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There’s a Giant Flaw in Human History

I've just deleted a rather lengthy post on log hewing. Suffice to say it's not common knowledge these days and it leaves marks. If you don't know how it's done, those marks are a mystery. Without any insult, if someone's never worked at making stuff by hand, they may be unaware that different steps in the process leave different marks. They would also be unaware of what's involved in smoothing them, or marks left during other aspects of construction. Quite simply, if it's unfinished or not necessary to remove the marks, those marks are going to be there.

That's what we're dealing with here. That scoop shape? That's a consequence of rubbing it back and forth. You can see the same thing where you don't want stuff worn down.

Just a suggestion, and it's one without any insult: Try making stuff. That's all. Just make stuff. See what can be done without the latest and greatest, because the latest and greatest means spending money. Simply making stuff can be an eye-opener.
Yes I guess if you want to work out what may cause a mark then you would try different methods to see the results. In a way thats what I think the experiments in making the vases either by the bent stick method, bow drill, copper saw and the modern machine made vases.

The video actually spectulates on what could cause such scoop marks. Everything from pounding, chiseling, softened stone that leaves scoops and trowel type marks to plasma heat or intense heat that sort of melts and blasts stone away. Which does seem to leave similar marks. Who knows.

I just would not like to be the guys who had to pound all these works if that was the case. In some ways if it was pounding, grinding and rubbing it is more amazing I think. As its more or less freehanding what amounts to todays precision tool making.

If someone today produced a precision part for a racing team from rudimentary tools and freehand it would be unbelievable. We would think they had some sort of magic or extra sensory perception to be able to be so precise.
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Kamala Harris says picking a gay man for VP was too big of a risk

She couldn’t pick the gay one, so she picked the zesty one instead. Makes sense.
She picked Tim Walz for the exact same reason Biden nominated her for VP. Race pandering, and the liberal left thrives on identity politics. Even Tim admitted that he was nominated so he could "code talk" to white men.
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Christians - May I have your attention for a moment?

We had a Pastoral visit the other day - first time in about 70 years.
The first time you had a pastoral visit in 70 yrs. Carl that’s very much long time. What did you do to recieve such a visit? Perhaps back pay in tithes were overdue: )
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Three ICE detainees shot, 2 dead, at ICE facility in Dallas; suspected shooter committed suicide.

Request identification: You have the right to ask agents for their official badge and credentials, especially if they are at your door or conducting an apprehension. If they refuse, it is a "red flag," and you do not have to engage with them further
Then they kick down your door, put you in handcuffs, throw you in the back of a vehicle, take you to a detention center, and then they show their credentials. Don't believe me, try it sometime and tell me how things went.
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Limited atonement !

And what about those times when people reject God's will for themselves?

Luke 7:29-30​
29 And when all the people heard Him, even the tax collectors justified God, having been baptized with the baptism of John. 30 But the Pharisees and lawyers rejected the will of God for themselves, not having been baptized by him. (NKJV)​
That's a misleading translation because you can't reject God's Sovereign will for you.Those boys just did not see no need for repentance
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Limited atonement !

And to clarify, are you the sort of Calvinist who thinks that every action and thought was meticulously decreed by God prior to creation? Would you see every sin as ordained? Would you see every event of history, and every mundane cat meme on the internet as decreed from the beginning?
Yes Eph 1:11
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Is AI making the human race dumber?

Ai is great at locating paraphrases of scripture. I use it to find all sorts of stuff as well. I do find that sometimes it can be wrong. If the info it pulls data from is bad, the Ai version may also be bad. If the data conflicts it may not report anything about the lesser though sometimes important alternatives.
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BUSTED - 12 False theories refuted:

But most, if not all, of those people would have quoted Scripture to illustrate that what they believed was true and would come true.
It didn't.
Bible Prophecy will come to pass. Some has already, but most remains to be fulfilled.
Just because I and others have thought the end times events would commence at a certain time and that time passed; people cannot become complacent and think it won't eventually happen.
Why should anyone believe that you, alone, have got it right?
Daniel 12:10....only the [few] wise leaders will understand. [the Prophetic Word]
Is God going to laugh at mankind if no one is able to comprehend the huge amount of information He has given us about His plans for our future.?

I am not 'blowing my own trumpet', but the fact is the Lord did give me a vison when I was in the Holy Land. Of how that Land will be after His Day of fiery wrath. He inspired me to write out the Prophesies and allowed me to see the amazing sequence of events, leading up to the Eternal state, after the 7000 years decreed for mortal mankind is over.
If you have the moral fortitude, look at my www.logostelos.info website. There are over 800 articles there, mostly on the Prophetic Word.

The critically important factor in understanding Gods Plans, is to have an open mind.
Preconceived theories and doctrines, can usually be made to fit scripture, but they are rabbit trails and lead nowhere.
I knew I was right not to hold my breath when I asked you to show me where Jesus taught that animal sacrifices would be reinstated.
Jesus did not need to explain everything about the end times. He did a good precis' in Revelation and in Rev 13:6, He does say the 'beast will blaspheme Gods Tabernacle. Paralleled in Daniel 9:27 & 11:31 that both say the sacrifices will be stopped. When the Anti-Christ sits in the Temple; 2 Thess 2:4 proves it. That the sacrifices and offerings must have started before then,, is a given.
And you explain Gal 6:15 and I will answer BACK !!

dan p
I won't, so you don't.

The Christian peoples are the true Israel and the Jews are toast.
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Whose groceries are more Expensive?

The CPI does seperate out the food items. Here is Ai's answer to my question: In 2025 how much has the food component of the US CPI gone up?
"In the 12 months ending in July 2025, the food component of the U.S. Consumer Price Index (CPI) increased by 2.9%, with food-at-home prices rising 2.2% and food-away-from-home prices increasing 3.9%. For the 12 months ending in August 2025, the overall food index rose 3.2%."
Guess they could not parse the data to just 2025. I next asked it for the latest month being reported. At home food is up .6% and food out .5% Those are pretty big numbers for an annual rate. 7.2 % At 7.2 % annually food prices would double in about 10 years. The tariffs are starting to pinch. Meanwhile many US farmers are going broke. Wheat prices down 17% this year alone.

Of course, Revelations 6:6 says a days wages for about enough wheat to make a 1.5 loaves of bread.
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ABC pulls Jimmy Kimmel Live after comments on Charlie Kirk

Didn't happen. No threats were made. I disagree with Cruz on this one thing. I too think the governement should stay out of free apeech issues. But I disagree that Carr threatened anyone.
Carr should have stayed out it becauae it muddled the water and gave the left something to whine about and claim something false about what occurred.

...sure, most people listening to what Carr said understood it as an implied threat.

"This is a very, very serious issue right now for Disney. We can do this the easy way or the hard way. These companies can find ways to take action on Kimmel or there is going to be additional work for the FCC ahead." "They have a license granted by us at the FCC, and that comes with it an obligation to operate in the public interest."


"...in the public interest" as determined by who? .......well Carr of course.

[note: Carr was the author of the FCC strategy in Project 2025]


Kimmel thanked those who spoke up on his behalf last night:
“And I also want to thank all of you. Thanks to (all) who supported our show, cared enough to do something about it, to make your voices heard so that mine could be heard. I will never forget it. And maybe weirdly, maybe most of all, I want to thank the people who don’t support my show and what I believe but support my right to share those beliefs anyway, people who I never would have imagined like Ben Shapiro, Clay Travis, Candace Owens, Mitch McConnell, Rand Paul, even my old pal Ted Cruz, who, believe it or not, said something very beautiful on my behalf.” <--whiny leftests?

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Trump Calls For Ilhan Omar’s Removal From Congress

Chrilise is dead and the Right wants to focus on why the Left is bad and the Right is good.
If you listen to her all she want to focus on is how the right is bad and the left is good.

The right wants to focus on how the lefts rhetoric has now resulted in multiple shootings and deaths and other violence. Its pretty much all coming from the left now.
But Omar nor the Left have any monopoly hateful rhetoric. Anyway, how is she dangerous?
They pretty much do now and have since Trump got elected.

She personally isn't dangerous. But her mouth is.
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Take a stand on political violence

Tell that to Chicago and Baltimore
I don't think that you understand how statistics work. I can show you this: Safest Cities in the World For 2025 | Berkshire Hathaway Travel Protection
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Then I can show you this: Chilling details revealed as man stabbed in Sydney driveway

The fact of the second doesn't nullify the truth of the first. I hope that helps.
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Whose groceries are more Expensive?

I'm curious where everyone is at with their food budgets.

I've seen some pretty crazy images of beef and coffee and such. Not as interested in eggs.

Grocery prices are jumping up. We explain why.

Not necessarily as interested in the "big picture" stuff and more about people's awareness of how expensive things are "on the ground".
$40 for the house brand at Costco for Keurig pods, (120). Last week, $36 (up from $30/2024).
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Stephen Miller delivers heated remarks at Charlie Kirk's memorial service: 'We are the storm'

I watched the video of Kirk's wife forgiving the shooter. It was obviously well-rehearsed down to each eye movement and facial expression. It reminded me of WWF. I expected to see politicians exploiting this event, but not his wife. I wouldn't be surprised if she had a book out by Christmas. Call me cynical.
While I think we can all acknowledge that being a media-lightning-rod has the very real possibility of death as a result of “correctly” pursuing such a career, when it happens the immediate family is going to probably be in a state of emotional shock and “not looking right”.
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Charlie Kirk - Martyr or Political Activist?


I agree with Governor Youngkin.
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Left-Wing Terrorism Is on the Rise

Let's focus on this part. They are working with a relatively small window of time, with a relatively limited dataset, to support their implied claims.
The whole left-right spectrum is old-hat: authoritarians and libertarians, now.

(One may wake up with strange bedfellows!)
Enjoy.
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Europe - Cradle of Christianity, but now ...

It reminds of this idea, which appears in many ways, that if the enemy leaves us alone it's because we aren't a threat to him. Which means we are comfortable in, and part of, his world.
May we not be counted among those who say "Lord, Lord", but He doesn't know us.
That's very true. If we are living holy lives close to God though easier to get rid of him. But then we have situation like job, where God uses evil for higher purpose
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Left-Wing Terrorism Is on the Rise

2025 marks the first time in more than 30 years that left-wing attacks outnumber those from the far right.

The year 2016 was a turning point for left-wing terrorism, even as right-wing incidents remained much more common. Trump’s political ascent and the expansion of the MAGA movement seem to have reenergized left-wing violent extremism, which accounted for 37 incidents from 2016 to 2024, most of them motivated by either anti-government or partisan sentiment. By July 4 of this year, far-left extremists had already been responsible for five terrorist attacks and plots...

A major shift in politics ... can cause the losing side to become more combative. Just as Trump’s election led to a rise in left-wing violence, President Barack Obama’s election corresponded with a surge of violence from the right.

This year ... violence on the right has plummeted. Only one right-wing-terrorist incident occurred in the first six months of 2025: the June assassination of the Minnesota state legislator Melissa Hortman and her husband. This extraordinary drop-off is too recent to allow for any definitive explanations—and the number of terror incidents often fluctuates over short periods—but Trump’s reelection could be a key factor. His victory deflated election conspiracies that had once motivated many extremists.

Under Trump, right-wing extremists may feel less need to mobilize, because they sense that their interests are already being taken care of.

Exaggerated rhetoric across party lines helps explain why both Republicans and Democrats believe that more than 40 percent of the other side supports murder if it serves their political interests. In reality, less than 4 percent of Americans support partisan violence such as assault or arson, let alone murder.
Oh goodie, the reactionary party is going to have to “do something” about “political violence” now!?

What joy!
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