Halloween and "cultural appropriation".

[coffee4u]

No I don't

Might want to check how you word things because that's how it sounded.

It's not about being "hung up" on those things, but just a matter of recognizing there are differences and giving a name to those differences.

The differences are ethnic groups and cultures. Word choice only becomes important when it impacts negatively; and race, especially in the US (I assume you are American) is obviously a big deal. Most places don't focus nearly so much on race as the US. When the word race was invented it was because at the time it was thought that there were huge differences between the 'races'. But we know better now that those things are superficial and it seems to only divide.
Many words have now been dropped-some because of completely ridiculous reasons but others were warranted and I think it's time the word race was dropped.

 

[muichimotsu]

The differences are ethnic groups and cultures. Word choice only becomes important when it impacts negatively; and race, especially in the US (I assume you are American) is obviously a big deal. Most places don't focus nearly so much on race as the US. When the word race was invented it was because at the time it was thought that there were huge differences between the 'races'. But we know better now that those things are superficial and it seems to only divide.
Many words have now been dropped-some because of completely ridiculous reasons but others were warranted and I think it's time the word race was dropped

That's awfully convenient for a white person to say, unless you aren't, in which case it's even worse because it treats race as if it's an afterthought, which is anything but what it is. We are still superficial people in some sense, we don't just not judge people in some sense by appearances, even if it's stuff like the physical traits associated with particular racial groups.

The fact that you don't want to have a complex discussion on the interplay of race, etc, in terms of lived experience in society, is indicative that you're too privileged to realize those struggles or you want to suggest those struggles are the fault of the people rather than institutions that aren't being equitable in their treatment

The differences being superficial does not mean they are necessarily unimportant as regards how people treat others based on them. And I'm not talking explicit racism, there's a wide swath to consider, especially from white people where they tend to be the majority group and thus are given some measure of favored treatment or bias towards them.

We have studies in America going back to when schools were being integrated, particularly the one by Dr. Kenneth and Mamie Clark, the doll test, showing that black kids were negatively affected by segregation and those societal ideas that were passed on for generations even after the end of slavery

 

[Strathos]

Evidence? And isn't that literally an argument from popularity? A majority of people not believing something that is borne out in evidence does not make it untrue and the inverse also applies: people believing something that has no good evidence for it in large numbers does not make it true

My point was that even if 'race' does not exist genetically, it still exists culturally.

 

[muichimotsu]

My point was that even if 'race' does not exist genetically, it still exists culturally.

I don't think I ever disagreed on that, though it's more societally than culturally, which links to ethnicity as a term

 

[Ken-1122]

Intentional is the operative word I question, because you're suggesting this was purely based on prejudice that is explicit rather than biases that could still inform someone's ideas about someone of a different race even if they don't hold ill will towards them

So just to be clear; you are saying you don’t believe the Jim Crow laws of the South were intentional discrimination. Is that correct?

But personal experience is not the be all and end all,

I never said it was any of that. I gave lots of examples and reasons of why I believe the way I do, that personal experience was only one example, it was never a “be all and end all” as you call it.

I never claimed that direct experience, the problem is the disproportionate representation, even if it may very well be improving in some sense. But you're still going by anecdotal experience and not even trying to substantiate with statistics,

Umm….. If I recall correctly, it was YOU who claimed white people are the focus of everything not me; remember? I was the one who remained skeptical. So it is you who needs to substantiate with statistics, not me.

So evidence is just optional even though you're the one making specific claims?

Really? So just to be clear; I made the claim that not all white people can afford to live in the Urban area of their choosing either, and you want me to provide proof of this? Really? What kind of proof do you want?

They can recommend one go to another bank, it doesn't have to be an outright rejection, but the idea that they're not a fit for that particular bank, especially if their credit isn't that good.

I never claimed anything like that, you're literally putting words in my mouth I didn't even allude to. The rates are likely not based on such reductive standards, methinks you're speaking as if you're an expert on that when I'm skeptical you are at all. Not that I am, but I'm honest in not making such grandiose claims

You suggested when I get a mortgagee, I might not be getting a good rate. For me getting a mortgage is like buying a used car. You go to a used car lot and see the price on the windshield at $10,000, do you pay that price? NO! You kick the tires, test drive it then offer the guy $8,000, then he talks to his manager and comes back with an offer of $9,000 and you go back and forth until you settle on a price; nobody pays the windshield price.

When I go to get a mortgage, they pull my credit score and give me their best rate. I have them print up the details of that rate and take that write up and credit score to the bank across the street and ask if they could beat that rate. If they can, I have them print up the details and take that write up to all the other banks in town including the first bank I went to just in case they can do better. After talking to a dozen or so loan officers, I am confident I’ve gotten the best rate my score would regardless of race, because every loan officer in town is not going to be in on the conspiracy to turn down money in order to give the black man a poor rate

The fact that a culture is not the same as the cultural practices that can be done by a respectful cultural exchange. You can't just affirm Asian culture as if you have Asian ethnicity, neither can I,

What is “Asian Culture”? Asia is a Continent, not a country. A guy from Saudi Arabia, China, and Russia are all Asian (due to being from the Continent of Asia), but they will each have different cultures. Let’s say I renounce my American citizenship, move/migrate to Russia, become a Russian citizen, marry a Russian wife, raise Russian children, adopt all the Russian customs, and become a part of my wife’s Russian family. What is stopping me from adopting this Russian (Asian as you call it) culture? Please be specific.

 

[Ken-1122]

Might want to check how you word things because that's how it sounded.

I basically said race is to humans what breed is to animals.

The differences are ethnic groups and cultures. Word choice only becomes important when it impacts negatively; and race, especially in the US (I assume you are American) is obviously a big deal. Most places don't focus nearly so much on race as the US. When the word race was invented it was because at the time it was thought that there were huge differences between the 'races'. But we know better now that those things are superficial and it seems to only divide.
Many words have now been dropped-some because of completely ridiculous reasons but others were warranted and I think it's time the word race was dropped.

Words have meanings and they describe things that are real. To get rid of a word will not cause the thing the word describes to just magically go away. So in order to get rid of a word, it has to be replaced by something else. What do you suggest we replace this word with?

 

[Aldebaran]

Some may not have the opportunity in the first place, a problem that can apply to other people of other races, but disproportionately affects balck people

Do you not see the sheer privilege dripping from your words, as if everyone has the same opportunities you did? This is BASIC empathy that you are lacking by treating black people like a joke and generalizing them so much it's baffling you haven't just thrown out the n word at this point

Uncle Toms are not successful blacks, they're blacks who continue to act like white people are always in the right, you're outright making up a definition without substantiating that usage.




Do you even...understand grammar? When black people are not given the same opportunities, under white people majority rule in government, that will tend towards crime as an attempt to maintain some measure of livelihood. Again, the privilege is astonishing, especially in how you act like they are somehow the exception or that they're "not trying hard enough" as if that always leads to success (hint, it doesn't)

As I informed you before--they go to the same schools as white people do. They have the same opportunity to become educated. The difference is in what they do with that opportunity.

 

[Aldebaran]

You view different races of people as 'breeds' do you?

If people are so hung up on differing amounts of melanin or nose shape then maybe they should seek therapy.

As a Christian I believe God made Adam and Eve in the image of God and that we are all related.

The problem is that some people believe black people need extra help from government to take from others, and that they are privileged to take from others themselves as a form of social justice. They also seem to believe blacks aren't as intelligent and can't be educated the same way, as evidenced by the fact that they see them as not having the same education even though they attend the exact same schools and classes as white people.

 

[muichimotsu]

So just to be clear; you are saying you don’t believe the Jim Crow laws of the South were intentional discrimination. Is that correct?

You don't seem to have any nuance about racism in the first place: it could be intentional, but there is ALSO the underlying systemic bias towards white people that encouraged it for almost a century

I never said it was any of that. I gave lots of examples and reasons of why I believe the way I do, that personal experience was only one example, it was never a “be all and end all” as you call it.

But you're still going based on postdiction, interpreting the data to fit your preconceptions instead of considering that you might be wrong

Umm….. If I recall correctly, it was YOU who claimed white people are the focus of everything not me; remember? I was the one who remained skeptical. So it is you who needs to substantiate with statistics, not me.

Just a quick look suggests that while there are more available roles, black and Hispanic people say that the roles are fitting into stereotypes, which only reflects that underlying problem where they aren't given a fair shake except as white people "permit" it with their privileged status as already established

Really? So just to be clear; I made the claim that not all white people can afford to live in the Urban area of their choosing either, and you want me to provide proof of this? Really? What kind of proof do you want?

The problem is manifold, I don't think I denied that was a possibility, but that the issues that result in this, from what I understand, disproportionately affect black people more than white people across the country (rather than taking isolated statistics that might suggest the inverse)

You suggested when I get a mortgagee, I might not be getting a good rate. For me getting a mortgage is like buying a used car. You go to a used car lot and see the price on the windshield at $10,000, do you pay that price? NO! You kick the tires, test drive it then offer the guy $8,000, then he talks to his manager and comes back with an offer of $9,000 and you go back and forth until you settle on a price; nobody pays the windshield price.

When I go to get a mortgage, they pull my credit score and give me their best rate. I have them print up the details of that rate and take that write up and credit score to the bank across the street and ask if they could beat that rate. If they can, I have them print up the details and take that write up to all the other banks in town including the first bank I went to just in case they can do better. After talking to a dozen or so loan officers, I am confident I’ve gotten the best rate my score would regardless of race, because every loan officer in town is not going to be in on the conspiracy to turn down money in order to give the black man a poor rate

And that competition would be ideal if that was the ONLY factor in terms of the competition relative to rates. Are you trying to say there is NO bias at all that could exist in what are likely white people in those positions to make that decision in regards to your skin color? It's one thing to say that in your experience there isn't that, but it isn't necessarily a universal, which is what you seem to be implying, as if there's no societal bias against black people in various institutions because you personally haven't seen enough to qualify, as if there's some minimum level that makes it racist on a systemic level

What is “Asian Culture”? Asia is a Continent, not a country. A guy from Saudi Arabia, China, and Russia are all Asian (due to being from the Continent of Asia), but they will each have different cultures. Let’s say I renounce my American citizenship, move/migrate to Russia, become a Russian citizen, marry a Russian wife, raise Russian children, adopt all the Russian customs, and become a part of my wife’s Russian family. What is stopping me from adopting this Russian (Asian as you call it) culture? Please be specific.

Southeast Asian is what is implied, especially if we're talking ethnicity versus race, the latter excluding Russians and such, because they fit into a different racial category, far as I'm aware

You adopting that culture isn't necessarily what was done: I'm pretty sure it'd be considered assimilation or acculturation: adopting a culture suggests it's something that's like taking on or off a piece of clothing, like it's a commodity rather than something lived

 

[muichimotsu]

The problem is that some people believe black people need extra help from government to take from others, and that they are privileged to take from others themselves as a form of social justice. They also seem to believe blacks aren't as intelligent and can't be educated the same way, as evidenced by the fact that they see them as not having the same education even though they attend the exact same schools and classes as white people.

If there is a disadvantage enabled by societal biases, then the goal should be addressing that. A particular solution is assistance, but that wouldn't be necessary if an institutional issue of racial bias towards black people was solved or at least had attempts to be solved

You're talking about reparations, which are not universally agreed as to what it entails from a government standpoint

Now you're shifting into claims that can be constituted as biological racism, as if blacks are naturally less intelligent, which is as absurd as the "extra leg muscle" claim I recall hearing on occasion

Education is not as cut and dry as you'd like to think: there may be difficulties from black people not having the same income for their family or availability of the parents to help with schoolwork. And regardless of race, treating all kids as if they all learn the same way is a problem I think educators who have background in this will agree needs to be addressed

 

[muichimotsu]

As I informed you before--they go to the same schools as white people do. They have the same opportunity to become educated. The difference is in what they do with that opportunity.

And that's still not all there is, opportunity is not in a vacuum like you think, our behaviors are not without biases, especially with cultural conditioning that arguably exists.

White people thinking there's no problem is explained in part by the fact that for most of this country's history they were regarded as the norm, the hegemonical majority that guided culture and black people, Hispanic people, etc, were those that should be "grateful" to white people for "civilizing" them or other such nonsense

 

[Ken-1122]

You don't seem to have any nuance about racism in the first place: it could be intentional, but there is ALSO the underlying systemic bias towards white people that encouraged it for almost a century

No; Jim Crow laws (like Apartheid) was intentional discriminatory towards Black people and it’s bias towards whites was blatant.

But you're still going based on postdiction, interpreting the data to fit your preconceptions instead of considering that you might be wrong

If you disagree with my interpretation of the data, perhaps you can give a different interpretation.

Just a quick look suggests that while there are more available roles, black and Hispanic people say that the roles are fitting into stereotypes, which only reflects that underlying problem where they aren't given a fair shake except as white people "permit" it with their privileged status as already established

Do you have an outside source to back up this “quick look” that you speak of? Or is this another empty claim.

The problem is manifold, I don't think I denied that was a possibility,

If you agree it is possible, then you agree with what I said. My point stands.

And that competition would be ideal if that was the ONLY factor in terms of the competition relative to rates. Are you trying to say there is NO bias at all that could exist in what are likely white people in those positions to make that decision in regards to your skin color?

There could be bias. Let’s say out of perhaps 12 loan officers I deal with, 3 have this bias you speak of to the point that they would rather watch me leave than make money. I would never know about their bias due to the other 9 who were perfectly willing to take my money, so I would assume those who were bias against me were not able to give me as good of a rate as those who were not bias.

Southeast Asian is what is implied, especially if we're talking ethnicity versus race, the latter excluding Russians and such, because they fit into a different racial category, far as I'm aware

Then you should have said Southeast Asian, or far East Asian, or Middle East Asian, or whatever part of Asia you were referring to.

You adopting that culture isn't necessarily what was done: I'm pretty sure it'd be considered assimilation or acculturation: adopting a culture suggests it's something that's like taking on or off a piece of clothing, like it's a commodity rather than something lived

Assimilating a Culture, Acculturation a Culture, Adopting a Culture, it’s all the same thing! Its all about integrating into another culture, which is the point I was making. Admit it; you’re forced to agree with me again (LOL)

 

[muichimotsu]

No; Jim Crow laws (like Apartheid) was intentional discriminatory towards Black people and it’s bias towards whites was blatant.

So you're really just agreeing with me, except that you think there wasn't systemic racism even though you admit it was biased towards the benefit of whites, which is systemic racism

If you disagree with my interpretation of the data, perhaps you can give a different interpretation.

Pretty sure I brought into question the sound methodology to begin with, your limited sample size and superfluous questions about gender when making the control about race would've sufficed. Maybe there's already a study similar to your "study" that exists and that could be utilized to show some point?

Do you have an outside source to back up this “quick look” that you speak of? Or is this another empty claim.

In 2019, minorities say there are more entertainment roles available to the underrepresented | YouGov

Hollywood Has A Major Diversity Problem, USC Study Finds

2nd study is a bit dated, but still relevant, only about 4 years old

If you agree it is possible, then you agree with what I said. My point stands.

No, I don't agree with your dismissive attitude towards a manifold problem, which is not just potentially what we could agree on, class based shrinking middle class discrimination, but also systemic racism that enables the former.

There could be bias. Let’s say out of perhaps 12 loan officers I deal with, 3 have this bias you speak of to the point that they would rather watch me leave than make money. I would never know about their bias due to the other 9 who were perfectly willing to take my money, so I would assume those who were bias against me were not able to give me as good of a rate as those who were not bias.

They may not think you have enough money, we don't automatically know why, people's biases against people of color as white people are not going to be one size fits all, I never said that.

Then you should have said Southeast Asian, or far East Asian, or Middle East Asian, or whatever part of Asia you were referring to.

So I misspoke, we can move on from this pedantic fixation that is splitting hairs versus the common association of Asian as not the continent but a region with more population

Assimilating a Culture, Acculturation a Culture, Adopting a Culture, it’s all the same thing! Its all about integrating into another culture, which is the point I was making. Admit it; you’re forced to agree with me again (LOL)

Sociologists thoroughly disagree, you're engaging in hasty generalization to try and fit your preconceptions that are overly biased towards the idea that we can just change such things like we change a brand of toilet paper.

A culture that you appropriate is not the culture you were born into, because it's not the one you were raised in. And acculturation is a distinct phenomenon because it applies to immigrants from other cultures. If you had any intellectual honesty, you wouldn't try to dismiss and equivocate terms that with even a cursory internet search, would show the distinctions made, and instead would consider that sociology is far more complicated than you apparently want to reduce it to.

Taking a culture's dress and using it as someone in a dominant culture is not the same as doing so through cultural exchange or even acculturation. I can't be certain if Japanese people would approve of me wearing more traditional Japanese garb if I immigrated there, it's a different culture that's more homogeneous in nature, so the idea of integration you talk about is not always cut and dry

 

[coffee4u]

I basically said race is to humans what breed is to animals.

Words have meanings and they describe things that are real. To get rid of a word will not cause the thing the word describes to just magically go away. So in order to get rid of a word, it has to be replaced by something else. What do you suggest we replace this word with?

I gave examples above. Ethnic group, cultural group, people group. The actual name of the persons country-eg Polish, Korean etc.

White is not a race or a skin colour anyway, nobody has white skin except perhaps someone with albinism. I've met plenty of pale people and most of those were European but many were Asian. (we have a much larger Asian population here in Australia than African) The same way darker skin does not always make someone 'black', we have plenty of dark skinned Asians here as well.

 

[coffee4u]

The problem is that some people believe black people need extra help from government to take from others, and that they are privileged to take from others themselves as a form of social justice. They also seem to believe blacks aren't as intelligent and can't be educated the same way, as evidenced by the fact that they see them as not having the same education even though they attend the exact same schools and classes as white people.

I think what that is, is an American problem, not a 'black' problem. The issue was created by the slave trade, the slaves just happened to be 'black'. Your country was founded on slave labour and I don't think America really acknowledges that or what is caused. Generational trauma is a known thing, simply saying you are free and here is a school does not magically fix this nor does it fix the general mindset of the dominant people group-in the case of the US this is European or 'white.'
The world is not just the US, we don't all look through your US lense.

 

[muichimotsu]

I gave examples above. Ethnic group, cultural group, people group. The actual name of the persons country-eg Polish, Korean etc.

White is not a race or a skin colour anyway, nobody has white skin except perhaps someone with albinism. I've met plenty of pale people and most of those were European but many were Asian. (we have a much larger Asian population here in Australia than African) The same way darker skin does not always make someone 'black', we have plenty of dark skinned Asians here as well.

My goodness, you're still not even getting the basics of what race entails, throwing it out entirely without even trying to consider its validity as a descriptor ALONGSIDE ethnicity, nationality, etc. Pretty sure you just made up synonyms after ethnic group, which is really just ethnicity under a different name

White is a race in that it falls under that category of which we use to describe people with lighter skin tone, but you also have Hispanic (which is an ethnicity) people that identify as white in part because of the racial category being tricky (which doesn't make it useless by any means, only that we need to think of it based on socially constructed categories rather than something anthropological or such)

White and black are not used as literally as you claim they are, that's practically common sense, to try and strawman so you can deny race and enforce some idea of color blindness ignores that it still colors people's perspectives, including yours, as much as you may want to claim you don't see it

Asian is considered a separate racial group, we have roughly 5, just to explain: White or Caucasian <the latter not used as much because of unpleasant historical baggage it has> (which technically covers Middle Eastern people, it doesn't preclude them having Arabic ethnicity or such), Black/African America, Asian, American Indian/Alaska Native, Pacific Islander/Native Hawaiian.

And race is not always agreed upon even by anthropologists and sociologists, it doesn't mean it isn't a useful term in the same vein as how taxonomical terms for animals can be confusing, even with modern developments further segmenting into subspecies, etc.

The reason they're called identities is partly because of how we identify with them. You can be a black person and not be black, I'm pretty sure the black community tends to agree that it's about physical appearance and not strictly skin color and white people vary in that intensity as well. And this isn't even getting into the idea that one can affirm multiple racial identities, provided you have that basis in your ancestry, though it can become tricky, given how some races, especially in America, have a lived experience that a white person cannot just affirm versus acknowledging part of their genetic history or such that we might find

So often the problem seems to boil down to, unfortunately, white people that either don't care about their own ancestry or, more commonly, think that identity is so fluid in terms of race that it means nothing when that's not really how it tends to be utilized, especially by scholars who study it extensively as a social construct

Ask black people about this, ask Asian people, ask any racial or ethnic group I don't think you're going to get an easy answer, especially from even a glance at an article that explains the distinction of race and ethnicity in this sense: race is traits you are born with, ethnicity is those that you are raised in and can be as diverse as one's racial identity.

If you, for instance, have a mother that is Indian and a father that is black, like the very likely VP Kamala Harris, and also you have potentially not just her biracial identity, but also specific Indian cultures or black traditions, such as her father's Jamaican roots and her mother's specific background from Chennai India (which I don't believe I know much about, though there is an episode of Postcards From Buster which looks at it that I vaguely recall watching, along with several others that really opened my perspective on various religious and ethnic groups, like the Kurds)

 

[muichimotsu]

I think what that is, is an American problem, not a 'black' problem. The issue was created by the slave trade, the slaves just happened to be 'black'. Your country was founded on slave labour and I don't think America really acknowledges that or what is caused. Generational trauma is a known thing, simply saying you are free and here is a school does not magically fix this nor does it fix the general mindset of the dominant people group-in the case of the US this is European or 'white.'
The world is not just the US, we don't all look through your US lense.

It's odd that you don't seem to acknowledge race, yet will acknowledge what is commonly referred to as traits of systemic/institutional racism in America and accept that it is a thing

Isn't Australia possessing of some of its own issues in regards to a white majority population in relation to the Aborigines there? Heck, I might be misusing the word, similar to how I learned recently how Eskimo is a slur of sorts against the Inuit and related peoples. Is it impossible that black people in Australia have a similar issue in their cultural experience, especially if they can trace ancestry back to the Aborigines?

 

[Ken-1122]

Pretty sure I brought into question the sound methodology to begin with, your limited sample size and superfluous questions about gender when making the control about race would've sufficed. Maybe there's already a study similar to your "study" that exists and that could be utilized to show some point?

That’s not an interpretation! Care to try again?

In 2019, minorities say there are more entertainment roles available to the underrepresented | YouGov

Hollywood Has A Major Diversity Problem, USC Study Finds

2nd study is a bit dated, but still relevant, only about 4 years old

Can you present something that specifically speaks of black people in entertainment? (the topic at hand) Rather than something that lumps in asian, LGBQ, brown people and others who are obviously under represented into the mix?

No, I don't agree with your dismissive attitude towards a manifold problem, which is not just potentially what we could agree on, class based shrinking middle class discrimination, but also systemic racism that enables the former.

Systemic racism? Can you give an example of systemic racism that goes on today?

They may not think you have enough money, we don't automatically know why, people's biases against people of color as white people are not going to be one size fits all, I never said that.

Trust me; someone who has done a background check on me that confirms my income, equity, and other such financial details, will have no reason to question whether or not I have enough money

Sociologists thoroughly disagree, you're engaging in hasty generalization to try and fit your preconceptions that are overly biased towards the idea that we can just change such things like we change a brand of toilet paper.

I’m just asking you what is preventing me from adopting another culture; a question you have yet to answer

A culture that you appropriate is not the culture you were born into, because it's not the one you were raised in. And acculturation is a distinct phenomenon because it applies to immigrants from other cultures. If you had any intellectual honesty, you wouldn't try to dismiss and equivocate terms that with even a cursory internet search, would show the distinctions made, and instead would consider that sociology is far more complicated than you apparently want to reduce it to.

Taking a culture's dress and using it as someone in a dominant culture is not the same as doing so through cultural exchange or even acculturation.

First of all, I’m not a part of a dominant culture, but even if I were, what difference would it make?

I can't be certain if Japanese people would approve of me wearing more traditional Japanese garb if I immigrated there, it's a different culture that's more homogeneous in nature, so the idea of integration you talk about is not always cut and dry

Are you under the impression that someone else’s approval/permission is required in order for me to adopt another culture? You jokin’ right???

 

[Ken-1122]

I gave examples above. Ethnic group, cultural group, people group. The actual name of the persons country-eg Polish, Korean etc.

White is not a race or a skin colour anyway, nobody has white skin except perhaps someone with albinism. I've met plenty of pale people and most of those were European but many were Asian. (we have a much larger Asian population here in Australia than African) The same way darker skin does not always make someone 'black', we have plenty of dark skinned Asians here as well.

I see you are not from the USA. I was referring to terms as used in the United States. A lot of people in my country are very ignorant about geography outside of our borders. From what I was told, in Europe, if you describe a person as "Asian" they will assume you mean "middle eastern asian' like Iraq, Iran, turkey, etc. In the US if you refer to someone as asian, they assume far east asia like Japan, Vietnam, Laos, etc. I've met lots of people in my country are unaware that the middle east is a part of Asia. So consider the scenario;
Someone robs a store. After getting a description of the guy, the police puts out an APB on the guy. If you describe the guy as (for example) 6' tall, short hair and from Turkey, half the people are not going to know what a person from Turkey even looks like! So it is easier to just describe the person in a way that most people can understand; black, white, brown, asian.

 

[Ken-1122]

I think what that is, is an American problem, not a 'black' problem.

It’s actually more of a black american problem.

The issue was created by the slave trade, the slaves just happened to be 'black'. Your country was founded on slave labour and I don't think America really acknowledges that or what is caused.

Actually we do acknowledge it. You’d probably be surprised how often race and racism is discussed in this country.

Generational trauma is a known thing, simply saying you are free and here is a school does not magically fix this nor does it fix the general mindset of the dominant people group-in the case of the US this is European or 'white.'

To say you are free, here is a school, here are your citizenship rights, and here is your equal opportunity, should magically fix the problem because though we are a product of our past, we should not be a prisoner of it; if we are that’s our fault, and all the government programs in the world is not gonna fix it.