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Feds fine Mormon church for illicitly hiding $32 billion behind shell companies

Feds fine Mormon church for illicitly hiding $32 billion investment fund behind shell companies


The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and a nonprofit entity that it controlled have been fined $5 million by the Securities and Exchange Commission over accusations that the religious institution failed to properly disclose its investment holdings. In an order released Tuesday, the SEC alleged that the church illicitly hid its investments and their management behind multiple shell companies from 1997 to 2019. In doing so, it failed to disclose the size of the church’s equity portfolio to the SEC and the public.

The church was concerned that disclosure of the assets in the name of the nonprofit entity, called Ensign Peak Advisors, which manages the church's investments, would lead to negative consequences in light of the size of the church’s portfolio, the SEC said. The allegations of the illicit shell company structure first emerged in 2018, when a group formerly called MormonLeaks — now known as the Truth and Transparency Foundation — claimed that year the extent of the church's investments had reached $32 billion. The following year, a whistleblower filed a complaint to the Internal Revenue Service, according to a 2020 Wall Street Journal report; that year, the newspaper said the church's holdings had grown to $100 billion.

“For more than half a century, the Mormon Church quietly built one of the world’s largest investment funds,” the Journal said. “Almost no one outside the church knew about it.” The SEC accused the church Tuesday of going to "great lengths" to avoid disclosing its investments and, in doing so, "depriving the commission and the investing public of accurate market information.”

After the SEC expressed concern about Ensign Peak’s reporting approach in June 2019, the church said, Ensign Peak "adjusted its approach and began filing a single aggregated report. This settlement relates to how the forms were filed previously," the church said. "Ensign Peak and the Church have cooperated with the government over a period of time as we sought resolution. We affirm our commitment to comply with the law, regret mistakes made, and now consider this matter closed."


A billion here, a billion there . . . pretty soon you're talking real money!
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Question regarding Vertical Worship

So I am a musician. I was researching (on ultimate-guitar) a song the other day from Elevation Worship, which is the musical arm of Steven Furtick's church. The song is "Graves to Gardens". Apparently they have copyright claims against website that even just show people how to play their songs. So the website is not allowed to show any of their songs for legal reasons. Now that in itself isnt a huge deal to me, another artist had the same song up and the chords were correct, I learned the song, so on.

What Im concerned with is this idea of blocking others from learning. I cant articulate my thoughts clearly, and I understand as an artist they are likely trying to protect their work, just seems wrong to me as a believer, especially since they are the only worship band I know to do this. Added to this is their affiliation to Steven Furtick. Am I wrong in my view here? Seriously, Im asking to see if Im just being dramatic.

What is it that distances Russia from the West?

So Russia has been condemning the West in it's state run propaganda machine apparently, where now, Russian civilians are saying they're ready to bomb London or Paris, in an allout battle against the West. Russia has also said that it is prepared to push back the borders of Poland.

...So my question becomes, *why* is Russia so hostile toward the West? Do they not consider themselves fellow Europeans? Can they not see that we all share the same religions, and culture? They have the same malls that we do, the same cars, and the same logic.

So what is it, exactly, that they feel they need to protect themselves from? Are they opposed to immigration, like a kind of racism? I don't think that's it. I don't think it's the LGBTQ dilemma - there's no need for an authoritarian regime to worry about that - they can easily outlaw it.

So what on earth are they doing..? Why would they want to hate their own kin (fellow Europeans)? What are they "protecting" themselves from?

A dream about a church horror

I had this dream last night about an old church. It was a Catholic Church I think. I'm not Catholic, yet, I wanted to get inside but the monks didn't want me inside.

I was allowed to stay in the church grounds though which is basically a garden, a real nice garden. So I started visiting the Church grounds frequently. Just want to hang out there and the monks didn't seem to mind.

But something horrible happened. Not sure if it's an earthquake or an explosion but the church collapsed. It seems the monks got out in time. Nobody died. But something was set loose within the church. For out of the ruins, came forth a black liquid that looked like tar but not tar. Yet, the tar-looking liquid did entrapped people and eventually killed them like tar would.

The liquid also looked alive for it was able to scale buildings upward. There seemed like waves on its surface it moved in a very strange fashion

The liquid just came out pouring like without ending, engulfing houses, buildings, and many people. Eventually, a Western Coalition made of NATO and its allies came to try to figure out what's going on. It didn't take long for them to find out there's nothing they can do at least at that time. It was totally unprecedented and dealing with the event was completely beyond their capabilities.

So the Western coalition was in a hurry to evacuate and save themselves. They left a message that we need to evacuate as many people as we can offshore. But even they were quickly overrun by the black liquid.

But one unbelievable thing happened. The liquid did not overcome me. Instead, I was able to run over it. It made me much stronger that I was able to run on it at bullet train speeds. The NATO commander saw what happened and arranged to meet with me to tell me what to do. He wanted me to go someplace. It seems he thought I'm the key to solving the crisis. But it was too late for the liquid got to him before he was able to tell me which place to go.

It was like a flood coming forth from the Earth but it was alive.
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pray about tongues

So I go to a church that is one of those spirit filled churches At this church they speak in tongues and I have always felt I wasnt going to ever speak in tongues. Then the pastor asked if I wanted to speak in tongues and I said yes. He then says to let me tongue flow and I kind of uttered what felt like random speech. Later that day I asked a friend who spoke in tongues if she knew what she was saying when she prayed in tongues because I dont feel like I was downloaded with any foreign language. She said most of the times she didnt know what she was saying either. When I pray this way I do feel something different but I still feel like I am saying random speech. I told her I wasnt even sure if I was really speaking in tongues and that I dont want to be trying to speak in tongues when I cant before the Lord. She said the enemy likes to put doubt. I would like prayer about this. Im scared to the point of wanting to abandon this tongues thing. I would rather get to heaven and hear "Why did you stop? You were really speaking in tongues" rather than "Why were you trying to do something before me that I didnt give you the gift of?" Should I stop? Should I keep going? Please pray for me.

Church Polity

So, do you have a preference for now a denomination is structured?

Church polity is something that does not really matter that much to me. I'm Baptist, so I am biased towards Congregationalist polity, but I am more concerned about how theology and the character of those leading the denomination.

As long as I agree with the denomination's teachings and doctrines, and it's leaders are godly, then I don't particularly care whether it has a plurality of elders, a chain of bishops, or independent local churches. At least, the polity wouldn't be a dealbreaker for me.

What about you?

Something that may help against Jehovah's Witnesses

If you can poke a hole in the Jehovah’s Witness teaching, they may start to doubt if the church is correct. So, it is good to have this little piece of knowledge in your quiver.
Here is a way of showing a Jehovah’s Witness that they are not the ones who return with Christ and reign for 1000 years.

I had a JW come to my door the other day and we spoke for about 15 minutes.
He went on to tell me that the JW’s will reign with Christ for 1000 years. I then asked him to read the verse about who reigns for 1000 years.
Revelation 20:4-5 says “And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.”
At the start of this verse it says that John saw thrones and the ones that sat on the thrones and they were given the authority to judge. This implies that there are a number of judges. Then it says that John saw the martyrs for Christ. So, the ones judging, and the martyrs are not one in the same people. They are different beings. I then asked the JW, “If Christ judges everyone, then who are the ones that judge the martyrs? It specifically says that there are a number of thrones and judges.” The JW did not have the answer.

I then said to the JW that I believe the people who reign with Christ are the 144,000. And he agreed. So, I took him to the verses where the 144,000 are mentioned.
In Rev 7:4-8 John describes the 144,000 as being from the 12 tribes of Israel. So, they are Jewish people. The JW, then told me that this was symbolic. I said that I did not believe so. And then I showed him how in Matt 19:28 Jesus said that he would hand over the judgment of the nation of Israel, to the disciples. “And Jesus said to them, “Truly I say to you, that you who have followed Me, in the regeneration when the Son of Man will sit on His glorious throne, you also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel”.
So, in Rev 20:4, the reason there are several thrones, and several Judges is because, it is the disciples who are judging Jewish people.

So, keep this in your quiver for the next time they arrive on your door. It may make them double think about their church.

NOTE: I do understand that many believers have a different view of end times, but I choose to read the bible literary. If it makes sense, then I do not add a symbolic mystical meaning to it.
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Continuationism vs Cessationism is it Hard to figure out?

Now I would very much like to believe the Holy Spirit gifts such as healing, prophecy, tongues, etc are still available to this day.

I am undecided, first I want to throughly consult the scriptures first.

With many Churches being divided on the subject I'm a bit overwhelmed that this will be a never ending study with no clear answer.

Is it easy to figure out?

I believe this is a very important part of doctrine.

is AI misleading people from the truth of Christianity?

This video is revealing how that the questions asked about God are answered by non christians and are not the answers we would give out of the bible. Login to view embedded media If you want bible answers at least go to the bible but unfortunately the seekers for truth do not know the world will not give them the truth.

Lust

I think one of the main things that blocks me from moving forward spiritually is lust..
... Not only lust, but an unwillingness to give it up...
I lack both the ability and the inclination to give it up.

To repent means to turn from sin, but I don't want to turn from it...
... I'm unable to repent, so I'm stuck....

Q.: What can I do?

Any Suggestions?

My new home health aide is a Jehovah Witness. I talk about my life and the Lord because that’s my life. I was Born Again when I was 20 years old and now I’m 61 years old. I think initially she probably thought I was some kind of “religious nut” because of the way I talk about the Lord. I don’t talk “theology”. Instead I talk about who the Lord is in my life and what He’s done and is doing for me. I think she tried to do a JW push back. She had to run an errand but before she left, She asked if I could the copies. I told her that I couldn’t make copies for her because I don’t promote religion, religious make some copies for her and left the papers on the table. Turned out what she wanted copies of were her own personal JW “tracks” that were directing people to an online JW site. I also think on the sly that she thought she could “witness” to me without facing me but it didn’t work because I’m really good at checking “sources”. When she came back from the errand, the first thing she asked about were organizations, denominations, etc. She hurried up and put the papers in her purse saying it was okay. However the day before she had mentioned that she wanted an NIV Bible. Well it turns out that I had an NIV large print soft cover Bible that had hardly been used. So later that day I offered it to her and she was truly happy to receive it.

Where I’m at is I just love sharing about the Lord because He’s my life. I’ve got 41+ years of experiences with the Lord. I don’t talk “theology” for a variety of reasons but I do believe that people are more interested when I share about my life not just how I was Born Again but life failures/successes and how the Godhead has always made and continues to make the difference.

So do you have any suggestions?
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Pete Buttigieg is apparently "the victim" in the case of the train derailment?


I thought this was a rather unorthodox take on the whole situation.

Statements like “Pete Buttigieg has taken a lot of bullets for the president on this,” and claiming he's "absorbing the brunt of attacks from the Biden administration’s adversaries."

And things like:
The “effort by Fox News and Republicans” to use the pain of the East Palestine community “as a political weapon is both enraging and demeaning,”


The common narrative from some on the left has been that "It was Trump's deregulation that caused this, but the current administration is taking the blame" is more than a tad misleading.

The single solitary regulation in question (from Obama) that Trump lifted wouldn't haven't prevented this particular incident, and the argument itself doesn't hold water. If the claim is "the previous administration unilaterally removed important regulation XYZ that the previous administration before that unilaterally put in place", then the rebuttal would be "Well, then why hasn't the current administration who's been in power for 2 years unilaterally put it back?"


I think this is one where both progressives and conservatives should be able to find some common ground here.

As someone who consumes media from both sides of the aisle and agrees and disagrees with various points they make on various topics, it seems to be something that some pundits in the independent media on both sides agree on, Pete's neglected his duties and was uniquely unqualified for the job that he was appointed to.

The Young Turks take (it's hard to outflank them on the left)
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Techo Intro

G'day,
I'm Techo from down under. Figured it only be polite to introduce myself. Only been a Christian a short time... 50 years or so... but looking forward to the next millenium (and the rest) when I graduate to be with the Lord (especially since my wife did that last year).

I was raised a Baptist (was going to Church from before I was born) and became a Jesus people back in '73 after I joined the Charismatics. (I think the rest of the church people were unsure how to take me back then). When I moved to Melbourne (Australia) for work I was going to join a Charismatic Baptist church but the only one I knew was way over the other side of town. I started going to a Pentecostal fellowship and found that what that were teaching lined up with what I had read in Watchman Nee's 'The Normal Christian Church" (even though, at the time, they were not really operating that way... yet) so I continued to attend there. There have been a lot of changes in that Church over the past 40 years and, while others may still call us Pentecostal, we tend to consider ourselves more like non-denominational.

Things have not been easy for me. I was married but that girl really only wanted legitimate children and so, after our son was born, she discarded me (with an accusation that made her appear totally justified amongst her Christian friends), took our children and I've not had any contact with them in the past 30 years. Still... they treated Jesus worse and a servant is not above his master so I guess we have to deal with that sort of thing. Because she divorced me and the attitude she displayed amounted to, in the views of the Church eldership, an infidelity I was able to remarry to a wonderful lady who I 'stole' from another local fellowship. We had over 20 years together before she was diagnosed with cancer and then went to be with our Lord. Perhaps in all this God is perfecting something in me but I guess I'm too close to the situation to see what has been the result.
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Hello and welcome to CF may you make many friends here. Sorry to hear of your loss ... but .... it is not good bye .... it's until we meet again .... in heaven ;o)
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Do not hate the sinner

Do not hate the sinner; for we are all laden with guilt. If for the sake of God, you are moved to oppose him, weep over him. Why do you hate him? Hate his sins and pray for him, that you may imitate Christ Who was not wroth with sinners, but interceded for them. Do you not see how he wept over Jerusalem. We are mocked by the devil in many instances, so why should we hate the man who is mocked by him who mocks us also. Why, O man, do you hate the sinner? Could it be because he is not so righteous as you? But where is your righteousness when you have no love?

Isaac the Syrian

In Defense of Y'all

As many of us English-speakers have learned at one point or another, English used to make a distinction between ye, you, thee, and thou. With ye being the second person plural (formal), you the second person singular (formal); and thee the second person plural (informal) and thou the second person singular (informal). But all of these have in almost all cases having been truncated to a universal second person plural pronoun: "you". While there seems to have been more nuanced rules at play at different points of the English language, this is largely the the broad strokes of it.

While, generally, we have a good ability to grasp, from context, whether a person means "you" in the singular or "you" in the plural, there are plenty of occasions where confusion can arise. And in some places in the English speaking world, local dialectical words or expressions have arisen that help fill in those gaps. As an American, I am most familiar with examples of this in American English. In the American North East one will occasionally find the use of "youse" or "youse guys", and around Pittsburg, Pennsylvania one can even find "you-uns" or "yinz". Though the most well known American dialectical second person plural pronoun is, arguably, "y'all", a contraction for "you all". Historically limited to the American South, this word has also been spreading in use, to varying degrees, to other parts of the United States.

At this juncture, I would like to point out that while, yes, I am an American, I am not from the American South. I am from the Pacific Northwest which does not traditionally use "y'all", but it is a place where it has slowly been making limited headway.

This word has often, at least in some parts of America, often been associated with bad grammar, or sounding uneducated; perhaps through prejudice against American Southerners; but that prejudice has been disappearing and the word is gaining more traction. And I think it's easy to see why: It is, among American English speakers, rather ubiquitous, especially as the internet has brought more people into contact with others of different dialects. It serves a helpful function in language, offering a second person plural distinct from "you",, that distinction eliminates the possibility of of confusion where it could otherwise exist. And also, arguably, it's just really fun to say, it flows very smoothly off the tongue (at least, in many cases of American English).

As such, I believe and strongly defend the use of "y'all" as a perfectly legitimate second personal plural pronoun. And advocate that it should enjoy more widespread provenance. Perhaps it may never enjoy much use outside of American dialectical English; but I still maintain it is good, useful, already has widespread use among many English speakers, and serves an invaluable linguistic function. If your own English dialect already has this function, that's all well and good; but if your English dialect lacks any distinction between a first person plural pronoun and a second person plural pronoun, I encourage you to try out "y'all". It's as delectable to the linguistic palette as Southern BBQ is for the taste buds.

-CryptoLutheran

Vincent Cheung

Hi everyone,

I was curious if anyone is familiar with Vincent Cheung’s writings and philosophy? I tend to agree with a lot of what he says; he seems consistent, biblical, and analytical, all for the most part.

Two questions for those who enjoy reading Cheung.
1. Do you agree with all of his writings?
2. Specifically, do you agree with his view of the Unpardonable Sin?

I agree with a lot of his writings, but his view of the unpardonable sin freaks me out. I tend to worry that if his view is correct, what if at some
point I said something that crossed the line? I have OCD, which does not help with worrying and fears.

I love the Lord with all my heart and am very devout, but it’s been hard to have peace of mind lately when thinking about Cheung’s writings on this.

Thoughts?
Lost Witness
Lost Witness
You wouldn't care had you, "crossed the line"
it wouldn't bother you at all.
With that being said, No. Wouldn't say You've committed Thee Eternal Sin.
Remember Keep Your eyes on the LORD.:oldthumbsup:
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Thank you @Lost Witness. I keep my eyes on the LORD daily

I wasn’t sure if you answered this with your “no”, but are you familiar with Vincent Cheung’s writings?
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Lost Witness
Feel it's best to only go by scripture and rely on the LORD for discernment than other sources
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I have done the unforgivable sin

I am extremely ashamed to even write this;I have done something truly horrible that no one else has done,and I am sure I am lost but unsure of what to do at this point,I became a christian after having multiple spiritual experiences,but then,I started to develop really bad religious anxiety,I always was an anxious person and learning about the unforgivable sin i would get so many thoughts cussing God and saying bad stuff about him,and it made me veryyy terrified and I didnt what to do,but then,I learned online that the true unforgivable sin was to call God demonic,and since then,I kept having so many intruisive thoughts of that,up until then,it was ok bc these thoughts were nothing but intruisive (only now i realize this,but in the moment i thought i was truly lost)but then,doubts about my faith started to come,and then thats where I got into the dangerous zone,everytime i would have doubts,those intruisive tjoughts will be like what if God was really;;;;u know what,and I was so lost bc I just kept having bad thoughts against God and nothing I can do could help at all,i started to isolate from everything bc everything made those thoughts worse(I will see non christian people and wonder why God made them only to put them in hell forever and then I will get these bad thoughts,I will try to read the bible and then I got them)Im scared at that point even though those were intruisive thoughts i was listening and dwelling on them which I REALLY shouldnt have done,and i was only focusing on them nothing else,well,I believe I definetely may have mumbled these thoughts or said them out loud a bunch of times,and I definetely semi believed them,I used to try and calm myself by saying the unforgivable sin is actually unbelief but now I realize its really not it clearly says whoever speaks;so its a spoken thing;and it says that its unforgivable in this age,and unbelief is forgivable if you repent,its clearly a one time thing,I am only 15 years and I am very much going to hell forever,I dont know what to do,I am only writing this to ask what should I do?is seeking God even worth it atp?I dont feel true repentance nor forgiveness,just intelectual fear of hell that i even can turn off sometimes;ibut its also so bad and it makes me feel liek im going crazy idk what to do

False Witnesses

Psalms 27:11-14 ESV

“Teach me your way, O Lord,
and lead me on a level path
because of my enemies.
Give me not up to the will of my adversaries;
for false witnesses have risen against me,
and they breathe out violence.
“I believe that I shall look upon the goodness of the Lord
in the land of the living!
Wait for the Lord;
be strong, and let your heart take courage;
wait for the Lord!”

What or Who is The Church?

The one thing the Lord is bringing to mind here is in relation to the difference between the institutional “church” (of man, not of God) and the true church, the body of Christ. For there is a lot of confusion on this subject. For if you were to ask most people in America to draw a picture of the church, I think most people would draw a picture of a building, perhaps with a steeple on top, because that has been ingrained in them, probably from childhood, that the building is the church.

And so when they read Hebrews 10:25, and just these words, “not neglecting to meet together, as is the habit of some,” they interpret those words as we all have to be in a building called “church” on a weekly basis or we are neglecting to meet together as Christians. But back when this was written, they didn’t meet in buildings called “church.” They were the church, and they met together in people’s homes or in the temple courts or wherever they could find a place to meet together as the church.

And another thing about this is that we need to pay attention to the context of Hebrews 10 (before and after and including the whole sentence in vv. 24-25). For this is not talking about a physical building but a spiritual building. For we do not have to go to a physical building now to worship our Lord, for our Lord, by his Spirit, lives within those of us of genuine God-given faith in Jesus Christ. Now we are his building. We are the temple of God, and God lives in us, not in buildings built by human hands. We are God’s house.

[Matt 5:13-16; Matt 28:18-20; Lu 9:23-26; Jn. 4:31-38; Jn. 13:13-17; Jn 14:12; Ac 1:8; Ac 2:42-47; Ac 26:18; Rom 6:1-23; Rom 8:1-17; Rom 10:14-15; Rom 12:1-8; Gal 5:16-21; 1 Co 3:9,16-17; 1 Co 6:19-20; 1 Co 12:1-31; 2 Co 5:1; 2 Co 6:14-16; Eph 1:4,22; Eph 2:19-22; Eph 4:1-32; Eph 5:17-30; Col 1:18-24; Col 2:19; Col 3:12-16; 2 Tim 1:9; 2 Tim 2:21; 1 Pet 1:13-16; 1 Pet 2:4-9,21; Titus 2:11-14; Heb 3:13; Heb 10:23-31; Jude 1:20-21; 1 Jn 1:5-9; 1 Jn 2:3-6; 1 Jn 3:4-10]

And we are to draw near to God with our hearts sprinkled clean from an evil conscience and our bodies washed with pure water, which is speaking of what takes place when we believe in Jesus. We are crucified with him in death to sin, and we are raised with him to walk in newness of life in him, now set free from our slavery to sin so that we will now be slaves of God and of his righteousness. So now we walk according to the Spirit and no longer according to the flesh. And we are to hold fast to these walks of faith.

[Lu 9:23-26; Jn 6:35-58; Jn 15:1-11; Rom 6:1-23; Rom 8:1-17; Eph 4:17-24; 1 Pet 2:24; 1 Co 6:19-20; 2 Co 5:15,21; Tit 2:11-14; Jas 1:22-25; 1 Jn 1:5-9; Rom 12:1-2; Eph 2:8-10; Heb 12:1-2; Jn 6:44; 2 Pet 1:1; 1 Co 15:58; Php 2:12-13; Col 1:21-23; 1 Co 10:1-22; Heb 3:1-19; Heb 4:1-13]

What is the Purpose of our Gatherings?

And now we are to “consider how to stir up one another to love and good works, not neglecting to meet together, as is the habit of some, but encouraging one another, and all the more as you see the Day drawing near” (Hebrews 10:24-25 in context). So, what is the purpose of us meeting together? To stir one another up to love and good works (deeds), and to encourage (exhort, urge) one another toward walks of holiness and righteousness and in obedience to our Lord, for we don’t have for forever.

So, we need to meet somewhere together where we can do this, right? Are most institutional churches open to that? None that I am aware of where Christians can meet together and where they can encourage and urge one another in walks of holiness and righteousness, and in loving one another with the love of God, and where we can stir one another up to love and to good works, using the gifts of the Spirit we each have been given in the areas of ministry to which our Lord has called us individually.

And then what follows in Hebrews 10 in vv. 26 and beyond? “For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a fearful expectation of judgment, and a fury of fire that will consume the adversaries.” So, the whole purpose of our meeting together is to help prevent this from happening. Our purpose in gathering together as the body of Christ is to exhort and urge one another in holy living and to warn each other, too, of the consequences of continuing in habitual and deliberate sin against our Lord.

[Matt 7:21-23; Lu 9:23-26; Jn 6:35-58; Jn 15:1-11; Rom 1:18-32; Rom 2:6-8; Rom 6:1-23; Rom 8:1-14; 1 Co 6:9-10; 2 Co 5:10; Gal 5:16-21; Gal 6:7-8; Eph 5:3-6; Col 1:21-23; Col 3:5-11; 1 Jn 1:5-10; 1 Jn 2:3-6; 1 Jn 3:4-10; Heb 10:23-31; 1 Pet 1:17-21; Rev 21:8,27; Rev 22:14-15]

False Witnesses

So, going back to the passage of today, there are many professing Christians today who are convinced that we must be in a building called “church” at least once a week or else we are neglecting the meeting together of us Christians. And some of them will put much pressure on Christians who, by God’s direction and leading, have abandoned what is of man and of the flesh of man in order to follow the Lord in obedience in doing what his word teaches us we must do. And they will try to guilt-trip us into returning to what is of man which will mean neglecting what God has called us to do.

Now, I believe many of them mean well, but others who know better who are listening to and who are speaking the lies do not mean well. For some of them who are of the flesh are trying to draw us back into living by the flesh and to not walking by the Spirit. But here is the bottom line. The church is not a building, and it is not a business or a corporation under the state or a church denomination. All of that is of the flesh of man. The church is us, the people who are following Jesus Christ with our lives, and so we are following his lead and not the leading of human flesh.

And God has led many of us to leave the institutional church (Babylon) and to go where our Lord sends us where we can do what he has called us to do, as his body – where we can use our spiritual gifts and ministries for the encouragement and building up of the body of Christ to maturity in Christ and in our walks of faith and obedience to our Lord – and where we can warn of the things the Scriptures warn us against, which is also for the building up of the body of Christ to maturity in Christ, our Lord. And for me, that place is the internet, which is where the Lord led me 18 years ago.

Come Out from Among Her: [John 2:13-17; 1 Corinthians 1:10-17; 2 Corinthians 6:14-18; Revelation 18:1-5]

For Our Nation

An Original Work / September 11, 2012

Bombs are bursting. Night is falling.
Jesus Christ is gently calling
You to follow Him in all ways.
Trust Him with your life today.
Make Him your Lord and your Savior.
Turn from your sin. Follow Jesus.
He will forgive you of your sin;
Cleanse your heart, made new within.

Men betraying: Our trust fraying.
On our knees to God we’re praying,
Seeking God to give us answers
That are only found in Him.
God is sovereign over all things.
Nothing from His mind escaping.
He has all things under His command,
And will work all for good.

Jesus Christ is gently calling
You to follow Him in all ways.

Men deceiving: We’re believing
In our Lord, and interceding
For our nation and its people
To obey their God today.
He is our hope for our future.
For our wounds He offers suture.
He is all we need for this life.
Trust Him with your life today.

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