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Halloween and "cultural appropriation".

Discussion in 'Ethics & Morality' started by Aldebaran, Oct 26, 2020.

  1. RDKirk

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    In terms of pigmentation, technically white people are clear.

    People who live in high crime neighborhoods get this type of treatment over people living in low crime neighborhoods. That’s more of a neighborhood thing, not all black people live in high crime neighborhoods.

    In an ironic manner, that's not true. Something I've come to realize is that if you ask a good proportion of white people to picture an "African-American," the picture conjured in their minds is not the black guy down the street who keeps a neat yard and drives a Dodge Caravan. The pictured conjured is someone who lives in south Chicago wearing chains with gold teeth.
     
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  2. RDKirk

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    In the first months, the fact that covid-19 frequently presents itself in different ways in many blacks (because of different proportions of various co-morbidities) hid a lot of the initial infections among blacks. In cases where covid-19 did not present itself according to the then-understood symptoms, it was under-reported among blacks in the early period.
     
  3. RDKirk

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    I'd say "most people" probably aren't. Most Americans, maybe.
     
  4. RDKirk

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    Having no "scientific basis" does not make it nothing. There is no scientific basis for being liberal or conservative, fascist or communist, Christian or Hindu. But that does not make them suddenly nothing.
     
  5. RDKirk

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    Yes, they do. And even more so in most places. It's just a problem of vastly smaller numbers.
     
  6. RDKirk

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    If you didn't grow up in Japan, the Japanese will never consider you Japanese. I know Americans of Japanese descent who went to Japan and were not considered Japanese. I even know a girl who was born and spent her early childhood in Japan, came to the US for high school and college, and spent years getting the Japanese to accept her return.
     
  7. RDKirk

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    I'm pointing out why she identifies as she does at her age, and why it is logical for her to do so. If there was some way for a person (particularly a politician) to navigate the current American social waters by being culturally "nothing," you'd have a point.

    But there isn't. At this moment--and we are in this moment--race and culture are real things in America because they have real social impact on how people behave. Kamala Harris has to be something, and she has to be what most people will accept. She had figured that out by the time she entered college, which is why she joined a traditionally black sorority.
     
  8. muichimotsu

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    I haven't seen or read Ai Yori Aoshi, but I checked and we have an interesting example with Tina Foster, American born and probably not even half Japanese, but was raised in Japan most of her life, so she would be considered involved in the culture. The problem is how Japanese culture is very homogeneous, so even is she's exceptionally fluent in Japanese, the fact that she is racially white makes her feel alienated.
     
  9. muichimotsu

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    Obviously, culture doesn't exist in a vacuum, people suggesting that are not even acknowledging reality.

    The inverse is a potential problem I think some people try to bring up in the idea of identity politics as they perceive it: someone trying to fit into all the groups to appeal to everyone.
     
  10. muichimotsu

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    I feel like that's a whole study that may not be easy to do anyway given the nature of infections not always being symptomatic, but even those of a similar group not being symptomatic the same way. It's a broad consideration that, especially with the U.S.'s needlessly bureaucratic profit based healthcare system, I wouldn't be shocked if even white people sometimes would refuse to go based on an insistence that it isn't as serious or not wanting to go into debt
     
  11. Albion

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    Yes, but doing that will bring threats, accusations, and denunciations from other people. So that is what "cultural appropriation" -- a completely phony concept from the start -- actually means in practice.

    Sure, many people probably do take a more sensible view of the matter in the way that you are explaining, but "cultural appropriation" is what the militants have wanted to make it be.
     
  12. RDKirk

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    Cultural appropriation is not "...a completely phony concept from the start." That assertion is phony.

    In the same way, just because "micro-aggression" is silly doesn't mean that racism is a completely phony concept from the start.
     
  13. Albion

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    Yeh, it is.

    Sorry you won't agree.

    And the proof of that is that the accusation is Never, Ever, applied consistently. It is a made-up concept that serves the purposes of a certain political faction and that's all it is, just like so many others we could name.
     
  14. RDKirk

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    So what do you think of the concept of plagiarism?
     
  15. Ken-1122

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    Is that what they told you?
     
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    You don't need the cooperation, nor the approval of anyone else in order to adopt another culture; nobody has the authority to stop you from doing this.
     
  17. RDKirk

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    Yes. And they were surprised to realize it.
     
  18. RDKirk

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    It's futile, though...and very lonely...if society refuses to recognize it.

    There would be no point to a black guy pretending to be Japanese in Japan.
     
  19. Ken-1122

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    What year was that experiment done?
     
  20. RDKirk

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    I'm surprised an educated black person does not know about these thests.

    These have been done periodically since the 50s. Some of the latest I know of were done in the late 2000s. The results have always been the same.

    Here is another:

     
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