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Israeli child accidentally breaks rare 3,500-year-old Bronze Age jug during Haifa museum visit

The fault belongs to those who made the item accessible to the child. I have children, grandchildren, and great-grandchildren. I was a child (a long time ago). Children break things. It is a given. Don't leave breakable items where they can get to them—parenting 101.
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“This is an ancient jug from the Middle Bronze Age. It is indeed rare, but we chose to present it without display cases. This choice stems from the method of the museum and its founder...

She continued, “He said that the museum is not a mausoleum, it is not a coffin, but a living and dynamic place. The museum is open, for free, to families with children.” ...

The five-year-old child pulled on the jug to peer inside, causing it to topple over and shatter into pieces, according to the BBC.

His mother grabbed the boy and quickly fled the scene after the accident. “The mother and the toddler were so scared,” Rivlin explained.

“I would like to tell them: Don’t worry, we have no claim against you. Such events are rare, but they do happen,” she tried to calm them.

“We will repair the jug and put it back in place in a process called ‘restoration.’ It's a fascinating process by our restorator, Roy Shapir, that will be captured on video. We invite the mother and the child for a corrective experience and a guided tour,” Rivlin added.

The jug was especially rare because it had been discovered almost completely intact. While many similar jugs have been found in the myriad archaeological excavations across the land of Israel, the majority of them are usually broken.

“Families should prepare the children before coming to the museum — exhibits that are not explicitly stated to allow touching, are not allowed to be touched,” Rivlin said, explaining that the museum would use a 3D printer to print clay exhibits designed especially for children to touch.

“All the senses work in children, not just the sense of sight, and they need it. We are aware of this need, and we will provide this experience.”

I don't think anyone was surprised or upset at the child. It's a bit heartwarming.

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Holy Jesus, 4 Beasts, 24 Elders Rev 4:9-11

Eternal Life of Jesus

Rev 4:9 And when those beasts give glory and honor and thanks to him that sat on the throne, who lives for ever and ever,

Rev 4:9 And when those beasts (Rev 4:4,7,8) give glory and honor and thanks to him (Jesus) that sat on the (Heavenly) throne,
The Throne: see Rev 3:1, 4:2, 5:1, 6:6, Rev 14:14, 20:11

Jesus Lives for Ever and Ever

Rev 4:9b *who (Jesus Rev 4:2,3) lives for ever and ever (Rev 1:18),

*Rev 1:18 I am he (Jesus) that lives, and was dead; and behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

Rev 4:10 The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and *worship him that lives for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying,

Rev 5:13 And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I am saying, Blessing, and honor, and glory, and power, be unto him that sits upon the throne, and *unto the Lamb for ever and ever. Rev 5:14 And the four beasts said, Amen. And the four and twenty elders fell down and worshipped *him that lives for ever and ever.

Rev 10:6 And *swore by him that lives for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:

Rev 15:7 And one of the four beasts gave unto the seven angels seven golden vials full of the wrath of God, *who lives for ever and ever.

The Twenty-Four Elders Worship Jesus (Rev 4:4 crowns)

Rev 4:10 The four and twenty elders fall before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that lives for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying,

The Elders Worship Jesus Sitting upon the Throne

Rev 4:10the four and twenty elders (responsibility with wisdom) fall down (on their bellies=worship) before him (Jesus) that sat on the (heavenly) throne,

The Four and Twenty Elders: see Rev 4:10, 5:5-8, 14, Rev 11:16,17, Rev 19:4

The Throne: see Rev 3:1, 4:2, 5:1, 6:6, Rev 14:14, 20:11

Jesus Lives for Ever and Ever

Rev 4:10b and worship (Rev 4:10; 11:16 19:4) him (Jesus) that lives for ever and ever,

For Ever and Ever: see Rev 1:18, 5:13,14, Rev 10:6, 15:7

The Elders Cast their Crowns

Rev 4:10c and cast their (golden) crowns (Rev 4:4) the throne, saying,

The Four and Twenty Elders: see Rev 4:4, 5:5-8, 14, 11:16, 19:4

The Throne: see Rev 3:21, 4:2, 5:1, Rev 6:6, 14:14, 20:11

Jesus Receives Glory, Honor, and Power

Rev 4:11 You are worthy, O Lord, to receive glory, honor, and power: for you (Jesus) have created all things, and for your pleasure in the past they came into existence by creation and now by creation.

Rev 4:11a You (Jesus) are worthy, O Lord (tittle of Jesus), to receive glory, honor, and power

Rev 1:6 And has made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

Rev 4:9 And when those beasts give glory and honor and thanks to him that sat on the throne, who lives for ever and ever,

Rev 5:12 Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honor, and glory, and blessing.

Rev 5:13 And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I say, Blessing, and honor, and glory, and power, be unto him that sits upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.

Rev 7:12 Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honor, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen.

Rev 14:7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

Rev 15:8 And the temple was filled with smoke from the glory of God, and from his power; and no man was able to enter into the temple, till the seven plagues of the seven angels were fulfilled.

Rev 19:1 And after these things I heard a great voice of many people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honor, and power, unto the Lord our God:

Rev 21:11 Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal;

Rev 21:23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.

Rev 21:24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honor into it.

Rev 21:26 And they shall bring the glory and honor of the nations into it.

Our Savior Created all Things

Rev 4:11b for you have created all things (Rev 10:6 Eph 3:9, Col 1:16), and for your pleasure they (all things) are and were created (Gen 1:1 Isa 45:7 Rev 65:17).

Our Savior Created all Things.

The Mystery of God: (Gen 1:1 Isa 45:7 Isa 65:17 John 1:1-5, 14, Eph 3:9 Col 1:15-20 Heb 1:1-3 Rev 10:6,7)

Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

Isa 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

Isa 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.

Eph 3:9 And to make all men see what the fellowship of the mystery is, which from the beginning of the world has been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

Col 1:15 Who (Jesus) is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: Col 1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist of. Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. Col 1:19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fullness dwells; Col 1:20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

Rev 10:6 And swear by him that lives for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer: Rev 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he has declared to his servants the prophets.

The Throne Set in Heaven Rev 4:1-4

Revelation Chapter 4

A Door Opens
Rev 4:1 After this I looked, and behold, a door opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me, which said, come up hither, and I will show you things which must be hereafter.

Rev 4:1a After this I (John) looked, and behold, a door (entrance Rev 3:7) was opened in heaven (Rev 11:19):

Rev 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

Eze 1:1 Now it came to pass in the thirtieth year, in the fourth month, in the fifth day of the month, as I was among the captives by the river of Chebar, that the heavens were opened, and I saw visions of God.

Rev 11:19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

Mat 28:2 And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it.

Jhn 10:1 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that enters not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbs up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.

Jhn 10:7 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.

The Voice John Hears
Rev 4:1b and the first voice (Jesus Rev 1:10) which I (John) heard was as it (voice) were of trumpet (loud and clear) talking with me;

John is in the spirit Rev 1:10,11
Voice: see Rev 1:10b, 1:12a Rev 1:18

Jesus Calls John into Heaven

Rev 4:1c which said, come up hither, (John called into heaven)

Eph 1:10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:

Rev 11:19 And the temple of God opened in heaven, and there seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there was lightning, and voices, and thundering, and an earthquake, and great hail.

Coming Future Prophecy

Rev 4:1d and I (Jesus) will show you things (itemized details) which must be hereafter (future prophecy).

Coming Future Prophecy: Rev 1:19b

Mat 26:64 Jesus says unto him, you have said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall you see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

Rev 1:19 Write the things which you have seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;

The Throne of Jesus-White Cloud Throne

Rev 4:2 And immediately I was in the spirit: and behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.

Rev 4:2a and immediately I (John) was in the spirit (without physical body):

Rev 1:10a I was in the Spirit on the Lord’s Day, and heard behind me a great voice (Jesus), as of a trumpet,

Jesus upon the Heavenly Throne

Rev 4:2b and behold, a throne was set (placed) in heaven, and one (Jesus) sat on the throne (Rev 4:2,3b Rev 5:1 Rev 14:14, Rev 20:11)

Mat 19:28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, that you which have followed me (not Judas), in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, you (eleven Apostles) also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Our Lord Sitting on the Throne
Isa 6:1,2 In the year that king Uzziah died I saw also the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up, and his train filled the temple. Isa 6:2 Above it stood the seraphim’s: each one had six wings; with twain he covered his face, with twain he covered his feet, with twain he did fly.

Dan 7:9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire. Dan 7:10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.
  • Rev 3:21 To him that overcomes will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my father in his throne.
  • Rev 4:2 And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne. Rev 4:3 And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald.
  • Rev 5:1 And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals.
  • Rev 6:6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine.
  • Rev 14:14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.
Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

The Rainbow around the Throne
Rev 4:3 And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald.

Rev 4:3a and he (Jesus) that sat (on the throne Rev 4:2b) was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone (bright with different colors Rev 1:16, Rev 21:23 Matt 17:2):

Appearance of Our Lord: Rev 1:13-16, 4:2b 7:2 Rev 19:11-16 Ezek 1:26-28

The Throne: see Rev 3:21 4:2,3, 5:1, 6:6, Rev 14:14, 20:11

The Jasper Stone (Clear {others can be Red, Green, Blue, or others)

Rev 21:23 the city had no need of the sun, nor of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.

Rev 21:11 Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal.

Rev 21:18 And the building of the wall of (built upon) it was of jasper: and the city was pure gold, like unto transparent glass.

Rev 21:19 And the foundations of the wall of the city garnished with all manner of precious stones. The first foundation was jasper; the second, sapphire; the third, a chalcedony; the fourth, an emerald.

The Sardine Stone (Red Gemstone)
Exo 28:17a you shall set in its settings of stones, four rows of stones: the first row shall be a sardius, a topaz, and a carbuncle:

Eze 28:13 You (Lucifer) have been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of your tabrets and of your pipes was prepared in you the day that you were created (by God)

The Rainbow Around the Throne

Rev 4:3b and there was a rainbow round about the throne (Rev 5:1, 6:6, 14:14, Rev 20:11), in sight like unto an emerald (green).
man of sin's bow Rev 6:2 had a bow=Rom 1:20-32 description

Gen 9:13-15 I do set my bow in the cloud, and it shall be for a token of a covenant between me and the earth. Gen 9:14 And it shall come to pass, when I bring a cloud over the earth, the bow shall be seen in the cloud:

Eze 1:28 As the appearance of the bow that is in the cloud in the day of rain, so was the appearance of the brightness round about. This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the LORD. And when I saw it, I fell upon my face, and I heard the voice of one that spoke.

The Twenty-Four Elders

Rev 4:4 And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their head’s crowns of gold.

Rev 4:4 And (1) round about *the throne were (2) four and twenty seats (thrones): and upon the seats I (John) saw four and twenty elders (responsible with wisdom) (3) sitting, (4) clothed in white (purity) raiment (garments); and they (twenty-four elders) had (5) on their head’s crowns (authority Rev 4:10) of gold (Kingship).

The Throne: see Rev 3:21 4:2,3, 5:1, 6:6, Rev 14:14, 20:11

Elders Worship: see Rev 4:10, 5:5-8, 14, 11:16, 19:4

Rev 4:10 *The four and twenty elders fall before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that lives for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying, Rev 4:11 (6) (Elders speak) You are worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honor and power: for you have created all things, and for your pleasure they are and were created.

Rev 5:5,6,8 And one of the elders says (7) (Authoritative Participation) unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, has prevailed to open the book, and to lose the seven seals thereof. Rev 5:6 And I beheld, and, lo, amid the throne and of the four beasts, and amid the elders, stood a Lamb as it was dead, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth. Rev 5:8 And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders (8) fell down before the Lamb, (9) having every one of them harps, (10) and golden vials full of odors, (11) (Association with Saints) which are the prayers of saints.
  • Rev 5:14 And the four beasts said, Amen. And the four and twenty elders fell down and worshipped him that lives for ever and ever.
  • Rev 11:16,17 And the four and twenty elders, which (12) sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God, Rev 11:17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which are, and was, and are to come; because you have taken to you your great power, and has reigned.
Rev 19:4 And the four and twenty elders and the four beasts fell down and worshipped God that sat on the throne, saying, Amen; Alleluia.

Kamala Harris picks Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz as running mate in 2024 election


No surprise there and very telling.
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By Faith

Come'on, this is not rocket-science!! God is in the business of comfort AND deliverance for those pressed on all sides to despair of life itself, or those who simply have no hope at all, as in, all those whom hope has now long since past, possibly confronting the last minutes of their lives. God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ of meekness brings to pass either one or both; compassionate intersession or merciful relief and or deliverance. Hallelujah!
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Just found out that I have a degenerative brain disease

Thank you but do most Christian's just think oh well such and such has a incurable disease so no use praying that God will heal them? I know Jesus didn't and if he never changes than he still does miracles even today
I am sorry to hear of the Dr's diagnosis but am glad you are a Christian and because of that God has the final say as to your health and future, not your body, not your Dr. but God Himself. Most all churches will pray for healing, some might even lay hands on you and pray. There are churches that as a doctrine believe divine healing is God's will and they would try to build your faith and use their faith to believe that God has healed you. Given your situation it is a path worth exploring. The best teaching of this group is from Kenneth E. Hagin, who was bedfast with a heart problem until one day he believed Mark 11:23 and got up out of bed as a teen and was healed that day. Another classic preacher on healing was the late T.L. Osborn. HIs book "Healing the Sick" is a classic. You can find it for free on the online library internet archive. Healing the sick : a living classic : Osborn, T. L. (Tommy Lee), 1923- : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive Hagin too has many books. There are of course critics of this type of teaching but usually those are people who are looking at their own experience and not the scriptures. Given your situation use such teaching to inspire your faith, and never be personally discouraged by what you see in the natural realm. I too pray that God will reveal His will to you, that you will know and have confidence in Him, that you will have strength and peace in your battle and that your victory is assured. In Jesus name,
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What Sets Your Heart on Fire?

I feel like you’re asking. Can I confide in you? Up until recently it’s been Jesus and my hobby. Jesus first. But my writing has slowed way down. Rusty. I am praying for more understanding and renewal. My age is catching up to me, Alas. I’ve said all I have to say. Life has not lost it newness though. But fresh ideas would be welcome. Nice poem, still fresh. We are homebodies, nothing much new happens. Not true. But it’s the little things. The fresh new little things.
Thank you for sharing. I understand about age. I am 74 years old. I will turn 75 at the end of this year. I am slowing down. My brain and body are both slowing down. But God still has work for me to do, and this is my calling, and so I press on and trust him for the strength and for the endurance to keep going.
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Kamala Harris hires radical pastor for "national faith engagement director" because of white supremacists.

This person was hired because the government has decided Christianity is swamped with white supremacists.



If you only need one piece of evidence the current administration is heavily wasting tax payer money and hemorrhaging money for absolutely useless and worthless government spending look no further than the fact they have an actual government position called "national faith engagement director".

This person is undoubtedly being paid well to do what exactly? Why does the government need to worry about who is a Christian and who isn't? What possible purpose could that serve our nation?

This is just yet another total waste of money and an grossly over extension of government into business that is none of theirs.
Like Harris, Waltz, AOC, Sanders, Newsom, Lightfoot and others on the Left you only have to do a bit of digging to see what they stand for. The type of people they support or endorse and appoint tells us a lot about them. Of course the devastation that comes from these radicals and their ideas such as the cities and States like California and NY is the most obvious evidence.

Basically there is a common theme from these radical progressives which is the ideology of DEI, CRT, PC, Identity Politics, Woke or whatever you want to call it. An ideology that seperates people into identity groups based on oppressor and victim narratives along sex, race, gender and a bunch of other identities newly created and sanctioned by laws, policies and the pushing of enforced norms on society.

Once you understand this, that its not about equality, inclusion, and diversity but a particular brand that sneaks in an ideological agenda within the Trojan Horse of nobel causes and Rights based protections.

The idea of White Supremcy as well as a growing list of language such as Toxic Mascullinity and other redefinitions of language through words and narratives to reconstruct society in their image and order. But not Gods and thats the important destinction. That this ideology is in direct opposition to Gods Truth and order.

Its no different to a new religious and moral order where some identities are wothy and others are not. We have seen the progression of this ideology throughout the years destroying families, parents and children. Now this breakdown is consuming all of society undermining Gods Truth and objective reality I might add.

Its a divisive and destructful ideology that further pits people against each other and will destroy our freedoms and democracy. Don't be fooled. Make no mistake this is a spiritual battle as much as a political one, even moreso.
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Did the disciples know that Jesus was God before his resurrection?

Not exactly, but they knew Jesus was the Son of God, and they were learning what that meant.

Gabriel spoke to Mary in Luke 1:


After John baptized Jesus in Matthew 3:


The disciples began to learn that Jesus was the special, unique Son of God. What does that mean?

John 3:


They learned that the Son of God would save the world.

Before Jesus resurrected Lazarus in John 11:


The Son of God shared the glory of God.

Jesus spoke to the antagonistic Jews in (NIV) John 10:


These Jews thought Jesus claimed to be God. Jesus did not say, "I am not God."


The Son of God was God. It was a divine mystery.

Jesus walked on water in Matt 14:


The disciples began to see that the Son of God was God. They did not say, "Truly you are God".

Did the disciples know that Jesus was God before his resurrection?

It was a divine mystery. Because of that, they were somewhat ambiguous about it. After the resurrection, John 20:


The apostles became increasingly assertive that Jesus was God. Jesus was a man, the Son of God, and God. It was a divine mystery.
Yeshua is God because GOD begot Him before all ages (which is also the confession of the Early Church). But logically speaking it is impossible to be the son of <a> and be <a> as well in the identity sense. But if <a> brings forth a son, the essence of both are the same; just as my children are human because I am human.

Yeshua is God/god, but in a different sense as God the Father is - otherwise God the Father would not be described as the God of Yeshua, and Yeshua Himself would never have said (John 17:3):

.. and this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent, ..​

Or Paul (1 Thess 1:9-10):

.. to serve the living and true God, and to wait for his Son from heaven ..​

The fullness of YHWH dwells in Yeshua, He created all, all authority in heaven and on earth has been given to Him ... yet He is not the same in the identity sense as God the Father. The Son cannot be the Father as well .. they are distinct. Both have proper, personal but different names .... YHWH is the Father (Isaiah 63:16, Isaiah 64:8), Yeshua is the Son.

Understanding the relationship between God the Father and the Son of God this way creates much less logical problems IMHO. Yeshua IS YHWH in the representational sense (Shaliah) ...

And still I can confess with Thomas 'Yeshua is my Lord and my God ... '
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My Heart's Desire and Prayer

“Brothers, my heart's desire and prayer to God for them is that they may be saved. For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge. For, being ignorant of the righteousness of God, and seeking to establish their own, they did not submit to God's righteousness. For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.” (Romans 10:1-4 ESV)

The ”them” being referred to here are the same as those talked about in chapter 9 of Romans. They are the Jews, the Israelites of the Old Covenant. Most all of them (the majority) still have not believed in Jesus Christ. According to “Wikipedia,” less than 2% of the Israeli population claim to be Christians and about 20% do not believe in a deity. And according to “The Times of Israel,” over half of them do not even practice traditional Jewish religion but identify as secular (non-religious). Many are atheists.

So, even 2000+ years after the birth of Christ, not many Jews have put their faith and trust in Jesus Christ as Lord and as Savior of their lives. And so this is still an issue of great concern that not many who are Jews by natural birth have believed in their Messiah (the Christ), Jesus of Nazareth. But it isn’t just the Jews we should be concerned about, for, even though in America a high percentage claim Christianity as their religion of choice, not many are literally following Jesus Christ with their lives in obedience to his commands.

So, my heart’s desire is for all people to be saved, although I know that not all people will be saved. But particularly I am concerned for all who profess the name of Jesus but who have not literally been crucified with Christ in death to sin and raised with Christ to walk in newness of life in him, and who are no longer living as slaves to sin, but who are living as slaves to God and to his righteousness. Not many are walking in obedience to the Lord in daily living in self-denial and in holy living. Many are still very fleshly and worldly.

So, in a sense, my concern parallels Paul’s concern, for he was and I am concerned for all who make professions of “zeal for God,” but who are living in ignorance of the righteousness of God in that they are seeking to establish their own version of godliness which does not submit to God’s righteousness. For many professing Christians today are making claims of faith in Jesus Christ, convinced all their sins are forgiven, and that heaven is guaranteed them when they die, but while they still live for the pleasures of the flesh.

Now, in the case of the Jews, the majority of them were trying to earn their salvation via following the Old Covenant liturgical, ceremonial, sacrificial, purification, and dietary laws and restrictions, including the requirement for circumcision. And they did not accept Jesus Christ to be their Lord and Savior, and so they had not died with him to sin and they were not living to him and to his righteousness. They were just going through the motions of religious practice, but their hearts were not surrendered to Christ as Lord.

And in the case of so many people today who claim to be Christians, many of them are believing in a gospel message which does not require that they die with Christ to sin and that they now walk in obedience to his commands in holy living. Many are teaching, in fact, that we do not have to repent of our sins and we do not have to obey God, but we are saved by giving lip service to the Lord, while nothing else is required of us. But they say that God does everything for us, but while they can continue living in sinful practices.

And even if some people are teaching the importance of repentance, often it just means a confession that they are a sinner in need of a Savior but it is not about literally dying to sin daily, by the Spirit. Or if they teach obedience to the Lord, they do not teach it as part of believing faith which is required for salvation and for eternal life with God. For they teach that we should repent and that we should obey the Lord, but they do not teach the consequences of non-obedience and of continuing in deliberate sin.

But we are not saved from our sins and on our way to heaven if we have not died with Christ to sin, and if we have not been raised with him to walk in newness of life in him, no longer to live as slaves to sin but now as slaves to God and to his righteousness. And we do not have salvation from sin and eternal life with God if we do not deny self, die to sin daily, by the Spirit, and if we do not walk in obedience to our Lord and to his commands, in practice, and if we continue in deliberate and habitual sin against our Lord Jesus.

So my deep concern is for all the “religious” of this world who think that they can follow after whatever religion or whatever version of Christianity that they want, that serves their purposes, but whose lives and hearts are not surrendered to Jesus Christ to obey his commands and to live holy lives, pleasing to the Lord, in the power of God. They are still in bondage to sin and they are walking in sin’s darkness, and so they still need to be delivered from their addictions to sin and now follow Jesus in obedience to his ways.

[Matt 7:21-23; Lu 9:23-26; John 10:27-30; Acts 26:18; Rom 2:6-8; Rom 6:1-23; Rom 8:1-14; Rom 12:1-2; 1 Co 6:9-10,19-20; 1 Co 10:1-22; 2 Co 5:10,15,21; Gal 5:16-24; Gal 6:7-8; Eph 2:8-10; Eph 4:17-32; Eph 5:3-6; Col 1:21-23; Col 3:1-17; Titus 2:11-14; 1 Jn 1:5-10; 1 Jn 2:3-6,15-17; 1 Jn 3:4-10; 1 Pet 2:24; Heb 3:1-19; Heb 4:1-13; Heb 10:23-31; Heb 12:1-2]

The Lord’s Anointed

An Original Work / December 16, 2011
Based off Isaiah 61


The Spirit of the Sov’reign Lord on me;
Anointed to preach the Good News;
Sent me to bind up the brokenhearted;
Proclaim freedom for the captives.
He sent me to preach release for pris’ners
Who are walking in sin’s darkness;
Proclaim God’s grace to all men who’ll listen;
And tell them about God’s judgments;
Comfort all who mourn;
Give crowns of beauty;
Oil of gladness and thanksgiving.

They will be called oaks of God’s righteousness,
A planting of our Savior, God,
For the display of our Lord’s splendor, and
They will rebuild God’s holy church.
God will renew them, and will restore them,
And you’ll be called priests of the Lord.
You will be ministers of our God, and
You will rejoice in salvation.
The Lord loves justice;
He is faithful to
Reward those who are seeking Him.

I delight greatly in the Lord;
My soul rejoices in my Savior, God.
He has clothed me with His salvation,
And in a robe of His righteousness.
He has given me priestly garments to wear,
As the bride of Jesus Christ.
As the garden of our Lord and Savior,
He causes us to grow in Him.
He makes righteousness,
Praise, and thanksgiving
Spring up before all the nations.

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From: Ron Hawks

"God has made everything beautiful, and He has set eternity in our hearts…Ecclesiastes 3:11.”

This can be a good time of year to consider the vastness of God's creation - and life itself. You may get a chance to stare out at the ocean horizon, or gaze into the blue sky - decorated with feathery white clouds; on a clear night you might look deeper and deeper into the myriad of stars that pepper the darkness. When you consider the huge environs in which we live, it's hard not to call out to the psalmist, "What is mankind that You are mindful of us, or human beings that you care for us?" (Psalm 8:4) More personally, you may question who you are - and how you relate to this vast universe.

"God has made everything beautiful, and He has set eternity in our hearts." (Ecclesiastes 3:11) We can't help but consider our Creator and how we fit into this massive scheme of life. We are left in awe - clearly, there is more to life that we can understand or comprehend apart from God's revelation. In Psalm 145, David worships God from this posture of awe. He declares God's greatness, and meditates upon His works and attributes - He is "gracious and compassionate, slow to anger and rich in love - that He is good to all and loving toward all He has made." He fulfills the desires of those who reverently look to Him; He opens His hand and provides; He hears their cry and saves.

This is a great time to realign yourself under the benevolent sovereignty of God - through personal, deep, and declarative worship. If God has created all things, and if He has placed you purposefully in the mix, there is no need to worry, doubt, or fear. Your anxieties profit you nothing - though they deceivingly tell you they are the flavor of responsibility. When all is stripped away - when all that is left is the very core of life - we come to a place of worship and awe. What do we have that we were not given? What can we accomplish that was not resourced and ultimately designed by God? Where can we turn for meaning, purpose, or a sense of eternity?

"Jesus is the image of the invisible God ... in Him, all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through Him and for Him." (Colossians 1:15-16) "In Him we live and move and have our being." (Acts 17:28) Take some time away from all the self-reliance and self-referencing that mark our striving lives, and consider God's goodness to you. He has and will love you with everlasting love - all He requires is your gaze, worship, and life lived in light of His truth. Relax and realign through honest and declarative worship - speak and/or sing your faith in Christ. Your soul will lighten; your faith will deepen; your life will be meaningfully renewed. Standing in Awe with you, Pastor Tom



A bird's-eye view of Hell!

(James Smith, "A Voice from Hell!" 1856)

"I beg you, father Abraham — send Lazarus to my father's house! For I have five brothers, and I want him to warn them so they don't end up in this place of torment!" Luke 16:27-28

Jesus takes off the covering from the bottomless pit — and gives us a bird's-eye view of Hell!

There is a young man there. He was rich. He was surrounded by a multitude of earthly goods. He has forfeited them all — and now he is in Hell. His doom is fixed — and fixed forever. He cannot obtain one single drop of water to cool his parched tongue!

He finds that it is now no use asking favors for himself. But he has brothers — five brothers. Can he prevent their coming to Hell? He will try. He therefore prays that Lazarus may become a missionary — and be sent on a mission of mercy to his father's house. Hear him: "I beg you, father Abraham — send Lazarus to my father's house!" Who would expect to find mercy in Hell — or pity in Hell — or prayer in Hell! But here it is!

Can earth be worse than Hell? Can professed Christians be worse than this lost soul? Shall lost souls in Hell wish to send someone to their ungodly relatives — if possible to prevent their damnation — and will you neglect your relatives? Has pity for the souls of your lost relatives no influence on you?

Is Hell only a fable?

Is eternal torment only a trifle?


How then, can you let them go to Hell without pity or concern?

Souls are perishing!

Hell is filling!

Time is flying!

Are you, can you be careless about the eternal happiness or eternal misery of the souls around you?

Where, O where is your pity for poor perishing sinners?


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Your New Life

Before Jesus left this earth to go back to heaven to be with the Father, he left a command for his disciples to follow (see Matthew 28:18-20). We, his body, are to go! We are to make disciples (followers of Christ) of all nations. We are to baptize them in the name of the Father, the Son (Jesus Christ), and the Holy Spirit. And, we are to teach them to obey all things Jesus Christ has commanded us in his word. And, he is with us always.

He also told them that when the Holy Spirit came upon them that they would be his witnesses throughout the world (See Acts 1:8). When we receive Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior of our lives, we receive his Holy Spirit within us, and we are to be Christ’s witnesses everywhere he sends us.

Not unlike with Paul, Jesus is sending us to open the eyes of the blind, “so that they may turn from darkness to light and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and a place among those who are sanctified by faith in me.” (Acts 26:16-18). We are to proclaim freedom for those captive to sin, and the light of the gospel to all who are spiritually blind. For, we are ministers of our God.

Your New Life

An Original Work / May 15, 2014
Based off the Gospels


Go and make disciples of peoples,
Teaching them to obey their Savior.
Do not fear, but go where He sends you.
Tell them all of what you have heard.

The kingdom of God now is upon you.
Come, and follow Jesus, your Lord.
He will make you fishers of man.

If the people Jesus desire,
They must die to sin and to self-life.
If they want to hold on to their lives
They will lose them forevermore.

Surely you heard that coming to Christ
Means a new life in Jesus, your Lord.
Follow Christ wherever He leads.

Love the Lord with all of your heart, and
Love your neighbors as you would yourself.
Preach the gospel to all the nations.
Do not worry what you will say.

Proclaim the freedom for all the captives.
Share the light with all who are blind.
You are ministers of our God.

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Is It Ever Appropriate to Say “God Did It” in Response to a Scientific Challenge?

If saying that God did something involves a "God of the gaps" argument, then some "God of the gaps" arguments have true conclusions.* Secular orthodoxy imposes upon us the dogma that "God of the gaps" is always a bad argument, or in other words: that "God did it" is never an acceptable response. This secular dogma needs to simply be rejected, for it is based on the premise that God either does not exist or does not do anything. More precisely, it is based on the naturalistic premise that miracles never occur (and therefore God does not or cannot perform miracles).

Your apologetics source basically says, "God did some things, but only those things that Scripture attests to." This is also unacceptable, for it results in the conclusion that God does not do anything miraculous after the final page of Scripture was written. On this view God has not done anything miraculous for at least the past 1800 years.

The answer is that God does miraculous things, and most of these things are not attested to by Scripture. When is it appropriate to conclude that God did something miraculous? Roughly speaking, when 1) there is no plausible natural explanation, and 2) there is a positive reason to believe that God would be acting.

* Note that the primary sense of a "God of the gaps" argument is an argument from ignorance for God's existence, not a mere attribution of a mysterious event to God's causality.

It's not just secular morality.... "God of the Gaps" is a bad argument for potentially theological reasons, as Dietrich Bonhoeffer pointed out. It moves God to the periphery of human life. God becomes some additional, and superfluous, fact about the world.
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Indigineous

A life long criminal, bikie gang leader, who was a NZ citizen, Dean Martin was avoided deportation by proving he was aboriginal. It is reported he found a great-grandmother who is reportedly an Tasmanian aboriginal, who married a Maori man, this has been accepted by a Tasmanian aboriginal group. This enough for him to be accorded the aboriginal only inalienable right of abode in Australia, despite any other bad character etc. He was in a relationship with Lidia Thorpe (see above). There are groups who investigate claims of aboriginal ancestry, I will fascinated if it can be confirmed, but it appears that once he had been accepted by an aboriginal group, I have no idea what proof is required.
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Fellowship Distinctions in scripture associated with being born again and being filled with The Holy Spirit (Read the rule-set before you post)

Now we come to another contention associated with this thread,.... when was The Holy Spirit given.

Let's set the stage,....


Joh 7:37 Now on the last day, the great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried out, saying, "If anyone thirsts, let him come to Me and drink.
Joh 7:38 He that believes in Me, as the Scripture has said, out of his belly will flow rivers of living water."
Joh 7:39 (But this He spoke concerning The Spirit, whom those believing in Him were about to receive; for The Holy Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.)



Notice the different colored sections that are highlighted. They believed in Jesus, but were not given The Holy Spirit yet.

The stipulation here was that Jesus needed to be glorified first for them to receive The Holy Spirit. What does this mean? Well I personally like the Cambridge Greek Testament for schools and colleges commentary on this,....

ὅτι … ἐδοξάσθη. Comp. Joh 16:7, Joh 17:1; Joh 17:5; Psa 68:18.

The Spirit, “though given in His fullness to Christ Himself (Joh 3:34), and operating through Him in His people (Joh 6:63), was not, until after Christ’s return to glory, to be given to the faithful as the Paraclete and representative of Christ for the carrying on of His work” (Meyer). Christ did not send the Paraclete until He Himself had resumed the fullness of Divinity; and the Spirit did not give Christ to be the life of the Church until Christ was perfected.



Well, is this true? Did Jesus have to go away unto The Father first before they could have The Holy Spirit? I believe John 16:7 tells the story,....


Joh 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I go, I will send him unto you.


I think it is quite obvious that the disciples, though believing, had not received The Holy Spirit until after Jesus had ascended to heaven and was glorified there.
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New Vatican Document Uses “BCE” Instead of “BC.” Wait. What?

BC and AD come from the Gregorian Calendar which is the most accurate calendar ever conceived.

Even a secular man like Neil DeGrasse Tyson recognizes who made the calendar. He says CE and BCE are non sensical and refuses to use them. I first heard CE and BCE from Jehovahs witnesses because they do not believe Jesus is God.

Secular scholastics are not very scholastic as they pass narrative off for science. Science has been reduced to fables and stories and no one notices because it is current thought that science does not include God. We all just go along and believe what so called science says, even though they have no idea what they are talking about.

So called modern science has abandoned philosophical first principles in favor of their narrative that is becoming increasingly suspect, the more you look at it.

Most people don’t look, because of ridicule and peer pressure. Serious scientist are beginning to see that Genesis is more scientific than the outlandish myth of evolution. Just look at the data rather than listening to the narrative

Let’s get back to first principles and observational science, rather than the Cliff Calvin like narrative we are subjected to today

The first thing is to not say it is no big deal to let the atheists control the narrative
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New Trump ad uses edited quote to attack nonexistent Harris immigration proposal

Even if there was a plan to grant amnesty, they would still have to meet the same eligibility requirements for Social Security as everyone else. That means working and paying into SS for at least 10 years.
My analysis is just stating facts about the impact of amnesty on social security. I do not know the potential numbers, ages, or incomes of the group that will most likely have amnesty. However, I do state some factors to consider when it comes to social security solvency.

There are lots of undocumented working in the USA for years. Could they receive benefits? "Undocumented immigrants are not “destroying” Social Security, either, as Trump suggested. Instead, there is evidence that they “actually improve Social Security’s bottom line,” AARP I do not trust AARP or the actuaries because I am uncertain how they figure the impact.

I can say that if the law granting amnesty included benefits for work already done, then they could recoup monies that were paid in the past. A smart congress might allow that exception only for ones that filed income tax returns.

I would argue too that amnesty will affect social security because it favors giving a far higher percent to those that work less. "90% of the first $1,115 of average indexed monthly earnings (AIME), plus 32% of AIME over $1,115 through $6,721, plus 15% of AIME over $6,721"

Here is an example. Suppose you get amnesty at age 50. Ok, so you work the next 15 years and make 3,000 a month. That would mean 540,000 in lifetime earnings and an average of 1285 a month because the other 20 years are counted as zeroes. The check would be 90% of the first 1115 and 32% of 170 dollars. So the high payout rate redistributes money to those who work far less in years, or who actually have less income. The new legal immigrant would get around 1075 a month, whereas the person who worked 35 years would get around 90% of the first 1115, and then 32% of roughly 23,000/12. which equals to about 1700 a month. Yes, you work 2.3 times more and get just 600 more a month. Social security is a system for redistribution because of the way benefits are calculated against those that work more years. Sadly if you worked 50 years, the top 35 years are the only ones that would count. Anyone who works fewer years drains the system because of SS formulas. The drain becomes more prominent too because they will likely be eligible for Medicaid, disability or reduced Medicare costs as well as snap or other transfer payments. Lastly, whites actually die earlier on average than Hispanics. So this again, is a drain on the system that likely is not being taken into account.

If you learn anything else about retirement, the best deal you can get unless you find a pension is to go overseas to work and gain a social security benefit from an EU or other rich Western nation. In Germany for instance just 5 years will get you something and you do not have to be a citizen.
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Fellowship Fairness and integrity

Takes me back on God's Past faithfulness in my life working in my profession and today walking by faith not by sight trusting more fasting, praying, doing ministry in how Jesus Christ is the only God giving me liberty

Exodus 20:3 KJV
'Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
giving me liberty.


Liberty- Fairness and integrity Civil liberty, is on exemption from the arbitrary will of others, which exemption is second by established laws, which restrain every man from injuring, & controlling another.

Ecclesiastes 3:1 KJV
'To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven: '


My Respond:

God has blessed me to obtain the fullness of God in season, time, every purpose under heaven. Giving me the ability to prove & reprove.

Published and Word spoken by Reginald Taylor Jr

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