the grave) and being with Christ.

I posted 2500 posts on bibleforums.org mostly about this subject and you were there at that time.

Aristarkos

And Paul. was the first ONE in. the Body. of Christ. and ! Tim 1:15. and 16 proves it and is. the PATTERN. of. the ones

coming to believe on HIM. unto everlasting. life !!

dan p

HARK! · Oct 5, 2025

eclipsenow said:
You know - even psychologically assess them - get back ground checks, and let in some of this river of gold legitimately to resolve the issues you've mentioned above.

That is difficult to do when they break in illegally. If you posted an add for a roommate; and some criminal broke into your home ans squatted there; would you apply the same standard?

eclipsenow said:
Find the criminal and insane!
Process the law abiding and respectful!

This administration is working on that by telling them to get in line and wait their turn.

eclipsenow said:
Prevent those bosses operating indentured servitude like business models with the undocumented!

Many of these bosses are criminal aliens. This administration is working on that too.

Maria Billingsley · Oct 5, 2025

dms1972 said:
I've been reading about these different eschatological views, I was going to ask for a summary of the main ones, but I know the gist of them, and in any case there seems to be variations on each.

I remember saying to someone about a church I was going to attend and they said to me "Oh...They believe in Pre-wrath" Well the main eschatological position I was exposed to during my teens was Pre-trib., Pre-millenialism. So maybe they thought it might be a shock to me to sit under Pre-wrath teaching. But in other churches I have been to I can discern no clear position - except one which seemed like the Pastor was Preterist in one of his sermons. I explored some of the others views as I got older, such as Post-millenialism and Protestant Historicism. My issue with some of these views, are that they seem to interpret the seven years literally. And are the four horse men not symbolical of events that have taken place all through history - such as the two World Wars, the famines in Africa?

In addition to this as can be seen occasionally on these threads the focus can become too much on Anti-Christ, rather than on the Person of Jesus Christ. I think Anti-christ is a spirit or a principality of evil. Even in the churches I believe this can be felt from time to time.

Full-preterism seems to deny the Christian Hope, and collapses into a sort of christianised secularism. If I am mistaken about what Full-preterism teaches please inform me of what it believes about the Resurrection? And what this Scriptures refers to :

"They have left the path of truth, claiming that the resurrection of the dead has already occurred; in this way, they have turned some people away from the faith." 2 Timothy 2:18 (NLV)

Full Preterism claims the second coming has already passed in 70AD. Resurrection, is the same as a non- Preterist.
Blessings

Dan1988 · Oct 5, 2025

Studyman said:
I understand how widespread the belief is that human souls are immortal. That every human is raised from the dead unto Eternal Life, and some burn forever, while others joy forever. And how many are taught by this world's religions that Matt. 25:46 proves this. I have come to believe a man should consider all that is written in Scriptures and would present more evidence from God's Word to more clearly understand His Truth. My hope is only that a man considers "all" that is actually written on the subject.

Matt. 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, "prepared for the devil and his angels":

So how does this work? Does the devil and it's angels die, then God raises them from the dead and they are given the right to the tree of life and have "put on immortality", and then thrown into this fire prepared for them?

I don't believe the Scriptures bear this doctrine out. satan was in the garden with Eve from the creation. Eve is dead, but satan isn't. In fact, according to what is written, satan and his angels have never died. There is not one place in the entire Bible that I can find, where it teaches that satan died. Not only was he alive at creation, but in Jesus time thousands of years later. And not only that, but when Jesus comes back, he is still alive. I believe the evidence shows that angels are immortal, including satan and his angels. While humans are not immortal as Adam and Eve, Noah and Abraham, Peter, James and John, my Dad and my Mom are all still dead and will remain in that condition unto Jesus comes back and raises them from the dead. And if HE doesn't come back soon, I will also die. And I will die in hope that HE will raise me from the dead and give me rights to the Tree of Life, that I might "put forth my hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever". As it is written.

In my understanding, this is why this "Fire" prepared as "punishment" for satan and his angels burns forever and ever, because they are immortal and cannot die, therefore, their punishment will never stop, the fire will never be quenched, the worm will never die. But for me, I am not immortal, both my body and soul can be destroyed, at least according to the Jesus "of the bible".

Jesus has already told us the fate that awaits immortal angels that sinned, which is the everlasting punishment of the lake of fire, specifically prepared for them..

But of Mortal Humans, Jesus said: Luke 3: 3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

John 8: 23 And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world. 24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall "die in your sins": for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall "die" in your sins.

Immortal satan and his immortal angels that reject Gods Words, with forever "Live" in their sins in the Lake of Fire prepared for them.

But mortal humans that reject God's Words, will die in their sins. They will be destroyed permanently.

2 Thess. 1: 8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: 9 Who shall be punished with "everlasting destruction" from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

So given all these Word's of the Christ, and a lot more that I didn't post because I don't want to write a book about it, given there is already one written, I believe everything Jesus teaches, including the verses below where HE tells us where unrepentant mortal humans are destroyed.

Matt. 25: 45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. 46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into "life" eternal.

Matt. 13: 40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; "so shall it be" in the end of this world. 41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; 42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

To believe the popular religious philosophy being promoted, I would have to ignore so much of the Holy scriptures, I would have to believe that all humans are raised from the dead, given the right to ""put forth their hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever", only to be cast into the Lake of Fire with immortal angels.

While I agree that "The Lord Jesus taught that eternal punishment in the lake of fire, " prepared for the devil and his angels:", according to His Own Words, "awaits Satan and sinners alike". It is clear that this eternal punishment will destroy the mortal human that is cast into it.

Because the wages of sin is "Death" for mortal humans who are cast into the fire of eternal punishment, prepared for the immortal angels.

None of that is correct according to Jesus. First of all, you're presuming that the words "death" or "dead" or "die", all mean annihilation or ceasing to exist in the Bible. But the truth is, the Bible never ever says any such thing.

According to your opinion, you don't exist. God said the soul that sins shall surely die, but here you are alive and well and still sinning. So did God lie when He said that, or did you misinterpret the meaning of the word "die". It goes without saying that God did not lie and you did misinterpret the meaning of the word.

We always need to consider the context, when quoting verses of scripture. The awful truth is, there's not a single verse in the Bible which describes death as cessation of existence or antihalation, those ideas were invented by those who rejected the truth of the gospel and changed those awful parts thewy did not like to make them say something entirely different and thus make them pleasant and easy to accept.

You would accept the fact that we all died once, when we sinned (God said it so I assume you believe it). The Bible speaks of the second death, for those who die in their sin. This second death means that they can never repent and be born again, the opportunity to be born again and be saved is only available during this life. When this life eds and you enter into eternity, that is your Permanente state.

Those of who were quickened to life from their dead state in this life, (the born again Christians) don't suffer the second death, we already possess eternal life in Gods Kingdom, from the moment god saves us.

HARK! · Oct 5, 2025

eclipsenow said:
Wouldn't it be great if instead of multiplying the hostile kidnapping arm of ICE by 15 fold - Trump had maybe just DOUBLED the calm, orderly processing of undocumented migrants?

Arrest is not kidnapping. The first is legal, and necessary. The second is a crime.

MarkSB · Oct 5, 2025

Valletta said:
The soup kitchens of the Little Sisters of the Poor are open to the public as well. There is nothing in the Constitution that says religious freedom is thrown out the window for hospitals and soup kitchens.

As someone else has stated, the example that you're presenting doesn't relate to the issue at hand.

I hate to generalize, but this seems to be a very common theme among Christians who support the far right. It is all about your grievances against American society, and nothing about the issue which is actually at hand. The goal is to create and perpetuate an "us vs. them" mentality, instead of addressing the merits of the case which is actually in front of them. It's a diversion tactic.

Addressing a situation such as this requires you to lay down your pride and any notions which you have of perceived superiority over the rest of society. But you can't (or don't want to) do this, so your response is to play the victim. It's all part of the hero-victim complex, which is just a means by which to try to maintain control and avoid accountability.

HARK! · Oct 5, 2025

eclipsenow said:
Evidence?

SAN DIEGO (Border Report) — About 80 percent of asylum-seekers who come to the United States are being rejected and sent back home, according to Luis Miranda, Assistant Secretary for Communications with the Department of Homeland Security.

https://fox5sandiego.com/news/border-report/80-of-asylum-seekers-rejected-dhs-official-says/

Dan Perez · Oct 5, 2025

Aristarkos said:
Mixing up the groups in Scripture is what stops our spiritual growth. As I explained before, you cannot project to a group that wasn't even known. The Thessalonian letters are written for the church of God, those are the sons of God consisting of Jews and gentiles. They will inherit the heavens and the earth as promised to Abraham. God promised the land (as sand on the shores of the sea) and the world (as the stars of heaven) Gen. 22:17.

THE body of Christ is nowhere mentioned in Scripture before Ephesians. "The" body of Thessalonians, Romans and Corinthians has apostles as a head, THE body of Christ has only Christ as a head. In the Greek the word "the" is only used in Ephesians in connection to body of Christ.

The fact this is not seen is the reason the everything-is-the-same theology was invented.

The Body of Corinthians is not called the Body of Christ, but: Body of Christ. This term only occurs in 1 Cor. 12:27: You are Body of Christ (Greek). As it is said, that the woman is body of the man, because both are a unity, but she is not yet the body of the man, that group is called: Body of Christ, not: the Body of Christ. This term: the Body of Christ we find in Eph. 4:12 we find the Body in Eph. 4:16, 5:23, His Body in Eph. 1:23; 5:30, one Body in Eph. 2:16, 4:4; fellow-body (sussomos) in Ef. 3:6, the whole Body in Eph. 4:16, together 9 times.

The Body of Corinthians is a group for the heavens, it gets to dwell in the house of the Father, is like the stars of heaven, Gen. 15:5, is blessed by Christ with the faithful Abraham, Gal. 3:9, is Abraham's spiritual seed, Gal. 3:29, belongs to the Jerusalem that is Above, Gal. 4:26, it goes to meet the Lord in the air, 1 Thess. 4:13 — 17, becomes the heir of the world, 1 Cor. 6:2, Rom. 4:13. For this group are written the Letters to the Thess., Cor., Gal., Rom. and Hebrews.

The Body of Ephesians has its position in the over-heavenly, source text of Eph. 1:3, 20; 2:6; 3:10; 6:12, over above all things, source text Eph. 1:21. It has a calling for Above, source text Php. 3:14. For this chosen group is, Eph., Col., Php., Philemon, and 2 Tim. written. (As input and preparation for it, Titus and 1 Tim.).

In the Body of Corinthians are signs and gifts. 9 are mentioned, which are canceled, not because of no longer being necessary or of forfeiting them, but because God did the perfect come. It, had blessings for the earth. In the Body of Ephesians are no gifts. They are completely absent as a body. It only receives spiritual blessings, in Christ, in the over-heavenly, Eph. 1:3.

In the Body of Corinthians there is guidance by Spiritual gifts, by revelations, prophecies, etc. 1 Cor. 12, Gal. 2, in the Body of Ephesians there is Spiritual Guidance, being filled with the word of Christ, Col. 3:16, a speaking of the mystery of Christ, Col. 4:3. The rightly dividing of the Word and the contact through the Spirit with God are the highest gifts for this group. The Body of Corinthians belongs to the sphere in which two dispensations run parallel, namely the Pentecostal dispensation for Israel and the dispensation of justification for all who see in Christ the end of the law and the Seed of Abraham; see, 2 Cor. 3, Rom. 10:4, Gal. 3:16. It finds its good tidings in the gospel of God.

The Body of Ephesians belongs to the dispensation of the mystery. It finds its ministry in the gospel of the grace of God, Eph. 3:2 introduced by the gospel of the glory of Christ, 2 Cor. 4:4.

The Body of Corinthians is the elaboration of the counsel of God, Acts 20:27. This includes the world of mankind. The Body of Ephesians is elaboration of the purpose of the aions (KJV = eternal purpose, Eph. 3:11). This purpose spans all the aions.

The Body of Corinthians waits for the day of the Lord, for the revelation of Christ, 1 Cor. 1:7, 1 Thess. 4:13 — 17, 2 Thess. 2. It can only arise again when Israel comes to expect the return of the Lord in its land, so the hope of Israel becomes alive again, for the taking up to meet the Lord is part of the Lord's return.

The Body of Ephesians expect to fellow-sit in the over-heavenly, Eph. 2:6. This is done in the day of Christ, Phil. 1:6, 10, 2:16. For the prize winners has the hope, the being with Christ, already been realized by the (Greek) out-resurrection, Phil. 3:11 (KJV: resurrection). That is becoming disbanded (released from the grave) and being with Christ.

I posted 2500 posts on bibleforums.org mostly about this subject and you were there at that time.

Aristarkos

And glad. you. are here BUT. !!

And have you ever studied EZE. , chapter 36. and 37 and 38. and I have "

And not. Many. seem too know that Isarel was split. in two , called ISRAEL. and JUDAH. !!

Are they ONE NATION YET ?? Can. you say , YES. or NO. ??\\

AND are they EVER be ONE AGAIN. ??

Waiting for your reply ??

dan p

BPPLEE · Oct 5, 2025

Chicago police sources blast department's response after officers were told not to help fed agents: 'Cover their a--'

Chicago police officers were ordered not to help about 30 Border Patrol agents that were trapped by anti-ICE crowds in Broadview after a ramming incident on Saturday.

www.foxnews.com

Fox News reviewed the computer-aided dispatch message sent to Chicago police officers by their chief of patrol. The message instructed officers not to respond to a Saturday morning ramming on the southwest side of the city in which an armed woman was shot and agents were boxed in and surrounded.

"PLEASE CHIEF OF PATROL NO UNITS WILL RESPOND TO THIS AS RELATED FROM 04-Oc5-2025/12:34:44…CALLER IS 1 OF APPROX 30 ARMED PATROL AGENTS (ICE) WHO ARE BEING SURROUNDED BY A LARGE CROWD OF PEOPLE REQUESTING CPD," the dispatch message read.

In a statement Sunday, the Chicago Police Department disputed claims that officers failed to respond, saying they were on scene to manage safety and document the incident.
But two senior Chicago police sources told Fox News the department’s statement was false — and that internal communications tell a very different story.

One ranking source told Fox News that the Chicago Police Department’s statement is "not true," pointing to "legit" dispatch audio.

bbbbbbb · Oct 5, 2025

bee skep

Always in His Presence · Oct 5, 2025

BCP1928 said:
From imposts, duty and taxes. Same places it always has.

The vast majority of government funding is from taxpayers.

It not free government healthcare. It is taxpayer funded healthcare

And it will bite the middle class the hardest.

Hentenza · Oct 5, 2025

rambot said:
Awwww. Poor little powerless Israeli government. It had no choice but to brutalize 20x the number of citizens to peove a point.

No. Hamas brutalized 20x to prove a point. No hamas no conflict. Thats like saying that millions of Japanese where killed because the US and allies attacked Japan. The attacker is guilty of all of it.

Chesterton · Oct 5, 2025

ViaCrucis said:
I wish. The Democrats aren't nearly bold enough in their opposition to fascism and support of racial justice and fighting for human dignity. I wish they'd grow a spine.

As for me, I'm proudly anti-fascist and proudly believe in the full human dignity of black Americans and happily support human and civil rights for all people regardless of race, creed, ethnicity, sex, gender, or orientation.

-CryptoLutheran

You wish they were more fascistic...because you're anti-fascist. GIGO, does not compute.

Hentenza · Oct 5, 2025

ralliann said:
No it is not.

No they are not the Same. Israel's law was for them.
Courts of Justice
Moses Father in law, a Gentile knew a few things about setting up a justice system.
12 And Jethro, Moses’ father in law, took a burnt offering and sacrifices for God: and Aaron came, and all the elders of Israel, to eat bread with Moses’ father in law before God.
13 ¶ And it came to pass on the morrow, that Moses sat to judge the people: and the people stood by Moses from the morning unto the evening.
14 And when Moses’ father in law saw all that he did to the people, he said, What is this thing that thou doest to the people? why sittest thou thyself alone, and all the people stand by thee from morning unto even?
15 And Moses said unto his father in law, Because the people come unto me to enquire of God:
16 When they have a matter, they come unto me; and I judge between one and another, and I do make them know the statutes of God, and his laws. {one … : Heb. a man and his fellow }
17 And Moses’ father in law said unto him, The thing that thou doest is not good.
18 Thou wilt surely wear away, both thou, and this people that is with thee: for this thing is too heavy for thee; thou art not able to perform it thyself alone. {Thou wilt … : Heb. Fading thou wilt fade }
19 Hearken now unto my voice, I will give thee counsel, and God shall be with thee: Be thou for the people to God-ward, that thou mayest bring the causes unto God:
20 And thou shalt teach them ordinances and laws, and shalt shew them the way wherein they must walk, and the work that they must do.
21 Moreover thou shalt provide out of all the people able men, such as fear God, men of truth, hating covetousness; and place such over them, to be rulers of thousands, and rulers of hundreds, rulers of fifties, and rulers of tens:
22 And let them judge the people at all seasons: and it shall be, that every great matter they shall bring unto thee, but every small matter they shall judge: so shall it be easier for thyself, and they shall bear the burden with thee.
23 If thou shalt do this thing, and God command thee so, then thou shalt be able to endure, and all this people shall also go to their place in peace.

The nations were Judged for their sin by Israel.
Deu 9:4 Speak not thou in thine heart, after that the LORD thy God hath cast them out from before thee, saying, For my righteousness the LORD hath brought me in to possess this land: but for the wickedness of these nations the LORD doth drive them out from before thee.
5 Not for thy righteousness, or for the uprightness of thine heart, dost thou go to possess their land: but for the wickedness of these nations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee, and that he may perform the word which the LORD sware unto thy fathers, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.
6 Understand therefore, that the LORD thy God giveth thee not this good land to possess it for thy righteousness; for thou art a stiffnecked people.

Listing of some of the nations sins. Won't list, too long.

Le 18:24 Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things: for in all these the nations are defiled which I cast out before you:
Le 18:25 And the land is defiled: therefore I do visit the iniquity thereof upon it, and the land itself vomiteth out her inhabitants.
26 Ye shall therefore keep my statutes and my judgments, and shall not commit any of these abominations; neither any of your own nation, nor any stranger that sojourneth among you:

Le 18:27 (For all these abominations have the men of the land done, which were before you, and the land is defiled
28 That the land spue not you out also, when ye defile it, as it spued out the nations that were before you.
29 For whosoever shall commit any of these abominations, even the souls that commit them shall be cut off from among their people.

I’m still clueless as to what it is that your argument is. My arguments with the previous poster was about the 4th commandment but you seem to be arguing something else.

rjs330 · Oct 5, 2025

7thKeeper said:
UK, France, Finland, Sweden, Switzerland.

There's five. All with differing systems, but all giving universal coverage by different means.

They also have completely different systems. Not just medical, but governmental, budgetary, tax, and size of population and expectations of the populace.

I'm not saying it 100% won't work here ever. But under the current systems it won't. And I'm not in any way confident it will because we aren't Europe.

Hentenza · Oct 5, 2025

Guojing said:
Supposed Abraham declined to be physically circumcised at Genesis 17, would he still be saved?

Yes because he was saved by his faith not by his works(Rom. 4:1-3).

Fervent · Oct 5, 2025

Gregory Thompson said:
Yepp, it's all television's fault.

Oh wait, aren't we currently typing into a glowing screen also?

so it goes ...

turn on, tune in, drop out, amirite?

rambot · Oct 5, 2025

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