tonychanyt said:

When will the old covenant disappear?

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When there is a new heaven and a new earth. The law of Moses is still a testimony for God.

2 Corinthians 13:1
This verse states, "Every matter must be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses".

Deuteronomy 17:6
At the mouth of two witnesses, or three witnesses

rambot said:

No. It did not work before; not "supposedly" anything. But that doesn't mean he (or his team) wouldn't try to do it again.

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Then what you're claiming isn't based on anything substantial. It's just what you're afraid might happen.

rambot said:

We will see.

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It was your claim. Why should we have to wait for you to tell us what it is?

Never heard of it.

tampasteve said:

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This thread had a minor cleaning. Please note the following rule that applies in this sub-forum, even to Catholics:

Active promotion of views contrary to the established teachings of this group (which includes Sedevacantism and the beliefs of the Society of St. Pius X) will be considered off topic. Sedevacantism and Society of St. Pius X beliefs and contrary established orthodox teachings may be discussed in Christian History or discussed and debated in Denominational Specific Theology.

The office the Papacy will always be respected. As far as the person holding the office even when we disagree on matters of Prudential judgement there will be no flaming, name calling, or implications that he is not the Pope.

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Thank you. I should have read the rules.

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Beautiful picture

You should be commended for sharing your experiences in a desire to help others.

While possibly aggravated by physiology and nutrition, OCD can weave a complicated relationship between anxieties and behaviors that are constructed to give a sense of control from which a reduction of anxiety might be obtained. Being able to reduce the source of anxieties is to be encouraged as it addresses the source. Devising and altering control strategies do not seem to last in their effectiveness as they do not address the source.

Lord have mercy!

hislegacy said:

That's funny - mainly because I think you really believe it.

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Rather than be silly like this, you could ask specific questions if there is something your not entirely clear about on what I said and how it ties to your questions. If I know where you are struggling to understand, perhaps I could try and clear that up.

But from this post you made, I have no idea why you can't understand my post.

Diamond72 said:

Sure! Acts 3:19 says, "Repent, then, and turn to God, so that your sins may be wiped out, that times of refreshing may come from the Lord." This highlights the importance of repentance in the process of salvation.

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And who is Luke , who wrote Acts , SPEAKING TOO ??

#1 Was the context those under the OLD COVENANT , meaning Jews ??

#2 Or was Luke speaking to those under the NEW COCNEAT , meaning Jews and many believe that it can be Gentiles ALSO !!

# 3 Or was the Context , those under the MILLENNIAL KINGDOM ??

# 4 Or to those under the DISPENSATION of God ??

# 5 Was to those in the GREAT TRIBULATION ?

Give a verse if you have one if you can ?

dan p

Bridgeman Images

We are made in the image of God. This is the central anthropological claim of the Judeo-Christian tradition. But its familiarity can sometimes keep us from contemplating its meaning and applying it to our lives. The image of God that we are presented with in Genesis 1 has a great deal to teach us about ourselves and how we should actively image God. In other words, contemplating the image of God according to Genesis 1:26-2:3 can disclose what it means to be made in that image, according to Genesis 1:27.

Let’s consider how our manner of giving our attention, of being present to things — objects, people, ideas and tasks — can conform to the image of God according to Genesis 1 or depart from that image according to the logic of the Fall in Genesis 3. These texts have a great deal to tell us about acting and being fully human in an era where digital distractions vie for our attention.

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Well, his Arnold Palmer blovating was certainly worse. Or his claims that windmills cause cancer. Or his idea that we should inject ourselves with disinfectant, or his claim that he actually won in 2020, or his claim that veterans are suckers and losers, or... (very long list).

One does what one can with what one has; I get that. It's just that there's so much stuff Trump has embarrassed his supporters with.

Harris repeating what she would do about the problems interviewers asked, doesn't com close, does it?

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Yeah, I'll give you that first point. He says a lot of better-left-unsaid stream of consciousness thoughts; he always has. He still did a better job and had better policies than Biden-Harris, even with the mean tweets and weird statements.

We didn't have millions flooding over the border and released into the country, including thousands of criminals, per ICE. We didn't have Venezuelan gangs taking over apartment buildings in several cities.

Tongues-talking movie-mogul Tyler Perry, whose Christian values have been criticized by fans over the years, has come under scrutiny again after he was caught on videoraining fake money on a stripper at R&B singer Usher’s Past Present Future Tour in Atlanta, Georgia, on Sunday.

Gospel music star Kirk Franklin, who has also been criticized for presenting as too secular by some Christians, was also recorded performing at the concert held at State Farm Arena.

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85 people accused of blasphemy murdered before cases heard in court

LAHORE, Pakistan — A coalition of 17 international human rights organizations is demanding Pakistan be suspended from the Commonwealth of Nations due its blasphemy laws and other rights violations, but local activists said that could result in more hardship for religious minorities.

The coalition sent an open letter to the Commonwealth Secretariat ahead of the Commonwealth Heads of Government Meeting in Samoa on Oct. 21-26, signed by groups including Human Rights Without Frontiers, Bitter Winter, the European Association for the Defense of Minorities, the Center for Studies on Freedom of Religion Belief and Conscience, the European Federation for Freedom of Belief and Jubilee Campaign.

It emphasizes how the country’s controversial blasphemy laws have been used to falsely accuse and persecute people, leading to widespread violence, extrajudicial killings and unlawful detentions. The letter argues that these actions violate the core values of the Commonwealth Charter, which promotes democracy, human rights and equality for all citizens.

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The lack of a clear atonement theory in the Bible has bothered me for a long time. It seems like the purpose of Christ's death is central to how one sees being a Christian. For instance, do I believe that he lived and died in order to have a positive influence on our moral behavior (this would make works more important), or do I believe that salvation is contractual based on faith? There are many atonement theories, and it seems like believing one over another would depend on faith in the testimony of men rather than in God.

I think I have a good case that salvation cannot be contractual in nature. In order for any kind of contract to be valid, the terms of the contract have to be explained in DETAIL. It doesn't seem to me like this was done in the New Testament. In the Old Testament, in contrast, the proper way to do sacrifices was explained in very great detail. So, I believe that if there was a contract involved in Christ's crucifixion, humanity was not one of the parties involved.

This would mean that the idea of substitutionary atonement does not really make sense. It certainly says in the New Testament that Christ died for our sins, but the exact relationship between him dying and our sins does not seem to be explained. If there were some particular phrase I had to say in order to be saved, such as, "I believe that Jesus Christ is my savior", then wouldn't it be extremely important for Jesus to talk about this in great detail?

Also, substitutionary atonement makes it sound to me like a father says to his son that he deserves to be beaten, so the father beats himself in place of his son. It is strange. Why can't the father just forgive? It also does not seem right to me that many Christians seem to believe that they can still be A*holes and get to heaven, so long as they believe in the fact that Jesus is the son of God.

It seems to me that a lot of the things that Christians argue about are pointless. I think Christians don't pay anywhere near enough attention to John 14:15 (“If you love me, you will keep my commandments”) in comparison to other Bible passages. He didn't say, "If you love me, you will espouse the correct Christology," nor "If you love me, then you will sign a supernatural contract with me recognizing me as the Son of God." It also seems to me that most of Jesus' sermons dealt with proper behavior, and very little with atonement, and very little on Christology. If I believe that Jesus chose to talk about what was important to him, then I have to believe that proper behavior was near the top of what was most important.

I have developed my own atonement theory, which I will describe below. I am not aware of having any revelation. I'm also aware that it's possible to come up with a thousand plausible explanations for any given set of facts. I think it is logical though.

It seems to me that heaven ought to have at least these two properties:
1. You have the power/freedom to do those things that you want to do
2. You are not abused by other people

These two properties come into conflict when someone wants to abuse other people. If a cruel person were let into heaven, it would not be heaven anymore. The presence of sin would break heaven.

But there is the problem that nobody is perfect. Even if you wouldn't commit murder in a million years, heaven is supposed to be eternal (longer than a million years), so even a little whiff of sin would probably cause problems eventually.

This leads one to the idea that a person cannot be in heaven unless he behaves properly. But we can't behave 100% properly. So what is there to do? It could be that submitting to Christ solves this problem. Maybe we still have freedom to do dumb stuff in heaven (according to our weakness or ignorance), but only people who are willing to be corrected can be let in, so that the bad behavior is nipped in the bud and can't propagate. Or maybe Jesus can cast some kind of magic spell on us that prevents us from having sinful thoughts, but he only does this with our permission (out of respect for our free will). This means that salvation depends on a willingness do be corrected. Honestly, I think a lot of people would not want to go to heaven in this case, because they don't want to be corrected. Or it may be that a very sinful person who was still willing to be corrected might have a hard time in heaven (at least initially) because so much of who he was would have to be cut off in order to be let in.

In this case, I imagine that Christ's crucifixion sent 2 messages. It told the current residents of heaven, "I am willing to be abused for the sake of these people," and it told humanity, "I am the perfect moral role model which you ought to submit to."

I think this submission theory solves several problems:

• Christ's crucifixion isn't arbitrary
• God isn't vindictive and blood thirsty
• Having exactly the right theology isn't very important to salvation, which would explain why God allows confusion in the Church
• Faith isn't a get-out-of-jail free card (you have to actually try to behave properly)

I think I can anticipate a counter-argument. Most protestants today believe that faith alone saves them. They have to believe in Jesus. But when one of your Earthly loved ones ask, "Do you believe me?" I don't think most of the time they mean, "Do you believe in the fact of my existence?" So, it seems silly to me that you get to heaven merely on account of believing in the incarnation and resurrection of Jesus as a fact. I think "Do you believe me?" usually means "Do you believe in the truth of my words?" As I mentioned before, most of Jesus' sermons dealt with proper behavior (or inward moral orientation). So believing in Jesus means (at least in part) believing that the way of being he described is good.

In summary, it makes sense to me personally that salvation depends on a willingness to have one's bad behavior be corrected, and on a willingness to let Jesus (on account of the fact that he is the only perfect human) be the final arbiter of what is good.

How elderly dementia patients are unwittingly fueling political campaigns

I'm sure no one is excited to read about this.
Link's tricky. You have to scroll down a bit to get to the story.

To be clear...Both sides do it.

But like most claims of both sides do it.... in terms of official complaints, one side is FAR outnumbering the other. And perhaps you can guess which.

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It is the practice for the attorney general, along with the other Cabinet secretaries and high-level political appointees of the president, to tender a resignation with effect on the Inauguration Day (January 20) of a new president. The deputy attorney general is also expected to tender a resignation, but is commonly requested to stay on [as the Acting] attorney general pending the confirmation by the Senate of the new attorney general.

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Could be a long two seconds.

Vambram said:

Also, please stop posting the falsehoods about President Trump turning his back on Americans caught in disasters.

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In early September 2020, wildfires tore through eastern Washington state, obliterating tens of millions of dollars of property, displacing hundreds of rural residents and killing a 1-year-old boy.

But then-President Donald Trump refused to act on Gov. Jay Inslee’s request for $37 million in federal disaster aid because of a bitter personal dispute with the Democratic governor, an investigation by POLITICO’s E&E News shows.

Trump sat on Inslee’s request for the final four months of his presidency, delaying recovery and leaving communities unsure about rebuilding because nobody knew if they would get federal help.

Rep. Cathy McMorris Rodgers, a Republican representing the wildfire-damaged area in Washington state, asked Trump at least twice to approve disaster aid and wrote him a desperate letter on Dec. 31, 2020, obtained by E&E News.

“People in my district need support, and I implore you to move forward in providing it to those who have been impacted by devastating wildfires,” Rodgers wrote. Her district was the only one in Washington to support Trump in the 2020 election.

Five months after Trump left office, Rodgers introduced a bill to require presidents to act on governors’ requests for disaster aid within 30 days.

President Joe Biden ultimately approved Inslee’s request two weeks after taking office — 141 days after Inslee had made it — and has given Washington $45 million.

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William1213 said:

There is more than one type of Tongues.

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See What is speaking in tongues? and follow up there

Placing this in the hands of one person is just silly. My church requires two persons to count the plate. This is limited to a small group of persons so as to limit who knows who gives and how much. The amount is given to the controller to reconcile her numbers with theirs and to book. Outflow of church funds requires the authorization of one of three designated persons, in our case the Chair of the Finance Committee, the Senior Warden, or the Junior Warden. Persons signing the checks do not write them. A check needing to be signed is accompanied by an invoice for verification. Financial statements are reviewed monthly by a Finance Committee. Funds are audited annually.

Thank you, Mr. Trump! This needs to be done ASAP!

I read that he was asking how much the pastor makes and how much his housing allowance is and noticed he is a film maker so I looked him up. He has some renown and has won some awards.

His latest project is "The Religion Business" a 7 part documentary due out either later this year or early next I think.
He seems to be going after the mega churches, their pastors and the big denomination offices.

Hopefully as he's making this he remembers there is can be a world of difference between churches. Fellowship is a huge and rich baptist church with an apparently very well paid pastor. In the little baptist church I attend, our current pastor started for free because funds were so sparse and we are currently trying to figure out how to raise enough $ to fix the air conditioning.

For every rich mega-church there are 100's if not 1000's of little churches just getting by.

May God bless him abundantly