zippy2006 said:

That's right, and it is present within the very definition that @Bradskii ascribed to:

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I think you need to stop this. I agree that the description is the usual definition of the term. I don't ascribe to it as I don't believe it is coherent.

zippy2006 said:

So the three examples that Bradskii gave within his own post also show him to be a "moral absolutist."

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Then any concept of a relative morality ceases to exist. Ask a question about any act and if you get a definite yes or no then you're an absolutist? Yes, you can lie about how your wife looks in her new dress therefore lying is not relative. That's patently a nonsensical conclusion.

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When you agree with a definition it becomes your definition.

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Yet again, I agree it's the definition that everyone understands (well, except you - you said you couldn't find a reputable example, which I don't find to be reasonable). But I don't agree with it as a definition.

SabbathBlessings said:

God said the Sabbath started at Creation Exo 20:11 made for man Mark 2:27. Jesus used the Greek word mankind and Hebrews word Adam. Abraham kept God’s commandments Gen 26:5 and God said the Sabbath is a commandment of God Deut 4:13 Exo 20:8-11

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The law was not given at creation and there is no evidence whatsoever that it was practiced before Moses. So where in scripture was the 4th commandment given to anyone before Moses? Gen. 26:5 does not say which law or which commandments. There was no law before Moses (Rom 5:13-14).

SabbathBlessings said:

Gal 4 doesn‘tsay anything about not keeping the Sabbath commandment.

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It does, you just dont like it. That is what keeping days is all about which is why there are many sabbaths including Saturday keeping.

SabbathBlessings said:

Let’s get back to the topic.

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We are on topic.

SabbathBlessings said:

You said Jesus changed the Sabbath commandment. Where did He in His own words say that? God gave His commandments, His written and spoken Testimony clearly- He literally wrote it out. If God was going to reverse a commandment, it would be just a clear. He however promised He would not Psa 89:34 There is NO Scripture that says the Sabbath commandment has been abrogated. It’s a teaching of man, just as it was predicted Dan 7:25 2 Tim4:3-4

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You are making assumptions that you can’t defend. Jesus said that He is the Lord of the Sabbath and that the sabbath was made for man not man for the sabbath. The implication here is inescapable. Man can’t keep the sabbath perfectly so now with Christ they can keep it perfectly through Him. The writer of Hebrews even equals entering Jesus rest is the same as entering God’s rest (Heb. 4:10).
Again, where in post crucifixion scripture is the 4th commandment commanded to the Christian?

SabbathBlessings said:

I didn‘t ask about Jacob or Esau. I asked about the son of Hagar and the son of Sarah. It’s been the topic this whole time.

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I am telling you it came about the same way. But you refuse that. That was my answer.
I think you have a rabbinic (pharisaical) framework in your mind that you cannot get out side of. That is why you keep asking me the same question. That framework takes the heavenly things of Genesis 17 and puts them into the promise of the earthly covenant of Genesi 15.
The law, which corresponds to Genesi 15. Is strictly earthly, and by nature. An example. The firstborn under the law, is strictly birth order. In the covenant of Genesis 17 it is not. At least I think that is the problem here. Rabbinic Judaism from the Pharisees, does the same thing. They want to stuff the heavenly things into the earthly inheritance.

zippy2006 said:

Your idea that there is no LGBT lobby is itself a "conspiracy theory", i.e. a really, really stupid idea.

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The question is, are Netflix and Bud a part of it? You have to pay lobbyists, you have to give them something--even activists have to eat. How much did Bud get paid to knowingly (according to you) run a losing ad campaign?

BCP1928 said:

And no, we are probably not allowed to talk about it here. The President's memo of 9/25 defines any criticism of America, Capitalism or Christianity as evidence of terrorist affiliation.

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That policy dates back to Dubya post 9/11, at least.

Clare73 said:

The OT must be understood in the light of the new revelation in the NT.

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How so?

durangodawood said:

I think rape is a good test case. Is it always or "intrinsically" wrong?

It doesnt matter if there are various other test cases where "it depends", or where there are competing moral values in play.

Absolute morality (yes I dont like the the term) can be real even if it only applies to a finite set of described behaviors, while the rest require context to sort out.

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I think that this is the problem. If you describe an act in enough detail, if you give the complete context then someone could say 'Well, you have enough details now. Surely you can give a definite answer yes or no'. That's what murder is. Killing someone in a very specific set of circumstances. It often takes a bunch of lawyers, a judge, a jury and a lot of witnesses and evidence to determine whether the person killed has been murdered. Sometimes it is and sometimes it's not. Likewise with rape. It's the same scenario required to determine if sexual intercourse can be described as rape. Sometimes it can and sometimes it can't.

Now take lying. I think everyone agrees that lying is context dependent. But if you give enough details about a specific lie then you could be asked if you agree that it's either definitely right or definitely wrong. Give an answer and someone could then say that you're an absolutist.

That makes no sense.

rjs330 said:

Rhis is FANTASTIC! So glad they are doing this.

The good citizens who are here should be glad their apartment building is being liberated from these criminal.illegal gangs. If it was me, I'd be fine with being held while they checked things out. Cause I'd know rhey were involved in a very dangerous situation and don't have time to work their way through every person immediately.

I'd be thanking them and showing my gratitude for getting rid of these terrible people.

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Why stop at apartment buildings?
Why not round-up whole towns to sort out who is who?

Pommer said:

But I’m not wrong!
Okay

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It really doesn’t matter CBP can assist ICE anywhere in the US, see the previous post

• Interior Enforcement Support:
  Border Patrol agents have been deployed to assist ICE with interior immigration enforcement operations, particularly in areas outside the immediate border region. (Notice @Maria Billingsley )

SabbathBlessings said:

I am asking you something very specific.

How did the son of Hagar come about, please post Scripture and why did it come about that way.

How did the son of Sarah come about and why did it come about that way.

This is the topic, nothing else.

Thanks

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Read it. It tells you. the same way Esau came about, along with Jacob. the same way israels 12 sons came about. You are finding something wrong with what Sarah did and there was not as Scripture clearly says!

Dan Perez said:

AND immutable you SAY. !!

And Romans 6:14 says , FOR sin will NOT //. OV. and the Greek word OV , is a DISJUNCATIVE PARTICLE NEGATIVE , which

means. , sin will rule over you for you are NOT. // OU. is a DISJUNCATIVE PARTICLE NEGATIVE , and these means you will

NEVER , UNDER THE LAWWWW EVER RRRR. but UNDER GRACE !!

And there were NO CHRISTAINS under Law until Acts 11;26. where it translated FOLLOWERS. and that is what

the word Christian , means , FOLLOWER. and since we are NOT UNDER THE Law , that. means NO more Priests either !!

dan p

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On this point you have fallen victim to an ambiguity in English-language translations of scripture.

If we look at the Greek and Hebrew / Aramaic original texts, we will find that the Jewish priesthood, Kohanim, is a sacerdotal hieratic priesthood, where the word Kohen is equivalent to the Latin word Pontifex (meaning bridge-builder) or the Greek word Hierus, meaning divine, and all Christians are members of a royal hieratic sacerdotal priesthood in that we can appeal directly to God, for example, through the Lord’s Prayer, without making use of an intermediate Kohen.

However, while all Christians are hieratic and under the archierus Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son and Word of God, God Himself incarnate for our salvation, who is both our advocate and our judge, which is good for those of us who believe on him, not all Christians are presbyters (elders) or episkopoi (overseers or bishops). These pastoral roles are clearly delineated, along with that of the Diakonia (Deacons) and the qualifications for them are plainly set out in 1 Timothy (for example a man married to more than one woman, even if divorced or widowed and remarried, is supposed to be disqualified from being a presbyter).

BPPLEE said:

While Chicago isn't next to the border, it is sometimes considered in a "100-mile border zone" because the Great Lakes are included in that definition, allowing it to be near Canada's territorial waters.

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But I’m not wrong!
Okay

SabbathBlessings said:

Not one verse says Jesus changed the Sabbath commandment, I guess why people keep quoting themself and not Him. Jesus being Lord of the Sabbath, does not say He changed it or morphed into the Sabbath commandment. God promised He would not Psa89:34 Mat5:18-19 why all of His Testimony unedited will be in heaven Heb 8:1-5 Heb 11:19 Rev 15:5, we were warned God's times and laws would be changed, but not by God Dan7:25 so I guess its the test, who are we going to obey and follow. What God said, or what man says.

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Look, there was no Sabbath keeping between creation and Moses. The command was given as part of the Jewish law under the old covenant. The 4th commandment was fulfilled along with rest of the law by Christ who is the Lord of the Sabbath and our sabbath rest.

Paul tells in Gal. 4:9-11 that after knowing God and to be known by God turning back to the weak and worthless elementary principles including observing days was a problem.

“But now that you have come to know God, or rather to be known by God, how is it that you turn back again to the weak and worthless elementary principles, to which you want to be enslaved all over again? You meticulously observe days and months and seasons and years. I fear for you, that perhaps I have labored over you in vain.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭4‬:‭9‬-‭11‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Dying makes for sad news.

Turkey sandwich

zippy2006 said:

I actually don't think computers are capable of truth-preservation (validity). You can get them to mimic the symbol-moves of certain formal logical systems, but this isn't possible with natural language because natural language is not a formal language.

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Well, we know computers excel at logical verification using formal logic, but the output of LLMs is by itself non-deterministic (although Business and Enterprise users of chatGPT, and I think Pro users also, can make use of an embedded code interpreter and data analysis subsystem which can do things like run python code generated by the LLM, which allows the system to create software on the fly, test it, and execute it.

Outside of the domain of AI, Prolog is a computer programming language specifically written based on formal logic. One programs using predicates and so forth. It isn’t widely used, but it does exist. Most actual logic validation is done using conventional functional-procedural languages. Indeed the VeriLog language used for quite a long time now for designing logic circuits like CPUs, memory, GPUs and so on*, is intended to provide among other things verification of the design logic, although there are numerous other verification steps required as should be obvious if you read my footnote.

However, formal verification of computer software does have its limits. For example, the Halting Problem, discovered by Alan Turing, - basically it cannot be mathematically verified whether a computer program will halt or continue running indefinitely given a specific instruction set even if you try to create some kind of meta-computer that evaluates all actions of the computer being simulated. The problem is that mathematically, it is simply unsolvable. However, this does not mean a computer program cannot do basic logic verification. Indeed much software we use on a daily basis, and by much I mean virtually all of it, is doing that, in various ways. Math is used for public key encryption; boolean comparisions are used to generate binary opposite patterns of data for various applications from graphics to program logic and compilation, hashing algorithms are used to create encoded representations of data such as passwords or message texts using protocols like SHA-2 or outright, and floating point math is done on GPUs for vector graphics.


*This can be used to generate a digital simulation of the device, or program an FPGA (field programmable gate array**, a dynamically reprogrammable hardware device) or used with complex toolchains from companies like Siemens EDA (formerly Mentor Graphics) to set up workflows to prototype, verify and begin mass production of CPUs, GPUs, ASICs and so on at semiconductor fabrication facilities or fabs, the industry leading fabs being operated by TSMC in Taiwan, and to a lesser extent Samsung and Intel, using $300,000,000 extreme ultra violet laser lithography tools which are the most complex machines in existence, assembled by a Dutch company called ASML with elaborate optics from a German company, Carl Zeiss SMT, and many subsystems from other companies some of which are wholly owned, like Cymer***, and others of which are independent and exist as part of the overall industrial ecosystem required for technology of this scale to flourish.

** FPGAs are not just used to test new electronics but are also used on some hardware platforms to provide dynamically reprogrammable logic circuits. For example, high end networking hardware such as switches, firewalls and so on can include FPGAs to allow for high speed processing for various applications such as blocking denial of service attacks, ultra-low latency network for real time trading, and other purposes. Indeed there are FPGAs affordable to mere mortals which can be used to run open source hardware for various porpuses.

*** Cymer makes the high-powered laser system used to generate flashes of extreme ultraviolet light. The way it works is a molten tin droplet is first deformed into a concave shape (from the laser’s perspective) and then vaporized with two precisely timed pulses, which produces the flash of extreme ultra violet light which has a wavelength small enough so that when used with the proper optics can produce the extremely small details on modern semiconductors, which are just a few nanometers in size. Indeed we’re approaching a point where the features will be so small quantum tunneling is likely to be an issue (this will be a bug, not a feature, because it does not enable quantum computing; quantum computing, if we are ever able to get it to work at scale, requires supercooled hardware which is isolated from the outside environment, but there are concerns about whether or not quantum computers will actually work, how scalable they will be and whether or not they will actually outperform conventional computers. If the many engineering problems are definitively solved, quantum computers will paradoxically give us unbreakable quantum encryption while also breaking most forms of classical encryption. I personally hope quantum computing proves to be a dead-end because my fear is that these systems could divide us between quantum computing haves and have-nots, thus allowing rogue states, totalitarian regimes and non-state actors who have access to the technology to violate the privacy of ordinary citizens or steal their data for various nefarious purposes if that data is passed over an internet connection, which is increasingly the case.

SabbathBlessings said:

I am asking you something very specific.

How did the son of Hagar come about, please post Scripture and why did it come about that way.

How did the son of Sarah come about and why did it come about that way.

This is the topic, nothing else.

Thanks

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Hagar and SARAH are allegories for the two covenants. Ishmael inherited land, so did Israel, as 12 princes. Which seed was to go into slavery?
Gen 15:13 And he said unto Abram, Know of a surety that thy seed shall be a stranger in a land that is not theirs, and shall serve them; and they shall afflict them four hundred years;
14 And also that nation, whom they shall serve, will I judge: and afterward shall they come out with great substance.

Which seed went into exile to serve other rulers for punishment? Why? because they were under the law. They were still under the kingdom of ROME! Ok with it yet?
De 28:36 The LORD shall bring thee, and thy king which thou shalt set over thee, unto a nation which neither thou nor thy fathers have known; and there shalt thou serve other gods, wood and stone.
De 28:64 And the LORD shall scatter thee among all people, from the one end of the earth even unto the other; and there thou shalt serve other gods, which neither thou nor thy fathers have known, even wood and stone.

Beats eating kumquats at times!

MQATS

Always in His Presence said:

UK has an income tax rate of 40% if you make more than 52k

France has an income tax rate of 30%

Sweden has an income tax rate of 52%

If you truly believe the taxpayer is not paying for healthcare, you are greatly deceived

30-50% of your income for life.

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Please point out where I made such a claim? The topic was healthcare costs and results.
And you pulled at least some of those numbers from someone's behind. Average tax rate in Sweden for example is ~23%. Please don't tell me you're yet another one who doesn't under how tax brackets work, that seems to be a very common occurrence amongst US conservatives.