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  • CF has always been a site that welcomes people from different backgrounds and beliefs to participate in discussion and even debate. That is the nature of its ministry. In view of recent events emotions are running very high. We need to remind people of some basic principles in debating on this site. We need to be civil when we express differences in opinion. No personal attacks. Avoid you, your statements. Don't characterize an entire political party with comparisons to Fascism or Communism or other extreme movements that committed atrocities. CF is not the place for broad brush or blanket statements about groups and political parties. Put the broad brushes and blankets away when you come to CF, better yet, put them in the incinerator. Debate had no place for them. We need to remember that people that commit acts of violence represent themselves or a small extreme faction.

RFK Jr. announces divorce from the Democratic Party, launches indy 2024 run

Robert F. Kennedy Jr. launched an independent bid for the presidency on Monday, dropping his Democratic primary challenge to President Biden in a speech that called on voters to “reclaim” their country from major parties that he said have war-mongered, abandoned unity and fallen short on issues such as health care, the environment and housing.


Mr. Kennedy took aim at extreme factions who are “getting us to hate each other,” saying corrupt leaders have rigged the system in their favor while seniors, veterans, farmers and others are left behind.

“The most hateful voices of course are always the loudest but there are a lot of quiet Americans who are looking with disgust at the vitriol, the name-calling and the venom,” he told a cheering crowd in Philadelphia. “They want it to end. They want us to get along.”

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Hamas attack puts new attention on terrorism at U.S. border

Hamas’ sneak attack into Israel across a heavily fortified border has focused new attention on America’s own borders, where Republicans say the next 9/11-style attackers may be planning to enter — or already have.

Lawmakers demanded President Biden acknowledge the risks to the U.S. and respond with more border walls, troop deployments and an end to the catch-and-release free-for-all that has allowed millions of unauthorized migrants to disperse to communities across the country.

“We have to take the example of what just happened here and say to our own intelligence, what do we have along our border? What cells have we allowed to come in here?” Rep. Kevin McCarthy, former speaker of the House, told radio host Hugh Hewitt on Monday.

Refuting My Previous Position on Spirit Baptism Replacing Water Baptism:

Introduction:

I originally started out believing that Christians should be water-baptized. Then one day, a believer brought up how Spirit baptism replaced water baptism by mentioning Acts 19:1-7. At first glance, it appeared this passage taught Spirit baptism replaces water baptism. I believed this for about a year or so. Then one day, my belief that Spirit baptism replaced water baptism was challenged by another believer. So I began to re-examine what I believed on this matter yet again. In other words, to make a long story short, I discovered that inferences are made off of certain verses when they can equally be in defense of water baptism still being in effect. In short, a believer would need something like the following words to defend their belief that Spirit baptism replaces water baptism:​
“And the apostle Paul said to the believers gathered together. My brothers. We should no longer water baptize. This was the old way that no longer applies to us anymore. Only the apostle John was to water baptize. We cannot baptize in the name of Jesus anymore. The Spirit now baptizes us when we believe on Jesus Christ.” (Imaginary Bible passage).​
Also, a Christian video that was not even focused on water baptism primarily had double confirmed my own conviction on the matter. It was a video on faith. You can check that out here. (Note: Please understand I do not share all views expressed by Alan Ballou in the video; I agree with his teaching on sin and salvation). Anyways, my New Position is my Original Position in regards to water baptism.​
My Previous Position was believing that Spirit Baptism had replaced Water Baptism.​
I now no longer hold to this viewpoint.​
My New Position (Original Position) is that water baptism is required of Christians but it is non-salvific.​
Spirit baptism is what happens when a person receives Jesus Christ as their Savior (John 1:12), they believe the gospel message in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, and they seek forgiveness with Jesus (Romans 10:9, Romans 10:13).​

Refuting My Previous Position on Spirit Baptism Replacing Water Baptism:

#1. My Previous Position would use Ephesians 4:5 which says that there is “one baptism.”​
My rebuttal (My New Position): Ephesians 4:5 is in context to behavior and not what God does upon us. Ephesians 4:1-2 says, “I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called, With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love;”. Ephesians 4:14 says, “That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;” We have one faith just as we have on baptism. Both the faith and baptism are things we must employ and not God. Jesus Himself tells us in the great commission that we are to teach all that He commanded Him baptizing in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost in Matthew 28. This is exactly what the apostles did in that they baptized in that one name that represents all three persons of the Godhead or Trinity (Which was the name of Jesus). At no point did God tell them to stop baptizing in the name of Jesus. This is what we need to see in Scripture if such a thing actually happened.​
#2. My Previous Position would use 1 Corinthians 12:13 as proof. 1 Corinthians 12:13 says, “For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.”​
My rebuttal (My New Position): This is not actually saying Spirit baptism replaces water baptism. This is merely describing what the Spirit does to us when we accept the Lord as our Savior. In the early church, they obeyed the Lord’s instructions on water baptism in the name of Jesus. The apostles would water baptize right away once a person established faith in Jesus Christ as their Savior. When a person was water baptized, the Spirit would come upon them. This is what happened in Acts 19 when Paul was about to water baptize believers in the name of Jesus (See: Acts 19:1-7). As Paul was about to baptize them in water in the name of Jesus, and he laid his hand upon the Ephesian believers to immerse them in water, they received the baptism of the Holy Spirit. If for some reason Paul was not to water baptize in the name of Jesus in this instance, then why didn’t the Spirit say not to water baptize these Ephesian believers in the name of Jesus? Anyways, the point here is that when a believer was water baptized, they would in most cases be Spirit baptized as a result. Granted, there were exceptions to the rule on this like with Cornelius and his family. But Peter expressed how they also needed to be water baptized, and neither Jesus, nor the Holy Spirit objected to Peter water baptizing them. Neither do we see the apostles gathering together to discuss this issue and explaining how things have changed, either. In Acts 15, we learn that the Gentile believers were not required to keep the Laws of Moses. The point here is that this event recorded in Scripture clearly lets us know that Gentile believers are not obligated to be under the Old Covenant system of law through Moses. Its clear. But saying that water baptism has ended is not clear from Scripture.​
#3. My Previous Position: The prophecy and fulfillment of the new baptism: John the Baptist stated: “I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:” (Matthew 3:11). Jesus stated: “For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.” (Acts of the Apostles 1:5).​
My rebuttal (My New Position): In regards to being baptized into the Spirit with these verses, this is referring a very specific event, which was Pentecost. This event is not repeatable. First, we are not Jewish believers. Second, Jewish believers are not told to go to Jerusalem and wait there today. Foreign Jews are not now expected to repeat this event in Jerusalem with the Spirit translating their languages again. This is a unique event in church history and these verses refer to this unique event and they are not repeatable for us today. It was the birth of the church. Granted, John’s baptism of water does not apply anymore. We are now to be water baptized in the name of Jesus after believing in Christ as our Savior. When this happens genuinely, we will be baptized by the Spirit. This is exactly what we see described to us in the rest of the book of Acts.​
#4. My Previous Position would quote 1 Corinthians 1:17 as proof. 1 Corinthians 1:17 says, “For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.”​
My Rebuttal (My New Position): At first glance, this may sound like water baptism has ended by Paul making this statement. However, Paul recounts how he has baptized some in this chapter and he did not mention how baptism was no longer in effect anymore. So this must mean that Paul’s main thrust of being a minister for Jesus Christ is not baptism but it is preaching the gospel. Meaning, Paul is saying, I come not to just baptize alone or as the main thrust of my mission, but it is to preach the gospel. In other words, baptism does not mean anything if there is no preaching of the gospel that should come before it. This is the most logical deduction to conclude based on the context given to us in this chapter.​
#5. My Previous Position would quote Acts of the Apostles 18 that says, “Apollos… knowing only the baptism of John… when Aquila and Priscilla had heard, they took him unto them, and expounded unto him the way of God more perfectly.” In short, Aquila and Priscilla (who were taught by Paul) expounded the Word of God more perfectly unto Apollos because he only knew of John’s baptism of water. Apollos needed to learn of Spirit baptism (Which is the true New Covenant way of being baptized).​
My rebuttal (My New Position): Nothing in Acts 18 describes how water baptism in the name of Jesus has ended. John’s water baptism of repentance is what is in view of ending here. To put it to you another way, there is a distinction between John’s water baptism of repentance, vs. water baptism done in the name of Jesus. They are not the same thing. In John’s baptism a person would confess of their sins to God as they were being water baptized. This was called the baptism of repentance. But when a believer is water baptized under the New Covenant, they first are to believe the gospel as found in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 that basically says that we are to believe that Christ died for our sins, He was buried, and risen the third day for our salvation. Then one can be water baptized in the name of Jesus and receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. This is the new way and it was not the way of the Old Covenant with John’s water baptism of repentance. Yes, believers still need to repent, or seek forgiveness with the Lord Jesus, but we are to first believe the gospel before being water baptized and this was to be done in the name of Jesus (the name that represents all three persons of the Trinity or Godhead).​
#6. My Previous Position would use Acts 19 as proof. Acts of the Apostles 19 says, “And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples, He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost. And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism. Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus. When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied. And all the men were about twelve.” In other words, the believers at Ephesus only knew of John’s baptism of water, and they were not aware of the Holy Ghost. So Paul baptized them into the Holy Ghost by laying his hands on them. So they received the baptism of the Spirit.​
My rebuttal (My New Position): This was the passage that initially swayed me to believe that Spirit baptism replaced water baptism. But after re-examining this passage yet again more closely, I noticed that Paul says he baptized. If this was Spirit baptism, then Paul could not have baptized them. So what is going on here is that Paul needed correct these believer’s on John’s water baptism and have them experience the gift of the Holy Spirit. Notice, that Paul says to believe on Jesus in this passage. This is the new way. Believing on Jesus first, and then be water baptized in the name of Jesus. So when Paul is about to submerge these believers in water, the Spirit comes upon them. This shows the validity of what Paul was doing. If for some reason Paul was not acting in the will of God by water baptizing them, then how could the Spirit come upon them? Would not God explain it to them so they are acting in God’s will? At Pentecost, they believed the gospel message and they were to repent, be baptized, and receive the gift of the Spirit. Acts 2 is clearly talking about water baptism. There is no way around this one. The only excuse is to say that Peter made a mistake while baptizing them. But this was the birth of the church, and why would God have imperfection riddle such a birth? It makes no sense. God would want them to be within His will.​
#7. My Previous Position would use Mark 16:16 as proof. Mark 16:16 says: “He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”​
My Rebuttal (New Position): This again is not a contradiction with the continuation of water baptism in the name of Jesus. I see this verse as referring to either water baptism or Spirit baptism. Again, with either reading it does not say that water baptism has ended by any means. Spirit baptism compliments water baptism as we see in Acts 2 and with Cornelius and his family. Peter still water baptized Cornelius and his family after they were Spirit baptized. God did not say to Peter…. “No, do not do this, I have already baptized them.” This is what we need to see if Spirit baptism had replaced water baptism in any form.​
#8. My Previous Position would bring forth Hebrews 9:10. Hebrews 9:10 says, “Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.“ The word “washings“ is the Greek word “baptismos“ (βαπτισμός) (Check out here for the Strong’s definition). In other words, Hebrews 9:10 is saying that diverse baptisms (washings) were imposed on believers until the time of reformation. Meaning, water baptism will give way or pass away until the time of reformation (Which means that Spirit baptism is now the one and only true baptism for today).​
My Rebuttal (My New Position): I believe the time of reformation was the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ. The Old Covenant way had officially ended with Christ’s death upon the cross. So all of the old ritual washings of the Old Covenant system would end that was tied to the Laws of Moses and John’s water baptism of repentance. The New Covenant is not full of tons of different washings or water rituals. There is only one now and not many. This is how I would understand this. If not, then we would have multiple contradictions in Scripture and a hidden narrative that Peter and others were water baptizing by mistake and acting outside of God’s will without the Lord correcting them (When He cleary could have done so).​
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Is Existence Possible?

Hello everyone,

I just would like to share something about existence.

Suppose, there is a one inch object. We Traverse 0.5". That is the endpoint of the first half. The beginning of the next half cannot be next to 0.5", since there is no such a thing as a next point in space, unless space is not infinitely divisible. That means the endpoint of the first half and beginning of the second half has things in between. This would hold true about every part of the object, which would make it impossible for the object to have a part bigger than zero inches. Which would make it impossible to exist.

Pray for the peace of Jerusalem (Israel)

Psalm 122:6

Normally a prayer for the eternal salvation of the Jewish people. But also for their need and safety in life
especially in days like these.

Few can imagine the horror they are going through now...
or the threat of this horror they live with day by day.

Sha'alu shalom Yeushalayim, Abba. Hosha nah!

How Hamas duped Israel

"A careful campaign of deception ensured Israel was caught off guard when the Palestinian Islamist group Hamas launched its devastating attack, enabling a force using bulldozers, hang gliders and motorbikes to take on the Middle East's most powerful army."

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This best argument explaining the Earth’s Age

Source: CCC on TikTok

Dialogue:

Atheist: Earth is 6000 years old according to the bible. But science is proving its millions and billions of years old. And you still believe in God??

Christian: God created Adam on the 6th day, so if I say on the 7th day, Adam is 1 day old, technically it’s true right?

But according to Science he’s an adult.
How is he 1 day old and yet a full grown man?

Because God created him like that with an inbuilt age and the same with this whole universe.

Top Evangelical Leader: “We’ve Lost Our Credibility to the Outside World” | Amanpour and Company

Hi all,

This just popped up in my YouTube feed, and although I am not personally an Evangelical of the type that Mr. Moore is (I'd like to think all Christians are evangelical in the sense of being ready and willing to share the good news, but "Evangelical" here has a different, more denominationally-focused meaning), I think he has some interesting thoughts on the future and present circumstances of Evangelical Christianity in America, so I figured I'd share it here, in hopes of sparking reflection and discussion. I'd love to read what everyone who watches it has to say about the points raised in it by Mr. Moore.

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Church Baptism

Hi

Can I have some advice please. I have not been christened as a child nor have I been Baptised in the Church. Is this something I have to do or am I already Baptised through my confessions and repentance of Sin?

Its a confusing subject having read through variable sources, but would like to formalise my union with Jesus.

I have made the decision to be formally Baptised at my local church so I have started on that journey, but I’m interested in thoughts.

The last words of Jesus in Matthew 28:19 resonate


Thanks
David

I think one can die from heart-sorrow

Most people have heard that you can die of grief. But how? Yes, you breathe, and your heart beats, because you want to live. It's not like it's an automatic brain-function. That is why you can also control your breathing, because you do it because you want to live. So, say you lose someone you love then, and lose the will to live, then the heart would have stopped. I don't know if this has actually happened then, but since the heart beats, and you breathe, because you want to live, then that is the theory, possible. The soul is in the brain-stem, not the brain, so it is controlled from there. I think it is possible then, to just lose the will to live, completely. Have you been with someone for maybe 50 years, and that's all for the person, so why not?

I initially thought Trump would have prevented the Horrible attacks in Israel

I initially thought the horrible attacks in Israel would not have happened if Trump was president. But I cannot back that up at all I think I was brainwashed by Ben Shapiro and Dennis Prager.

The Abraham peace accords basically have nothing to do with Hamas as far as I can tell.
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Our God is Testing Us

Deuteronomy 13:1-5 ESV

“If a prophet or a dreamer of dreams arises among you and gives you a sign or a wonder, and the sign or wonder that he tells you comes to pass, and if he says, ‘Let us go after other gods,’ which you have not known, ‘and let us serve them,’ you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams. For the Lord your God is testing you, to know whether you love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul. You shall walk after the Lord your God and fear him and keep his commandments and obey his voice, and you shall serve him and hold fast to him. But that prophet or that dreamer of dreams shall be put to death, because he has taught rebellion against the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt and redeemed you out of the house of slavery, to make you leave the way in which the Lord your God commanded you to walk. So you shall purge the evil from your midst.”

Now this passage of Scripture is under the Old Covenant laws, so not everything written here is going to apply directly to our lives today. But there are some things taught here which are repeated for us in the New Testament under the New Covenant, and there are things taught here which we can learn from both in what to apply and in what not to apply and in how some of these teachings here are being twisted and misused today to discourage some followers of Christ from following the Lord in obedience.

Some people today who profess faith in Jesus Christ are discounting that God speaks to people via dreams at all, citing such passages as this one. But remember the words of Peter on the day of Pentecost when some of the crowd thought the believers in Jesus were drunk because they were filled with the Holy Spirit? He countered that notion by quoting from Joel 2:

“And in the last days it shall be, God declares,
that I will pour out my Spirit on all flesh,
and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy,
and your young men shall see visions,
and your old men shall dream dreams;
even on my male servants and female servants
in those days I will pour out my Spirit, and they shall prophesy.”

So, the sin is not in having dreams, and the sin is not in believing that God speaks sometimes through dreams to people, but the sin of the dreamers in this passage in Deuteronomy is that they were using their dreams to tell the people, “Let us go after other gods which you have not known and let us serve them.” For Joel’s prophecy and Peter’s words on the day of Pentecost solidify for us that God may indeed speak to some of us through dreams, but the dreams cannot be teaching rebellion against God and against his word.

And a dream doesn’t have to be something you dream about when you are sleeping, but it can be an ambition or a desire or a goal. For we have many false teachers within the gatherings of the church who are sharing with the body of Christ their visions, and their goals, and their ambitions and desires for their “churches,” which are usually, but not always, business goals and business plans and schemes and visions for numerically growing their “churches” (businesses) by marketing them to the world.

So the main thing we need to watch out for here is to pay attention to what pastors of church congregations or any Bible teachers are teaching the people. We should be testing their words against the teachings of the Scriptures, in context, to make certain that what they are teaching is the truth and not lies. For lies are spreading like wildfire within the gatherings of these modern market-driven and flesh-driven “churches” (businesses), because they are of the flesh of man and not of the Spirit of God.

So, we need to really watch out for the lies, especially since so many of them are so cleverly and stealthily being blended right in with the truth to where they are barely recognizable by the unsuspecting who are not testing what they hear to see if it is truth. Misimpressions, which are indirect lies, are one of the big ways in which the lies are being spread today, because they are a lot harder to prove than more direct lies. But many people are leading the church away from God to follow after humans, instead.

Now the Lord allows liars and lies to exist. He allows wolves in sheep’s clothing and charlatans to spread the lies. It is not his will that they do this, but God allows evil to exist. For what does it say here? God was testing his people to know whether they loved the Lord their God with all their heart, and with all their soul. So he allows us to be tested to see whether or not we are going to follow after the lies and the liars or if we are going to stay true to him and follow him and not fall to temptation to wander from him.

For we are to be the people of God who walk (in conduct, in practice) after the Lord our God and who fear him and who keep (obey) his commandments (New Covenant), and who obey his voice speaking to our hearts, and who will serve him and hold fast to him regardless of how we are treated by others, even by family members and friends and neighbors and by others who also profess faith in Jesus Christ. For if you are speaking the truth and exposing the lies, you will have many turn against you and desert you.

Now this was a law under the Old Covenant that they were to put to death those who were false prophets. But a false prophet is not someone who might get something wrong sometimes, or who might misunderstand something. The Lord’s disciples regularly got things wrong and misunderstood what Jesus was saying, and so he had to explain to them what he meant. And the Scriptures teach that we know in part and we prophesy in part, so we don’t know it all yet (1 Corinthians 13:9-10).

So how are false prophets and false teachers described biblically? They are people who willfully and deliberately bring in destructive heresies. And people follow their sensuality. And they exploit you with false words, because of their greed. And they count it pleasure to revel in the daytime, and they have eyes full of adultery, insatiable for sin, and they entice unsteady souls, and they have gone astray, and they are willfully leading the people of God to go after what they know is evil and wicked and against God.

[Matt 7:15-23; Matt 24:11-24; Lu 6:26; John 10:1-15; 2 Co 11:13-15; Php 3:2; 1 Tim 1:3-7; 1 Tim 6:3-10; 2 Peter 2:1-22; 1 John 4:1-6; Jude 1:3-23]

But the law under the Old Covenant that taught them that they had to put that person to death is not repeated for us under the New Covenant. We are taught that we are to run away from them and that we are to expose them and their false teachings, but it is God alone who puts such people to death. Vengeance is God’s, not ours. The church’s responsibility would be to remove such a person from the church and to expose him and his false teachings so that the people will not follow them.

And this is the teaching that we must follow. And included in this is that we need to be people of God who are studying the Scriptures, in context, and who are applying the teachings given to the church, the body of Christ, to our daily lives. And we need to be testing what we hear and read to make certain that what we are hearing and reading is the truth, and then we need to reject the lies and follow the truth and expose the fruitless deeds of darkness for what they are so others do not follow them.

Safe Am I

By Mildred Leightner Dillon

Safe Am I, Safe Am I,
In The Hollow Of His Hand.
Sheltered Over, Sheltered Over
With His Love Forever More.

No Ill Can Harm Me, No Foe Alarm Me;
For He Keeps Both Day And Night.
Safe Am I, Safe Am I
In The Hollow Of His Hand.

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'God the Son' is unbiblical

Nowhere in the Bible is Jesus called God the Son. ... Yet, this phrasing is used over and again... Such a central concept to the Trinitarian description of God has been kept out of the Bible scriptures. I don't think that is an accident.
Whether you are a Trinitarian or not... there must be something unacceptable to God about using that particular phrase.
There must be a subtle misunderstanding in using that phrase, or it would be in the Bible.

Why was the Jewish controlled media so against Trump?

I'm posting this in the conspiracy board even though the media is largely owned by biological Jews and that's a fact. It would probably end up here anyway, so I might as well post here. Biological Jews own the vast majority of legacy main stream media (MSM) in America. They dominate the narrative, so why were they so hostile towards a man, Trump, who was nothing but a friend and staunch ally to the Jewish people? Like, at least 90% of the coverage of Trump on MSM was negative.

I am offering $140 dollars Canadian reward to any man, woman or child who is capable of answering my question satisfactorily. The exchange rate works out to a little over $100 USD. I will snail-mail the winner the money (no e-transfer or paypal) and you will have to exchange it yourself.

QUESTION: Why is legacy MSM so biased and hostile towards Conservative/Republican leaning people (predominately White) when this demographic is most likely to be in support of the nation of Israel in terms of economy, military, right to exist, etc.? Why doesn't the leftist MSM attack Biden and company with the same furor as they hounded Trump? Why does MSM lean heavily left anyway? Due to the horrible massacre that happened just yesterday in Israel Oct 7/23, (some calling it the worst attack in 50 years) Biden pledges support for Israel, but this comes off as weak and half-hearted, especially when considering Biden's administration just unfroze a 6 billion dollar cash infusion to the #1 terror sponsor in the world, Iran. And don't tell me the #1 terror sponsor in the world is not going to find a way to appropriate those funds towards terror operations further. Where is the outcry from the Jewish owners of MSM? Do they not care about Israel? How could they possibly let this slide when Trump would have been neck deep in the trenches with retaliation. What about this current POTUS is superior to the former as far as Jewish interest is concerned? Another thing I don't understand is how biological Jews would call for violence towards, or try to instigate violence towards, White people when they themselves, in many cases, look White? That's such foolishness it's crazy. You would think the Jewish controlled MSM would be in alliance with the Israel supporting Conservatives of Western society.

Disclaimer: I'm new to this forum but I'll just say, do not waste my time trying to correct anything I've written. I believe what I believe and that's not going to change. So save us both some time and answer the question as it stands without trying to dictate terms and we will get along. I've been looking for a satisfactory answer to this for years and I will ignore you if you fail to meet my criteria. Thanks!

toxic christian parents

It's a delicate subject to talk about, I get along very well with my mother and we have a healthy relationship,but I know that many don't, in fact my grandmother was a religious fanatic and, with all due respect, abusive towards my mother and uncles, but my mother didn't lose her faith, which is good, right!
But when I hear an atheist talking about his religious fanatic parents, I feel a lot of sympathy for him. Because in fact most of the time he is right, you know parents who hit their children while they said Bible verses etc.
Of course, there are cases where parents really weren't bad people, they just put a few more rules in their homes.
But the case that struck me the most was one I read on reddit
In this case, the parents had good intentions, they spoke the truth, they were not bad people but they had serious defects
according to the son
the problems were political and religious fanaticism, not in terms of opinion, but in every meeting he had and has with his parents, they didn't stop talking about religion and politics
the second problem was the lack of space and psychological pressure
At 18 he became an atheist and started dating
His parents started putting some psychological pressure on him and his mother started crying saying things I know you're having sex, and they started begging him and his fiancée to go back to being Christians or they would go to hell, in every personal encounter. that they had,
the third problem is hypocrisy, when the son said he was going to live with his girlfriend, the father said that in the past if a woman lived with a man without getting married she was despised by society and rightly so, and the son discovered later that the parents lived together without getting married for 1 year,
I would like to hear opinions, on the one hand I understand the parents' desperation in knowing that their son could be condemned, but on the other hand I understand him wanting to move, I'm being modernist, I'm wrong in my thinking?

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Nephilim: Giants of the Bible

The term giant can be found in the Bible to describe people of an unusual size. Og, the king of Bashan was of the people of the Rephaim who were unusually tall. His bier was nine cubits (13.1 ft; 4 m) in length and four cubits (5.8 ft; 1.8 m) in width. (Deuteronomy 3:11) Other giants mentioned in the Bible were Goliath of Gath, who was about 9.5 ft (2.9 m) tall, Ishbi-benob, Saph (Sippai); and Goliath's brother Lahmi as well as a man with six fingers on each of his hands and six toes on each of his feet. (1 Samuel 17:4-7; 2 Samuel 21:16, 18, 20; 1 Chronicles 20:4, 5)

Genesis 6:4 - The Hebrew word nephilim is plural, from the causative form of the verb naphal, meaning to fall, as found at 2 Kings 3:19; 19:7. Nephilim, then, means Fellers, or those who cause others to fall down. It is also used in a false sense at Numbers 13:33 (see below).

Scholarly interpretation varies as follows:

Some scholars believe the meaning of the word from fall indicates that the Nephilim were the fallen angels themselves who mated with human women. The Nephilim being the fallen angels.

Others believe the term "and so after that" at Genesis 6:4 indicates that the Nephilim were not the fallen angels or the mighty ones since the Nephilim "proved to be in the earth in those days" before the sons of God had sexual relations with the women. Those who interpret it this way believe the Nephilim were simply wicked men who would have been destroyed in the flood.

Considering the context, the Nephilim were not the angels themselves but the hybrid offspring of the unnatural union of angels taking the form of man and mating with human women.

I am convinced of the latter interpretation based upon the fact that in physical form the angels who forsook their natural position to become men in order to have sex with human women had their physical forms perish in the flood but would have returned in spirit form to heaven. (1 Peter 3:19-20; 2 Peter 2:4; Jude 1:6)

Some translations will move the term “and after that” to the beginning of the verse. This identifies the Nephilim with the mighty ones. For example Some Bibles translate the Hebrew hannephilim as giants and heroes from the Hebrew haggibborim. (See NIV) In the Greek Septuagint the word gigantes (giants) is used to translate both of those expressions.

Numbers 13:33 is a really cool reference to use here. It can easily be somewhat misunderstood. No one can deny the Bible’s potential for being misunderstood, but often it is misunderstood in that it is expected to reveal the whole truth, and nothing but the truth when that isn’t always the case as such. In this verse ten of the twelve sent out to survey the situation returned fearful and faithless. With Jehovah God on their side they were nevertheless afraid of the men of extraordinary size who they would come up against. They referred to them as the “Nephilim” and as “giants.” Only in this occasion are the people of Canaan referred to as “Nephilim” and only then to strike fear into the hearts of the camp. The fearful returning spies only used the term for that reason. The Nephilim perished in the flood, so the Bible is truthful in revealing this distortion but the distortion itself shouldn’t be misconstrued as truth. The Nephilim of Numbers 13:33 may be misapplied as those mentioned above in Genesis 6:4 when they in fact are not the same.

After the confusion of languages at Babel the brief account of the Nephilim seems to have inspired more than a few pagan mythologies. The confusion, at least in a modern interpretation, might be due to the term giants being thought of as mythological in the sense of the Greek deity, the Titan.

Joshua 12:4; 18:16 - Is an interesting example of the distinction between the two types of Bibles available. Many people don’t realize that the Bible version differs from the Bible translation in that the version allows for a greater or lesser degree of creative license whereas the translation typically leans towards the literal translation. The King James Version tends to be a great deal more liberal than most versions. Most Bibles read this verse as being in reference to the area of Rephaim, which in other verses is associated with people of unusual tall stature. NIV, ESV, ASV.

1 Samuel 17:4-7 - Goliath's height was six cubits and a span, which in today’s terms would be about 9.5 ft [2.9 m]. His coat of mail weighed about 125 lbs. [57 kg] and the blade of his spear weighed about 15 lbs. [6.8 kg]. His mail alone likely weighed as much or more than David himself.

Deuteronomy 2:20-21; 3:11 - These verses are similar to the verses above in that the King James Version uses the term associated with the area of Rephaim with the “land of giants” which, while not inaccurate isn’t a very literal translation. These verses differ in that they elaborate on the reference to giants. Here they are described in fuller detail.

Deuteronomy 2:10-11 - This verse indicates to me, the fallacy of the King James Version’s liberal approach to translation. The NIV reads: "The Emites used to live there - a people strong and numerous, and as tall as the Anakites. Like the Anakites, they too were considered Rephaites, but the Moabites called them Emites." The KJV’s mention of Rephaites simply as “giants” gives us some insight into the unusually tall stature of the people in this area which the more literal translation doesn’t, but on the other hand there is something specific lost in translation; the specific mention of the Rephaites / Emites.

Rona McDaniel says the quiet part out loud, attack on Israel a great opportunity!

>> Republican National Committee Chair Ronna McDaniel appeared on Fox News on Saturday, telling the network about what Republicans need to do to contrast themselves with Democrats following Hamas attacking Israel.

“I think this is a great opportunity for our candidates to contrast where Republicans have stood with Israel, time and time again, and Joe Biden has been weak,” McDaniel said. “And when America is weak, the world is less safe. We’re seeing this not just with the war in Ukraine and with an emboldened China, but now with an attack on Israel.” <<
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Zelensky on Israel attack: ‘everyone who values life must stand in solidarity’




Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky condemned attacks on Israel by Hamas militants in a Saturday post on X, the platform formerly known as Twitter.

“Today, the entire world saw horrifying videos from Israel. Terrorists humiliate women and men, detain even the elderly, and show no mercy,” Zelensky’s post read. “In the face of such a terrorist strike, everyone who values life must stand in solidarity.”


...makes me wonder which perceptions and attitudes in the US will change now that the leader of Ukraine has asked the world to stand in solidarity with Israel.

Ukraine's staunchest allies have been on the left (those most skeptical of helping Ukraine are on the right).

However, now that he's voiced his support for Israel and saying that the world needs to stand in solidarity with them, will we potentially seem some of that flip-flop? (where pro-Israel conservatives will start liking Zelensky a little more, and more pro-Palestine "BDS" people on the left will being a little more stand-offish about helping him?)

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