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Hezekiah the wallfacer

2 Kings 20:

1 In those days Hezekiah became sick and was at the point of death.
Hezekiah was in a grievous situation.

And Isaiah the prophet the son of Amoz came to him and said to him, “Thus says the Lord, ‘Set your house in order, for you shall die; you shall not recover.’”
The situation just got graver. As Isaiah was leaving him,

2 Hezekiah turned his face to the wall and prayed to the Lord, saying,
Why face the wall?

He turned away from Isaiah, a messenger of bad news. He turned away from worldly distractions around him and focused on God alone. It was just between him and God. God had Hezekiah's 100% attention.

3“Now, O Lord, please remember how I have walked before you in faithfulness and with a whole heart, and have done what is good in your sight.” And Hezekiah wept bitterly.
God listened to him.

4 And before Isaiah had gone out of the middle court, the word of the Lord came to him: 5 “Turn back, and say to Hezekiah the leader of my people, Thus says the Lord, the God of David your father: I have heard your prayer; I have seen your tears. Behold, I will heal you.”
There were a few twists and turns in this episode. Isaiah delivered the bad news to Hezekiah's face. Hezekiah turned his back on the prophet to pray to God. Isaiah turned his back on Hezekiah to leave. God spoke to Isaiah. He turned around to walk back to Hezekiah. The humble king turned away from the wall to hear good news this time.

Interestingly, Zen Buddhists regularly practice facing the wall (面壁) to meditate. Legend says Bodhidharma meditated facing a wall for nine years at Shaolin Monastery.

Why did Hezekiah face the wall to pray?

It was a posture of intense focus and privacy.

A God and a Country of Second Chances

Politics always makes for interesting discussions. As such, it wasn’t much of a surprise that the political goings on in our country became the topic of discussion at my weekly men’s breakfast group.

Everyone agreed that this political election season seems to bring out the worst in our candidates. More and more elections seem to be about personality and less about policy. It seems to be a contest of who can be the most clever name caller.

At the same time this country appears to be in dire straits with the acceptance and promotion by many of abortion, transgender and LBGQT rights, and the DEI agenda infiltrating schools, the workplace, and the military. As one of my buddies commented, “it’s gone to hell in handbasket.” The negatives appear overwhelming.

A couple of us called ‘time out” and suggested we turn our attention for a moment to what’s great about this country to offset the negativity in the room. If there is any hope for the future it will have to depend on what is good about our nation.

It was gratifying how quickly the responses came out on what makes the USA great. In many respects it reflected a litany of the Bill of Rights – freedom of speech and religion, freedom of assembly, etc. Comments also reflected the classical underpinning of the Declaration of Independence – the right to life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness.

A country of second chances


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Unmixing our motives

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Unmixing Our Motives​

by Amy CarrollJanuary 3, 2014
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"Your attitude should be the same as Christ Jesus" (NIV 1984).

I'll never forget when mixed motives almost killed my true calling. Soon after accepting a leadership position in the women's ministry of my church, a friend on the team came up to me. "Oh! We forgot to tell you," she said with a grin. "You're in charge of the annual women's conference."

Despite the surprise, I loved every minute of organizing the event. But as I interacted with our guest speaker, envy began to wind itself around my heart. If it could have spoken aloud, it would have said, "I want THAT!"

I wanted her platform.

I wanted her eloquence.

I wanted her audience.

I wanted her cute outfit.

Fortunately, I recognized these "wants" as signs of covetousness rather than signs of my calling. I knew God had called me to be the women's ministry director during that season—not to speak. And each time I desired what that speaker had, it took my focus off what God had for me.

So I asked God to kill the weed of envy that was choking the life from my calling to lead women. I asked Him to purify my motives and steer my heart to the women He had called me to serve.

It's so easy for wrong motives to creep in to our hearts. You might not want to be a speaker, but maybe you're the mom who dresses her children to impress others. Or maybe you're the employee who takes charge of the room to show your boss your readiness for the next step up.

There's nothing wrong with cute children or promotions, but so many times our motives trip us up. Instead of being pure, our motives get mixed with other things that sully the outcome—emotionalism, pride, and strong personal preferences are just a few.

Several years after my prayer to remove my "speaker envy," God started whispering to me about speaking as I prayed and read the Word. My first reaction was to think, "There's that old, nasty envy again. God, purify my heart!"

But this time was different. As I unpacked my motives, I realized God had really changed my heart. He'd refined my motives to just one, and that was to obey Him.

Philippians 2:5 states our ideal position: Our one motive should be to follow Him and become more like Him. That's the motive that should supersede and reign over any others. How do we practically live that out?

I think the clue is in the following verses. "Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped, but made himself nothing, taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness" (Philippians 2:6-7, NIV 1984).

Our focus has to be on becoming nothing. Nothing is not our status or worth. We are always holy and dearly loved children of the King.

Nothing is to be our chosen position as a servant.

How does this look in everyday life? Jesus is our perfect example. He is everything: the Lord of lords and the King of kings. He is so incredibly powerful and important that Colossians 1:16 says "all things were created by him and for him" (NIV 1984). Despite His exalted position, Jesus showed the purity of His motives toward us by giving up all He had.

As I've thought about how to imitate Jesus in my motives, I ask myself two questions when making choices:

• Does this put me or others first?

• Is this a choice to be more or to be nothing?

These two questions expose any twisted motives and bring me back to my chosen position of nothing. Day by day, my motives are refined. It's a painful process sometimes, but it's a good process that ultimately produces pure motives with divine outcomes.

Lord God, You are the only One with uncontaminated motives. I confess mine are often mixed with pride, emotion, or personal opinion. Please purify my heart. Forgive me, un-mix my motives, and help me move forward with a pure heart. Amen.

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For more thoughts on cultivating a pure heart, visit Amy Carroll's blog.

Setting our hearts and minds on Christ helps purify our motives from unforgiveness. Join the Proverbs 31 Ministries team of writers in doing this through Encouragement for Today: Devotions for Everyday Living.

Reflect and Respond:​


What decisions are you making today? Are they cluttered by impure motives like unforgiveness, fear, pride, or overwhelming emotions?

Pray and ask God to show you any impure motives that might affect your decision-making, and then ask Him to remove the ones He shows you.

Power Verses:​


Psalm 51:10, "Create in me a clean heart, O God; And renew a right spirit within me." (ASV)

Matthew 5:8, "Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God." (NIV)

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IVF and infertility: Good ends do not justify all means

In a recent FOXNews article, a Southern Baptist pastor argued that pro-lifers can and should support in vitro fertilization (IVF) as a way for “parents to fulfill their God-given desire to nurture a child.” The article never addresses why most pro-lifers oppose this assisted reproductive technology, especially as currently practiced. It also doesn’t mention a resolution that was overwhelmingly passed at this year’s annual meeting of the Southern Baptist Convention, in which the denomination voted to formally oppose IVF.

That resolution was entitled “On the Ethical Realities of Reproductive Technologies and the Dignity of the Human Embryo.” In it, Southern Baptists clarified a  core conviction that “the dignity and value of every human being … necessarily includes frozen embryonic human beings.” Like many of the delegates (called “messengers”) at the convention who opposed the resolution, the author of the FOXNews article told a moving, personal story of struggling with infertility. Because of IVF, he wrote, he and his wife have five beautiful children. In his view, IVF is deeply pro-life because it brings children into the world, and it is even miraculous because it offers people who otherwise could not conceive a child a chance to do so. 

As the SBC’s  resolution  rightly described, and stories like this confirm, infertility brings “searing pain” for those who want children but cannot conceive. However, the resolution also recognizes that the real pain of infertility cannot justify all means by which children may be produced. Here the FOXNews article diverges, calling for “doing everything possible to help moms and dads pro-create — no matter their hurdles.”

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He fixed the borders of the peoples according to the number of the SONS of GOD

Just before Moses died, he wrote a song in De 28:

1 Listen, you heavens, and I will speak; hear, you earth, the words of my mouth.
Brenton Septuagint Translation:

8 When the Most High divided the nations, when he separated the sons of Adam, he set the bounds of the nations according to the number of the angels of God.
LXX was written in the 3rd century BCE. This aligned with ancient Near Eastern understandings of a divine council, where God assigned authority over nations to these spiritual beings.

English Standard Version:

When the Most High gave to the nations their inheritance, when he divided mankind, he fixed the borders of the peoples according to the number of the sons of God.
ESV used the DSS. The manuscript was dated from the 2nd century BCE. The sons of God were angelic beings. Similar to LXX, each nation was backed up by some angelic beings.

New International Version:

When the Most High gave the nations their inheritance, when he divided all mankind, he set up boundaries for the peoples according to the number of the sons of Israel.
NIV stuck to MT. Masoretic Text was compiled in the 7th CE. This interpretation suggested that the boundaries of the nations were set with consideration for the descendants of Israel. This view emphasized God's special relationship with Israel and His plan for them among the nations.

9 But the LORD’s portion is his people, Jacob his allotted heritage.
Taking two verses together, all three variants/translations highlighted God's sovereignty over the nations and His unique relationship with Israel.
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Burn Me To The Ground_ Few Left Standing

I disagree. Firstly, music qua music has no angelic or demonic qualities. It simply expresses what we intend. And those expressions are no more than conceptions/emotions we place on a series of notes. Secondly, metal as a genre of music is honest and straightforward. The demonic, by contrast, lies and acts like it is good when it isn't. Take a nice, jolly tune as background for a horrendous story, and that is much closer to expressing the demonic, imo.
Just replying to Michie with honesty.
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He Gets Us campaign

That's God's problem, not ours, and he will judge us accordingly.

The only thing I think was hard for God was in having Jesus Christ come among us for everything to restore us who were fallen and lost. I am not sure what the purpose of the argument with me is. I wasn't wrong, and I haven't been saying you are wrong. Those not in Christ will be judged, believers, who are in Christ, do not bear judgment from God that Christ did bear for us, but there are consequences still that result, sins are what we should turn from, repentance being real, and believers can be wrong, often they are, saying what they do about what is true, those things should be corrected, God can do so, God may use any from among us in that, or just use other ways. Some things remain that we will not learn in this life that we must come to know afterward, but knowing to be restored to God through Christ is definitely a thing for us to know in this life, and we should know that, and we can tell others. It is not wrong to do so.
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Open my eyes, Holy Spirit.

Open my eyes, open my heart and unstop the ear to the Kingdom of God in your way, all your ways, all your gifts in all your time in this, our thanksgiving, oh Holy Ghost.
, , help all our cares fade while Your presence draws near in full assurance - this is the true grace of God!
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Politifact fact checks Kamala Harris

However, no, I'm not surprised most everyone has Trump on the brain. Maybe I'll be surprised if most everyone still has Trump on the brain 20 years from now. Maybe.
We can only hope he'll be nothing more than a negative footnote in our history.

-- A2SG, or, at best, a cautionary tale for generations to come....
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Burning Money

It's pretty clear I was commenting on the position in the text you posted. I have no idea what your overall position on science is. I will start giving assuming the favorable position, but you can argue your way out of that.

I was talking about how atheists behave and argue. I have no idea who or what you are.

See, this is exactly what I was talking about. You are clearly making assumptions about us based on our non-belief. I suggest you forget what you experience on other forums. As you note the place has standards.

I'd rather you didn't evaluate your position on what people post based on their religion or lack of religion. Either way I am a non-believer and this isn't going to change.

My "belief system" has not come into this thread or my posts yet.

No such discussion has been part of our conversation. I haven't paid much attention to the other posts.

This is exactly what I was talking about. None of these "tactics" (if they are being used" are unique to atheists. Christians use them plenty as well. Nothing discussed in this thread relative to the OP is tied to religion and there is no need to make it so.

This is why I don't want you forget I am not a Christian. Your Christian aphorisms are meaningless to me.

Poor reading. I didn't accuse you of that. I said the text in your post had an anti-science position or bias.

Your satan reference meant so little to me that I ignored it when making my first post. It was only after you accused me of using "atheist tactics" that I noticed it when reexamining the OP and my response to it.

That's a very odd question. Science is a method for ascertaining the nature of things. It is not a supernatural being.

I don't know who these people are and I have little tolerance for them.

No. The only thing I have taken offense at is the "atheist tactics" nonsense.

No I do not need any "quote mines". I am well aware of what goes on in science. Far more so than you will ascertain from your quote mines.

I am not interested in such responses.

To clarify, I have not posted about your posted material on SETI or ecological repairs, only on exoplanetary science.

No thank you.

I have yet to assess that as I only have this thread to go by.

No, not "all the other athests". What part of it being my personal story did you not notice?

I don't care. (But, hey, at least you weren't accusing me of being a physicalist/materialist/naturalist as if it were a bad thing as some have on this very sub-forum. Don't ask, it's not something I'd like to discuss.)

In this thread, people who think it is burning money to do science, like the source of your OP.

I don't go to any others. And to state one last time, being an atheist had nothing to do with my original post responding to your OP.
Thank you. :)
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Romans 13.. were the founders in error in rebelling?

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Well who says they were believers, for an example John Adams
Adams was raised in the Congregational church. In Quincy, the Unitarian faction was dominant and included Adams and his father. It was a new force in the colonies and denied the Trinity and the divinity of Jesus Christ.
The OP didn't say that the governments were/are believers. Indeed the opposite was implied, as mention was made of the current government at the time Romans was written was the Roman emperor Nero.
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Sleep problems

I'm not sure where this question should go. It's not really a prayer but more of advice.

So I have struggled with falling asleep. It's always taken a long time to fall asleep. I usually go to bed to try get 7 hours of sleep. It's currently nearly 1 am and can't sleepand I have to be up at 6am. I have tried things like Unisom but it doesn't really help. I always end up feeling like I have a sleeping pill hang over the next day.

Now I'm sure alot of people would get less sleep one night and then have an easy time falling asleep the next night. Not me. It doesn't matter how much or how little I get. I'm always in bed laying awake. I tend to get frustrated alot also. I have to go many days before I'm tired enough to fall asleep even relatively soon.

When I finally do fall asleep I don't stay asleep. I have lots of waking up. Now I did get tested for sleep apnea. The said my apneas were minor. I forget the term they used for me waking up without suffocating. This they said I would need medicine for which is more sleeping pills.

Another problem I have is waking up in the morning and driving to work and trying not to fall asleep at the wheel. I have to go to work and can't really afford to call in every chance I don't sleep well. I'm single and don't have any roommates or really really) have many friends to drive me. It's also to a different city.

I guess this turned into a bit of prayer request because after going day after day sleep deprived I tend to wonder why in the world God would make me deal with this. Unfortunately it's also not really in me to just read the Bible during these times. I just can't focus on much anything other than just getting through things. I don't really think God will be upset for trying to sleep.

If I could have some prayer and advice I would appreciate it.
Praying now! Lord God I lift up Eishiba to You right now and I pray for Your intervention in his current situation and that You would deliver him completely Lord of insomnia, I pray for a restful night sleep every night and that he would also stay asleep and not wake up during the night!

Something you might want to try, I have found a supplement called Sulphorophane, it is a substance contained in broccoli, I have been taking it and it makes you drowsy, it will totally knock me out within like 45 minutes of taking it, it is harmless, just something found in broccoli. You can find it on amazon. I also take melatonin and that will also knock me out.
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Harris-led office, ATF stonewalling probe into 'collusion' with anti-gun group lawsuit: House Oversight chair

Wrong. They are trained to stop the threat. I took classes on this subject. They shoot for center mass because they are more likely to hit the target, and that is where the transference of stopping power has the greatest effect, not to aim for vital organs
Simply hitting the target isn't enough. When you aim center mass, you are literally aiming for the assailant's heart, lungs, and aorta. You are not hoping to wound the assailant; you are hoping to render him incapacitated as quickly as possible, and this is done by hitting vital organs. If you are firing at an assailant and missing vital organs, they will likely remain a threat until you do.

What you just described is stopping; and there are legal consequences to continue firing once the threat is stopped. If the threat is stopped with a single shot; then a single shot is sufficient.
What are you going to do—fire a single shot and assess the situation? That's a good way to get killed. If you ever find yourself in a situation where you are justified to fire a gun once at an assailant, then you are justified to continue shooting until that assailant is down and incapacitated, even if that means you fire until you run out of rounds.

Medical Doctors are neither LEOs nor attorneys.
The purpose of including excerpts from that publication was to show why law enforcement officers are trained to fire multiple rounds at center mass when confronting an assailant and the dangers of not doing so.
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Religion vs Relationship

Religion is based in the teachings of man,
In forms and traditions in which they now stand.
Their customs, their idols, are what they now serve,
And from their procedures they barely will swerve.

The writings of man are the bibles they read,
While God’s word, the Scriptures, they rarely will heed.
For men tell nice stories that make them feel good.
They don’t tell the people the things that they should.

Religion leads one to feel good about self,
While sacrifice to the Lord – put on the shelf.
Commitment to Christ as Lord, not in the plan:
“Go through the motions, forget the ‘I AM’.”

Relationship diff’rent, now based in “The Word,”
In sacrifice of one’s life now to the Lord.
All because Jesus, His life up for us gave,
Our sins are forgiven, from sin we’re now saved.

Believing in Jesus, die with Him to sin,
Our new lives in Jesus now surely begin.
His Spirit now comes to live inside our hearts,
Now from our Lord Jesus, we do not depart.

We want to walk daily in fellowship with Him,
We want to obey Him and turn from our sin.
We want to walk with Him wherever He leads.
We want that now, on His Word, we’d surely feed.
We want that now, Christ our Lord, is all we need.

An Original Work / April 24, 2022

You Loved Me

This song was a collaboration between Tosin Iyawo Ogaga and myself back in December of 2019. We did another one in May of that same year called, "It’s All You." I thoroughly enjoyed these collaborations with Tosin. She and I shared the vocals on this second song that we did together.

You Loved Me

An Original Work / December 3, 2019
A song based off the poem by the same name @ Original Works
Music and lyrics by Sue Love @ Original Works & Tosin Iyawo Ogaga
Vocals by Tosin Iyawo Ogaga & Sue Love


When I was lonely and afflicted,
You were there to pick me up.
You took me in Your arms,
And You held me tenderly.

Your love embraced me.
Your grace sustained me.

When my heart cried out to You
In my fear and my despair,
You never turned away,
But You let me know You loved me.

Your grace forgave me.
You did not shame me.

Then, when I answered the call,
“Here, Lord, send me.”
You sent me to where I must be.
Your mercy held me, did not fail me.
All this, You had planned, to use me.

And, when all trials and scorn
Came to test me.
You gave me all that I would need.
You strengthened me so I’d not fail You.
Your kindness blessed me, it touched me.

And, when I needed the church
To lift up me,
To hearten me so I’d not fail,
You blessed me with folks who would love me.
Their presence with me, Your praise hailed!

And, when I walked through the valley
Of the shadow of the death,
And tears flowed from my eyes,
Still Your kindness was there for me.

Your touch, it healed me.
For I believed You.

When now I think about the ways,
Of the many, many ways
That You in Your great love
Show me that You’ll always care for me,

My heart, it thanks You,
And gladness fills me, fills me.

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Run to the Battle by Steve Camp

I am glad that you like Steve Camp's music. Back in the 80s and 90s, his lyrics were often considered to be the conscience of Christian music.
Thank you. His music is really good, and all of the songs shared so far seem Biblical and God-focused or mission focused, as Christian music should be. Also, I still have to release that Spiritual Warfare devotional, but I have been lazy doing devotionals, cos I had to get Star Trek DS9 done over the past 1.5 weeks or so (just finished yesterday), and now I am a bit lazy and have to find some OT and NT verses about safe travels next for a safe travels devotional. Exodus seems like a good place to start. Got a queue of devotionals lined up, but nothing written for them or started yet.

Pray that I do not become lazy on making those devotionals, cos I do have to get that spiritual warfare one out soon. Also, the science, current events/news and political threads are distracting me from making any posts in the scriptures thread, cos those are fascinating to me. Looks like the only way for me to not get distracted by the news is for me to post less in the news ones over the next week or so.
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Misconceptions- Ace Troubleshooter

Day after day after day you live in your misconceptions
Cause our actions don't speak as loud as our words
It hurts, my friend
Can I help you understand?
Can I please help you understand?

It's not bred out of fear, it's sprung out of love
It's what we've been in search of
Now spring clear of all the lies
And sever all the ties with tangled webs of futile thinking
Now spring clear of all half-truths
Cuz the burden of proof doesn't rest on an institution

Yeah I can see all the hurt and the misery resulting
From the fact that Christians are the biggest sinners of them all
But please don't fall
Don't let all who come in Christ's name fool you
Don't you dare, oh don't you dare

It's not bred out of pride, a trophy on the shelf
I can't save you, I can't even save myself

If while we've been on our knees our eyes have been closed
To all the pain and suffering I cry out"God forgive us!

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Threshing Floor by Steve Camp

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Beat it out on the threshing floor
Beat it out on the threshing floor
Beat it out on the threshing floor
Beat it out on the threshing floor
Beat it out on the threshing floor

Separate the wheat from the chaff
On the threshing floor
And set aside the first fruits for your pleasure
From the valley of decision
Light the way to heaven's door
And bring it to the storehouse with my treasure

When the Master comes with His winnowing fan
To finish the work of refinin'
He's shaping the heart of a righteous man
You got to...

Beat it out on the threshing floor
Beat it out on the threshing floor
Beat it out on the threshing floor
Beat it out on the threshing floor

I said, separate the truth
From the lie on the temple site
And bring my risky secrets into the open
The vats are overflowing
And the harvest is ripe
But the husk around my heart remains unbroken
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When the Master comes with His winnowing fan
To finish the work of refinin'
I said, He's shaping the heart of a righteous man
He will...

Beat it out on the threshing floor
(Oh, beat it out, Lord)
Beat it out on the threshing floor
Beat it out on the threshing floor
Beat it out on the threshing floor

The wheels of His sled are sharp and clean
I feel the weight of His stone as it's breaking me
He's shaking me down to a handful of grain
And I know by His Spirit that my loss is my gain

When the Master comes with His winnowing fan
To finish the work of refinin'
I said, He's shaping the heart of a righteous man
He's gonna

Beat it out
Oh, He's gonna beat it out
The Lord will beat it out
We're here to beat it out
Beat it out on the threshing floor
(Oh, beat it out)
Beat it out on the threshing floor
(My Lord is shakin' me down)
Beat it out on the threshing floor
(He's shakin' me down)
Beat it out on the threshing floor
(To a handful of grief)

Where nothing remains
Oh, nothing remains today
He's shakin' me down
Separate it, separate it all, ow!
Threshing floor
Thresh it out, work it out
Beat it out, beat it out
Beat it on the threshing floor
Beat it on down, beat it on down
Beat it on down, beat it on
On the threshing floor...

Trump Ceases Courting the Pro-Life Vote. Now onto Courting the Less Deathy Vote.

Jim Rickards predicts marshall law and civil war possible.
He believes Trump will win but the Democrats may not accept it.
Chaos in the streets and a big mess economically.

I may want to pack my bags and move somewhere. :scratch:
Problem is, where you gonna go? The rest of the world still depends on a stable America, even as bad as we currently are. We fall, and the rest of the globe is also likely to suffer some sort of repercussions....and you may find yourself in a foreign country where things are worse than they'd be right here. :(
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Fire and Ice by Steve Camp

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I was messing around with the things of the old life
I didn't think it would hurt; just a little seemed all right
But the wages of sin, its like a cancer within
It crippled my faith until I was hard against himâ?¦
Now I know thatâ?¦.
Fire and Ice, darkness and light
Can never live together
Its day or its night
Its wrong or its right
Its one way or the other
With my life
Television will tell you that doing it feels good to you
But I found out the hard way that what they're saying isn't true
But the fact still remains; truth doesn't change
The word of God is alive to show us the way
And it says that
But the fact still remains; truth doesn't change
The word of God is alive to show us the way
And it says that
Fire and Ice, darkness and light
Can never live together
Its day or its night
Its wrong or its right
Its one way or the other
It's Fire and Ice

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