Nazis Return to Charlottesville

[KCfromNC]

So let's say the government gains such power to determine what people can and cannot say.

They already do. See libel and slander laws, copyright laws, trademark protections, and so on. The question isn't whether the government can interfere. The question is when it is appropriate.

 

[super animator]

But not necessarily speech which incites followers to run over people with their cars.

Of course not, nor does it give you a excuse to beat the crap out of people who ideology you deemed morally abhorrent.

Still complaining about "leftists" rather than condemning Nazis, I see.

He has already, he being consistent here and not making excuses for antfia here like many other posters have.

 

[Redac]

Oh no...the government shouldn't censor them at all.

I'm not being sarcastic. Let them go back to Charlottesville with their little tiki torches and swastikas and Hitler t-shirts. I'm quite sure that many citizens in Charlottesville will take care of the problem themselves and bash the fash.

It should be made clear to these people, in no uncertain terms, that this country is not a safe space for white supremacy.
Ringo

They've been to Charlottesville three different times. When do you suppose the bashing is going to happen?

 

[Ringo84]

Oh Morel Orel was great! It was pretty subtle though. It managed to be pro-Christian, and be boycotted by Christians simultaneously because most people couldn't see it, but it was there. I don't think it was meant to be a comedy. I think Dino had an idea he wanted to put out there, and he mixed in comedy to keep people's attention while he did it. The last season was too heavy, but that was because they found out they were cancelled and had to rush in all the bad stuff that was important, and didn't have time to soften it with the fluffier episodes.

"Numb" was great. The song that played in that episode, "No Children" by The Mountain Goats, was amazing/depressing too. They have a few other great songs, but they're so indie, it's a lot of hit-and-miss.

I didn't pick Morel as my avatar because Morel Orel was my favorite show or anything like that. This place (Christian Forums) feel like Moralton so much sometimes. I feel like Orel: asking questions, and a crazy cast of characters has who-knows-what in store for me in the answers department.

Anyways, weird response to me tacitly endorsing violence in a thread about Nazis, but I always love to talk about little Orel! Oh, and check out Rick and Morty if you haven't yet, it's too smart for itself too!

This is actually a response to what you said to me about Nazi punchers going to jail and Morel Orel.

First, the Nazi punchers: I get where you're coming from, but if someone was trying to defend their city from these belligerent freaks coming in there shouting anti-Semitic catchphrases, I'm not sure I'd be that inclined to throw them in prison.

Talking it out isn't going to work. Engaging a Nazi, especially online, is like WarGames: "The only winning move is not to play". I highly doubt that asking them politely not to come back is going to play well either. Disallowing Nazis to protest based on public safety concerns might work, but I'm not sure a Jason Kessler or Richard Spencer is going to give much of a flip about the law. They're very good at twisting the law and using it against their opponents.

I'm not sure there's much left other than punching their lights out...making them fear going back to Charlottesville. We know it works, since Spencer and his cronies were too cowardly to hold a real rally last weekend. They showed up with their tiki torches, maybe chanted a few Jew-bashing things at the Lee monument, and then ran off with their tails between their legs before anyone could react.

Now to Morel Orel: I don't watch Adult Swim that often, but I happened to catch this show when it came on and was almost instantly drawn to its satire of conservative Christianity. I haven't watched in quite a while, but I remember that it was funny but also insightful. Seeing your posts is making me want to find a streamable version of the first season so that I can rewatch. I kinda miss this show.
Ringo

 

[Ringo84]

I love Rick and Morty, my wife and I have been watching it since the first episode. It also carries that sense of tragedy along with it's humor. I'd be surprised if Moral Orel wasn't intended as a comedy...it's very funny, but like I said it's not too subtle on its critique of religion and I think that put a lot of people off.

Drinky Crow on the other hand was all about laughing at the absurd horror of life. It was far too dark...darker even than MO...for most people I think. A suicidal alcoholic crow isn't exactly a wonderful choice for humor...and more times than not, I think it's themes hit a little too close for home. My wife almost cannot watch it.

I'm sure it's a fantastic show. Ever since the ridiculous McDonald's szechuan sauce thing, though, I've been pretty turned off from ever wanting to give it a try. I know it's not totally fair, but some Rick and Morty fans have become as obnoxious as bronies.
Ringo

 

[Moral Orel]

Talking it out isn't going to work. Engaging a Nazi, especially online, is like WarGames: "The only winning move is not to play". I highly doubt that asking them politely not to come back is going to play well either. Disallowing Nazis to protest based on public safety concerns might work, but I'm not sure a Jason Kessler or Richard Spencer is going to give much of a flip about the law. They're very good at twisting the law and using it against their opponents.

I advocate, calmly and cooly, mocking, ridiculing, and belittling them. See my post about the man behind the sousaphone, or my reference to the "Harley Riders" episode of South Park. It worked when the old Superman radio show mocked KKK members for acting like little boys in a tree fort, I say it can still work now. Violence certainly doesn't work. It just makes people talk about the violence.

 

[Rion]

Still complaining about "leftists" rather than condemning Nazis, I see.

I've done both, because groups like Neo-Nazis and Antifa have a symbiotic relationship and you can't kill one and ignore the other.

 

[SummerMadness]

Equating neo-Nazis and anti-Fascists is simply false equivalence. When one group pushes for racial purity and glorifies genocide, they are not equivalent to those fighting them. We can talk about violence being wrong (a funny statement for those that support expanding the military and attacking other countries), but that still does not make them equivalent.

 

[Rion]

Equating neo-Nazis and anti-Fascists is simply false equivalence. When one group pushes for racial purity and glorifies genocide, they are not equivalent to those fighting them.

Antifa fights for ideological purity and assaults people for being 'Nazis' when they're simply not left-wing enough for them.

We can talk about violence being wrong (a funny statement for those that support expanding the military and attacking other countries), but that still does not make them equivalent.

...Super, Ana, nor myself support that AFAIK, so... okay?`

 

[KCfromNC]

I've done both, because groups like Neo-Nazis and Antifa have a symbiotic relationship and you can't kill one and ignore the other.

Hence all the posts bashing Antifa compared to the occasional implication that you've mentioned something about Nazis in the past. Seems a bit of a disproportionate response to me.

 

[SummerMadness]

Antifa fights for ideological purity and assaults people for being 'Nazis' when they're simply not left-wing enough for them.

You're simply trying to stretch words to claim both are equivalent. Even if we wanted to take your claim at face value, wanting ideological purity is not equivalent to wanting racial purity. You can change ideology, you can't change race. Once a person is born, they are a target to the racial purist, you can't say that about ideology. That's simply a poor attempt to equate the groups.

...Super, Ana, nor myself support that AFAIK, so... okay?`

I was talking about people that often invoke MLK and then talk about expanding the military, when did I ever refer to or any other user?

 

[Rion]

Hence all the posts bashing Antifa compared to the occasional implication that you've mentioned something about Nazis in the past. Seems a bit of a disproportionate response to me.

Because I don't see people constantly trying to defend Nazis around here.

 

[Rion]

You're simply trying to stretch words to claim both are equivalent. Even if we wanted to take your claim at face value, wanting ideological purity is not equivalent to wanting racial purity. You can change ideology, you can't change race. Once a person is born, they are a target to the racial purist, you can't say that about ideology. That's simply a poor attempt to equate the groups.

No, I'm trying to stay ideologically consistent. Wanting to murder people because they look different than you is bad. Wanting to murder people because they think differently than you is bad. Murdering people for being different is bad. What part of this do you have a problem with?

I was talking about people that often invoke MLK and then talk about expanding the military, when did I ever refer to or any other user?

When you put it in the same paragraph complaining about people who compare Antifa to Neo-Nazis?

 

[super animator]

Hence all the posts bashing Antifa compared to the occasional implication that you've mentioned something about Nazis in the past. Seems a bit of a disproportionate response to me.

Whataboutism

 

[Ana the Ist]

Hence all the posts bashing Antifa compared to the occasional implication that you've mentioned something about Nazis in the past. Seems a bit of a disproportionate response to me.

I'm pretty sure Rion doesn't support nazis...why is it so important for you that he "condemns" them?

 

[KCfromNC]

I'm pretty sure Rion doesn't support nazis...why is it so important for you that he "condemns" them?

I'm just interested in how someone gets to the point where they're more so in distracting thread after thread by bashing people who are opposing Nazis. I just don't understand how someone would think that's the most important thing to bring up in those discussions.

 

[KCfromNC]

Whataboutism

Sure, Nazis have killed people opposing them during recent protests, but liberals dress in black. Why isn't anyone talking about that major problem!!!!!1!

 

[SummerMadness]

No, I'm trying to stay ideologically consistent. Wanting to murder people because they look different than you is bad. Wanting to murder people because they think differently than you is bad. Murdering people for being different is bad. What part of this do you have a problem with?

You're not being consistent, you're trying to stretch things to make everything equivalent and failing at it. If you can point me to the multiple news stories of antifa members murdering people, you might have a point. Can you provide evidence of antifa people murdering people for not having the same ideology? Can you provide evidence of neo-Nazis and white supremacists murdering people for not having the same skin color? And let's not get into quibbles about the length of time these groups existed because neo-Nazis and white supremacists were murdering people at the outset.

I'm just interested in how someone gets to the point where they're more so in distracting thread after thread by bashing people who are opposing Nazis. I just don't understand how someone would think that's the most important thing to bring up in those discussions.

They're practiced in any discussion about the current president, they simply try to distract and make the discussion about Clinton or Obama.

 

[super animator]

I'm just interested in how someone gets to the point where they're more so in distracting thread after thread by bashing people who are opposing Nazis. I just don't understand how someone would think that's the most important thing to bring up in those discussions.

You are desirability being misleading here. If you pay attention to what is saying here, you should know that it isn't the case.

 

[Rion]

I'm pretty sure Rion doesn't support nazis...why is it so important for you that he "condemns" them?

Oh, I'm sure it's not.

You're not being consistent, you're trying to stretch things to make everything equivalent and failing at it. If you can point me to the multiple news stories of antifa members murdering people, you might have a point. Can you provide evidence of antifa people murdering people for not having the same ideology? Can you provide evidence of neo-Nazis and white supremacists murdering people for not having the same skin color? And let's not get into quibbles about the length of time these groups existed because neo-Nazis and white supremacists were murdering people at the outset.

Er... Antifa's been around since before WWII. They're the guys who got so violent and terrifying that the Germans were like "Well, the Nazis don't sound as bad as the Communists and their Antifa goons."