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Donald's Fourth of July message

Discussion in 'American Politics' started by TLK Valentine, Jul 4, 2020.

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  1. FireDragon76

    FireDragon76 contemplative humanist Supporter

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    Apparently, I need to make a clarification, as NPR's description of the situation is oversimplified: the Sioux claim the land but the Federal government in the past tried to force them to accept a settlement in compensation for their land being appropriated unlawfully in the late 19th century (the Sioux are disinterested in money for the land they consider sacred and religious in nature). Obama tried to reopen negotiations with the Oglalla Sioux during his presidency, but the Federal government is back to its old policies of trying to force the Sioux to settle after Trump was elected.

    A U.N. commission on aboriginal peoples has recommended that the land be returned to the Sioux people. So it seems to me its clear the land is actually part of the Sioux nation but since Native Americans are US citizens and not stateless people, it is really a question of tribal sovereignty and jurisdiction more than the notion that the land is "private".
     
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  2. camille70

    camille70 Newbie Supporter

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    Remind me of a video I watched earlier. It mentioned fear also.

     
  3. Nithavela

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    The left doesn't want those, or they would have supported Sanders.

    The left just wants to beat Trump. They offer nothing new, just more of the same, but slightly less evil.
     
  4. Nithavela

    Nithavela The reasoning for the seasoning

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    Nah, still Mussolini.
     
  5. Ana the Ist

    Ana the Ist Aggressively serene!

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    I'm simply pointing out there's more than one way to deface a monument.


    Wikipedia probably isn't the best source.



    Good dodge.


    I find that doubtful.

    Opinion.

    He has an army?


    Silence is violence....I've heard.
     
  6. Ana the Ist

    Ana the Ist Aggressively serene!

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    You mean other than the fact that taxing people according to race would be illegal?
     
  7. Ana the Ist

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    Yeah people tend not to understand the complexity of the issue.

    I think it's about 90% of tribal land that's in trust in perpetuity and 10% that's privately owned.

    The downside to the trust is that since they don't own it, it's not very profitable.

    The downside to private ownership is, of course, that it can be sold which tends to end in the dissolution of tribal land.
     
  8. Ana the Ist

    Ana the Ist Aggressively serene!

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    There's actually no aspect of fascism exclusive to fascism. That's part of what makes it tricky to define.

    If you can tell me the difference between the nazi uprising and the October revolution other than the words they used...I'm all ears.
     
  9. FireDragon76

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    Political ideology. Nazis were a right wing movement drawing on traditional German culturally imagery, whereas the October revolution was a left wing revolution meant to overthrow the old order in Tsarist Russia and establish a socialist state.

    BTW, I don't think they can be morally equivocated. The Tsarist regime was oppressive and built upon superstitions, what many socialists in Russia wanted varied between a democratic, progerssive society, all the way to the authoritarian structure of the Bolsheviks. So it's hard to portray the October Revolution as inherently evil.
     
  10. FireDragon76

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    I guess it doesn't make for good sounds bites to just say it's disputed land.
     
  11. FireDragon76

    FireDragon76 contemplative humanist Supporter

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    Rev. Schenk is somebody I have been following ever since I saw the film "Armor of Light".

    Also, having Dietrich Bonhoeffer as an inspiration is wonderful. A truly insightful man who had a prophetic insight into the problems of the modern world, and also a brilliant theologian who paved the way for a great deal of modern post-liberal theology. More Christians should really listen to him, and not merely idolize him.

    Reading and "discipling" with Bonhoeffer really did lead my Christianity in a radical direction and eventually towards confronting the established Christianity I found myself in. So it can be a dangerous choice. But there is no substitute for the pursuit of truth.
     
  12. Ana the Ist

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    Well let's just start with similarities....

    They're both...

    Popular uprisings.
    Scapegoating members of society.
    Propaganda heavy.
    Cult of personality around central figures.
    Deliberately silenced dissenters with violence.
    Intended to create socialist economies.
    Deliberately slaughtered members of society.
    Authoritarian dictatorships.

    Differences...

    I suppose that one is a bottom-up power grab while the other is top-down. Fascism still allowed for some autonomy of private businesses while communism mostly slaughters those running a successful private business. Ummmm...

    I suppose this is less fair but probably worth mentioning....since fascism tends toward acquiring more land for farming and communism basically annihilates the economy....you get a staggering amount of starvation and poverty under communism.

    "People who eat one other because of the famine are not cannibals. Cannibals are those who don't want to redistribute the church's gold to the starving."

    That's straight from a Soviet propaganda poster....you know, when they were eating their children and each other.

    We agree they are not morally equivalent.
     
  13. disciple Clint

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    Elitist attitude and the hate that goes with it
     
  14. disciple Clint

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    I would love to see your evidence for those statements.
     
  15. Larnievc

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    Isn't that a perfect description of Mr Trump, himself?
     
  16. Nithavela

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    Some things are missing.
     
  17. disciple Clint

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    you totally failed to read the post.
     
  18. Larnievc

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    No, no, I did read the rest of the post. The use of the words that I referred was what I was lampooning.

    Do you see now?
     
  19. Larnievc

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    You do realise that many, many people end up trying to get into America because they were turned away from European countries?

    When there are no other options, America is the best option.
     
  20. Larnievc

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    But hopefully he will not get a second term.
     
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