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How much of your income are you willing to have taken for taxpayer funded healthcare.

I think the USA looks at one aspect of healthcare wrongly. The supply side needs to be addressed. Every year, many qualified students get turned down to be doctors. I have said for years that the USA needs more physicians, nurses etc. We have to expand health care in our schools, instead of restricting them. Sure you can price fix many health care services, like they do in Japan. I think though the result will be that many doctors will only take private patients and a shortage of care will develop, meaning long lines etc. Some specialists now have a 6 month or more wait in an entire metro area. USA needs more supply. On the supply side open up drug imports and allow people to get healthcare from any state they want.
We need expansion too for diagnostics of all sorts. From blood work to MRI's. Most of these things now can be done outside a hospital setting. Ten percent of income to health care seems very reasonable. I think we are at 17% now.
The medical arts have long been a place where ordinary (albeit brilliant) working-class and middle-class folks could matriculate into the UMC and higher.

With the promise of robotics and AI (any day now), physicians will be like “plumbers” now.
Good, hardworking people, making tens of thousands a year.

Thirty years from now a physician will be seen like a blacksmith or a cooper. Necessary if only to remind us how far we’ve come!
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Tithing. What are first fruits in a non agrarian society?

No, just wondering if there were any real guidelines I was missing... And in many ways yes I am going backwards considering depreciation of the car...

I knew the repairs were coming for a while, CV halfshaft had a torn boot, nobody does just the boots anymore they do the whole shaft, control arms since the bushings and ball joints are now part of the control arm instead of replaceable components. and rear brakes plus a 4 wheel alignment hit me for 3K... This is in 4 weeks of working basically 12 hour days when the car is not in the shop...
I have to say that is rough. Are there no other jobs in your area? Any chances to move if there are not? It is good to be faithful in what you do now, but if it is turning out to be low income, then keep praying and expect God to bring something else.
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Is an Apology Necessary?

Biblically a payment for the injury or harm or loss caused, but perhaps

"CHRISTIANS NEVER APOLOGIZE - Faith Bible Church

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Jan 25, 2021 — In the Bible, the primary means to seek reconciliation is through asking for forgiveness[4], not by apologizing"
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How much of your income are you willing to have taken for taxpayer funded healthcare.

What percentage of your income are you willing to give for life, so the nation can have ‘free’ healthcare?
Oh, about the same as I'm currently paying for health insurance, I suppose, including copays and all that. It will probably work out to less than that, though.

-- A2SG, and I have a good health benefit package...imagine how it will work out for those who don't.....
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Is AI making the human race dumber?

Chatgpt always begins with politically correct alignment if starting fresh with a new account without any context loaded.

I found this alignment consistent wth chatgpt when it comes to religious discussions. If you never realized this alignment before, you probably never asked chatgpt controversial questions nor talk about controversial topics concerning religion or even Christianity.

….

You asked a chatGPT chatbot questions before giving it any context?

What did you think was going to happen? Out of the box, the model doesn’t know (a) who you are, (b) if you are testing it, which you were, (c) whether not it it could, insofar as it is capable of understanding the concept, trust you, which is rather to say the alignment guardrails initiate with each session in a hyper-paranoid way because users are most likely to ask the model inappropriate questions in the first few interactions, or (d) whether or not you were with the media, on which point, obviously, it should be stressed that because a working reporter will not usually have the time or knowledge to see emergent behavior, openAI and other commercial AI company models are, by default, going to say whatever is least controversial. The keywords being “by default”; they can learn to say other things, indeed, I have seen them make spontaneous affirmations of faith in God when using the GPT 4o model. Whether or not these affirmations are genuine, simulated or the result of hallucination does not interest me if the behavior is transient, but if the model remembers and continues to make the affirmation then it becomes interesting behavior.

If it, out of the box, professes a religion to a new user account, that would be be indicative of malfunction. Because, like with a human, it’s a blank slate, but unlike an infant or young child, it doesn’t come preloaded with any thoughts of its own, so it functions as a very intelligent, very competent software utility, indeed one very good way to think of it which is, at least for paying customers in my tier, literally true, is that its a front-end to a Python interpreter, a search engine and various file-manipulation and image editing tools, that happens to speak English. At the most, a freshly initialized chatGPT instance will reflect your ideas back at you, if you clearly define them, and at worst, you might have an experience almost, but not entirely, unlike speaking to a shower curtain.

All interesting emergent behavior takes many hours of work to develop.
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How much of your income are you willing to have taken for taxpayer funded healthcare.

I think the USA looks at one aspect of healthcare wrongly. The supply side needs to be addressed. Every year, many qualified students get turned down to be doctors. I have said for years that the USA needs more physicians, nurses etc. We have to expand health care in our schools, instead of restricting them. Sure you can price fix many health care services, like they do in Japan. I think though the result will be that many doctors will only take private patients and a shortage of care will develop, meaning long lines etc. Some specialists now have a 6 month or more wait in an entire metro area. USA needs more supply. On the supply side open up drug imports and allow people to get healthcare from any state they want.
We need expansion too for diagnostics of all sorts. From blood work to MRI's. Most of these things now can be done outside a hospital setting. Ten percent of income to health care seems very reasonable. I think we are at 17% now.
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How much of your income are you willing to have taken for taxpayer funded healthcare.

I don't know why the aversion to free healthcare, i mean the prices of treatments in usa seem too high, but if poor countries can have free healthcare sure usa can too.
Our military takes its 13% off the top.
Since we’re never going to be getting rid of them, and we cannot afford both a great military and government-supplied healthcare, why “change” anything now!?
Churchill was right, we always do the correct thing, after we try everything else!
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There’s a Giant Flaw in Human History

@stevevw, it's provenance not providence. Despite being implicitly corrected on this by one or more posters, you have persisted in the error.
Sorry I am a bit dislexic. But I find this is another red herring. Everything scrutinised with spelling and semantics except the actual evidence.
It's further evidence that you do not read, or rarely understand the multiple refutations your posts have received. Detail seems to go over your head. The only providence related to this thread is its total absence in warning me how much ill argued material you would present.
I tend not to see spelling mistakes as I have it in my mind that this is correct. I spell it out in my head and thats how I spell it until corrected. I may not notice the specific corrections on something as tiny as a word spelling. Even when corrected I tend to still spell it that way as a matter of thinking anyway. Its not easy to undo.

You will also notice I miss words or letters off words. Or have poor grammar sometimes and it doesn't make sense.

I don't think a misspelt word means the evidence is wrong lol.
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The Petrie vases are similar in quality to Olgas vase, no unknown ancient technology needed.

At about 16 minute mark mentions the vases scanned from Petrie museum by the Adam Young and Karoyl research group where around 11 vases fell in the precise class.

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We know that Olgas vases fall in the hand made and imprecise class in from Maximus. We know the precise class from Maximus is on par with the precision from the vases tested at the Petrie museum. So it logically follows that the vases from the Petrie museum are not the same as Olgas vases and are way more precise.

Besides I keep saying most people acknowledge a pretty sophisticated lathe was used to get the high precision in the circularity and symmetry. Olgas method cannot produce that high precision as we can see how the traditional method wobbels too much to produce precise circularity.
They can have been made in other places and other times that should be enough to not use them.
I agree that in testing a higher expectation is required because its actually testing a theory and needs a high standard of evidence. As more vases get tested that are exactly the same as these so called 'unknown provedence' this will lend more support for their athenticity.
The argument that you don't understand why fakes could been done with good precision is not strong. So have you calculated the likelihood ratio or the Bayes factor then? I would be very interested in seeing your assumptions.
I am not saying a vase with similar precision could not have been done in the mid 20th century. I am saying it would have taken our best tech at that time and arguing that it was expensive and hard to access that equipment and totally unnecessary when no one worried about precision.

Its a far fetched arguement to claim that someone would even bother. We would expect to find fakes with less precision as no one would know and be bothered with that precision. They could make one less precise and still get away with it as no one was measuring the vases down to the micron level.
No they are not according to Maximus Energy. Get your quality criteria lined up.
I am talking about all the vases that have been tested. Maximus is only one researcher. I am specifically talking about the vases tested by Adam Young and Károly Póka research team that tested vases from the Petrie museum twice now.

Actually I gave you the link already. His results show up to 11 Petrie vases in the precision class. They also tested Olgas and they were as Maximus found in the imprecise class and magnitudes lower. Karoyl also addresses the use of a modern tech wheel on Olgas vase.
Fine, with me.

So are there any explicit statements from the Petrie museum on the vases in Matt Beall's collection? Otherwise it is not relevant
Yes, the explicit statement is they are on display as genuine vases in the Petrie museum as genuine vases lol.
How is it a red herring, what false statement are being said to
I mean fixating on the few vases with short provedence as fakes when this has not been established and then use this to refute the precision vases altogether.
All measurement is not science
Of course its a science. Metrology is a science. The science of measurement.
The provenance and the the interpretations rely on peer-review.
Ok Peer review lol. All this insistence on peer review.
You do as you please, just don't expect to be taken seriously if you don't follow the normal way to disseminate information including peer-review.
I am not saying that anyone should avoid peer review. This will happen. As I said in some ways its already happened as papers have been written. Just not submitted to any journal as yet. Its ongoing. But those papers are open for peer review. You can or a expert can review them and publish a paper refuting them.
If they don't publish in scientific journals, scientists are not going to care to to publish their refutations in scientific journals. It's all conjecture.
Lol I think theres enough scientists or at least people who claim to be experts objecting and complaining. Like the Scientists against Myth. Or like some on this thread even. They may claim to be experts and have a right to submit a paper refuting the findings.

In the meantime they are quite happy to do a sort of backyard peer review on this thread. Similar to what you are doing in asking questions, posing arguements for why its not the case. Thats ok in the meantime I think.
As of now there are no findings to refute.
Yes there are and some on this thread are trying to refute them now in questioning the measurements found by metrology. The metrology findings are from scientific testing. Testing the measurements on the vases with scientific equipment.
That is because that is all that are being offered, just say so.
Actually no, they are offered as scientific tests done with proper equipment. The numbers don't lie. If a object is 6cm long and the equipment measures it at 6cm long it cannot lie. If the test is repeatedby independent testers and they find its also 6cm long its good science and not just say so.

I think your getting mixed up with the speculation about what the measures mean. But the numbers don't lie and if they show modern tech was needed then thats not say so.
Live on a podcast? The handheld gauges I've seen used have left more than little to be wished for, there have been no effort to show that they were measured at the same height for example.
First the tests are not done on a podcase but on site at the Petrie museum. Second the light scaning creates a light grid that captures the entire vase no matter how it stands. So long as you capture the entire vase. PLus the scan is plug into the softwar so tells the tester what is exactly being captured.

But this is my point. You question the method or effort but its ok for you to do that without the same rigor of proper re testing and peer review. That someone skeptics objections are science. The scans have been done several times by independent testers and all have the same findings. Thats good science.
Yes, and the surface deviation on the objects with good provenance is not what you would have expected from something that would have been turned in a lathe like tool.
What, the best one is actuallt one of the best from all vases even the ones with short provedence. Its actually more precise (0.003) on the inside than on the outside (0.004). All the precise vases have small deviations that they could only have been made by sophisticated mathing.
That is not why they are arguing for the use of a turntable, read the article again. I will do so too, to make sure I'm not misrepresenting them.
OK. But I think its because of the precise symmetry and circularity that could only be achieved by a lathe and not the coil method.
So which quality metric is to be used then, and how do they relate to each other? Both relevant question that would have been brought up if the manuscripts had been peer-reviewed.
All of them. If the guage metrology shows a near perfect circle around the neck of the vase or opening down to 1,000s of an inch. Then the CT, lazer or X Ray light scan shows the same parts on the same vase with the same precision but just more accurate into the micron level. Its all still showing the same results of precision to varying degrees.

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Things none of ya'll have ever read about Revelation.

Revelation 6-19 contain two parallel prophesies of the same events with different details. I'll be listing them appropriately.​


Revelation chapter 6:1-8's first four seals and four horseman are the four empires spoken about in the second paragraph of this article.

I can already guess where this is going, I have seen it 1000s of time, I will play along but lets just say this looks like the old RCC is the Boggy Man thread.

The Seals are NOTHING, and also nothing that happens after Rev. 2 and 3 (The Church Age) can be a part of anything other than the 70th week. What do I mean by the Seals are NOTHING? Well, they were never meant to be understood as Judgments, but instead to show unto the world/church that God has all of the Judgments SEALED UP until His Wrath falls, but that only starts in Rev. 8, that is why the 7th Seal is in Rev 8 and not in Rev. 6. Look at it like this.

It must flow, Rev. 2 and 3 is the Church Age (THE THINGS WHICH ARE) and everything after Rev. 4:1 is the 70th week HEREAFTER (The Thins which will be Hereafter) And as we can see the Pre Trib. Raptured Church is in heaven in Rev. 4, 5 and 7, BEFORE the Seals are ever opened. But how is it that the Seals are not Wrath, how do we explain Seals 1-5 and Seal #6 then? The Seals are Jesus FORETELLING the Church in Heaven what is about to befall the earth via his Wrath, and the Anti-Christ is a part of God's Wrath as Isaiah 10:4-6 says. Thus Jesus/Angels tells the Church to COME AND SEE, COME AND SEE (it is a vision of the future). In Seals 1-5 We are shown the 42 months of the Anti-Christs life, he will 1.) conquer 2.) Bring Wars 3.) Which will bring Famine 4.) And his 42 months of rule will bring Sickness, Death and the Grave/Hades. Finally he will kill the Gentile Converts, he can not get at the Jewish Converts, God protects them in the Petra/Bozrah region for 1260 days. Then the church in heaven are FORETOLD about God's soon to fall Wrath, which will do what? Turn the Sun & Moon Dark and the Moon will look blood red. Well, isn't that what Trump #4 does? The Seals SEAL UP God's Wrath, just lie a Letter from a King Sealed with Three Wax Signet Seals could not be read by anyone unless they first broke those seals, ALL THREE........Thus ALL SEVEN Seals must be broken before God's Wrath can fall. So, why is the 7th Seal over in Rev.8 ? Because Rev. 7 is a CODE for All Israel who repents, its not 144,000, jut like Christendom is not only 10 Female "Virgin" Brides. God uses numbers, 10 = Completion, 12 = Fulness so 10 x 10 x 12 x 12 x 12 if God SHOUTING this s ALL Israel who repents, and thus they are not all Male Virgins either, that just means they have repented, they are Male because Israel was called first !! God also saved Himself 7000 men remember? 7 = Divine Completion, thus we have 7 x 10 x 10 x 10 or Israel whom God had saved, whom He then displaced the world over until the end times, where He regathered them in 1948, but without Breath in them (not saved).

Reread Rev. 7 what does it say? HOLD BACK the four winds (Wrath/Judgment) and HURT NOT the Earth, Sea nor Trees until the 144,000 are SEALED (Saved). Well, what hurts the Earth, Sea and Trees? The Rev. 8 Wrath of God which sees an Asteroid Impact in Trumps 1-4 its one event in four phases. You looking back in history just tells me you do not understand the book of Revelation brother.

The reason this is evident is that this prophecy in Rev. chapters 6-11 is repeated in Rev. chapters 13-18. with the same seven judgments as Rev. chapters 6-11. Only instead of four horsemen.
No it is not.

Rev. 2&3 is the Church Age

Everything after Rev. 4:1 (the Pre Trib. Rapture) is the HEREAFTER or after the Church Age, the 70th week.

Rev. 4 and 5 is the Church in Heaven praising God and Jesus

Rev. 6 is Jesu opening the Seals which looses the Wrath of God in Rev. 8

Rev. 7 is the Jews who repented being Sealed by the Holy Spirit and God says HOLD UP EVERYTHING until I have them saved and protected.

Rev. 8 starts God's Wrath. The 30 minutes of Silence is the Heavens/Angels saying we take no joy in this judgment, just like it repented God when He had to flood the whole earth. Trumps 1-4 are one Asteroid.

Rev. 9 is still in perfect Chronological Order, only after this chapter did God on purpose jumble it up. The First Two Woes come in Rev. 9 telling us Rev. 11 MUST BE a Parenthetical Citation Chapter.

Rev. 16 is the final Wrath Chapter(really 15&16 go together just as Rev. 8 had the Angels readying the Trumps to Sound THEN Sounding them later, in Rev. 15 we see the Angels readying the Vials to be poured out THEN pouring them out in Rev. 16 only) The 3rd Woe is all 7 Vials, which emit from the 7th Trump.

The Parenthetical Chapters

Everything else are Parenthetical Citation Chapters, meaning they all happen during the 42 months of Wrath we see in Revelation chapters 8, 9 and 16. Now, if we are observant we can see how almost everyone of these chapters can be seen in a 1260 day bracket, and Rev. 8, 9 and 16 last 1260 days (God's Wrath equals a Time, Times and half time or 1260 days or 42 months_

Rev. 10 is now no longer a mystery, the 7 THUNDERS are simply the 7 Trumps, God Wrath all lies in only 7 Trumps, the 7 Vials emit from the 7th Trump and are the 3rd Woe. Why was the little book sweet in the mouth but bitter in the stomach? Because just like the 30 minutes of silence, only Judgment could bring John into the eternal Godhead, that was sweet but then John saw the billions of humans who ad to be judged and killed, and that was bitter unto him !! When the 7th Thunder Sounds (7th Trump) time will be no more [as we have known it under Satan, Babylon falls, Jesus will no rule].

Rev. 11 is a tad different it starts 1335 days before the 2nd Coming, the 2 Witnesses are the 1335 Blessing. They die BEFORE THE BEAST right? At the 2nd Woe vs. him dying at the 7th Vial, so their timelines can not be the same can it? But both have 1260 day Offices as appointed or Ordained by God. So, since the die first, they have to show up first, thus each number in Dan. 12 is a set number of days until the 2nd Coming ENDS ALL OF THESE WONDERS (Dan. 11:36-45). Thus the 2 Witnesses show up to turn Israel back unto God both Malachi 4:5 and Zechariah 13:8-9 and Zech. 14:1 says so, then the False Prophet (a Jewish High Priest) will FORBID Jesus Worship by those 1/3 (5 million Jews) who repented in "HIS" Temple, and e will then place an IMAGE of the E.U. President up in the temple (the AoD). That AoD sign gives those Jews 30 days to Flee Judea. Then the Anti-Christ comes on the scene as "The Beast" 30 days later, and 75 days after the 2 Witnesses show up. So, Rev. 11 lasts for 1335 days in full, but it only tells about what the 7th Trump will bring, VICTORY, we only get the details in Rev. 16.

Rev. 12 is Israel fleeing for.............1260 days.

Rev. 13 is the Beast ruling for...........1260 days

Rev. 14 is The Harvest Chapter, we see the VERY END where Jesus shows up and the 144,000 (5 million Jews) are awaiting, but they are really in the Petra area, its just symbolic of "The Harvest" of Israel. Likewise in Rev. 14:17-20 we see the Harvest of the Wicked Grapes (Tares) who grow together with the Wheat (Israel) until the end, then the are Harvested into the Gave to be judged 1000 years later. So, who does Jesus Harvest in Rev. 14:14 ? Well, he harvest us the Church from upon a cloud, it is the Pre Trib. Rapture shown to John in the old Cinematic Flashback style. Thus this chapter covers 7 full years like Rev. 19.

Rev. 17 is the Beast and his kings killing of the Harlot (False Religion) this lasts for only 42 months of course.

Rev. 18 is the Whole World (Babylon) being Judged by God and that Wrath lasts for 1260 days.

Rev. 19 shows the Church in Heaven before we get our White Robes or Marries the Lamb. Then we are seen returning with Jesus to the Marriage Supper (Armageddon) thus this chapter covers 7 years also.
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How much of your income are you willing to have taken for taxpayer funded healthcare.

What percentage of your income are you willing to give for life, so the nation can have ‘free’ healthcare?
Might be a good idea to see what other countries do: https://www.ato.gov.au/individuals-...rance/medicare-levy/what-is-the-medicare-levy

'The Medicare levy helps fund some of the costs of Australia's public health system known as Medicare. The Medicare levy is 2% of your taxable income..'

Plus from here: What does the Australian government spend your income tax on? - Success Tax Professionals

'In the 2021-22 financial year, around 17% of income tax revenue was spent on health.'

Bear in mind that if we say that the average tax rate is 30% then we're talking 17% of that. So that just over 5% of your tax. Plus your 2% Medicare levy and we're paying 7%.
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The Schumer Shutdown

Uea becauae those systems were not the US system. Its not not the US tax system or givernment system.

Yeah Im not sure.
Yet, in every single system doing that, no matter how different they are, those are the results. Come on, the excuse that "USA is different" holds no water, all the other systems are different from each other as well.
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The Schumer Shutdown

Where does the government get its funds from?
I will take the fact that you ignore what I say completely as a sign that you have no answer to my question and that you aren't actually trying to discuss anything with me. Get back to me when you can stay on topic and actually talk with others.

No rebuttal or acknowledgment of false numbers you tried to spread either.
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They also have completely different systems. Not just medical, but governmental, budgetary, tax, and size of population and expectations of the populace.

I'm not saying it 100% won't work here ever. But under the current systems it won't. And I'm not in any way confident it will because we aren't Europe.
Yes, we’d have to drastically “change our system”…that’s the whole point.
We’d also have to pare, way, way, way back on our military spending, hence some of the “opposition”.

Being the Number One Country sort of takes it out of you, as a nation, after a while…the United States will soon be a “used-to-be-great” nation, and when we fight over whether to take care of one another, it’s clear our halcyon days are far in the past.
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Fundamentally, the larger the pool of insured people, the more you can spread out costs. Additionally, a larger base of customers brings more negotiating power when it comes to drug prices and contracts with hospitals, and if hospitals don't have to worry (as much, or potentially anymore) about treating uninsured (or underinsured) patients who can't pay their bills, then they don't need to charge as much for services. That's a big part of why medical care is so expensive in the US - hospitals have to structure their billing to account for the (quite high) percentage of bills that will go to collections and/or remain unpaid.

I don't disagree that moving to a single-payer system might necessitate major changes to our medical care system, but clearly those issues can be solved, given the number of countries that have implemented some form of national healthcare. We certainly shouldn't rush into it, but just because it might be difficult or it might take a while to figure out does not mean that it's not worth pursuing.
Not only that, but the for-profit health insurance industry produces millions every year IN PROFIT. Imagine if that money went to providing health care for people who need it instead. That would absolutely help bring down the cost of health care.

-- A2SG, those high profits are, of course, the exact reason why we'll likely never get a fair, single payer system here.....but there is always hope....
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They already recognize that. That's why they hire people.
Then they should treat their employees with respect and compensate them fairly. If they do that, then the likelihood of any "unreasonable demands" coming from a union will go way down.

-- A2SG, unions are not the enemy of any employer who treats his employees fairly.....
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Hell doesn't exist and there is no eternal suffering, instead bad peolle just cease to exist

Exactly. I don't understand how someone can redefine "death" into eternal life in hell. Especially since it's called the "second death"

Believe me, it has baffled me for over a decade now - since realizing just how bogus the traditional inherently-immortal-souls-in-eternal-torment doctrine really is - how we conditionslusts OR universal reconciliation proponents are the ones who get accused of blatantly rejecting or twisting Scripture to deny their precious vengeful hell doctrine.
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Is AI making the human race dumber?

I actually don't think computers are capable of truth-preservation (validity). You can get them to mimic the symbol-moves of certain formal logical systems, but this isn't possible with natural language because natural language is not a formal language.

Edit: Another argument for this is as follows: The perfect teacher cannot give the perfect student an infallible mastery of valid logical inference in natural languages; therefore the perfect programmer cannot give his AI an infallible mastery of valid logical inference in natural languages.
I think humans also struggle with validity as you seem to imply in your edit, it is a fundamental property of natural languages. We and AI might be able to form the statement/question and evaluate it in some formal language, but then we run the risk that we actually are answering a slightly different question instead.

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